Al Queda #2 man caught......

[240 is Back]

Al,

Is that bin laden on the tape?  yes or no.

[Nordic Superman]

Popular mechanics was recently embarassed on a radio show when they were proven to be making up facts, redirecting questions, and straight up lying.  They have refused any more radi ointerview requests.  The jig is up.

Evidence?

[Al-Gebra]

Al,

Is that bin laden on the tape?  yes or no.

240, it pains me that you keep disowning me . . . of course i believe it's a fake. they're all fakes b/c one of them might be a fake.  and of course i believe it's the only thread of evidence by which the whole iraq war hangs. we must cut through this thread.

[Al-Gebra]

Absolutely. we've presented them with persuasive evidence from sites like the americanfreepress.com, the7thfire.com, etc. 

we've also presented them with evidence from other sites who realize that "journalistic accountability" is just another tool used by the man.

we've also used the 9/11 commission and NIST reports as they're supposed to be used. We know that we should completely ignore them as the man puts them out.

Everyone knows that people on the fringes of society (some with suicidal tendencies) are super reliable. We've also found theologians and middle-eastern studies teaching assistants to comment on structural engineering issues.  we've also found people who apparently know about structural engineering, but are still willing to go on record about stuff they've never tested. WHo needs labs?

After all, all the 9/11 debris was shipped to China.

Man, we've found a lot of stuff for these people, and yet . . . Goddamn this brood of unbelieving vipers. Goddamn you all!!!!!

PS. don't forget our use of highly reliable google video. WHo needs the New York Times when we have youtube?

[240 is Back]

240, it pains me that you keep disowning me . . . of course i believe it's a fake. they're all fakes b/c one of them might be a fake.  and of course i believe it's the only thread of evidence by which the whole iraq war hangs. we must cut through this thread.

So if the tape is fake, what evidence exists that bin laden was in any way connected to 911?

Zero.

See why I'm concerned?  The CIA said the tape is real and 911 was all his fault. If they faked the tape, then I sure as hell don't trust them to tell the truth about the 911 attacks a month earlier.  

[Nordic Superman]

PS. don't forget our use of highly reliable google video. WHo needs the New York Times when we have youtube?

This along with poor shitty un-professional websites sums up 240's "proof".

But he will continue to say: "NY Times, BBC, Fox all have their arms twisted behind their backs by the goverment."

[240 is Back]

Al gebra - you cannot discount google and youtube video.  It shows video clips of events which tend to disappear off of media websites when politics call for it.  Have you not seen all the stuff the major news sites pulled off their sites after 911?

There are many holes in the official 911 story.  And without that fake tape, there is no connection to 911 for bin laden.  Why did the CIA lie?  Who is truly responsible?  Usually, when someone shifts blame, it's because THEY have something to hide.  What motive does the CIA have to essentuially "frame" bin laden?

[Al-Gebra]

So if the tape is fake, what evidence exists that bin laden was in any way connected to 911?

Zero.

See why I'm concerned?  The CIA said the tape is real and 911 was all his fault. If they faked the tape, then I sure as hell don't trust them to tell the truth about the 911 attacks a month earlier.   

yeah, I agree. I think we should also not ever mention all of what Bruce Lawrence says on this matter . . . even though he is the Bin Laden expert we like to mention in passing.

[240 is Back]

This along with poor shitty un-professional websites sums up 240's "proof".

But he will continue to say: "NY Times, BBC, Fox all have their arms twisted behind their backs by the goverment."

I've said many times that both sides have scientists and websites proving their point.  That it's hard to believe either side compeltely because no matter where you stand, 50% of the info out there is wrong.

use your eyes and evidence that is part of the public record.
'
1993 FBI WTC involvement - on public record and no one ever denied it from the FBI.
2001 Nov OBL tape - use your eyes to look at it - that isn't him.

[240 is Back]

yeah, I agree. I think we should also not ever mention all of what Bruce Lawrence says on this matter . . . even though he is the Bin Laden expert we like to mention in passing.

Please share what he said.  I'm interested in info from all angles.  This is huge, and I might be wrong.  i'd LOVE to be wrong, and see solid proof that bin laden did 911.

But so far, all they've given us is this video, with a man who is shorter, fatter, and has a different nose and skull than OBL.

[Al-Gebra]

I've said many times that both sides have scientists and websites proving their point.  \

and we know that we must give both sides equal credibility . . . even if one side keeps the US going and the other side is composed mostly of people ranching in Montana and Utah other backwaters of the world.

[Dos Equis]

This thread is hilarious!!!   

[240 is Back]

and we know that we must give both sides equal credibility . . . even if one side keeps the US going and the other side is composed mostly of people ranching in Montana and Utah other backwaters of the world.

or, one side has an unlimited budget and is politically motivated.

and the other is a group of bi-partisan scholars, students, and everyday people who just want the truth.

Who do you trust more to tell the truth?

