Probodybuildingweekly and the PDI.

[bigdumbbell]

IFBB- $1.4 M purse/ 2006

PDI- $120,000 purse/ "potentially" 2006

and the ifbb's been around for how many decades? 

[Lift Studios]

Now that IS funny...........and TRUE.

Lift you are losing the battle with Jack.  He is obviously allot more educated, knowledagble in this industry than you are.  Your loyalty to the IFBB is commendable, but still stupid.  They were once great, and now the new kid is in town and they will be set back.  I don't think in fact know they won't go away, but they will take a back seat to the success and dominace of the PDI once the ball gets rolling.  It's going to happen so you'll have to live with it like all the other IFBB suck-ups.   

Not sure what battle I am losing with Jack, but whatever you need to tell yourself, knock yourself out. I'd hardly consider expressing where my loyalty is "sucking up". Not pretending to play sides - it's clear which side I am on. You said it right the PDI is the new kid in town - Much like the new kid in town, you'll be picked on, ridiculed and belittled until your prove yourself, which has yet to happen.

 

[Lift Studios]

I've competed in the NPC, I work with the local NPC, I write for NPC News - pretty clear where my loyalty is. I will refuse to work with any PDI athletes, that's my choice and as I business owner I am entitled to that. I'll be sure to send them your way Rob. I've declined to work with competitors and promoters of other organizations and not a big deal.

At the end of the day I can walk away from bodybuilding and still have a business. What's so hard to understand about that? If you want to talk about where the money is, it certainly isn't in bodybuilding for any organization. I do it because I enjoy it, not because I have to.

It's funny because none of us who are not BBers can really be loyal to either organization.  LIFT, will you refuse to work with any PDI athletes?  Bob, will you refuse to sit at a BBing.com booth at the NOC?  We're at best *support* personnel. 

If IFBB business dries up and PDI money is good, LIFT will be promoting a PDI guy, Bob will be at Wayne's shows, Perine will be writing about PDI shows, and Horton will be trying to sell pics of Priest and Taylor and RJ. 

You guys are loyal to a paycheck and to where the money is.  Tell me you won't take a PDI check if the IFBB can't pay you?  If you have kids to feed, you're going where the money is. 

All this talk about loyalties is funny.  You're going where the money is, when it's there. Period.  You can cry "I am loyal to the IFBB" but you're only loyal as long as there is money to be earned.

So everyone, on both sides, it's probably time to step back and realize we'll all be where the work and the money is.  Any talk about who is better/superior is just ass-kiss lipservice to try to get more work now.  In ten years, a new federation NOT called the ifbb OR the PDI might be the only game in town.  And we'll all be at that show talking about how we've always been loyal to that org.  So give up the honor talk.  Money talks.

[240 is Back]

I've competed in the NPC, I work with the local NPC, I write for NPC News - pretty clear where my loyalty is. I will refuse to work with any PDI athletes, that's my choice and as I business owner I am entitled to that. I'll be sure to send them your way Rob. I've declined to work with competitors and promoters of other organizations and not a big deal.

At the end of the day I can walk away from bodybuilding and still have a business. What's so hard to understand about that? If you want to talk about where the money is, it certainly isn't in bodybuilding for any organization. I do it because I enjoy it, not because I have to.

Sweet.  I do have a $25 referral program!  One guy has made $200 by sending me friends.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

IFBB- $1.4 M purse/ 2006

PDI- $120,000 purse/ "potentially" 2006

120,000 isn't really confirmed and you never know whether the checks will clear or not.   

[240 is Back]

120,000 isn't really confirmed and you never know whether the checks will clear or not.  

Actually, it's supposed to be 5 shows at $30k prize purse, so that'd be $150k.

And who cares, Vince.  You've never placed at a NPC show and you're not invited to the PDI.  I don't think you could place in a teen division dude.

[Lee_a_priest]

Yes, that is a VERY fair question....and I am more than willing to respond.  -- For starters, the scheduling of guests is a calculated process.  We try to offer up a rotation of guests that range from "flavor of the month" all the way to the more "iconic and historically significant".  The week to week increase in listenership would indicate that the formula is working.  

With regard to the PDI, we have chosen to ask nearly all of our guests to comment on what Wayne is doing (John Romano and Dorian Yates were very supportive, while others have expressed concerns).  Let's be reminded that we provided Vince Taylor with a large platform to announce his decision to "jump" to the PDI.  There is a LONG list of guests who we plan to welcome on the show.  

We are closing in on our 40th broadcast...and we are VERY aware of exactly "what" and "who" you're all waiting to hear from.  You'd also be surprised to know that our primary sponsors (MuscleTech, Bodybuilding.com, Flex Magazine) have all given us their blessing...without limits.  We realize that there are some of you who have an insatiable appetite for PDI developments.  We hear you loud and clear. --

Sorry if this response lacks the specifics that some of you desperatley need. Nevertheless, I'm glad to respond....and we appreciate the feedback.  

