2007 IFBB PRO LEAGUE MINUTES

[Chick]

But you couldn't discuss the $400 being a bit too steep in some countries keeping standard of living in mind all over the world and come up with a more reasonable amount?
$400 in some countries could be 2 months salary.

Guess they better get their application in on time then, right?

[onlyme]

MINUTES Of the Annual Meeting of the IFBB Professional Committee
Thursday, September 27, 2007
Salon B, Orleans Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
   
ITEM   DESCRIPTION ACTION
 
I  The meeting was called to order at 4:00pm by Jim Manion, Chairman, IFBB Professional League.

II  The roll call was taken; the following members were present:
 
NAME  COUNTRY  POSITION
 
Jim Manion  USA  Chairman
Jim Rockell  USA  Men’s Representative
Sandy Williamson  USA  Women’s Representative
Rob Wilkins  USA   Athlete Liaison (the Americas)
Pawel Filleborn  Poland  Athlete Liaison (Europe)
Steve Weinberger  USA  Promoter Representative
Rick Collins   USA  Legal Advisor
Bob Cicherillo  USA  Athlete Representative
Betty Pariso  USA  Athlete Representative
Jen Hendershott  USA  Athlete Representative
Jenny Lynn  USA  Athlete Representative
 
III  The previous minutes of September 27, 2006 were read into the record.  ADOPTED
 
PROPOSALS
 
IV  A proposal from Betty Pariso that there be three Ms. Olympia qualifying spots for smaller shows [two-category competitions].

[Explanatory note: Currently, for any one-category female bodybuilding competition except the Ms. Olympia and Ms. International, the top 3 finalists qualify for the next Ms. Olympia.  Where there are two categories, the top finalist in each category qualifies.]

REJECTED 
 

V.   A proposal from Betty Pariso that the use of props in female bodybuilding competition be permitted.

[Explanatory note: Currently, the use of props in bodybuilding competition is prohibited.]

REJECTED 
 

VI.  A proposal from Betty Pariso that the “desired look” for female bodybuilding be formalized in writing as part of the IFBB Pro Rules.

[Explanatory note: After some discussion, the committee held the majority opinion that the judges were already shaping the look for female bodybuilding with the winners they choose and therefore, there was no need for additional criteria other than what is currently expressed in the Pro Rules.]
 
REJECTED
 
VII.   A proposal from Jenny Lynn regarding the release of contact information of Athlete-Members to the Athlete Representatives.

[Explanatory note: The IFBB Pro League office will ensure that the Athlete Representatives are provided wth up-to-date contact information.]

ADOPTED  
 
VIII.  A proposal from Bob Cicherillo that athletes be required to have a written contract, signed and approved, no later than 8 weeks prior to the date of the competition.

[Modification: Athletes will be required to have a written contract postmarked no later than 6 weeks prior to the date of the competition.  Contracts received after the due date will be subject to a US $500 late fee to the promoter.] Intersting that the Athletes Rep let this pass without argument.  Was their any kind of debate about this late fee.  Or did the athletes already vote to pass the amount of the fine.

ADOPTED with modification 

 
IX.  A proposal from Bob Cicherillo that athletes with a signed contract 8 weeks from the date of competition will receive a US $1,000 fee on cancellation of the competition any time prior to the original date set.

[Modification: Athletes with a signed contract 6 weeks from the date of the competition will split the sanction money on deposit at the time of the cancellation upon the cancellation of the competition any time prior to original date set.]  So, if there is nothing on deposit with the IFBB then the athletes get nothing.  The sanction fee is what $10,000.  SO if there are more than 10 athletes then they will get less money.  Did the athletes agree on this too.  Could you not have this passed on and re-submitted at the next meeting.

ADOPTED with modification  
 
 
X.  A proposal from Bob Cicherillo that the “Under 210-lb” class receive one Olympia qualifying spot.
 
REJECTED  
 
XI.  A proposal from Bob Cicherillo that all IFBB Pro League cards will be renewed by annually by January 1st. Any card renewed after this deadline, and before February 1st, will have an additional US $100 fee attached. Renewals received after February 28th will be doubled, based on the original cost. And the athlete you represent suggested this fine.

[Modification: All IFBB Pro League cards will be renewed (postmarked) annually by January 15th.  Any card renewed after this date will cost the athlete US $400.]  And you let the IFBB increase what you proposed and went with it.  And the athletes all told you to do this.  Jeez Chic if you are going to help the athletes you rep like this then I'm sure they are all happy with the job you are doing.
 
ADOPTED with modification
 
XII.  A proposal from Bob Cicherillo to reduce the “Under 210-lb” class to “Under 202 lbs”.

[Explanatory note: This is not a division into two categories of a men’s bodybuilding competition.  The promoter, with the approval of the IFBB Pro League, may elect to open a separate competition for those competitors who are under 202 lbs.]

ADOPTED  
 
 
OTHER BUSINESS

 
XIII.  The following Other Business was briefly discussed:

1.  Where possible, the individual judge’s scores should be listed in the contest results reported at www.IFBBPRO.com
 
2.  The fine of US $1,000 for athletes who withdraw from a competition without a legitimate medical reason, as certified by a physician accepted by the IFBB Pro League, will be enforced.
 
3.  In future, Athlete Meeting times will be approved by the IFBB Pro League and will be published at www.IFBBPRO.com for each event.
 
4.  In future, the IFBB Pro League will publish at www.IFBBPRO.com comprehensive contest information, including an updated competitor list.
 
