Dorian Yates steroid cycles from his own mouth

[Stavios]

You never read me carefully. I have never ever said every pro uses 5 grams of test year round. Don't get it twisted. I don't recommend/advocate megadoses and I don't think every pro is on 5G test year round, but from experience a certain dose range/choice of products correspond to a certain size range/look on average. There are some differences, but we are all human.
No amount of mental drive makes a pro transcend human genetics. Dorian was maybe the freakiest thing ever seen in 1993 and a considerable amount of drugs went into going where no one had gone before.

Someone posted the Chris Street cycle here recently and I said the products and timing looked legit perhaps. The doses not so much. Not quite realistic. Using some common sense and experience I'm confident Dorian did way more at times especially off season, even before winning the Olympia. I remember pics of him when he arrived at the scene with severe cystic acne and bloat that does not correspond to the doses mentioned. I've seen post contest photo shoots of Dorian where he is holding a layer of water that does not match the doses given... and IME is not simply the result of water rebound due to 3 days of aldactone.
It's common sense that Dorian used lots of all the ingredients that allowed him, or anyone, to grow to the size he did, which was breaking new ground in 93. Those idiots on MD argued Yates never touched insulin. How realistic is that? Even you know it's not realistic. If I had to bet I'd bet DNP was included too in 1993... it can help quite a bit to be bigger in contest shape than before its use. But some things are just not put on paper. Insulin, DNP especially. "Ooooh some kid might get hurt and people will look down on me!"

You are so far mixed up with liars that you can't tell the truth anyore, lest you lose customers and goodwill in the community. You defend liars such as Ron Harris, Tim Martin, Skip Pancake/Phil Heath, Castleberry etc etc.

Now, Dante, care to comment on your jackass buddy Massive G's cycle prescriptions? This guy is preaching "600mg puts slabs of muscle on anyone and no one should ever use more". Yet he gives this cycle to a 180lb guy (I'm guessing on what he weighed in comp then), and the guy felt sick and had to stop.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=385567.75

So if you complain about gh15's "insane" dosage quotes maybe you should check the insanity in your own circle. Not even gh15 would recommend dosages like that. Not even close.

Great post

[suckmymuscle]

Pellius puts out consistent good intelligent posts. Every thread you start is a huge backfire and you end up getting made fun of and humiliated.

  No, I disagree. And you are just another idiot I have owned into oblivion a trillion times.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

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Now, Dante, care to comment on your jackass buddy Massive G's cycle prescriptions? This guy is preaching "600mg puts slabs of muscle on anyone and no one should ever use more". Yet he gives this cycle to a 180lb guy (I'm guessing on what he weighed in comp then), and the guy felt sick and had to stop.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=385567.75

So if you complain about gh15's "insane" dosage quotes maybe you should check the insanity in your own circle. Not even gh15 would recommend dosages like that. Not even close.

Now, Dante, care to comment on your jackass buddy Massive G's cycle prescriptions? This guy is preaching "600mg puts slabs of muscle on anyone and no one should ever use more". Yet he gives this cycle to a 180lb guy (I'm guessing on what he weighed in comp then), and the guy felt sick and had to stop.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=385567.75

So if you complain about gh15's "insane" dosage quotes maybe you should check the insanity in your own circle. Not even gh15 would recommend dosages like that. Not even close.[/b]

Now, Dante, care to comment on your jackass buddy Massive G's cycle prescriptions? This guy is preaching "600mg puts slabs of muscle on anyone and no one should ever use more". Yet he gives this cycle to a 180lb guy (I'm guessing on what he weighed in comp then), and the guy felt sick and had to stop.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=385567.75

So if you complain about gh15's "insane" dosage quotes maybe you should check the insanity in your own circle. Not even gh15 would recommend dosages like that. Not even close.[/color][/b]

WE'RE ALL EARS DANTA.COME SAVE FRIEND MASSIVAGINA NOW.


REPTILE SKIN.

