2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"

[ProudVirgin69]

The US has nuclear weapons as well, Eeron isn't necessarily bowing down.

Having nukes doesn’t mean that other countries won’t defend themselves if you attack/invade them, it just means that you yourself are much less likely to be invaded.  Nuclear weapons are a defensive weapon.

North Korea has nukes and nobody fucks with them.  Ukraine HAD nukes but disarmed themselves like fools, and look at them now.  And if Iran had nukes we wouldn’t have attacked them.  Hence their interest in developing them.

[chaos]

Having nukes doesn’t mean that other countries won’t defend themselves if you attack/invade them, it just means that you yourself are much less likely to be invaded.  Nuclear weapons are a defensive weapon.

North Korea has nukes and nobody fucks with them.  Ukraine HAD nukes but disarmed themselves like fools, and look at them now.  And if Iran had nukes we wouldn’t have attacked them.  Hence their interest in developing them.

How many countries has Eeron bombed since this started? 8? 9?
And Eeron has been attacking US sites since this started, they don't seem dissuaded by us having nukes.

Edit:
 These include Bahrain, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Cyprus

[Van_Bilderass]

How many countries has Eeron bombed since this started? 8? 9?

Edit:
 These include Bahrain, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Cyprus

How can I not root for Iran? Look at what they're up against. They have Israel and the US up against the ropes, at least for now. Iran might make Trump be remembered as the man who finally ended US world hegemony, that will be his legacy. It has exposed US military might as nothing but a paper tiger. The US can't even militarily defeat some cave dwelling, sandal wearing dirty muzzies. What's bad is Trump is already 80 and he won't be around to see what an absolute disaster he wrought.

"John Mearsheimer is a highly respected and influential scholar. He is widely viewed as a foundational figure in international relations theory. His book The Tragedy of Great Power Politics is a standard, mandatory text in universities worldwide."

"The US has lost the war and Trump must concede defeat, he simply can't win"

[chaos]

How can I not root for Iran?

Is that why you rooted for the muzzies to invade your country? Look what they're up against!!!!

[Donny]

You are in love with me lololololololol.

You big gay fatso.

 

[GymnJuice]

Trump starting this war was not rational but not going ahead with this bombardment right nowwas rational. No doubt his generals told him another bombing raid hitting the same sites that have been hit 20 times already was not going to take out Iran's capability to keep Hormuz closed. Prof. Robert Pape who has advised numerous US administrations says to take out Iran's capability to do that the US would have to degrade Iran's drones down to under 200. Iran might have 15,000 drones or more and they are continuing to build them.

Trump is in quicksand and any move he makes makes him sink more. He desperately needs to again get some oil flowing so he's reaching for that tree branch. We all know there will not be any lasting deal, it's just bullshit on Trump's part, we will probably have more of these cycles for market manipulation purposes. He always does this according to when the markets open and close.

I wasn’t alive for Vietnam, but the parallels are hard to miss. The people who started the conflict are now stuck in it, and after this long any exit starts to look like defeat. It may take a new administration to finally get out of Iran. Still, my hope is that Trump is unpredictable enough to suddenly reverse course and pull out on a whim.

[Donny]

I wasn’t alive for Vietnam, but the parallels are hard to miss. The people who started the conflict are now stuck in it, and after this long any exit starts to look like defeat. It may take a new administration to finally get out of Iran. Still, my hope is that Trump is unpredictable enough to suddenly reverse course and pull out on a whim.

you have to give those Tunnel Rats full respect, amazing how vast these Gook tunnels were

[ProudVirgin69]

How many countries has Eeron bombed since this started? 8? 9?
And Eeron has been attacking US sites since this started, they don't seem dissuaded by us having nukes.

Edit:
 These include Bahrain, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Cyprus

How many of those countries have nukes?  Also, Iran attacked those countries and the US outposts within in response to the initial attacks from the US.  No country is going to attack the US directly in an unprovoked attack because they would be risking a nuclear response.  See: Japan in WWII

It’s self-evident why having nuclear weapons is a major deterrent to being attacked.  If you cant understand why, I don’t think there’s anything I can say to change your mind.

