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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: local hero on January 11, 2011, 12:26:12 AM
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have any of you fellas ever dabbled with seo's, ive used nolitil in the past, pre shows but never tried oils, just curious if anyones had experinces with them, good or bad?
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have any of you fellas ever dabbled with seo's, ive used nolitil in the past, pre shows but never tried oils, just curious if anyones had experinces with them, good or bad?
Ive only did spot injections on my biceps....before training arms, unbelievable pump but the next day was a hell...i couldnt move my arms from the injection soreness...
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Try Esic Kleen from Lyon Protein Source. You can order one bottle for cheap and try it. To get a non lumpy Pro look the oil is pinned with regular 23-25 G needles, not slin pins.
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We have never been able to discuss this topic.because DIVISION would always delete it but I am curious bout it but all I see is the.disasters of it..... is there any success stories on it and how is it used ? Does it make the muscles grow or just expands them and make them squishy
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the only experience with them i have is of a friend...hia tri had a odd shape where it connected with his elbow on the outside of his arm due to a motorcycle wreck....so he asked me to help him with the process....it looked great afterwards...couldnt tell it was oil...
the same guy would also do synthol in lagging bodyparts once a year just to stretch the facia...he used syntherol..
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the only experience with them i have is of a friend...hia tri had a odd shape where it connected with his elbow on the outside of his arm due to a motorcycle wreck....so he asked me to help him with the process....it looked great afterwards...couldnt tell it was oil...
the same guy would also do synthol in lagging bodyparts once a year just to stretch the facia...he used syntherol..
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is there any way you could get a picture of it........ and the stretching part is what im interested in.... i was told that i should do some kind of deep tissue massage to help stretch the facia because i explained that my muscles get very tight very easily and are hard to expand them.... ARMS
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is there any way you could get a picture of it........ and the stretching part is what im interested in.... i was told that i should do some kind of deep tissue massage to help stretch the facia because i explained that my muscles get very tight very easily and are hard to expand them.... ARMS
he doesnt do it anymore....i will talk to him about it...
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i read a post on a brit board about it, for a form of oil that didnt need a large guage needle to put in, i still dont think i could stomach daily shots into an already sore arm tho, but the theory of doing this is sound, as its the stretching of the facia thats the end result of it all, ive never managed to get my arms over 19", even at a high bodyweight.. it does tempt you
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i read a post on a brit board about it, for a form of oil that didnt need a large guage needle to put in, i still dont think i could stomach daily shots into an already sore arm tho, but the theory of doing this is sound, as its the stretching of the facia thats the end result of it all, ive never managed to get my arms over 19", even at a high bodyweight.. it does tempt you
Most SEO does not require a large guage needle. It can be done with slin pins. The point is that to do it properly is with a 1" to 1.5" needle and push it in deep in the muscle. This reduces lumps which need to be massaged out. You put it in deep before training that body part so the fascia can be stretched. The fascia is what limits the size a muscle can get and by stretching it past it's genetic limit you can add some size (yes it's kinda painful). The trick is to not get greedy and overdue it. We have all seen the vids and photos of the idiots that abuse it.
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Try Esic Kleen from Lyon Protein Source. You can order one bottle for cheap and try it. To get a non lumpy Pro look the oil is pinned with regular 23-25 G needles, not slin pins.
Sorry, it's actually Esik Clean I believe.
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We have never been able to discuss this topic.because DIVISION would always delete it but I am curious bout it but all I see is the.disasters of it..... is there any success stories on it and how is it used ? Does it make the muscles grow or just expands them and make them squishy
Flex Wheeler........he is one of the few that has openly admited to SEO use throughout his career.
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Flex Wheeler........he is one of the few that has openly admited to SEO use throughout his career.
its a huge part of the sport, u never see top amatures or pros with small arms these days, as you did in the 80's...
its obviously dangerous with potential to make a mess of you, i do beleive its the only way to get past a sticking point tho, if youve trained 15yr and youve had the same size more or less in a certain bodypart its the only way to get past that
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its a huge part of the sport, u never see top amatures or pros with small arms these days, as you did in the 80's...
its obviously dangerous with potential to make a mess of you, i do beleive its the only way to get past a sticking point tho, if youve trained 15yr and youve had the same size more or less in a certain bodypart its the only way to get past that
my arms are stuck at 18.5 and they are rock hard but my sh older width to ARM ratio is what I don't like my body looks.like the.arms should be 20 in right now
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thats where im at,,,, im very thick front to back, so my arms could do with being an inch or so bigger to match my torso, especialy if i ever plan to compete again... dont know if id ever go down that route, its worth looking at tho
current pic...
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is that you or your buddy
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its a huge part of the sport, u never see top amatures or pros with small arms these days, as you did in the 80's...
its obviously dangerous with potential to make a mess of you, i do beleive its the only way to get past a sticking point tho, if youve trained 15yr and youve had the same size more or less in a certain bodypart its the only way to get past that
Agreed
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thats where im at,,,, im very thick front to back, so my arms could do with being an inch or so bigger to match my torso, especialy if i ever plan to compete again... dont know if id ever go down that route, its worth looking at tho
current pic...