[makaveli25]

  No, I disagree. And you are just another idiot I have owned into oblivion a trillion times.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Ohh brother 

[gh15]

its enough to read van b ONCE to understand you have here a big in the knwo type of fella,, while danta...he wil go on and on with hsi shticks,, will always try to sell you some new raised bionic cow protien and will do it on STEROID BOARDINGS!,,

thats the diff fellas,, on one hand van b ...honest ,, in the know fella,, wiht vast knowledge about hormones and their applications including chemical knowledge ,, and then on the other hand...some local supp pusher who climbed to be local guru and then made up some balonie exercises and put his name on it ....its a poor version of mishko ...americana style,, the diff is mishkp competed in highest levels...danta....compet ed in highest level too ...the donut eating highest level

gh15 approved

[pellius]

Maybe you need to use an AI to you fat swollen mess 

Big Bone! He's just Big Boned!

[pellius]

  Lol, I think it is hilarious how angry you get just because I am more intelligent than you. I figure you wouldn't get so angry over this, since there are a lot of people more intelligent than you and you are probably pretty used to feeling like the least smart person everywhere you go.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Yup Stupid, you have me furious. Your 260 IQ is too much for me. It's hilarious how angry I get, Stupid. I don't know what I'm going to do. Maybe I'll start typing in all caps.

[pellius]

 No, I disagree. And you are just another idiot I have owned into oblivion a trillion times.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

You have owned everybody, um, a trillion times. Problem is, nobody has noticed. That why you have such colossal meltdowns and threaten people.  No one takes you seriously here. It's just funny that somewhere out there in the world there's really a person like you. A frustrated, sad and hopelessly delusional person. Someone who would actually write and believe something like this.  

    The truth is that many have wondered throughout the years about the identity of suckmymuscle, but have never got close. I elude all attempts to find out who I am. I am American, French, Brazilian, Canadian, Austrian...I am a law professor, international playboy who lives in the Riviera, math genius, Special Forces guy, A.I engineer...the truth is that I am all of those things in some way or another, although not at the same time...my computer traces to multiple IP addresses at the same time. Surprise, surprise, who am I?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Viking11]

He must be. Chloe from 24..

[pellius]

He must be. Chloe from 24..

lol

[pillowtalk]

we all fuckin used that shit ,,lol i just always though that masterona is better foro over all effect and still a steroid so i liked it more,,

many of us bodybuild really dont hold much fat ,, only water and skin ...and for that you need something in the form of antiaromataze,, diuretic,, masterona ,,ephedrine,, combo of all ,, it depends on the individual

gh15 approved

& of course, you don't have to go UG lab to get Arimadex,  but that has nothing to do with his opinion.

PT

[local hero]

im really disappointed in yates if this is actually true, all the brit pros are usualy very honest upto a point, he was better off just not getting into the steroid conversation at all...

i mean all the competitive guys on here, and i mean every single one  knows this to be utter rubbish, its not even worth discussing, i cant believe people are trying to argue this with a straight face!

ive never came across this gethin cun.t before, this shite wont wash on getbig tho...

the days where pros could claim 'just a finishing touch' are long gone, and werent even true in the 70's, never mind now!!!

[The Wizard of Truth]

im really disappointed in yates if this is actually true, all the brit pros are usualy very honest upto a point, he was better off just not getting into the steroid conversation at all...

i mean all the competitive guys on here, and i mean every single one  knows this to be utter rubbish, its not even worth discussing, i cant believe people are trying to argue this with a straight face!

ive never came across this gethin cun.t before, this shite wont wash on getbig tho...

Yes, as I said already in this thread, regarding gear pros should either tell the truth or keep their mouth shut, cos there's nothin worse than a liar
Now granted currently competing American pros can't talk openly cos gear is illegal and they could go to jail, fair enough, but a retired English bodybuilder who hasn't competed in 15yrs is different, he would've been better off doing a Chick on it and avoiding the question, which he'd get more respect for

[BIG DUB]

You never read me carefully. I have never ever said every pro uses 5 grams of test year round. Don't get it twisted. I don't recommend/advocate megadoses and I don't think every pro is on 5G test year round, but from experience a certain dose range/choice of products correspond to a certain size range/look on average. There are some differences, but we are all human.
No amount of mental drive makes a pro transcend human genetics. Dorian was maybe the freakiest thing ever seen in 1993 and a considerable amount of drugs went into going where no one had gone before.

