well, see, thats why cutler isnt a cripple yet, he does the smart thing, focussing on muscle contraction, the drugs and food will do the rest.
lifting heavier doesnt equal lifting more intense, the latter can be much harder and give better growth.see powerlifters vs bodybuildrs, both are on enough drugs, whats making them look so different?
The point of this thread is that gh15 is apparently "full of shit," and to this point your friend contends bbers train really hard, contrary to what gh claims. I don't know what his perspective is, but anyone with eyes can see bodybuilders, for the most part, don't do anything hard, contrary to what is commonly espoused in the mainstream bodybuilding press.
Is it grueling? Probably... but what job, done day in and day out isn't? Do bodybuilders work harder than powerlifters? I don't know, they both seem like relatively undemanding 'sports' to me.
People who claim you have to "push yourself to the limits" and "grind out sets with incredible intensity" are either pussies who'd cry over a chipped nail, delusional, or lying assholes -- often times all three. Actually, there's a fourth category, probably the biggest of them all, "wishful thinkers." Our culture is so fucked up we're brought up to believe you can do anything, be anything, blah blha blha if only you "put your mind to it" and "work harder than everyone else." People actually believe this and that's why, when they succeed, as in the case of a professional bber, they always talk about their dedication and iron-like resolve. As if this
really had anything to do with their success!
Anyway, flocks of noobs eat it up, and try to follow in their footsteps. When they inevitably fail by the
drove they lose their faith and go looking for "secrets" (which usually end up doing double time as "excuses") to
rationalize explain their failure. Getbig is (or used to be, especially during the height of the gh15 era) filled with such sad cases.
The real "secret" is that there is no
simple answer. The existence of a professional bber can be attributed to many things, drugs, genetics, connections, personality, willingness to take it in the ass, etc. etc. etc. People always want a simple answer to explain their success or failure. In the case of a pro or a hopeful noob, they turn to "willpower." In the case of a bitter failure it's generally "drugs," said with as much hate as they can muster.
In the grand scheme of things, the voices shouting "hard work" are about a million times louder than those shouting "all drugs," which is why I liked gh15. Though the answer isn't as simple as either side wants it to be, kids the world over who want to be bodybuilders find themselves overwhelmed by an incomplete picture, largely painted by the supplement industry, which has a big gaping hole where the syringe ought to be. gh15 added a few much-needed brush strokes of his own to the portrait.
Anyway the majority of this stuff your friend is saying lines up with what gh15 said anyway. seems like it mostly boils down to some quibbling about whether tren is essential or not, fascinating.
