Who is the pound-for-pound strongest Getbigger?

[BigRo]

Yes, I had really mean cramps from that stuff, specifically abs. Anecdotally Taurine seems to help and it has been shown it depletes Taurine. I think the trick is to use very little initially. It's an old asthma drug of course which some used for decades straight. I don't think they all were cramping and shaking constantly all that time, like with everything you get used to it. It's not a game changer by any means but if trying to maximize things might be mildly useful. The observed fiber change to more fast twitch is interesting. All the athletes now have prescriptions for albuterol or salbutamol or similar, everyone has asthma. All the winter athletes have cold induced asthma; interesting how all the athletes are suddenly asthmatics. 

Strange that.

It's a CNS activator so the ability to attack the weight explosively is up.

[nobody in particular]

this has piqued my curiousity - is there any research/anecdotal evidence on amphetamines and lifting performance? Im curious if a low dose before a competitive lift might offer an advantage. I'm also suspicious if the dose was high enough, that form would break down and lifting would be negatively impacted. But I don't know nor am I willing to be a guinea pig.

[Van_Bilderass]

this has piqued my curiousity - is there any research/anecdotal evidence on amphetamines and lifting performance? Im curious if a low dose before a competitive lift might offer an advantage. I'm also suspicious if the dose was high enough, that form would break down and lifting would be negatively impacted. But I don't know nor am I willing to be a guinea pig.

I've used Vyvance periodically for the past several years. There's absolutely an advantage, perhaps not a huge increase in absolute strength per se, but it can put you in a focused and "aggressive" mindframe, not hostile towards people but more interested in lifting and doing things in general, more "active." Ephedrine used to do the same for me but I haven't seen it in decades. Though in general, if something causes too much euphoria it might make you rather just chill or just sit staring at a wall or fiddle with some useless task endlessly. I'd say about 10mg of dexamphetamine or other equipotent might be a good dose and not too much. I think meth for ADHD is prescribed at about half that dose.

I thought the story of this Finnish soldier during the winter war was amusing. It increased his performance too much.

"Koivunen was a Finnish soldier, assigned to a ski patrol on 15 March 1944 along with several other Finnish soldiers. Three days into their mission on 18 March, the group was attacked and surrounded by Soviet forces, from whom they were able to escape.[3] Koivunen became fatigued after skiing for a long distance but could not stop. He was carrying his patrol's entire supply of army-issued Pervitin, or methamphetamine, a stimulant used to remain awake while on duty.[4] He consumed the entire supply of Pervitin, and had a short burst of energy, but soon entered a state of delirium and eventually lost consciousness. Koivunen later recalled waking up the following morning, separated from his patrol and having no supplies.[5]

In the following days, Koivunen escaped Soviet forces once again, was injured by a land mine, and stayed in a ditch for a week, waiting for help.[5][4] In the week that he was gone, he subsisted only on pine buds and a single Siberian jay that he caught and ate raw.[5][4] Having skied more than 400 km (248.5 mi), he was later found and admitted to a nearby hospital, where his heart rate was measured at 200 beats per minute, and he weighed only 43 kg (94.8 lbs).[5][4]"

[nobody in particular]

thats him - not photoshopped. looks like he's had a big weekend.

but on a serious note thanks for the info. I've heard of vyvanse - it's used here in Aus for adhd/autistic kids in varying dosages. dex too. the former isn't too readily seen around the traps but dex pops up on the black market a fair bit. the experienmce I've had dealing with dickheads on meth when I was doing door work is that they have energy and frenzied strength (for a time) but little co-ordination. and zero brain function almost.

[YeahBranch]

this has piqued my curiousity - is there any research/anecdotal evidence on amphetamines and lifting performance? Im curious if a low dose before a competitive lift might offer an advantage. I'm also suspicious if the dose was high enough, that form would break down and lifting would be negatively impacted. But I don't know nor am I willing to be a guinea pig.

