Gustavo Badell passed away ..... 07-12-23

[affeman]

Interesting that Milos appears in a 'tribute' video, when it was his diuretics that appear to have reduced the guys lifespan

That's a pretty bold statement dude, do you have any evidence to back your claim...?

[MAXX]

Tons of bbs has been dropping dead past 10 years... Majority not with Milos involvement just common factor huge amounts of bb drugs

Trenbolone for example, was developed to pack on musclemass in short amounts of time on cattle, with no Regards to their lifespan. Bodybuilders just takes this stuff with no regards to what it really does long term to humans. Just Funny IMO...

[mphgrove]

Americans have no culture. Like Brazil it's multicultural. Just more white and less time to get intermixed. And like you said the only ones bragging about their heritage are those with European heritage. The only hope there is for European heritage in US funnily enough, are the amish/mennonites.

I don’t get your point exactly, but totally untrue to say that the only ones who say, “I am Irish” etc. in the US are of European ancestry. In my neighborhood, you hear “I am Mexican” and “I am Palestinian” ALL THE TIME. Where I stay when in Los Angeles, I hear “I am Persian” or “I am Thai” or “I am Armenian” ALL THE TIME.

The only people who don’t do this are Blacks (they don’t know if they hale from Ghana or Sierra Leone, etc.) or early ancestry English, Scotch Irish, and Germans (too long ago to give a sh-t).

[Taffin]

That's a pretty bold statement dude, do you have any evidence to back your claim...?

Nope - just that quote from the steroid board I quoted

This isn't a court BTW - so mark my comment as 'gossip' / hearsay / shit-stirring if you like

PS - I actually like Milos

[Kwon]

That's a pretty bold statement dude, do you have any evidence to back your claim...?

Heard this as well from a source back in the day

[joswift]

Nope - just that quote from the steroid board I quoted

This isn't a court BTW - so mark my comment as 'gossip' / hearsay / shit-stirring if you like

PS - I actually like Milos

Just use the word "allegedly" after everything you write for the legal experts on here

[mphgrove]

At a lot of his shows, Gustavo actually did not place very well. Maybe he went overboard at that time in an attempt to “catch up”. Here he is in hotel room at 2004 San Francisco Pro, a show he placed well in:

[m8]

R.I.P. He was one of those guys that didn't always look the most impressive standing on his own, but next to even the very top guys he'd always be a threat when near his best form.

[MCWAY]

In fairness to Milos, he gives the guys advice or advices as he calls it and they just double or triple the formula I have seen this first hand, Milos is not a bad guy, he really wants to help guys meet their potential not harm them I found his diuretic protocol to be very mild compared to others like Chad.
Even his insulin protocol isn't dangerous only when the guys double or triple up on it. Not that im a fan of insulin im not.

But these guys kill themselves, like any drug user if you double or triple your intake you will have problems you wouldn't have if you stuck with then original dose. Milos isn't a bad guy, its unfair what people pin on him.

I've never quite understood the insulin thing. Sergio Oliva, Jr. claimed his legendary father was a pioneer of such, albeit by accident. He just drank tons of soda (Coca-Cola was his reported favorite, if I'm not mistaken).

I have an article on Max(x) Charles, who claimed to do something similar. He loved to guzzle 2-liter bottles of fruit-flavored sodas like no tomorrow.

One bodybuilder, about whom I remember reading nearly bought the farm because of insulin use, was Mike Christian. He claimed he had to start scarfing down bowls of corn flakes (or frosted flakes) to keep himself from going into a diabetic coma.


And, based on what I've seen with my relatives who are diabetics, I know insulin is something with which you DO NOT PLAY. Otherwise, you'll go to be with the Lord ahead way ahead of schedule.

[MCWAY]

At a lot of his shows, Gustavo actually did not place very well. Maybe he went overboard at that time in an attempt to “catch up”. Here he is in hotel room at 2004 San Francisco Pro, a show he placed well in:

2004 was his breakout year, especially at the Olympia. Thanks to that challenge round actually being scored, Baddell leaped over Dexter Jackson to place 3rd at the O.....a feat he would duplicate in 2005. MuscleTech actually marketed him as the "2005 Olympia Challenge Round Champion", crowing about how he actually beat Ronnie Coleman in that mini-event (which, unlike 2004, did not count toward the overall placing).

[ProudVirgin69]

I've never quite understood the insulin thing. Sergio Oliva, Jr. claimed his legendary father was a pioneer of such, albeit by accident. He just drank tons of soda (Coca-Cola was his reported favorite, if I'm not mistaken).

I have an article on Max(x) Charles, who claimed to do something similar. He loved to guzzle 2-liter bottles of fruit-flavored sodas like no tomorrow.

One bodybuilder, about whom I remember reading nearly bought the farm because of insulin use, was Mike Christian. He claimed he had to start scarfing down bowls of corn flakes (or frosted flakes) to keep himself from going into a diabetic coma.


And, based on what I've seen with my relatives who are diabetics, I know insulin is something with which you DO NOT PLAY. Otherwise, you'll go to be with the Lord ahead way ahead of schedule.