Someone posted the Chris Street cycle here recently and I said the products and timing looked legit perhaps. The doses not so much. Not quite realistic. Using some common sense and experience I'm confident Dorian did way more at times especially off season, even before winning the Olympia. I remember pics of him when he arrived at the scene with severe cystic acne and bloat that does not correspond to the doses mentioned. I've seen post contest photo shoots of Dorian where he is holding a layer of water that does not match the doses given... and IME is not simply the result of water rebound due to 3 days of aldactone.
It's common sense that Dorian used lots of all the ingredients that allowed him, or anyone, to grow to the size he did, which was breaking new ground in 93. Those idiots on MD argued Yates never touched insulin. How realistic is that? Even you know it's not realistic. If I had to bet I'd bet DNP was included too in 1993... it can help quite a bit to be bigger in contest shape than before its use. But some things are just not put on paper. Insulin, DNP especially. "Ooooh some kid might get hurt and people will look down on me!"

You are so far mixed up with liars that you can't tell the truth anyore, lest you lose customers and goodwill in the community. You defend liars such as Ron Harris, Tim Martin, Skip Pancake/Phil Heath, Castleberry etc etc.

Now, Dante, care to comment on your jackass buddy Massive G's cycle prescriptions? This guy is preaching "600mg puts slabs of muscle on anyone and no one should ever use more". Yet he gives this cycle to a 180lb guy (I'm guessing on what he weighed in comp then), and the guy felt sick and had to stop.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=385567.75

So if you complain about gh15's "insane" dosage quotes maybe you should check the insanity in your own circle. Not even gh15 would recommend dosages like that. Not even close.

That was me who posted his cycle from Chris Street. Also I remember hearing Milos say on a radio show that he gave Dorian info on how to use slin'. He still had the fax he sent him..

[DOGGCRAPP]

You never read me carefully. I have never ever said every pro uses 5 grams of test year round. Don't get it twisted. I don't recommend/advocate megadoses and I don't think every pro is on 5G test year round, but from experience a certain dose range/choice of products correspond to a certain size range/look on average. There are some differences, but we are all human.
No amount of mental drive makes a pro transcend human genetics. Dorian was maybe the freakiest thing ever seen in 1993 and a considerable amount of drugs went into going where no one had gone before.

Someone posted the Chris Street cycle here recently and I said the products and timing looked legit perhaps. The doses not so much. Not quite realistic. Using some common sense and experience I'm confident Dorian did way more at times especially off season, even before winning the Olympia. I remember pics of him when he arrived at the scene with severe cystic acne and bloat that does not correspond to the doses mentioned. I've seen post contest photo shoots of Dorian where he is holding a layer of water that does not match the doses given... and IME is not simply the result of water rebound due to 3 days of aldactone.
It's common sense that Dorian used lots of all the ingredients that allowed him, or anyone, to grow to the size he did, which was breaking new ground in 93. Those idiots on MD argued Yates never touched insulin. How realistic is that? Even you know it's not realistic. If I had to bet I'd bet DNP was included too in 1993... it can help quite a bit to be bigger in contest shape than before its use. But some things are just not put on paper. Insulin, DNP especially. "Ooooh some kid might get hurt and people will look down on me!"

You are so far mixed up with liars that you can't tell the truth anyore, lest you lose customers and goodwill in the community. You defend liars such as Ron Harris, Tim Martin, Skip Pancake/Phil Heath, Castleberry etc etc.