There is a new water based one that's been out for a while. Patrick Arnold is doing some research on it rate now and it may have potential.
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is that you or your buddy
got no friends me... was off me holls, around 250 ish...
ive never heard of the water based version, have to look into that too....
ive read a few different method of using the stuff too, some tend to contradict each other, as some say to space the shots evenly throughout the muscle, the others swear blind to put it right into the meat, deep in the sweet spot
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Yep and I've used both. Slin pin shots in each head of a muscle group or just putting a few CC's deep. Both work well but I prefer the full size pin and putting it deep. Slin pins become a pain to work with. Bunch of little shots and it's a bitch pushing SEO through a slin pin at times. Depending on where your putting it it can get tough to reach. Thank god my wife is a nurse.
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Does it hurt like it does injecting test250...... and what amount would u use
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got no friends me... was off me holls, around 250 ish...
Looking good.
I've never done seo's because i'm a pussy and there's so many horror stories, Milos, Titus etc. I have heard of guys adding Lidocaine to their Synthol shots to be able to do the shots day after day, for 28 days straight... I think you could get away with eod. Thankfully i have good sized arms, too bad their mostly/all tri's...
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Used a gear and SEO premix from a european lab last year. Was a mix of something like 30mg/ml prop, collagen and MCT/LCT oil.
Ok results but not as effective as synthol would be.
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Does it hurt like it does injecting test250...... and what amount would u use
Doesn't hurt at all except the constant pinning in the same general area. The pain is when it starts to stretch the fascia. Fixed my calves and there was a period it was tough to walk from my bed to the toilet in the middle of the night. You start with 1cc per head (inner/outter) and work up. I'll find the whole protocol and post it. I have it somewhere using the slin pins and multi head theory. Now I hardly ever use it but when I feel something needs to be brought up I'll pin that area 2x a week rate before pumping the hell outta it.
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Used a gear and SEO premix from a european lab last year. Was a mix of something like 30mg/ml prop, collagen and MCT/LCT oil.
Ok results but not as effective as synthol would be.
I was told not to mix my SEO with gear because it could possibly screw up the time release of whatever product you might be using. I have no idea if a SEO could bond with the Test ester so I never tried. Some guys buy MCT oil and get 1% BA (I believe) and make their own for cheap. If I find that recipe I'll post it also. Never had the balls to try it though.
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Is it the same as injecting sterile oil the you would use to make your own gear
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As far as I know it lasts longer in the muscle than a typical EO or grape seed oil.
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Site enhancement oil
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Site Enhancement Oil is a sterile neutral oil that is locally injected directly into muscle tissue. It becomes encapsulated in the bundles of muscle fibers which adds volume to the muscle. The term Synthol is used to describe any Site Enhancement Oil (SEO). [1]
Contents [hide]
1 Usage and Effects
2 Formulation
3 Risks
4 References
[edit] Usage and Effects
SEOs are used to increase the size of a muscle. There is one main theory on the science behind synthol. After synthol is injected it becomes encapsulated in the bundles of muscle fibers and this adds volume to the muscle size. The muscle fascia surrounding the muscle becomes stretched. This fascia is one of the main restrictive factors in muscle growth. Synthol stretches the muscle fascia, creating room for more muscle growth. This theory has not been proven. There is currently no professional literature or applied research on the muscle building effectiveness of synthol.
[edit] Formulation
Formulations vary depending on brand. In general Synthol consists of inert naturally occurring lipids/fatty acids (Eg. Caprylic acid, capric acid) and benzyl alcohol (sterilising agent).[2]
A site enhancement oil is not an androgen and contains no steroids.
[edit] Risks
Neither the short-term nor the long-term side effects of Synthol have been adequately studied. The main risks are those common to all intramuscular injections, namely accidental injection of Synthol into an artery or vein, which could potentially lead to a heart attack, embolism or stroke due to blockage. Other risks include nerve damage, and infection
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Link with uses and other info:
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/articles-forum/205-site-enhancing-oils-synthol-how-guide.html
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Flex Wheeler........he is one of the few that has openly admited to SEO use throughout his career.
It wasn't thru-out his career, more towards the end, like the yrs of 99-2000 (possibly 1998), most notably in his delts and arms.
He used Escilene prior to that (as well as Kev) and talked about how he would pin his delts in a "T" formation...
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mc luvin... what kind of gain did u get then, and how much did u keep?
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I never measured but rather went by how it looked. You can stretch some areas (arms) to a 2" gain. Most is some inflamation and swelling which goes away when your done. My estimation when all was said and done, I'd say I kept 50% or less. So, for a 2" gain in the arms you may end up with a 1" or 3/4" gain which is HUGE for me. I'm 49 and have been training since the mid 70's as a kid. I incorporate a very tough training program and lose training partners all the time, so I don't train like a pussy. ;) I recently tore a quad in December doing sets of 8 with 500 in the squat (belt only, below parallel). My gains in my 40's have been very hard to come by so I've used some SEOs to fix lagging areas that were genetically sub par. To be honest you can get carried away and look like one of these idiots that stretch their arms, shoulders and pecs out to where it's obvious. I compete and it's important that once the area in done it looks good and you can see fibers when dieted down.