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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #900 on: May 24, 2023, 12:06:07 AM »
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201812/the-mental-health-atheists-and-the-nones

Not so fast...

"Much research indicates that religious people as a group tend to have better mental health than the 'nones' as a group."

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #901 on: May 24, 2023, 01:52:41 AM »
"Much research indicates that religious people as a group tend to have better mental health than the 'nones' as a group."
This is not a surprise.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #902 on: May 24, 2023, 10:55:41 AM »
"Much research indicates that religious people as a group tend to have better mental health than the 'nones' as a group."

underneath your qoute



"However, the studies leading to these conclusions often collapse a variety of different groups (e.g., agnostics, lapsed, unaffiliated, weak atheists, strong atheists) into a single category of "nones," comparing these to a single category of "religious." This binary "lumping" approach loses granular-level information about the many specific sub-groups within the "nones"

and

"For example, a just-published study by Dr. Joseph Baker at East Tennessee State University indicates that atheists have the best mental health among the "nones," similar to that of the highly-religious. In contrast, "non-affiliated theists" had the poorest mental health."

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #903 on: May 24, 2023, 11:32:21 AM »
At least 600 children were sexually abused by Baltimore’s Catholic Church over 60 years, Maryland AG says


Maryland's top prosecutor on Wednesday accused Catholic Church officials in Baltimore of engaging in a yearslong coverup of the sexual abuse of 600-plus children, some of whom were “preyed upon by multiple abusers over decades."

State Attorney General Anthony Brown chronicled the abuse in a 463-page report that named several priests and described their alleged wrongdoing.

"Time and again, members of the Church’s hierarchy resolutely refused to acknowledge allegations of child sexual abuse for as long as possible," according to the report.

"When denial became impossible, Church leadership would remove abusers from the parish or school, sometimes with promises that they would have no further contact with children. Church documents reveal with disturbing clarity that the Archdiocese was more concerned with avoiding scandal and negative publicity than it was with protecting children."

In total, the state found, more than "600 children are known to have been abused by the 156 people included in this Report, but the number is likely far higher."

The sexual abuse was so pervasive, it wasn't uncommon for a young victim to be targeted by more than one adult, according to the report.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/maryland-ag-documents-widespread-sexual-abuse-least-600-victims-baltim-rcna78378


We keep seeing more and more of these cases. Now in Illinois. Child abuse on a massive scale.


Catholic clergy in Illinois sexually abused more than 1,900 minors, state attorney general says in report

An investigation has substantiated child abuse claims against Catholic clergy in Illinois by more than 1,900 victims, state Attorney General Kwame Raoul said in a news conference detailing the findings of the office's five-year investigation that uncovered hundreds more cases than first reported by the dioceses in 2018.

More than 100,000 pages of diocesan documents and 600 confidential contacts with survivors of child sex abuse helped the state's office piece together the 696-page report released Tuesday on clergy sexual abuse in all six Catholic dioceses in Illinois, the office said.

Raoul's predecessor, former Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, began investigating the scope of state clergy sexual abuse in 2018 after a Pennsylvania grand jury report documented the abuse of 1,000 minors in six dioceses in that state, the office said. The revelations in that report shocked dioceses around the country and numerous state attorneys general pledged to investigate clergy within their own states – Illinois included.

At that time, the Catholic dioceses of Illinois publicly listed only 103 substantiated child sex abusers, the office said.

The investigation covered all six Illinois dioceses — Chicago, Belleville, Joliet, Peoria, Rockford and Springfield — which serve the state's 3.5 million Catholics. Investigators substantiated child sex abuse allegations against 451 clerics and religious brothers. The largest number was in Chicago, where there were 150 reported abusers, and Joliet, with 52 reported abusers, the report found. Since some reported abusers were registered in two dioceses, there were a total of 494 substantiated abusers reported, the report said.

The report discloses the names of 451 substantiated child sex abusers and provided narratives and details on the abuse they committed while serving the Church. Some had a single victim, while others had dozens. One who died in 2015 abused 36 children while serving in the Diocese of Davenport, Iowa, and in Joliet; before retiring in 2005, another abused two children in the Diocese of Peoria. Yet another priest raped a 10-year-old girl in his classroom, the report said.

