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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4375 on: December 17, 2020, 06:05:13 AM »


A possible game changer to tackle and prevent coronavirus with a nasal spray solution that has an ingredient that’s found in commonly used Xclear, which alleviates congestion.

“The nasal spray is available in the market. It has been in the market for about 20 years," Ferrer said. "My group and I have done research on it, and it shows that it is helping people with chronic virus sinus issues."


Ferrer and researchers in Utah and Geneva have completed successful in vitro testing to combat COVID-19.

Now, the results from those clinical trials are being sent to the FDA for approval.

“Our hope that with the research is it will prove that it’s safe and effective," Ferrer said. "It actually decreases the symptoms as we have observed in a small controlled group of patients of people that we have tested.”

https://cbs12.com/news/local/south-florida-researcher-works-to-clear-icu-beds-nasal-spray-treatment-for-covid-19

Potential Role of Xylitol Plus Grapefruit Seed Extract Nasal Spray Solution in COVID-19: Case Series

Published online 2020 Nov 3

"In summary, the three patients reported in this article, with minimal to moderate risk for morbidity and mortality from COVID-19, demonstrated an improvement in the symptoms and a reduction in the clinical course post use of xylitol plus GSE in the form of a nasal spray, commercially available as Xlear nasal spray, as an adjunct to their ongoing treatment. This combination could play a potential role in improving the outcome in mild to moderate COVID-19 patients."

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4376 on: December 17, 2020, 07:27:25 AM »
The same communist compliance techniques of the 1950's are being implemented for CONvid-1984

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4377 on: December 28, 2020, 04:06:34 PM »
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Fauci’s lies cost Trump the Presidency and the media played along
Flopping Aces ^ | 12/28/20 | DrJohn
Posted on 12/28/2020, 5:35:41 PM by Starman417

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Dr. Anthony Fauci recently admitted that he lied about COVID 19. Specifically, he lied about herd immunity and PPE.

We'll come back to that shortly.

In an interview with Bob Woodward Trump acknowledged how dangerous the Wuhan virus was

The president said the coronavirus was "more deadly" than "even your strenuous flus," and difficult to address because "it goes through air."
He also admitted downplaying its severity- for a reason
"I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic,"
He didn't want to create a panic or a run on PPE. Remember that.
For this, he was excoriated endlessly

In his twisted, narcissistic mind, Trump no doubt believes this admission casts him in a positive light. Here’s the concerned national patriarch risking his own credibility to keep Americans from freaking out and doing who knows what. Maybe making a run on the grocery stores, canceling vacations and pulling kids out of school? Well, good thing that didn’t happen. Oh, wait — it did.
And more
He would have supported the sensible recommendations of his own health experts, rather than repeatedly trying to muzzle and sideline them while pushing unproven miracle cures. He would have donned a face mask the minute researchers made it clear that wearing one would protect people from infection.
Face masks? The recommendations of his own experts? This expert?
"Right now, in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks," Fauci said during the interview. "There's no reason to be walking around with a mask."
Back to Fauci. Fauci admitted he lied about the Wuhan virus- more than once.   He lied about herd immunity:
In a Christmas Eve interview with the New York Times, Fauci acknowledged he had offered a lower estimate of the level of herd immunity necessary to stop the COVID-19 pandemic because he thought Americans would be discouraged by hearing his true thoughts on the issue.
He recently raised his estimate on the herd immunity threshold "partly based on new science," the newspaper reported, "and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks."

He told us what he thought we wanted to hear- and for the sake of polls
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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4378 on: December 28, 2020, 06:35:37 PM »
For the past 5 years we've averaged a 15.8% positive rate for the flu by week 51.  This year it's a paltry 0.10%.  Where did the flu go this year?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JXUW_6CF4e04iAWyC_MU23SY6scEYUo4GKEXmQUhHbo/edit#gid=1095809895

For the past 3 years there have been an average of 176 annual infant deaths from the flu.  This year there's been 1.

But there have been at least 20 infant deaths attributed to COVID. https://www.kmov.com/news/debunking-myths-about-covid-19-in-infants/article_35b1dc52-0575-11eb-9d18-6727cfc89683.html


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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4379 on: December 29, 2020, 08:32:33 AM »
This has nothing to do with classifying the flu as Covid in 2020 and anyone that thinks otherwise is not obeying corporate media talking points.  >:(



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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4380 on: December 29, 2020, 09:57:04 AM »
Any MSM journalist pointing this out would probably be fired.