Oh bullshit.Stop asking athletes and just get Wayne on and ask him.

[Lee_a_priest]

To quote you... "Laughable."

"No politics, ever, on this radio station."  - Who are you kidding dude, there are politics in everything, don't pretend that that PDI and your radio will be any different.

I have a couple questions for you to get started...

Why did Lee and Vince decide to join Wayne's organization when they were the two most fined athletes in the IFBB, and these fines were handed down by Wayne? They complained about how they were fined, didn't get a fair shake and now they join the very individual who fined them.

Vince - Why did you lie to promoters and magazines to get your name out there when you had no intention in competing in the Colorado Pro at any point in time?

Vince - How can you complain about your placings and having the same judges late in your career; when you had no problem with those very judges awarding you top honors earlier on?

They were handed down by BEN his name and signature on the bottom of my letters.Wayne just passed it on to me.

[Lee_a_priest]

IFBB- $1.4 M purse/ 2006

PDI- $120,000 purse/ "potentially" 2006

Its a start Bob what was the IFBB's first purse when they started.Yes it was a different time but you have to start somewhere KNUCKLEHEAD.

[jaejonna]

Bob is a company man

[getfast81]

Bob is a company man

I did respect Bob.  But he is so damn two sided. Goes on the radio and praises the PDI because it can help the athletes and then once he hangs up with Dan he hops his hatin ass on here and blasts it.  Hey Chick make up your mind already.  Facts are facts brother and you are playin on both sides of the fence.  Just say you think the PDI is garbage and stick with it.  Get more respect if u went on bbradio and just said that.

[getfast81]

hmmmmmm

[thisiskeith12]

In my opinion, the PDI will do one show. It will be a laughing stock and it will then be over. Flex, M&F, Ironman, these media outlets will slam the show if it's not BETTER than some current IFBB shows. Bob will slam it if it's no good, and everyone else will too. They only have 2 or 3 quality athletes competing, so unless every show comes down to Priest and Taylor, it's going to suck.

[240 is Back]

In my opinion, the PDI will do one show. It will be a laughing stock and it will then be over. Flex, M&F, Ironman, these media outlets will slam the show if it's not BETTER than some current IFBB shows. Bob will slam it if it's no good, and everyone else will too. They only have 2 or 3 quality athletes competing, so unless every show comes down to Priest and Taylor, it's going to suck.

Do you think the O will have higher production value than the NOC? 

The O is cutting money- we see that from the mandalay move and the loss of the PPV.  Wayne is dumping some serious funds into making the NOC a success. You seen the venue? Nice place, next to a nice hotel, near times square. 

The athletes- we cannot comment on their quality yet, as half of them have not even declared yet.  It's 16 weeks away and many have contracts they are milking to the end.

[dearth]

IFBB- $1.4 M purse/ 2006

PDI- $120,000 purse/ "potentially" 2006

Bob it seems that your employer's (AMI) interest conflicts with
having more opportunities for the athletes you supposedely represent.

[Chick]

Bob it seems that your employer's (AMI) interest conflicts with
having more opportunities for the athletes you supposedely represent.

The athletes I represent are all under the IFBB. AMI runs a publication business...wheres the conflict?

I don't represent bodybuilding athletes worldwide, for any and all federations. Athletes can decide for themselves where their opportunities are...no one is standing in their way...least of all me.

[getfast81]

Yea.  Come on Bob just say you believe the PDI wont work and why.  I know you're for the athletes.  Would you discourage any from jumping?  Will Priest get blackballed?   Vince did years ago for other reasons.  The WBF guys did.  I really would love to hear your opinion on guys who would want to maybe  compete for both feds if it shows signs of success.  Competition is good for us all.  The fans and the pros.

[Chick]

I don't believe the PDI will work...for the simple reason that I don't believe there enough of a fan market, a demand, or sponsorship dollars to support it...

No, I would not discourage anyone from joining...quite the contrary, as I have advised more than a few to consider it as an alternative to the IFBB...

No, Priest will not get blackballed...he will get suspended for violation of the IFBB rules...he's very aware of that.

I don't necessarily concur with the notion that 2 federations are a win-win situiation...and have very good reason to believe that IF it was mildly sucessful...it might just water down the talent pool for EACH federation, and we would just end up with 2 federations with mediocre to poor results...

Only time will tell, and the people will either show their support for the PDI, or their disinterest...same with th best BBers in the world....money talks. So far, the money and opportunities to maake money from pro bb has been in the IFBB.