Now, Dante, care to comment on your jackass buddy Massive G's cycle prescriptions? This guy is preaching "600mg puts slabs of muscle on anyone and no one should ever use more". Yet he gives this cycle to a 180lb guy (I'm guessing on what he weighed in comp then), and the guy felt sick and had to stop.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=385567.75

So if you complain about gh15's "insane" dosage quotes maybe you should check the insanity in your own circle. Not even gh15 would recommend dosages like that. Not even close.

Sure Ill comment. Thats Massive G. What does that have to do with me? I got no idea what that is about. Im a totally different individual. You would have to ask Massive G about that. You and Buselmo and Mr BMJ seem to be online friends....should I assume anything they say or recommend you do also? I wouldnt because I see you all as individuals. Now look above. You make all these assumptions of drugs used based on how Dorian Yates looked. I saw you do the same with me one time saying "obvious synthol use" in shoulders. I saw GH15 do the same with me one time stating 1500mg of testosterone a week and a bunch of tren. Im on TRT and have been for a few years. Synthol? You already know how wrong you were on that one. So if I see two individuals so very wrong regarding someone such as myself.....just imagine how wrong they are regarding someone like Yates. See I have no clue whatsoever what a certain pro bodybuilder does especially if I dont know them at all. You have no clue what a certain pro bodybuilder does and GH15 especially has no clue of what a certain pro bodybuilder does by just looking at him.

Do you know what every member does at Getbig does juicewise to the milligram by looking at their pictures? Does GH15? He has been so incredibly wrong on the few people I do know personally that its laughable. Ever train about 1000 people? I have. I have seen some rare super responders to gear that make your head spin. Most people dont respond like that but Ive seen a very rare few that its unbelievable. When you see certain individuals (usually black) who go from 188 pounds to 263 pounds hard as a rock in 2.5 years and you know exactly what they are doing (ahem because you know the guy who got them their stuff and they have no hook otherwise)....you have a mental door that stays open to the rare possibility that there are certain individuals that explode in training, eating and in response to drugs.

Again I think its very foolhardy to think "that guy is ripped so he must do DNP"....that guy is big so he is on insulin (most overrated compound ever in bodybuilding). Christ I got a guy now I help to put on size and he doesnt touch the stuff and everyone is commenting online about insulin with him (provides a good laugh but we dont argue the point...people will believe what they want to believe.... whats the use)

What does Ron Harris opinion have to do with my opinion? Tim Martin? I dont know Tim Martin in the least but please explain to me (and IM saying that respectively) please explain to me how a guy passes 30 blood, urine and lie detector tests over the years and doesnt get caught? I find that very hard to do. Could you pass 5 lie detector tests saying that you have never looked at online porn? Skip? Good friends with Phil, as much as I would love to broach that subject and provide some clear cut clarity, obviously it cannot be talked about (You and GH15 win! See how easy it is when the other guys cant talk about it due to friendships, no matter how very wrong he has been regarding him). Castleberry....much bigger now than as a teen, obviously took the step up (but Ive said that before haven't I?)

This is what I think you should personally do....as Ive seen you argue these points for years. I think you should go to a place (expo/seminar) where Dorian is or whatever guy you think is a liar is at and sit down with them and tell them personally your thoughts on what they are saying and let them have a chance to respond. See I have done that with alot of guys that you two have said wrong information about....when you talk to someone in person you get a good feel about who is lying and who isnt. Do you think I talk openly about anyone that I personally felt was lying to me? No i dont, thats why you dont hear about those individuals from me........ Then if you came online and said "I talked to Dorian, he told me his side of things, I stated mine....I still feel he isnt being truthful"....I would respect your opinion much more and give credence to it.  

B-boy is a perfect example of all this. He let people know what he was doing prior to this year and none of you guys believed him. You all called him a liar saying there is no way he could be that big on just that small amount competing nationally. Well this year he stepped things up and went in about 8 or so pounds heavier and also was truthful with everyone again like he has been in the past and now you all believe him because it fits in with your agenda....but didnt previously.

[Swlabr]

You know, I'd love to believe you, man, but I can't believe someone who has an obvious agenda.