The depth and breadth of the sexual abuse varied – as did the punishments they received, the report states. In many instances, allegations were reported and not acted upon, the report found. In 1993, two survivors accused one priest at the Chicago Diocese of abuse, but the review board did not recommend that the priest be punished, the report said. Instead, the clergy had him monitored and he was still allowed to meet with teenage girls, the report found. The abuse continued and at least three more survivors reported abuse at the hands of the priest until in 2002 - almost a decade later – he was removed from the clergy, the report said. 

One priest accused of abusing numerous young boys was known by the parish children as "Happy Hands," the report said, but he evaded punishment for years. Prosecutors often declined to move the case forward — an assistant state's attorney told Our Lady of the Snows parishioners, "It was our decision not to put the children through any court process, because we feel that our goal can be achieved without doing that," the report said. The priest moved from parish to parish after accusations against him started in 1990 but he didn't leave the Catholic church until 2008, the report said. He was never punished for his alleged abuses, the report said, and instead, he resides at "his cottage—the same residence where he had been accused so many times of abusing young boys."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illinois-catholic-clergy-sexually-abused-over-1900-minors/

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #904 on: May 24, 2023, 05:05:32 PM »
"Much research indicates that religious people as a group tend to have better mental health than the 'nones' as a group."

Probably because reality sucks and they are living a fairy tale.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #905 on: May 24, 2023, 05:56:35 PM »
Probably because reality sucks and they are living a fairy tale.

Some kneel in prayer and hope for that which is good in all ways while others kneel in truckstop stalls and filthy port-a-potties hoping for nothing more than a random cock to suck or fuck.  And later pray in fear they don't contract AIDS. 

I would say the former is far  more honorable, brother.   I have been dead three times.  Think about what that is like and realize that I know what awaits us all. You are a good man with a great sense of humor but like I said, I know what is coming and it ain't some smelly, greasey fat trucker. 

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #906 on: May 24, 2023, 11:28:46 PM »
Probably because reality sucks and they are living a fairy tale.

I'm "religious" because I believe in God and consider myself a Christian.  My reality is awesome.  And I am kinda living a fairy tale, but it's a good thing.   :)

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #907 on: May 25, 2023, 12:12:03 AM »
We keep seeing more and more of these cases. Now in Illinois. Child abuse on a massive scale.


Catholic clergy in Illinois sexually abused more than 1,900 minors, state attorney general says in report

An investigation has substantiated child abuse claims against Catholic clergy in Illinois by more than 1,900 victims, state Attorney General Kwame Raoul said in a news conference detailing the findings of the office's five-year investigation that uncovered hundreds more cases than first reported by the dioceses in 2018.

More than 100,000 pages of diocesan documents and 600 confidential contacts with survivors of child sex abuse helped the state's office piece together the 696-page report released Tuesday on clergy sexual abuse in all six Catholic dioceses in Illinois, the office said.

Raoul's predecessor, former Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, began investigating the scope of state clergy sexual abuse in 2018 after a Pennsylvania grand jury report documented the abuse of 1,000 minors in six dioceses in that state, the office said. The revelations in that report shocked dioceses around the country and numerous state attorneys general pledged to investigate clergy within their own states – Illinois included.

At that time, the Catholic dioceses of Illinois publicly listed only 103 substantiated child sex abusers, the office said.

The investigation covered all six Illinois dioceses — Chicago, Belleville, Joliet, Peoria, Rockford and Springfield — which serve the state's 3.5 million Catholics. Investigators substantiated child sex abuse allegations against 451 clerics and religious brothers. The largest number was in Chicago, where there were 150 reported abusers, and Joliet, with 52 reported abusers, the report found. Since some reported abusers were registered in two dioceses, there were a total of 494 substantiated abusers reported, the report said.

The report discloses the names of 451 substantiated child sex abusers and provided narratives and details on the abuse they committed while serving the Church. Some had a single victim, while others had dozens. One who died in 2015 abused 36 children while serving in the Diocese of Davenport, Iowa, and in Joliet; before retiring in 2005, another abused two children in the Diocese of Peoria. Yet another priest raped a 10-year-old girl in his classroom, the report said.