[bigdumbbell]

the talent pool who pose to hypnotic drug culture music...that talent pool?

[lonewolf]

This will address the problem of why Wayne has not been invited on the radio broadcast.
Very simply there has been an enormous amount of pressure put on those involved in Bodybuliding to prevent Wayne and his associates from gathering sponsors for their events. I know this will be vehemently denied by the powers that be. Please be aware that these people are in fear of losing any support they have from The IFBB and the NPC and that is the reason why Wayne has not been asked to appear on the show. My question is what the hell do you owe any of these dictators? They are trying to prevent you from expanding your own business. Wake up!

[getfast81]

I don't believe the PDI will work...for the simple reason that I don't believe there enough of a fan market, a demand, or sponsorship dollars to support it...

No, I would not discourage anyone from joining...quite the contrary, as I have advised more than a few to consider it as an alternative to the IFBB...

No, Priest will not get blackballed...he will get suspended for violation of the IFBB rules...he's very aware of that.

I don't necessarily concur with the notion that 2 federations are a win-win situiation...and have very good reason to believe that IF it was mildly sucessful...it might just water down the talent pool for EACH federation, and we would just end up with 2 federations with mediocre to poor results...

Only time will tell, and the people will either show their support for the PDI, or their disinterest...same with th best BBers in the world....money talks. So far, the money and opportunities to maake money from pro bb has been in the IFBB.

Ok.  I respect your opinion but you're saying that you think there is no fan base/support for another fed.  I know you read these boards and you might frequent other boards as well. Im no insider but I know for a fact that this board (which maybe small by comparison to the overall number of fans in bb) has hundreds possibly thousands of people who are in the belief that if you're Mr. O, you can show up and win.  We dont have to go over the names and years as everyone knows who i am speaking of. 

Fans as well as pros cannot be fooled anymore.  The guts, water, synthol, and etc is freaking irritating.  The past few Olympia productions have plain out sucked (I ordered the last 3 on ppv) and who the hell wants to pay their money to watch ronnie show up with distentions and injuries and beat out a jay cutler for tenth millionth time, phil heath who is on fire, or whoever. 

The IFBB thinks their the only game in town so they can feed fans anything.  Which is true to an extent.  I read flex and md.  I am going to watch obviously.  Now if we have an alternative where the judging isnt bias, your name doesnt win shows, and if your this companys' athlete you get favored I guarantee there will be support. Small maybe but it will be there.  The IFBB just needs to gain momentum again.  Bob you know the sport has lost out in popularity over the last 15 years.   And theyre doing little to get it back.  Its sad when Dexter Jackson sits out Olympias for the Arnold.  Poor production, less payday, known results.  And this is the ifbbs trophy contest.

But as a fan Ill watch because I love it.  It will be a great battle for 2nd again this year.

[240 is Back]

Our show isn't controlled by anyone but Dan and myself. WE pick who WE want to interview, and who WE think would be good guests.

So do you not want Wayne as a guest, Bob?

If Wayne doesn't want to do the show anyway...what is the issue?

Wayne DOES want to do the show!

We had Titus/ Kelly on to tell the world of their "federation" plans

Why allow Titus' federation- when he has 1000 times LESS experience than Wayne and NO athletes?  Did you take his more seriously?

[dr.chimps]

I don't believe the PDI will work...for the simple reason that I don't believe there enough of a fan market, a demand, or sponsorship dollars to support it...
 

I tell ya I hope you are wrong. I would rather sink/die with a group trying to do something new, something to address the wrongs of the past, than one with well known history of beggaring their competitors (hell, treating them like indentured slaves if we are to be totally honest), deceiving/ripping off those that support it (the 'fans') through  misinformation and more. The IFBB/Weider/AMI is like the Roman Empire that is rotting from within: Christianity has infiltrated and the Huns are at the gate. I hope it falls.

/rant over. go back to what you were doing everybody.   

[bigdumbbell]

'I don't believe the PDI will work...for the simple reason that I don't believe there enough of a fan market, a demand, or sponsorship dollars to support it...'

oh ok and what overhead does the PDI carry currently?  a magazine?  debt?  over inflated salaries? bonuses?  please tell us..thanks in advance.

[onlyme]

What's funny is the PDI with Wayne's money and his partner alone probably have as much if not more than the IFBB and without any debt. 

I need to know doesn't AMI own the IFBB now, or is it just the Olympia they own and the magazines.

And other than the prize money and expo, the NOC will be a better and more extravagant and probably expensive show as the Olympia.  With it being downsized so much to the Orleans.  Remember Wayne knows how to put on a show, the IFBB, AMI or Manion do not know how to put on the Olympia.  It has shown since they took over.  So not much debate on that subject