[Al-Gebra]

or, one side has an unlimited budget and is politically motivated.

and the other is a group of bi-partisan scholars, students, and everyday people who just want the truth.

Who do you trust more to tell the truth?

everyday people know best about national security . . . hell, we protect our houses, and the country is just a real big house. I trust the scholars and students . . . hell, they're educated and getting educated.  In fact, I think I'm going to have one of the 9/11 scholars do my rotator cuff surgery . . . they're such Renaissance men.

[Al-Gebra]

Hmmmmmmm? things to consider.

[240 is Back]

You know how children often laugh at funerals because they're feeling confused, awkward, and unable to process the info in front of them?  I'd liken your mocking to that. 

911 was the most important event of our lifetimes.  There is visual evidence that the only piece of evidence pointing to the guilty one behind it is faked.  It's incredible that this doesn't matter to you.

[Faust]

Hmm....

Imagine he shaves his beard, moves to Canada and stays out of the sun for a while...




If you look closely at the second picture there's a Mossad agent telephoning to George Bush about Pearl Harbour.

[Patricku9]

how many times have we caught the #2 man ? always before an election,soon the we'll go up to threat level orange again.

[Mr. Intenseone]

how many times have we caught the #2 man ? always before an election,soon the we'll go up to threat level orange again.

When one is cought another takes over. Besides there's like 60 something days before the election, it's not like it's next week !!

[Hedgehog]

It is fun to mock, huh?  I have presented an argument this am that
1- the 93 WTC attacks had FBI involvement
2- the nov 2001 tape is fake
3- there is no real proof connecting bin laden to 911 at all.

And you mock me with this immature stuff, huh?

I think you're scared to face the facts here.

The problem as I see it 240 or bust, is that you're doing classic mistake in asking people to either believe everything you say, or nothing at all.

No, you don't write it out in the clear.

But when you associate so many of these situations with each other, it makes it harder to agree with you on each individual matter.

While many would probably agree that the man on the latest Osama tapes may not be Osama bin Laden, many are reluctant to come across as believers in a 9-11 conspiracy.

I believe there was some election cheating, and I'd like that to be further investigated, I believe the voting system needs a complete system checkup.

I don't see any connection to a 9-11 however.

In no way I would believe the Bush Administration to be part of an attack its own nation.

I agree with you in some issues, in other i completely disagree. What I am saying is, to argue your points, perhaps you should choose to simply point out the wrongs in the particular case and not refer to the 9-11 as well.

YIP
Zack

[240 is Back]

The problem as I see it 240 or bust, is that you're doing classic mistake in asking people to either believe everything you say, or nothing at all.

No, you don't write it out in the clear.

But when you associate so many of these situations with each other, it makes it harder to agree with you on each individual matter.

While many would probably agree that the man on the latest Osama tapes may not be Osama bin Laden, many are reluctant to come across as believers in a 9-11 conspiracy.

I believe there was some election cheating, and I'd like that to be further investigated, I believe the voting system needs a complete system checkup.

I don't see any connection to a 9-11 however.

In no way I would believe the Bush Administration to be part of an attack its own nation.

I agree with you in some issues, in other i completely disagree. What I am saying is, to argue your points, perhaps you should choose to simply point out the wrongs in the particular case and not refer to the 9-11 as well.

YIP
Zack

I guess, I see it as...

if the govt will falsely blame OBL in 93 - which the recordings show they did....
and if the govt will create evidence to blame OBL in Nov 2001... which thee fake tape shows they did...
(and both of these things was done to create fear in people, and in 01, to justify a war)

why do people completely rule out the possibility that 911 was done to create fear and justify a war?  I'm not asking for a conviction here... I'm asking for another investigation.  In any trial, wouldn't this be enough *probable cause* to justify a new investigation?

[240 is Back]

In no way I would believe the Bush Administration to be part of an attack its own nation.

Would you believe, at all, that the White house let the 1993 WTC bombings happen/go completely uninvestigated?

The chief culprit here met with the head of teh NY FBI several times.  The FBI gave him the truck, the bombs, and where to park it.  They said it was just a drill.  The Arab pawn thought he was being set up and tape recorded the meeting.  However, this recording, played on the news and heralded by his defense attorney, was only talked about on the news for one day.

Then it was prevented from coming into trial.  The media wouldn't touch the story anymore. 

hedge, our country has used false-flag terror attacks in the past to get public opinion/justification for certain policies.  Do you consider this possibility at all (once you do, it makes 911 easier to swallow)

[Hedgehog]

Would you believe, at all, that the White house let the 1993 WTC bombings happen/go completely uninvestigated?

I'm going to make a serious effort to read what material there is on that.



YIP
Zack

[240 is Back]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html

here is a starting point (from a website which will take heat of course) but will give you the names and events to assist your search:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html

[Royalty]

people died for your right to question shady evidence.  When it is presented to you, you mock it.

in your opinion how accurate was Oliver Stones's "JFK" and "Nixon"?