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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2024, 09:30:23 PM »
Tradesmen aren't wagies. They're contractors.

Predictive calculation is a faculty of intellect but designing a machine to perform it doesn't imbue the machine with a mind. Don't anthropomorphize shit. The computer is not alive. It's not intelligent. It's carrying out a program. Y'all believers are the dudes outside Searles chinese room.

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2024, 02:13:54 AM »
What kind of research?

A mix of Academic and real world applications to be honest - things like summaries of case law, legal frameworks and which specific bits apply, short abstracts to explain methodologies, that sort of thing


One of the key differences between machine learning and regular computer program is machine learning requires far less human programming.  For example, Windows 11 contains about 50 million lines of code, which are all written by humans.  Machine learning requires less than a thousand lines of human code.  the key output is the matrix of numbers that are created during the learning process.  At it's core, machine learning is based on linear algebra, specifically, matrix multiplication.  It's just math, but math that computers excel at.  In particular, GPU's are very fast at this kind of math because all graphics just calculating polygons using linear algebra.

The output of machine learning is a large matrix of numbers.

Equally important is the hardware to run the machine learning model on is low cost and simple.  Tesla FSD runs on a computer that's basically two Samsung galaxy chips and half a gig of memory.  The file containing the matrix is only about 500 megs, it's easy to send over the air updates and every Tesla has the required hardware.

The hardware that does the training is basically thousands of GPU's for gaming.  That part of it is expensive and power consuming, but once the training is done, it can be sent out to everyone.

Yeah I accidentally saw an INVIDIA promo recently - suddenly realised that their (GPU) ability to perform parallel processing was a key reason for their use. (About a hundred years ago I dabbled with OCCAM and ferk me was that complicated!!)
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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2024, 02:28:23 AM »
The machine learning stuff makes a lot of grinding forms of IT jobs obsolete. As 100 of those people can be replaced by 10 people overseeing AI.


This is true, will take some time, but its already starting. We are starting to use it in 'threat detection and mitigation' in our firewalls.
By the time I retire in 4 years, maybe my job will be obsolete. But like IPv6 which was supposed to take over the internet and every company, its used very little so far.
(Except in engineering, dev-ops, etc, it needs to work in every product)... It (IPv6) of course works fine, but people are still reluctant to switch to it fully...

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2024, 08:36:55 AM »
My money is on CDs for the future.


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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2024, 08:38:43 AM »
My money is on CDs for the future.


DVD's???

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2024, 08:40:02 AM »
DVD's???

Yea...ok...DVDs can come too.

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2024, 08:50:57 AM »
My money is on CDs for the future.



The nice thing about CDs and DVDs is they don't report back to Mark Zuckerberg about what you watched.

People who are getting chubbies over AI should watch the series "Person of Interest" now on Amazon Prime. Probably the best series ever made about government over reach. AI is yet another tool they will use to remove your freedoms.

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2024, 08:55:32 AM »

Faggotry.

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2024, 10:55:49 AM »
A mix of Academic and real world applications to be honest - things like summaries of case law, legal frameworks and which specific bits apply, short abstracts to explain methodologies, that sort of thing


There was a guy a while back that asked people due to appear in court to wear hands free sets as listening devices so he could train his AI. He then wanted to use it to fight parking tickets or something. Followed him years ago. Do you know about this and what happened to him?

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2024, 12:04:25 PM »
The nice thing about CDs and DVDs is they don't report back to Mark Zuckerberg about what you watched.

People who are getting chubbies over AI should watch the series "Person of Interest" now on Amazon Prime. Probably the best series ever made about government over reach. AI is yet another tool they will use to remove your freedoms.

This. They are going to use it to keep you from finding upsetting data or information which doesn't fit their narrative. It will be built into the search engines.

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2024, 06:57:27 PM »
54% of Banking jobs to be cut from AI and increased profits in sector.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ai-could-automate-more-than-half-of-banking-jobs-citi-2024-6?amp

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2024, 08:58:33 PM »

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2024, 04:09:56 AM »

The future skill set will be knowing what questions to ask AI. You can’t just rock up and have it do everything, you need to sift through the BS answers it gives you and know specific wording to get to the correct answers. This is something I am personally going to pursue because while I build my models, my skill is knowing what to look for. Once AI can understand the dataset I can ask the questions which will make me 10x quicker than I am at work today. The productivity gains are enormous in my field.
This is more or less my understanding of the tech.