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« Reply #4381 on: December 29, 2020, 09:57:55 AM »
So remind me again why idiots are wearing a mask outside?
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https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-coronavirus-rare-impossible.html

"There were virtually no cases that we could identify that took place in sort of everyday life outdoors," study author Mike Weed, a professor and researcher at Canterbury Christ Church University, told AFP.

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« Reply #4382 on: December 29, 2020, 10:06:36 AM »
So remind me again why idiots are wearing a mask outside?
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https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-coronavirus-rare-impossible.html

"There were virtually no cases that we could identify that took place in sort of everyday life outdoors," study author Mike Weed, a professor and researcher at Canterbury Christ Church University, told AFP.
You wear a mask outside to virtue signal everyone of what a good sheep you are.  I can't stand seeing these fucktards using a masked pic as an avatar or a facebook photo.  Usually a college aged woman.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4383 on: December 29, 2020, 10:14:18 AM »
You wear a mask outside to virtue signal everyone of what a good sheep you are.  I can't stand seeing these fucktards using a masked pic as an avatar or a facebook photo.  Usually a college aged woman.

I love how these liberal failures who like straw are fat and obese and out of shape year round scream "The science!!!!"   Yet the so called science also says vitamin D deficiency is big, so is being a obese slob, etc.  So these fat bastids staying home and inside binging on cookies and cake and all sorts of crap who can barely stand up off the couch can F off. 

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4384 on: December 29, 2020, 11:09:41 AM »
IF - we accept that an event like this causes mass infection

Then what's the logic of proceeding to distribute the 'infected' people around the globe as 'punishment'..?..?


"Australia's immigration minister has said that backpackers and other foreign visitors caught flouting public health restrictions could be deported.

Alex Hawke said he was shocked by scenes from Sydney's Bronte Beach on Christmas Day.

Videos of the gathering shared on social media showed hordes of young revellers singing and dancing in breach of coronavirus regulations.

Some eyewitnesses said many of those present were British"




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55471235
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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4385 on: December 29, 2020, 11:27:37 AM »
388 people under 60 have died in the UK from Covid19.

Yes, thats right 388

Oh and our precious NHS workers who are working their fingers to the bone on 30th Sept 78,4000 of them threw a sick day from work.

I have been visiting someone in hospital for the last two weeks, the place is a fucking ghost town, empty corridors

A security guard with learning difficulties having a meltdown because he didnt know what a medical exemption from wearing a mask was..

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« Reply #4386 on: December 29, 2020, 02:40:22 PM »
Wow! There sure are were a lot of people over 60 in the U.K.

United Kingdom Covid Cases Overview

United Kingdom
Total cases 2.74M
Deaths 74,679

Im not making it up, those are the figures on the Gov.uk website people under 60 who had no comorbidities

You have more chance of drowning in the UK if you are under 60 and healthy

And the 74k is people who died "with covid" not "from covid"

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4387 on: December 29, 2020, 02:42:37 PM »
This has nothing to do with classifying the flu as Covid in 2020 and anyone that thinks otherwise is not obeying corporate media talking points.  >:(




The CDC has said that Flu has disappeared because of people wearing masks, they also say Covid is spreading because people are not wearing masks..

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« Reply #4388 on: December 29, 2020, 02:48:52 PM »
The CDC has said that Flu has disappeared because of people wearing masks, they also say Covid is spreading because people are not wearing masks..

Lmao you said it bro! Hahaha

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« Reply #4389 on: December 29, 2020, 02:56:56 PM »
The CDC has said that Flu has disappeared because of people wearing masks, they also say Covid is spreading because people are not wearing masks..

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4390 on: December 30, 2020, 10:22:15 AM »
Teachers Unions Must Never Be Allowed To Ban Kids From An Education Again
The Federalist ^ | December 30, 2020 | Daniel Buck
Posted on 12/30/2020, 12:38:03 PM




As an adult who teaches, I got to choose an open school. Union politics have now barred millions of families from a similar privilege.

I don’t blame schools for closing in March. Very little was known about COVID-19 then, so closures seemed the safest decision amid the uncertainty.

Neither do I blame schools for a meager showing that semester. My own district threw together online curricula and instructional materials practically overnight. The results were dismal, but it’s the best many could have done given the situation.

However, we’ve now had nine months to understand this virus, and all the evidence favors returning to in-person instruction. Studies have found that schools are not in fact the “super spreaders” many feared. Dr. Anthony Fauci himself has said to “close the bars and keep the schools open.”