The depth and breadth of the sexual abuse varied – as did the punishments they received, the report states. In many instances, allegations were reported and not acted upon, the report found. In 1993, two survivors accused one priest at the Chicago Diocese of abuse, but the review board did not recommend that the priest be punished, the report said. Instead, the clergy had him monitored and he was still allowed to meet with teenage girls, the report found. The abuse continued and at least three more survivors reported abuse at the hands of the priest until in 2002 - almost a decade later – he was removed from the clergy, the report said. 

One priest accused of abusing numerous young boys was known by the parish children as "Happy Hands," the report said, but he evaded punishment for years. Prosecutors often declined to move the case forward — an assistant state's attorney told Our Lady of the Snows parishioners, "It was our decision not to put the children through any court process, because we feel that our goal can be achieved without doing that," the report said. The priest moved from parish to parish after accusations against him started in 1990 but he didn't leave the Catholic church until 2008, the report said. He was never punished for his alleged abuses, the report said, and instead, he resides at "his cottage—the same residence where he had been accused so many times of abusing young boys."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illinois-catholic-clergy-sexually-abused-over-1900-minors/
Individual clergy doing bad things does not mean God doesn't exist or that religion in general is bad.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #908 on: May 25, 2023, 07:14:07 AM »
Individual clergy doing bad things does not mean God doesn't exist or that religion in general is bad.

By the term "religion" we have all witnessed the debauchery and worse of MEN called the "will of God".   I do not hold "God"responsible for what men do but I damn sure question His existence when He does NOTHING about these men.  There is no sin in asking WTF of this inaction from a being that had no problem putting to death the literal innocents of Egypt in order to free the real Israelite Nation and yet will not send a single angel from the head of a pin to help a child being molested by a priest, an imam and Democrat voters and Biden & Co.

Fuck all Democrats and RINOs.  They are supporters of pedophilia, child mutilation and the destruction of civilization.  They are here in the form of all who stand against Mr. Trump and for the Democrat Party.  Ask God WTF about Him taking out the Dems and all of islime.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #909 on: May 26, 2023, 01:49:36 AM »
By the term "religion" we have all witnessed the debauchery and worse of MEN called the "will of God".   I do not hold "God"responsible for what men do but I damn sure question His existence when He does NOTHING about these men.  There is no sin in asking WTF of this inaction from a being that had no problem putting to death the literal innocents of Egypt in order to free the real Israelite Nation and yet will not send a single angel from the head of a pin to help a child being molested by a priest, an imam and Democrat voters and Biden & Co.

Fuck all Democrats and RINOs.  They are supporters of pedophilia, child mutilation and the destruction of civilization.  They are here in the form of all who stand against Mr. Trump and for the Democrat Party.  Ask God WTF about Him taking out the Dems and all of islime.
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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #910 on: May 26, 2023, 11:38:03 AM »
Individual clergy doing bad things does not mean God doesn't exist or that religion in general is bad.

One of the issues these cases highlight is that it's not just the sick individual clergy who abused children but the church also tried to cover up the abuse.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #911 on: June 13, 2023, 04:33:44 PM »
Man arrested while citing Bible verse in protest of Pride event, then video evidence sinks case

Charges were dropped against a self-professing Christian "street preacher" who was arrested while citing the Bible in protest of an LGBTQ Pride event in Reading, Pennsylvania, authorities said.

Damon Atkins was arrested June 6 for "disorderly conduct, engaged in fighting," but the charges were dropped after an official review of video evidence, the Berks County District Attorney's Office said in a press release.

"The charges were withdrawn after the District Attorney’s Office reviewed the videos of the incident along with applicable case law," the statement said.

Berks County Commissioner Christian Leinbach had told the Lancaster Patriot that he believed the arrest of Atkins was "unlawful" and "could open the City of Reading and their police department to legal action."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-arrested-citing-bible-verse-protest-pride-event-video-evidence-sinks-case

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #912 on: June 14, 2023, 12:55:11 AM »
Man arrested while citing Bible verse in protest of Pride event, then video evidence sinks case

Charges were dropped against a self-professing Christian "street preacher" who was arrested while citing the Bible in protest of an LGBTQ Pride event in Reading, Pennsylvania, authorities said.