While I think we're globally fucked, I think this tech won't be our downfall. We're going through some newbie gains with the most recent gen of tech but I think reality has a natural way of adjusting to things.

You talk to anyone in any field, and they'll tell you that 99% of possible work is never even attempted because of cost.

Lawyers for example, most people can't afford a lawyer and end up getting one only when desperate. Low cost AI might mean having a lawyer is like having a hairdresser. Everyone can easily afford some time on legal advice/planning etc.

In terms of housing construction/cars etc, there's no reason a home/car can't be custom made and designed for each buyer.

It's perfectly reasonable to assume cars 25 years from now will all be custom makes. 

The beauty of consumerism is that people having no limits to their greed, the more machines offer to us the more we want. Even if a lot of jobs like Lawyering/accounting etc turn into more customer service jobs it'll keep going.

In any economy jobs rise and fall. Some people will have to look for work elsewhere, but that's one of the perks of AI. AI can replace your job in just a few weeks, but it can also train you in on a brand new job just as quickly.   

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2024, 04:20:13 AM »
Only a matter of time before AI replaces human fine artists, graphic designers, musicians etc. Kind of sad IMO. Record companies and artists are suing AI companies that have been trained on their content....It's here (and not all of it is bad) but using AI at work makes me uneasy, some of it is unreal.. the speed, variety and quality it generates will blow your mind. It's kind of like steroids in sport. Game changer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/06/24/suno-lawsuit-udio-sony-warner-umg-copyright/

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2024, 04:32:48 AM »
Bunch of hype

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2024, 02:09:36 PM »
AI is a means to an end; a tool - among others... manifested – pulled from the abyss - for the subjugation and fundamental transformation of a divinely created man into an irredeemable, short lived abomination... before extermination - resulting in damnation.

humanity is on the highway to hell.. look around.

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2024, 02:15:09 PM »
I've struggled with some of the morality around AI recently, to wit:  just how much of a loser move is it to crack one off to women that don't exist?🤔

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2024, 02:16:18 PM »
Asking for a friend...
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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2024, 03:29:35 PM »
Like most tech the hype comes early. Perhaps post 2030 it’s in your face everyday 🤔

Displaced white collar suggests more manual labour jobs but I dunno how the wealth gap would be prevented from massively widening.

IMO Huge recession in 2040-2042 as AI makes the first crack of our current way of life and we have no instant solution for unemployment.

I think we have way more time than the hype suggests to see a dramatic shift. People make out like it was 2022…. Then 2023…. Then 2024….. they have no idea in reality, just bad guessers.

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2024, 10:06:26 AM »
I'll just tuck this little Easter Egg here as well - link is safe and safe for work

https://streamable.com/bkcz7u
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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2024, 10:11:57 AM »
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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2024, 10:32:33 AM »
How so?  People are seeing how intelligent AI is getting and panic is setting in.  There is very real fear that potentially millions of jobs could be replaced by AI.  Which is exactly the thing John Stewart is making fun of in the video. 

I get the fear, but I'm much more hopeful of the opportunities and benefits.

The Tesla FSD videos coming out are shocking to me.  What's even more shocking is they've only been using machine learning for FSD for less than a year.

All big tech companies around the world are laser focused on AI. 







 

You take two data points and then draw a straight line to infinity.

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2024, 10:34:10 AM »
I'll just tuck this little Easter Egg here as well - link is safe and safe for work

https://streamable.com/bkcz7u

Will need a squeakier voice for the future french toast clip  ;D

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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2024, 11:17:10 AM »
I've struggled with some of the morality around AI recently, to wit:  just how much of a loser move is it to crack one off to women that don't exist?🤔

Some great creations there Taffy!

Soon we will use ai as blueprints for those sexdoll androids!

Like 3d-printer but better :D
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Re: The Promise of AI, More Important than Fire, or Electricity
« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2024, 12:23:33 PM »
54% of Banking jobs to be cut from AI and increased profits in sector.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ai-could-automate-more-than-half-of-banking-jobs-citi-2024-6?amp


Good news!
I trust AI more than the countless number of highly corrupt bankers. They hire all those lobbyists to further corrupt politicians.
Good riddance if AI can remove more than half of them.