If you want to get pro-level size, you need to take growth hormone at supraphysiological levels.  Growth hormone induces insulin resistance, essentially type 2 diabetes.  The insulin is essential to counter this, or else you’ll just be walking around with untreated diabetes.

[BayGBM]

Muscle Gallery

[Bevo]

Muscle Gallery

You can prob still make his funeral

[MCWAY]

If you want to get pro-level size, you need to take growth hormone at supraphysiological levels.  Growth hormone induces insulin resistance, essentially type 2 diabetes.  The insulin is essential to counter this, or else you’ll just be walking around with untreated diabetes.

Oliva (Sr.) wasn't reportedly using growth hormone in his heyday. So, did Jr. have a point about his father, using insulin to his anabolic advantage (unknowingly) by all of the simple sugars he consumed (and burned) while he trained and worked a full-time manual labor job?

[Dave D]

Oliva (Sr.) wasn't reportedly using growth hormone in his heyday. So, did Jr. have a point about his father, using insulin to his anabolic advantage (unknowingly) by all of the simple sugars he consumed (and burned) while he trained and worked a full-time manual labor job?

I thought he was a Chicago cop?

[NarcissisticDeity]

I thought he was a Chicago cop?

He was but he used to work at a meat packing plant.

[mphgrove]

Here is Gustavo 2005 Mr Olympia, posted by Milos recently. Great photo:

https://www.google.com/search?q=my+olympia+2005+photos&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#vhid=L1LxIaHfhJ76MM&vssid=l

[MCWAY]

I thought he was a Chicago cop?

He later became a cop. But, early in his bodybuilding career after arriving the USA, he worked 12-hour shifts in a foundry. He'd talk about how some of his co-workers would pass out from heat exhaustion.

I found the article from MD (April 2018, page 81) where Oliva, Jr. talk about his father's nutrition:

"My father didn't diet until 1985. He never ate fish, which is something many of us modern bodybuilders would envy. As far as going on lower carbs or carb cycling, he never did that. He was an accidental pioneer with insulin spiking, drinking soda and eating Twinkies every day. My coach, Chris Aceto, will have me eat muffins before workouts at times, but that's the only sugar I really eat.

And I don't think anyone from my dad's era was eating six meals a day. He would have three or four tat most, but they would be larger meals."

[ProudVirgin69]

Oliva (Sr.) wasn't reportedly using growth hormone in his heyday. So, did Jr. have a point about his father, using insulin to his anabolic advantage (unknowingly) by all of the simple sugars he consumed (and burned) while he trained and worked a full-time manual labor job?

I can’t comment on Jr’s claims but my hunch would be no, that’s just eating lots of carbs

Anyways, you said you never understood the insulin thing and I told you why it’s necessary.

[MCWAY]

I can’t comment on Jr’s claims but my hunch would be no, that’s just eating lots of carbs

Anyways, you said you never understood the insulin thing and I told you why it’s necessary.

You said it was necessary to get "pro-level size". Oliva Sr. was pro-level size, at least by 60s-to-80s standards. I don't recall his use of any growth hormone.

If you're talking 90s and beyond, that would be another thing. But not all pros were taking insulin to get big. Many have talked about not   having been even introduced to insulin, until well after they already turned pro.

Back to my original question/point, why wouldn't simply eating lots of simple sugars at certain times (i.e. first thing in the morning, post-workout), have a certain anabolic effect, even if not to the same degree as doing that with insulin?

[ProudVirgin69]

You said it was necessary to get "pro-level size". Oliva Sr. was pro-level size, at least by 60s-to-80s standards. I don't recall his use of any growth hormone.

If you're talking 90s and beyond, that would be another thing. But not all pros were taking insulin to get big. Many have talked about not   having been even introduced to insulin, until well after they already turned pro.

Back to my original question/point, why wouldn't simply eating lots of simple sugars at certain times (i.e. first thing in the morning, post-workout), have a certain anabolic effect, even if not to the same degree as doing that with insulin?

Sergio Oliva Sr would be a top level amateur today, he probably wouldn’t turn pro without additional size.  As for pros saying they didn’t use insulin, professional bodybuilders aren’t known to be forthright about their drug protocols.  I certainly don’t believe anything they say , but you may feel differently.

As to your original question, exogenous insulin itself doesn’t have an anabolic effect in and of itself.  The anabolic effect comes from GH, the insulin is necessary to combat the gh-induced insulin resistance.  If GH didn’t cause insulin resistance, they wouldn’t need to take insulin.  Spiking one’s own insulin production by consuming fast-digesting carbs might have some beneficial effect by shuttling nutrients into the muscle cells quicker but calling it ‘anabolic’ in the way that AAS/GH are anabolic would be false

Some claim differently, and they might be right on some level, but as far as the science goes, insulin is used to treat the gh-induced insulin resistance.

[BayGBM]

Not even a sticky?

[mphgrove]

Not even a sticky?

Well ok

https://www.google.com/search?q=my+olympia+2005+photos&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#vhid=L1LxIaHfhJ76MM&vssid=l

[Grenache]

2004 Mr. Olympia challenge round:

2005 Mr. Olympia challenge round:

[joswift]

He was but he used to work at a meat packing plant.

I thought he was a sheet metal worker?

Hang on, Im getting mixed up....