Perhaps some schools in hot-spots ought to close, but they should do so for genuine safety concerns, not fear of consequences at the next election. Citing the social, emotional, and academic benefits of in-person learning, The American Association of Pediatrics “strongly advocates” for open schools everywhere possible.

Nonetheless, the majority of our nation’s children have spent the last nine months staring at a computer screen at home, clicking through homework links or simply opting to not show up. One institution bears significant guilt for this state of affairs: teacher’s unions.

Cato Institute researcher Corey DeAngelis crunched the numbers and confirmed what many suspected: school closures had more to do with union power than pandemic concerns. When he reviewed the decisions that various districts and schools made to open or close, he found that the data correlated more closely with the strength of policies favorable to unions than to case counts and deaths.

The politics get more ludicrous. Unions have protested when school officials set open dates. While discussing school openings, the Los Angeles teachers union also demanded a wealth tax and Medicare for All. A number of unions banded together with the Socialists of America on a resolution to “demand safe schools,” only to eschew discussions of safe openings to instead decry charter schools and suggest cancellation of rent.

At the end of last semester, I decided to change districts to one that would open. Some of my students have had to quarantine. However, with masks, social distancing, and hand sanitizer, we’ve had no local spread; we’ve traced our positive cases to external exposures. We’ve had no disastrous outbreak.

Rather, we have spent our year so far discussing books, playing vocabulary games, running football plays at recess, learning subjects and predicates, decorating my room with Christmas lights, and doing everything a school ought to do: promoting socialization, academic development, and mental health.

As an adult, I got to choose an open school. Union politics have now barred millions of families from a similar privilege.

The academic losses are severe. In June, The New York Times reported months’ worth of learning losses because of school closures. Fewer than half of students showed up during that first semester online. While attendance has improved the learning loss continues, especially among poor and minority students.

After a critical response, the Chicago Teachers Union deleted a tweet insinuating that the push to open schools comes from “racism, sexism, and misogyny.” Considering who these learning losses affect most, it’s quite the opposite.

If enrollment numbers are any determinant of public opinion, then school openings appear wildly popular. The superintendent of Boston Catholic Schools reported an increase of 4,000 students after they made their announcement to open. Other districts have seen similar trends. Families are voting with their feet, many opting out of public education for any in-person schooling available.

If nothing else, this situation is a clear example of both union power and their disregard for student concerns. Families, teachers, and taxpayers cannot truly influence school decisions when union members have the power to strike, undue influence in local elections, and the purse of their national affiliates.

The American Federation of Teachers gave more in political donations than the boogie-man Koch Industries did in 2020. Teachers unions have long been a dominant force in local and national politics, both in funding and manpower.

While the worst of the pandemic closures seem nigh over, there’s a clear policy moving forward that can protect students from similar sways of union fickleness: school choice. Zipcodes locked students into closed schools during the pandemic, and only those with means could look elsewhere.

A few others chose “pandemic pods” but even that forces the opportunity cost of staying home from a job. They should have had the freedom to look elsewhere without legal consequences, but our current laws kept them from doing so.

It’s time to continue legislative victories that weaken the sway of government unions over American education. The Supreme Court decision Janus v. AFSCME ensured that no public school teachers need to pay union dues if they do not want to. Local laws in many states increased austerity measures to ensure they don’t follow Detroit’s lead and bankrupt themselves from over-promised, union-bargained pensions. School choice would similarly allow any family to select a school that is less beholden to union pressure.

Unions do not care for students. The pandemic has made this abundantly clear. They’ve lost prestige in many people’s minds from this. It’s right that they continue to lose political power too.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4391 on: December 30, 2020, 10:53:40 AM »
Did I say you were fabricating those figures? Also, I don't see where I used the words from or with in my reply. The article didn't differentiate between the two. However when you change the word 'from' to 'with' in google and the exact same article comes up....with the exact same numbers.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&hs=jK8&sxsrf=ALeKk004LPhGRfA7VG8x6j_tOY3Kw-FKCQ%3A1609288492294&ei=LMvrX4y9EYnc-gSdubSoCw&q=how+many+people+in+the+UK+have+died+with+covid%3F&oq=how+many+people+in+the+UK+have+died+with+covid%3F&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoECAAQR1CxhRBY2IsQYLWXEGgAcAN4AIABUIgBqAKSAQE0mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBB8ABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiMg7LnuvTtAhUJrp4KHZ0cDbUQ4dUDCAw&uact=5

The Daily Mail which which reported the stats you provided uses the word 'of' covid

388 people aged under 60 with 'NO underlying health conditions' have died of Covid in England's hospitals.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9090847/Only-377-people-aged-60-no-underlying-health-conditions-died-Covid-UK.html

Yes, "of" covid means you died from covid alone, "with" covid means various things, it can mean you tested positive but died of cancer or dementia or a multitude of other causes.
They have even used the word "with" covid even if the person who has died hasn't even had a test.