Anecdotally, I was told to the promoter of the 2014 GPA Worlds in Sydney Australia that the headline lifters were doing amphetmamines prior to their main lifts. For what it’s worth, I trust the messenger 100%, and you can find the names of the competitors online, i.e. konstantins Konstantinovs (RIP), Benedikt Magnusson etc

[Van_Bilderass]

the experienmce I've had dealing with dickheads on meth when I was doing door work is that they have energy and frenzied strength (for a time) but little co-ordination. and zero brain function almost.

The ones that do street meth are a sorry bunch, the most enervating people you can deal with. There's some difference between doing grams and doing some 10mg. I love the stuff but in several years I haven't ventured above the adult 70mg pill (about 20mg dex spread out over the day). At least in my case there hasn't been a temptation to escalate and it keeps working just fine. If you google you can find some article where Kazmaier mentions how he uses it in training. Prescription stims used to be so common, there have been mentions that Arnold used them too. I mean who didn't? Some strongmen have mentioned that you can't take a lot early in the day because it will just zap all your strength, you take it before later events. There's a reason they don't test for steroids but do test for stims, would be very bad publicity if someone keels over and he was amped up. Though there are a lot of designer stims that are just as effective, if not more, but not tested for.

Tucker Carlson mentioned that he knows someone who saw Biden getting shot up with amphetamines at least 3 times during the election. I'm sure it's there for Trump too if he needs it, as an old guy there will be times when he needs more focus. JFK used it and doc said Kennedy mentioned how it gave him mental clarity. Kennedy used Halotestin too.

Lady, take some Ritalin, stop moping, and get to vacuuming and playing with your child.

[Van_Bilderass]

I'm not a comp powerlifter, never was, but I wrote this in a PM. There are several former or current competitive powerlifters here, do you think this is potentially good info/advice?

"Powerlifters don't typically go to absolute failure on the comp lifts very often at all, preferably only in comps, the idea is to ideally not miss a single lift during prep, they just go with the daily projected numbers, according to preset plan. But say you do a triple on bench, each rep should be performed as if in a comp or it doesn't count at all. Lift-off, command to start, pause, lift, rack on command, could be in your mind if no spotter. Failing a rep on a competitive lift in training sets a bad precedent mentally. Ideally you only take a chance on second and third lifts in comp. Assistance lifts you might do more "bodybuilding style" but even there top lifters often want each rep to be perfect and standardized in execution, how else to truly know if you're making progress, know what I mean? If even tempo changes you don't know. I have never done a PL comp because there are no untested feds here, but if I were to do one, I would go about it the way I described. No shit lifts ever on the competition lifts, everything should be perfect and ingrained in your psyche."

[Hulkotron]

I'm not a comp powerlifter, never was, but I wrote this in a PM. There are several former or current competitive powerlifters here, do you think this is potentially good info/advice?

"Powerlifters don't typically go to absolute failure on the comp lifts very often at all, ideally only in comps, the idea is to ideally not miss a single lift during prep, they just go with the daily projected numbers, according to preset plan. But say you do a triple on bench, each rep should be performed as if in a comp or it doesn't count at all. Lift-off, command to start, pause, lift, rack on command, could be in your mind if no spotter. Failing a rep on a competitive lift in training sets a bad precedent mentally. Ideally you only take a chance on second and third lifts in comp. Assistance lifts you might do more "bodybuilding style" but even there top lifters ideally want each rep to be perfect and standardized in execution, how else to truly know if you're making progress, know what I mean? If even tempo changes you don't know. I have never done a PL comp because there are no untested feds here, but if I were to do one, I would go about it the way I described. No shit lifts ever on the competition lifts, everything should be perfect and ingrained in your psyche."

I'm no PLer, but with BB-style workouts it's definitely easy to fall in love (nh) with progressing the numbers, e.g. doing more weight for more reps, and fool yourself into thinking you're making progress when really the "quality" of the reps you're doing is just getting shittier and shittier and that's why you're able to do more.  Harder to do that with PL-style where the weights are too heavy to get away with such fuckery.