Thanks, hope this helps.

[deceiver]

dante please adress my post. it's easy way out choosing posts of people you know you can own by blabling, coz they just blabla as well. i just wonder if you can adress my claims which are based on LOGIC.

[OTHstrong]

It just doesn't make sense logically for a pro bodybuilder to only use gymrat cycles. These guys are the top physiques in the world. They have everything invested in the sport of bodybuilding. It's how they make their money. Why wouldn't they be using mega doses. You do what you can to be the best! If Dorian could be that good only using a gram a week you don't think he's gonna try to push the envelope more? Come on these guys are fiercely competitive. You're getting paid to look as good as you possibly can!

You would think that your post is like....2+2=4...but for some strange reason some believe it equals 3

[Stavios]

Dante, our main point is that it's not "logical"

senario: a guy takes 1g of gear and wins the O. He hears about everybody taking 4-5 g of gear and they are getting as big as him and he might lose his title. If he loses his title, he will make less money of course and lose momentum to make more money.

this guy would not try to see what he would look like taking the doses everybody is taking ? (ASSUMING he really takes only 1g of gear).

it's just not logical, EVERYBODY would do it.

Hell people do it at the local level and they don't even make money from this shit.

No bodybuilder ever said: "Yop, I am perfect the way I am I'll stop there and won't try to get better/bigger" or at least they know they won't place if they don't get better

[makaveli25]

Dante, our main point is that it's not "logical"

senario: a guy takes 1g of gear and wins the O. He hears about everybody taking 4-5 g of gear and they are getting as big as him and he might lose his title. If he loses his title, he will make less money of course and lose momentum to make more money.

this guy would not try to see what he would look like taking the doses everybody is taking ? (ASSUMING he really takes only 1g of gear).

it's just not logical, EVERYBODY would do it.

Hell people do it at the local level and they don't even make money from this shit.

No bodybuilder ever said: "Yop, I am perfect the way I am I'll stop there and won't try to get better/bigger" or at least they know they won't place if they don't get better

Good post. Plus Dorian didn't seem like the type of guy who was afraid to push the limits!

[Stavios]

Good post. Plus Dorian didn't seem like the type of guy who was afraid to push the limits!

nobody is

you are ALREADY injecting yourself with various drugs, what is so bad about taking 4 cc of each drugs instead of 2 ?

nothing !

the only difference in the bodybuilder's head is that it's more expensive

[Jaime]

No megadoses=no Dorian. 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Dante, our main point is that it's not "logical"

senario: a guy takes 1g of gear and wins the O. He hears about everybody taking 4-5 g of gear and they are getting as big as him and he might lose his title. If he loses his title, he will make less money of course and lose momentum to make more money.

this guy would not try to see what he would look like taking the doses everybody is taking ? (ASSUMING he really takes only 1g of gear).

it's just not logical, EVERYBODY would do it.

Hell people do it at the local level and they don't even make money from this shit.

No bodybuilder ever said: "Yop, I am perfect the way I am I'll stop there and won't try to get better/bigger" or at least they know they won't place if they don't get better

Ok and with that point being made did Dorian do anything logical? Look at the way he trained, nobody else trained like that. How come he didnt think on the same lines then and say "well everyone else is training 3 days on one day off with 12-20 sets per bodypart, I should to or I wont hold on to these bodybuilding titles"
In my book if there ever was a bodybuilder that went by what he thought was the right way and only what he thought.....its Dorian Yates.
With that said....I allready told the people at pro muscle my thoughts on the whole thing as it pertains to information I got back in 95 or 96....I personally dont know Dorian Yates. My opinion is this and only this regarding this ongoing argumentative subject......where are the pro cards? Everyone and their brother keep saying that if you take enough drugs you can be a pro. There are so MANY people in this sport that want this stuff so darn badly their whole lives are encompassed by the mirror. They live breath and sleep pro bodybuilding and their ultimate goal stupidly is an IFBB pro card over a degree in college. Hundreds upon thousands of guys like that especially on these boards. The information supposedly is right there in front of everyone. Take enough sauce and listen to these guys on message boards who continually tell you that if you blast enough of this and that and that over there you too will find bodybuilding glory. Where are the pro cards? Because I keep seeing these genetically elite black guys come out of nowhere and get pro cards instead of these muscle message board members who have been on the boards the last 10 years who know the "secret" and want bodybuilding glory.