The figures have been vastly inflated, and thats in every single country in Europe.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4392 on: December 30, 2020, 11:58:53 AM »
The Daily Mail is rated as having a 'right' bias. The Daily Mail figures concur with yours. The Daily Mail used the term 'of' and not 'with'. In my original post, I used the term 'from'. While I don't disagree with your definition of these words, I believe they are often used interchangeably or without giving them the finite meaning that you do.

Regardless of whether people died from, of or with Covid, I did not disagree with your figures. I was simply surprised that such an overwhelming majority (like almost all) of the Covid deaths were people over 60. If they'd taken it a step further, and discounted pre-existing conditions, the people under 60 who died of or from Covid would be almost nil. Don't you agree?

Whether or not Covid numbers are inflated is not part of this original conversation or the first post, which was by you.

Its 388 people who have died under 60 from covid alone, without pre-existing conditions.

There are more under 60 that have died with pre-existing conditions.

I think we are basically in agreement but sen to be at cross purposes over the definitions.

The UK uses the term "died within 28 days of a positive diagnosis"

I have an 88 year old friend who is in hospital at the moment with various conditions but not covid as she has had 4 tests whilst in there.

I guarantee if she doesnt pull through she will have Covid mentioned on her death certificate.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4393 on: December 30, 2020, 01:51:57 PM »
Im not making it up, those are the figures on the Gov.uk website people under 60 who had no comorbidities

You have more chance of drowning in the UK if you are under 60 and healthy

And the 74k is people who died "with covid" not "from covid"

Yes, this really f**ks me off too  >:(

The other annoying one is that they talk about the number of positive test results rising, but they never do it as a percentage of tests being carried out - if you're doing a hundred times more tests, of course the number of positives will rise

Those corrected CIR figures are probably tucked away on some website somewhere, but they never seen to surface

The other number that was reported at the beginning but seems to have dropped away, was a figure for those who have recovered - i.e. the good news.  You can see them on the first few pages of this thread (which BTW are quite funny now in hindsight)

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4394 on: December 30, 2020, 02:02:28 PM »

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« Reply #4395 on: December 30, 2020, 04:39:32 PM »
Yes, this really f**ks me off too  >:(

The other annoying one is that they talk about the number of positive test results rising, but they never do it as a percentage of tests being carried out - if you're doing a hundred times more tests, of course the number of positives will rise

Those corrected CIR figures are probably tucked away on some website somewhere, but they never seen to surface

The other number that was reported at the beginning but seems to have dropped away, was a figure for those who have recovered - i.e. the good news.  You can see them on the first few pages of this thread (which BTW are quite funny now in hindsight)



Yesterday they said they had 53,000 new cases in the UK
There are 90 testing centres, that means each testing centre would had had to have had at least 96 positive cases every hour of the 6 hours they are open..

There is a testing centre near me that is always empty..

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« Reply #4396 on: December 31, 2020, 05:11:15 AM »
Yesterday they said they had 53,000 new cases in the UK
There are 90 testing centres, that means each testing centre would had had to have had at least 96 positive cases every hour of the 6 hours they are open..

There is a testing centre near me that is always empty..

Joswift and another maths fail  :D

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« Reply #4397 on: December 31, 2020, 05:52:09 AM »
Joswift and another maths fail  :D
sorry it was 98.1481481481 per hour ,my bad

53,000 divided by 90 =588.888888889 positive tests per station
Divide that by six hours =98.1481481481 per hour

Or half an apple....

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4398 on: January 01, 2021, 03:39:31 PM »
I love how these liberal failures who like straw are fat and obese and out of shape year round scream "The science!!!!"   Yet the so called science also says vitamin D deficiency is big, so is being a obese slob, etc.  So these fat bastids staying home and inside binging on cookies and cake and all sorts of crap who can barely stand up off the couch can F off.

This is also funny.  Even though I suspect me and my family had this back at the beginning that's just a guess.  I know personally of only two people that have had this actually confirmed since March - both very obese - both had visits to hospital but have recovered

And even though we've been told that obesity is a risk factor, people talk about putting weight on during lockdown!! 'COVID spread' *sigh*  ::)



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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #4399 on: January 01, 2021, 04:03:49 PM »
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Liar!!!!Filt!!!!