2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"

[LurkerNoMore]

Did they have it prior?

I'm not getting hung up on what happened or didn't happen with the original strike.  It's perfectly plausible it didn't stop what they thought.  I don't care - it's where we're at now.

They had enough to have 10-11 bombs, according to all reports - what do you suggest we do in that situation.

You cool with a nuclear Iran?  If you are then that's the answer.

Perhaps finding out if they had it prior should have occurred.

We are well out of their range so who cares if they have bombs?  Let the ones who care do something about it.  Not us.

You cool with a nuclear India, NK, Pakistan, Russia and China?   We supposed to bomb them next?  There’s your answer.

[Grape Ape]

Perhaps finding out if they had it prior should have occurred.

We are well out of their range so who cares if they have bombs?  Let the ones who care do something about it.  Not us.

You cool with a nuclear India, NK, Pakistan, Russia and China?   We supposed to bomb them next?  There’s your answer.

Other countries having them is not what we are discussing.

So you are of the belief that because they can't reach us right now, it's cool if they have nukes?

Iran, is the largest state sponsor of terrorism, and has fundamentalists who do not value human life in the way most of the world does.

If you believe that's fine, and it wouldn't affect us, just say it.

[B_B_C]

Iran, is the largest state sponsor of terrorism,

What authority has decided that?

[Grape Ape]

What authority has decided that?

Do you believe they don't engage in this?

[B_B_C]

Do you believe they don't engage in this?

I do but I asked what authority decided it was the largest state sponsor of terrorism.

[Grape Ape]

I do but I asked what authority decided it was the largest state sponsor of terrorism.

The US State Department's Country Report on Terrorism.

But let them be top five if you don't believe them and it helps you stick to the topic.

[loco]

In Iran fallout, US shares hold up better than global rivals
https://www.reuters.com/business/iran-fallout-us-shares-hold-up-better-than-global-rivals-now-2026-03-24/


US Market Takes Upper Hand Amid Iran War as International Stock Rally Reverses
https://www.morningstar.com/markets/us-market-takes-upper-hand-amid-iran-war-international-stock-rally-reverses


US stocks dubbed 'safe haven' as Iran war escalates
https://www.tradingview.com/news/invezz:16d8a5e71094b:0-us-stocks-dubbed-safe-haven-as-iran-war-escalates/

[honest]

Share markets are sharemarkets what effects everyday Americans is inflation and it went up .6 in April its now at 3.8% year on year and thats just really on oil, the second supply chain wave globally is yet to come, but even if Trump got a deal this week there is still 6 months of pain to follow and theres no deal coming unless he concedes. You can't bomb your way to victory here.
Inflation will go to 5-6% in the coming months and borrowing rates should follow appreciate he's done everything he can to remove the independence of the fed, but if they dont go up due to interference then credibility in the US dollar sinks even lower. He's made a huge mess, there is no coming back from this, as time goes on Iran will be forgotten and what will be the story or his legacy is how he almost brought the world economy down. 

[Necrosis]

Share markets are sharemarkets what effects everyday Americans is inflation and it went up .6 in April its now at 3.8% year on year and thats just really on oil, the second supply chain wave globally is yet to come, but even if Trump got a deal this week there is still 6 months of pain to follow and theres no deal coming unless he concedes. You can't bomb your way to victory here.
Inflation will go to 5-6% in the coming months and borrowing rates should follow appreciate he's done everything he can to remove the independence of the fed, but if they dont go up due to interference then credibility in the US dollar sinks even lower. He's made a huge mess, there is no coming back from this, as time goes on Iran will be forgotten and what will be the story or his legacy is how he almost brought the world economy down.

He is a moron bro. What are people not getting. He is stupid, impulsive and corrupt.

[LurkerNoMore]

Other countries having them is not what we are discussing.

So you are of the belief that because they can't reach us right now, it's cool if they have nukes?

Iran, is the largest state sponsor of terrorism, and has fundamentalists who do not value human life in the way most of the world does.

If you believe that's fine, and it wouldn't affect us, just say it.

Iran is considered "other country" by this very means.  What about the countries that do have nukes that can reach us.  You are cool with that?  This isn't a US problem.  This is a problem for the Middle East to solve for itself.  We don't need to fighting and suffering for Israel.

Again, why does the US get to be the one that receives the enriched uranium?  Why can't other countries have access to it as well.

[Grape Ape]

Iran is considered "other country" by this very means.  What about the countries that do have nukes that can reach us.  You are cool with that?  This isn't a US problem.  This is a problem for the Middle East to solve for itself.  We don't need to fighting and suffering for Israel.

Again, why does the US get to be the one that receives the enriched uranium?  Why can't other countries have access to it as well.

The countries that have nukes and can reach us are not fundies who don't value human life.  They have not openly called for the complete destruction of America.

But to think a nuclear Iran wouldn't have an effect on us is naive.   Economic variability/shockwaves, potential for attacks, pain to our allies, etc all would hurt us.

It's also naive to think they wouldn't continue to develop missles with longer ranges.

They've done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt.

If we could go pure isolationist and not suffer for it, I'd say have at it.  It's just not reality.