[LurkerNoMore]

you have to give those Tunnel Rats full respect, amazing how vast these Gook tunnels were

I have seen the Cu Chi tunnels before.   And it was nerve wracking.  And these are considered the best built and "safe" tunnels for traveling, living and hiding.  I can only imagine the rest.

[Donny]

I have seen the Cu Chi tunnels before.   And it was nerve wracking.  And these are considered the best built and "safe" tunnels for traveling, living and hiding.  I can only imagine the rest.

watched a film about the tunnels & they said that the earth,clay or whatever actually formed into a very solid wall so they were very safe.
tunnels were 3 floors deep & went on for miles.
the Gooks even found ways of countering the gas the US Army Engineers put in there, water blocking a section so no gas could go through to the next level
the first "Tunnel Rats" were Army Engineers later Grunts

[Van_Bilderass]

Is that why you rooted for the muzzies to invade your country? Look what they're up against!!!!

Did you root for the Jews to take over your country? Look at what kind of people they've been up against, you're bending over and spreading the cheeks. I'm the one against Islam and Muslims and people from foreign races in my country, people like you and Coach are the antiracist civic nationalists. Your president is the one courting Muslim terrorists around the world.

I wasn’t alive for Vietnam, but the parallels are hard to miss. The people who started the conflict are now stuck in it, and after this long any exit starts to look like defeat. It may take a new administration to finally get out of Iran. Still, my hope is that Trump is unpredictable enough to suddenly reverse course and pull out on a whim.

First I want to make clear I'm not shitting on America because I hate it per se, because there are many good people in it and many good things about it; you are are smart and I'm sure understand that but others might not. I'm against this hellish ZOG which BTW is a factor in my country and Europe too. I've posted that Barbara Spectre clip so many times. I hate it, not the "other US" that still exists with the people.

Any exit will without a doubt look like defeat, actually more like total capitulation. But any escalation will most likely make matters even worse. You understand it but I don't think many people understand just how bad a defeat this could be, I said on the previous page that Trump might end up being remembered for being the president that finally ended US world hegemony, that exposed US military might as a paper tiger. If US leaves now it leaves bombed out and emptied bases with billion dollar radars destroyed. An AWACS plane costing $700 million destroyed on the tarmac, a second one likely destroyed, unclear how many fighter jets destroyed. Operation and US airframes costing a billion lost in 24 hours rescuing the F-15E pilots. The US has used "virtually all" its precision munitions during this war as per Reuters report yesterday leaving it naked in the pacific and in defending its allies in the Gulf and Israel. Ukraine too. US general came out and said I'm at the point I have to choose between defending Israel or the US. Gulf countries will have to turn to Iran and make deals because the US has proven it can't defend them, Saudi, UAE, Kuwait, Iraq, Qatar etc. US will leave with Iran being a nuclear weapon breakout country at any moment. The US will leave Iran as the ME hegemon. The US and Trump and Israel and Netanyahu know all this all too well which is why I don't think nukes can be dismissed outright. I have to stop myself or I will write a bunch more LOL.

Looks like Iran and Oman agreed over a deal and Trump will probably have to underwrite it while claiming it was a deal between him and Iran and that it included the nuclear. Absolutely have to get the oil flowing NOW.

TL;DR: people don't realize just how bad this all is for the U.S.

[Humble Narcissist]

How many of those countries have nukes?  Also, Iran attacked those countries and the US outposts within in response to the initial attacks from the US.  No country is going to attack the US directly in an unprovoked attack because they would be risking a nuclear response.  See: Japan in WWII

It’s self-evident why having nuclear weapons is a major deterrent to being attacked.  If you cant understand why, I don’t think there’s anything I can say to change your mind.

Nukes are the greatest peace makers ever created.

[Van_Bilderass]

Nukes are the greatest peace makers ever created.