[The True Adonis]

Ok and with that point being made did Dorian do anything logical? Look at the way he trained, nobody else trained like that. How come he didnt think on the same lines then and say "well everyone else is training 3 days on one day off with 12-20 sets per bodypart, I should to or I wont hold on to these bodybuilding titles"
In my book if there ever was a bodybuilder that went by what he thought was the right way and only what he thought.....its Dorian Yates.
With that said....I allready told the people at pro muscle my thoughts on the whole thing as it pertains to information I got back in 95 or 96....I personally dont know Dorian Yates. My opinion is this and only this regarding this ongoing argumentative subject......where are the pro cards? Everyone and their brother keep saying that if you take enough drugs you can be a pro. There are so MANY people in this sport that want this stuff so darn badly their whole lives are encompassed by the mirror. They live breath and sleep pro bodybuilding and their ultimate goal stupidly is an IFBB pro card over a degree in college. Hundreds upon thousands of guys like that especially on these boards. The information supposedly is right there in front of everyone. Take enough sauce and listen to these guys on message boards who continually tell you that if you blast enough of this and that and that over there you too will find bodybuilding glory. Where are the pro cards? Because I keep seeing these genetically elite black guys come out of nowhere and get pro cards instead of these muscle message board members who have been on the boards the last 10 years who know the "secret" and want bodybuilding glory.

Ok Mr. "Cycling for Pennies".
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?44207-cycling-for-pennies-by-Doggcrap
Excerpt:
2)Same with food intake-I religiously get in 500 to 600 grams of protein and I have to give myself a little break for those 2 weeks

[Stavios]

Ok and with that point being made did Dorian do anything logical? Look at the way he trained, nobody else trained like that. How come he didnt think on the same lines then and say "well everyone else is training 3 days on one day off with 12-20 sets per bodypart, I should to or I wont hold on to these bodybuilding titles"
In my book if there ever was a bodybuilder that went by what he thought was the right way and only what he thought.....its Dorian Yates.
With that said....I allready told the people at pro muscle my thoughts on the whole thing as it pertains to information I got back in 95 or 96....I personally dont know Dorian Yates. My opinion is this and only this regarding this ongoing argumentative subject......where are the pro cards? Everyone and their brother keep saying that if you take enough drugs you can be a pro. There are so MANY people in this sport that want this stuff so darn badly their whole lives are encompassed by the mirror. They live breath and sleep pro bodybuilding and their ultimate goal stupidly is an IFBB pro card over a degree in college. Hundreds upon thousands of guys like that especially on these boards. The information supposedly is right there in front of everyone. Take enough sauce and listen to these guys on message boards who continually tell you that if you blast enough of this and that and that over there you too will find bodybuilding glory. Where are the pro cards? Because I keep seeing these genetically elite black guys come out of nowhere and get pro cards instead of these muscle message board members who have been on the boards the last 10 years who know the "secret" and want bodybuilding glory.

The difference with that is that his training was a philosophy (that had already been talked about A LOT with the mike mentzer and friends).
the theory that you grow more by more intense sets.

there is no theory that you grow more using less steroids. Of course, there comes a point where more doesn't do shit exept getting huge side effects, but if I take 500mg and then I take 1g, of course I will be bigger with 1g

not trying to be an ass here, just making a point.

I also don't think people take 10g of gear like Nasser claims.

but I don't believe the Dorian cycle for 1 fucking second.

I also don't believe anything that comes out of Ron Harris's mouth (the same guy who ARGUED that Jose Raymond was natural as a 202 Mr.O competitor when even Jose himself told he was using in the same thread)