[B_B_C]

The countries that have nukes and can reach us are not fundies who don't value human life.  They have not openly called for the complete destruction of America.

But to think a nuclear Iran wouldn't have an effect on us is naive.   Economic variability/shockwaves, potential for attacks, pain to our allies, etc all would hurt us.

It's also naive to think they wouldn't continue to develop missles with longer ranges.

They've done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt.

If we could go pure isolationist and not suffer for it, I'd say have at it.  It's just not reality.

We recently threatened the destruction of a civilisation 

[Grape Ape]

We recently threatened the destruction of a civilisation

If you're going to use "we", please spell in American.

But regardless, 

Bolded the important part in case you don't want to read it all.

Well,
@ShawnRyan762
, I know my comparing you to
@maddow
 seems like a joke to some, but I can assure you that it is not.

As a former SEAL that has sat in briefing rooms in theater, run ops against jihadist networks, and built a platform interviewing many sharp people in both operations and intelligence, you of all people should understand how strategic warfare actually works.

Despite all of that, you are sitting here and pushing posts like a cable news commentator with rimmed glasses on a communist news network, framing decisive pressure against the world's leading state sponsor of militant jihadist terrorism as "chaos" and "loss."

Let's cut through this selective timeline you laid out:

Trump issued a brutal, unmistakable warning over the Strait of Hormuz, the chokepoint Iran's regime was weaponizing to strangle global energy and fund its proxies.

That wasn't just some bluster for fun, it was quite literally combatant messaging 101 in asymmetric conflict against an enemy that only respects raw and credible power.

Jihadist Islamists like the IRGC, Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, and their ilk don't negotiate in good faith or respond to polite diplomacy, and you absolutely know this.

They only respond to negotiations from positions of strength.

If you do not negotiate that way, they will probe weaknesses, exploit hesitation, and interpret restraint as invitations to push attacks.

History from the Beirut barracks to the USS Cole to Benghazi and to decades of proxy attacks has proven that.

You've had guests that have spoken about these things, yet you act ignorant of them now?

This apocalyptic rhetoric is the only language these people understand, and you know it.

Iran blinked because of that rhetoric, floated a ceasefire tied to reopening the strait, and the administration secured a pause to lock in gains. That is not "lighting the world on fire then calling the fire department," you two bit propagandist, that is literally the way war has always worked.

It is coercion through strength: downgrade the enemy's capacity, signal willingness to escalate decisively, then offer the off ramp on your terms.

It's wild that you are ignorant about this.

And then you cry about Israel hitting Beirut like the soft lefty you have turned into... Beirut is in Lebanon, mind you, which is a completely different country than Iran.

Perhaps you need a geography lesson as well as a lesson on strategic level warfare?

So yeah, that is not Trump chaos, that is Israel finishing the job against an Iranian proxy that has quite literally fired thousands of rockets and embedded itself among civilians in Lebanon for decades.

And Lebanon was explicitly carved out of the US and Iran ceasefire for a reason, so even bringing it up here is silly and meant to distract.

Also, Iran quickly "closed" the Strait back up because they are purveyors of taqiyya style negotiations, just like jihadists always are.

[LurkerNoMore]

The countries that have nukes and can reach us are not fundies who don't value human life.  They have not openly called for the complete destruction of America.

But to think a nuclear Iran wouldn't have an effect on us is naive.   Economic variability/shockwaves, potential for attacks, pain to our allies, etc all would hurt us.

It's also naive to think they wouldn't continue to develop missles with longer ranges.

They've done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt.

If we could go pure isolationist and not suffer for it, I'd say have at it.  It's just not reality.

Many other countries don't value human life either.  Look at 9/11.  Who invaded us?  Who did we attack?  Who is/was offering the orange buffoon a jet last year?

We are not the Middle East.  We are not affected by their squabbles.  Especially if your Dear Leader said it was set back 30 years ago after last year's bombing.

Again, why does the US have to have the enriched uranium.

[Coach is Back!]

That takes a minute at most to read for the average person - you can't argue for shit in one or two sentences. Your kind of post is basically "You're a liberal/democrat, I WIN!" You declare victory all the time but absolutely no one seems to agree, everyone here thinks you are an intellectual midget. I want to be clear and say I know I only have average intelligence and I frequently express doubt and willingness to change if I learn new things, while at the same time admitting how hard change is, especially at my age. Someone here actually dissed me for saying, "I'm not an expert on the subject, but here's what it seems like to me at this point."

I'm hyper aware I'm being propagandized all the time and should stay vigilant LOL. You're actually proud of only reading MSM sources and swallowing whatever crap that it feeds you, the classic "boomer republican."

No it's definitely not about Trump per se through some visceral dislike of his personality. He can be funny and likable too in some ways as I say all the time. Like for many the dislike has come about from Trump doing stupid shit and not keeping to his campaign promises, many of which have been good. As someone said above, Trump tapped into what a large segment of Americans longed for, then he just didn't do it. I felt zero affinity for Biden at any point, a contemptible person. I'm not a "democrat" or liberal as you keep claiming. I feel a mild affinity for fascism, illiberalism, white nationalism and things along those lines. And don't forget Trump's support for democrats LOL. He still loves the Clintons. Don't forget Trump's support for Muslim terrorists and him allowing himself to be bribed by Muslim Gulf family dictatorships.