They are not made to be used. Though before the Feb 28 attack Trump said Iran was just days away from building nukes which they would immediately launch against Israel and the U.S. A few weeks later Trump said the U.S. had been monitoring 24/7 the sites with the material which had been bombed the previous June and they hadn't attempted to retrieve the material. What a bozo

[chaos]

How many of those countries have nukes?  Also, Iran attacked those countries and the US outposts within in response to the initial attacks from the US.  No country is going to attack the US directly in an unprovoked attack because they would be risking a nuclear response.  See: Japan in WWII

It’s self-evident why having nuclear weapons is a major deterrent to being attacked.  If you cant understand why, I don’t think there’s anything I can say to change your mind.

The US has nukes, isreal has nukes. Eeron has fired missiles at both of us. Point is having us having nukes hasn't seemed to deter them. Are you saying Eeron is being irrational by attacking nuclear powers

[chaos]

Did you root for the Jews to take over your country?

Yes, I am told they have a cone shaped yarmulke waiting for me.
Did you get an autographed koran and a goat for your service to the muzzies?

[LurkerNoMore]

watched a film about the tunnels & they said that the earth,clay or whatever actually formed into a very solid wall so they were very safe.
tunnels were 3 floors deep & went on for miles.
the Gooks even found ways of countering the gas the US Army Engineers put in there, water blocking a section so no gas could go through to the next level
the first "Tunnel Rats" were Army Engineers later Grunts

Yes, but the entrances and immediate areas were so cramped and small.   One description said it was like crawling through your own coffin.   There were so many booby traps in those small places too.

[ProudVirgin69]

The US has nukes, isreal has nukes. Eeron has fired missiles at both of us. Point is having us having nukes hasn't seemed to deter them. Are you saying Eeron is being irrational by attacking nuclear powers

Iran fired missiles at the US?  That’s news to me.  What part of the US did they target?

[chaos]

Iran fired missiles at the US?  That’s news to me.  What part of the US did they target?

The part that is stationed in other countries. Blow if off if you want, cool. They still fired at isreal, a nuclear power. Were they acting irrational when they did that? Aren't they afraid isreal will nuke them?

[Van_Bilderass]

The US has nukes, isreal has nukes. Eeron has fired missiles at both of us. Point is having us having nukes hasn't seemed to deter them. Are you saying Eeron is being irrational by attacking nuclear powers

They are an option when things get truly existential, when the viability of the state is threatened. Russia hasn't used nukes against NATO either, yet. Iran has been very tit for tat for now and hasn't caused too much damage so as not to risk being nuked.

Ron Unz offers a hypothetical:

[Van_Bilderass]

Why I consider Israel to be the country most likely to use nukes. And the Jews will take down the whole world with them, not just the immediate adversary. "The ultimate justice" they call it. The previous Ayatollah considered nukes to be against Islam for their indiscriminate nature, Jews don't have that prohibition. These people truly are "special".

[chaos]

Why I consider Israel to be the country most likely to use nukes. And the Jews will take down the whole world with them, not just the immediate adversary. "The ultimate justice" they call it. The previous Ayatollah considered nukes to be against Islam for their indiscriminate nature, Jews don't have that prohibition. These people truly are "special".

Any country run by ideology is a threat. isreal may be most likely, hopefully we'll not find out.

[Van_Bilderass]

Any country run by ideology is a threat. isreal may be most likely, hopefully we'll not find out.

Agreed, which is a rarity

[chaos]

Agreed, which is a rarity

[Van_Bilderass]

If someone hasn't listened to this Iranian they might think a bit differently about Iranians and Iran after listening. Might. Are they all just crazy and irrational? Does he have a point in some of what he says? He talks about the deal but also a lot about the surrounding history and their mentality. About terrorism.

[Humble Narcissist]

They are not made to be used. Though before the Feb 28 attack Trump said Iran was just days away from building nukes which they would immediately launch against Israel and the U.S. A few weeks later Trump said the U.S. had been monitoring 24/7 the sites with the material which had been bombed the previous June and they hadn't attempted to retrieve the material. What a bozo

I don't see why Iran doesn't just buy some nukes from Russia or China. Why waste time trying to reinvent the wheel?