5.  The members voted to reject the request for reinstatement from Lee Priest.
 
   
XIV.  There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 5:00pm.
 
 
Minutes
Recorded by:

Jim Rockell  Men’s Representative
 
Minutes  Transcribed by:

Tony Blinn  General Secretary

Minutes  Approved by:

Jim Manion Chairman

Minutes  Approved by:

Ben Weider, OC, CStJ, QC, PhD
President
 
 
 
 

Chic was wondering, if you proposed anything "good" for the athletes you represent.

[G o a t b o y]

Guess they better get their application in on time then, right?

Bob reminds me of the high school hall monitor, secretly gloating when others get dinged for chickenshit stuff.

[mantronik]

What makes you think they want "cushioning"..? As far as I know, they don't ...it makes it worse. What we've asked for is a secure flooring...one that doesn't move, or have any deviations in it.

What makes me think that?   I've heard this personally from several ms Fitness Olympia participants!!
So you think that these girls prefer to land on wooden floors then on cushioning just like in gymnastics, performing almost the same moves?
Thick cushioning makes it worse yes if you wear shoes.
Thin cushioning gives more stability and security for a softer landing in case of...

You're obviuosly arguing for the sake of just arguing...

Yeah nobody would be happy with this.
Fitness competition started with simple moves in '97 or '98 and got more complicated and more gymnastic like as the years went by.
I think it would be reasonable to flow/adjust with the time demands of the flips being performed.

But if Jenny didn't propose anything then I guess that request indeed died over the years OR nobody asked Jenny to propose this. Oh well...
Long live fitness  

[Chick]

Chic was wondering, if you proposed anything "good" for the athletes you represent.

Yeah...everything on the list.

[mantronik]

I edited that post before you posted this, knowing the smartass you are, you would say that.

Guess they better get their application in on time then, right?

But you couldn't discuss the $400 being a bit too steep in some countries keeping standard of living in mind all over the world and come up with a more reasonable amount?
$400 in some countries could be 2 months salary.
So pay on time you would say.
True.
But it's not always that easy to get moeny from outside the US into the hands of the IFBB.
Fedex, Western Union, Bank wiring can be expensive in some countries.
I'm all for a late fee and that indeed applies to almost everything in life, but $400?

[G o a t b o y]

Bob should stick to stuff he's good at like emceeing and interviewing, where he can't do any damage. 

[Milos_Sarcev]

LOL...nope.

Let's see what unfolds for the I.M...........more comparisons than last year I'm guessing..!

Bob,

well...can I tell you first: I love you bro...so don't ever get offended...
I do think you are doing hell of the job but I also think that WE - IFBB PROS should get few things - after all these years...

First thing being: EXPLANATION how IFBB judges actually judge the show?

I think that in every other sport IF media ask judges WHY they judged certain way - judges would elaborate in greatest detail HOW THEY JUDGED...However - in bodybuilding asking judges is a 'no-no"...?!
WHY?
If I put Jay ahead of Victor...or Jocelyn Politier (for that matter) - as official IFBB judge - I should be able to say WHY I made such a decision...

What's more I would start with First round and explain why I think Jay deserved to beat Jocelyn or Victor - and even take each and every pose (front, side and rear relax pose) and give my honest assessment...
Than I would do the same in next round...etc...

If I ask any judge from Olympia how and why they think Jay was the best bodybuilder on that stage - they should be able to justify their decision...but when you get - "don't ask" answer...you have to wonder what is going on?

Like I said before if IFBB judges proclaim Rossane Bar sexier and/or more beautiful than Angelina Joly - nobody in this world would accept that decision - except the IFBB fans...and competitors...

It is sad to know that when I train someone to win IFBB pro show and I try to get the athlete believing in himself - I can't overcome their serious concern - POLITICS...or the most important "NAME ROUND"...
I was asked so many times: "Cammon Milos - you really think they (IFBB judges) would let me stand next to that guy...or place me ahead?"
And when I try to encourage them and stay positive and pump them up with: "Off course I think they will..." I get: "OK...you want to bet?"

[biceps]

Bob,

well...can I tell you first: I love you bro...so don't ever get offended...
I do think you are doing hell of the job but I also think that WE - IFBB PROS should get few things - after all these years...

First thing being: EXPLANATION how IFBB judges actually judge the show?

I think that in every other sport IF media ask judges WHY they judged certain way - judges would elaborate in greatest detail HOW THEY JUDGED...However - in bodybuilding asking judges is a 'no-no"...?!
WHY?
If I put Jay ahead of Victor...or Jocelyn Politier (for that matter) - as official IFBB judge - I should be able to say WHY I made such a decision...

What's more I would start with First round and explain why I think Jay deserved to beat Jocelyn or Victor - and even take each and every pose (front, side and rear relax pose) and give my honest assessment...
Than I would do the same in next round...etc...

If I ask any judge from Olympia how and why they think Jay was the best bodybuilder on that stage - they should be able to justify their decision...but when you get - "don't ask" answer...you have to wonder what is going on?

Like I said before if IFBB judges proclaim Rossane Bar sexier and/or more beautiful than Angelina Joly - nobody in this world would accept that decision - except the IFBB fans...and competitors...

It is sad to know that when I train someone to win IFBB pro show and I try to get the athlete believing in himself - I can't overcome their serious concern - POLITICS...or the most important "NAME ROUND"...
I was asked so many times: "Cammon Milos - you really think they (IFBB judges) would let me stand next to that guy...or place me ahead?"
And when I try to encourage them and stay positive and pump them up with: "Off course I think they will..." I get: "OK...you want to bet?"

I think if one more person get fired then the rest will get the message, and wee know how is that person.

[Milos_Sarcev]

Well...nice talking to you...

We (IFBB PROS and bodybuilding fans) need to insist that judging criteria IS EXPLAINED before the next show...