We could discuss the relationship between Islam and pedophilia and homosexuality but you never actually discuss or argue your point. When I attempt to you say "wall of text means you don't know shit you should be banned or at least shut up about your conspiracy theories!"

Hands down you are the #1 conspiracy theorist in this thread and as I pointed out a couple of weeks ago within this thread (somewhere) that the ones that attacked me to the point trying of trying to  hack my social media, going to my social media and lifting my content to post on here (for whatever reason because all it did was make them look stupid) were proven wrong....ESPECIALLY YOU and there were even a few than agreed I was proved right. I didn't need endless walls of text and articles from other conspiracy theorists who call themselves "journalists" to prove myself.

As for the highlighted...no, you couldn't and I don't the time nor patience to hear more of your conspiracy bullshit. You have no concept of any common sense. Now, go ahead post up conspiracy theory #9468

[Grape Ape]

Many other countries don't value human life either.  Look at 9/11.  Who invaded us?  Who did we attack?  Who is/was offering the orange buffoon a jet last year?

We are not the Middle East.  We are not affected by their squabbles.  Especially if your Dear Leader said it was set back 30 years ago after last year's bombing.

Again, why does the US have to have the enriched uranium.

We are the ones handling the situation, so we'll take it.

Where do you think it should go?

[illuminati]

Many other countries don't value human life either.  Look at 9/11.  Who invaded us?  Who did we attack?  Who is/was offering the orange buffoon a jet last year?

We are not the Middle East.  We are not affected by their squabbles.  Especially if your Dear Leader said it was set back 30 years ago after last year's bombing.

Again, why does the US have to have the enriched uranium.

How many countries did obummer bomb & why ? 
Did you cry / bitch / moan about him doing so ?
or is it just a Donald thing.

[Necrosis]

How many countries did obummer bomb & why ? 
Did you cry / bitch / moan about him doing so ?
or is it just a Donald thing.

This is a war, not a bombing.

[Necrosis]

We are the ones handling the situation, so we'll take it.

Where do you think it should go?

Didn't you guys set them back decades just only last year? How do you make sense of that?

[Grape Ape]

Didn't you guys set them back decades just only last year? How do you make sense of that?

Like this:

It's perfectly plausible it didn't stop what they thought.  I don't care - it's where we're at now.

Please try and keep up.

[Necrosis]

Like this:

Please try and keep up.

Ok so how to you square that with trump saying
it was a

 "spectacular military success"

And

"Iran's nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated,"

and that they set the program back "decades".

To they are weeks away from a bomb less than a year later?

Is the US military completely incompetent? seems like a huge gap there or was trump just lying as per normal?

I am sure Iran has weapons of mass destruction of course, I wouldn't question king trumps motivations.

[herne]

[Grape Ape]

Ok so how to you square that with trump saying
it was a

 "spectacular military success"

And

"Iran's nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated,"

and that they set the program back "decades".

To they are weeks away from a bomb less than a year later?

Is the US military completely incompetent? seems like a huge gap there or was trump just lying as per normal?

I am sure Iran has weapons of mass destruction of course, I wouldn't question king trumps motivations.

I don't care what he said.  I'll let you guys get hung up on the bluster and hyperbole.

The reality is Iran has enriched uranium to 60% and I don't want them to have it.

No, our military is not incompetant, and could wipe yours out without a sweat.

But believe what you want.

[Van_Bilderass]

Hands down you are the #1 conspiracy theorist in this thread and as I pointed out a couple of weeks ago within this thread (somewhere) that the ones that attacked me to the point trying of trying to  hack my social media, going to my social media and lifting my content to post on here (for whatever reason because all it did was make them look stupid) were proven wrong....ESPECIALLY YOU and there were even a few than agreed I was proved right. I didn't need endless walls of text and articles from other conspiracy theorists who call themselves "journalists" to prove myself.

As for the highlighted...no, you couldn't and I don't the time nor patience to hear more of your conspiracy bullshit. You have no concept of any common sense. Now, go ahead post up conspiracy theory #9468

I posted an article from The Atlantic, neocon city. It's also mainstream media. Robert Kagan is not a journalist. He is literally the architect of several middle east wars. He has also been one of the biggest proponents of starting a war with Iran.

Calling someone a conspiracy theorist is no argument. You haven't "proven" anything because you don't argue over anything, all you do is call me names. You know who else has been called a conspiracy theorist? Your daddy Trump. Trump is actually a conspiracy theorist and peddler of things he knows are lies, but the point is that it's easy to dismiss anything as a conspiracy theory, then you don't have to argue your stance.

I will never hack anyone over forum shit, in case you might think I have somehow been involved. It's despicable and weak.

[chaos]

We are the ones handling the situation, so we'll take it.

Where do you think it should go?

Right? All those other countries tucked their tails and cowered, why would they get any enriched uranium?