Damon Atkins was arrested June 6 for "disorderly conduct, engaged in fighting," but the charges were dropped after an official review of video evidence, the Berks County District Attorney's Office said in a press release.

"The charges were withdrawn after the District Attorney’s Office reviewed the videos of the incident along with applicable case law," the statement said.

Berks County Commissioner Christian Leinbach had told the Lancaster Patriot that he believed the arrest of Atkins was "unlawful" and "could open the City of Reading and their police department to legal action."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-arrested-citing-bible-verse-protest-pride-event-video-evidence-sinks-case
That is America today. It's a crime to NOT support sodomy and sodomites.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #913 on: June 15, 2023, 09:40:54 AM »
That is America today. It's a crime to NOT support sodomy and sodomites.

Told my wife and family about 12 years ago that within 25 years religious freedoms will be outlawed in the US.  Now it will primarily if not completely focus on silencing Christianity but no shock there.  We're steadily arriving at that point.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #914 on: June 15, 2023, 02:28:02 PM »
Told my wife and family about 12 years ago that within 25 years religious freedoms will be outlawed in the US.  Now it will primarily if not completely focus on silencing Christianity but no shock there.  We're steadily arriving at that point.

We are absolutely headed towards Biblical views on things like homosexuality and marriage being criminalized.

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« Reply #915 on: June 15, 2023, 08:42:14 PM »
13 years from now religious freedoms will not be outlawed. We can just stop pretending that is going to happen in our lifetime.

And we are absolutely NOT heading towards biblical views on things like homosexuality and marriage being criminalized. Definitely agree we are heading towards putting less and less importance on what that book says about most anything which is not a bad thing.. but criminalizing it? Not even close

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #916 on: June 16, 2023, 12:06:28 AM »
13 years from now religious freedoms will not be outlawed. We can just stop pretending that is going to happen in our lifetime.

And we are absolutely NOT heading towards biblical views on things like homosexuality and marriage being criminalized. Definitely agree we are heading towards putting less and less importance on what that book says about most anything which is not a bad thing.. but criminalizing it? Not even close

Yeah.  Not even close.  I mean we would never see something like government trying to scrutinize Christian sermons.  Would never happen.

Houston withdraws legal demand to see pastors' sermons in gay rights battle
City still seeks wide range of church documents
Pastors campaigning to repeal gay rights ordinance
Associated Press in Houston
Fri 17 Oct 2014

Houston city attorneys are no longer seeking through subpoenas sermons from five pastors who publicly opposed an ordinance banning discrimination against gay and transgender residents.

Mayor Annise Parker said on Friday that the city was backing off the sermon request but would not withdraw the subpoenas, which seek other information from the pastors as part of a lawsuit over a petition drive to repeal the equal rights ordinance.

“They were too broad,” Parker said at a news conference. “They were typical attorney language in a discovery motion. They were asking for everything but the kitchen sink.”

While the word “sermons” was being deleted from the subpoenas, the revised request for other speeches or presentations was appropriate, Parker said.

“This is not about what anyone is preaching; this is not about their religion; it’s not about the free exercise of religion,” she said. “It is our right to defend the city and asking legitimate questions about the petition process.”

In May, the city council passed the equal rights ordinance, which consolidates city bans on discrimination based on sex, race, age, religion and other categories and increases protections for gay and transgender residents. Parker, who is gay, and other supporters said the measure is about offering protections at the local level against all forms of discrimination in housing, employment and services provided by private businesses such as hotels and restaurants.

Religious institutions are exempt, but city attorneys recently subpoenaed the pastors, seeking all speeches, presentations or sermons related to the repeal petition.

Christian activists had sued after city officials ruled they did not collect enough signatures to get the question on the ballot. The city secretary initially counted enough signatures, but then the city attorney David Feldman ruled that more than half of the pages of the petition were invalid.

Erik Stanley, senior legal counsel for Alliance Defending Freedom, a Christian religious rights legal organisation that filed the motion to quash the subpoenas, said the city “still doesn’t get it”.

“It thinks that by changing nothing in its subpoenas other than to remove the word ‘sermons’ that it has solved the problem,” Stanley said. “That solves nothing.”

Subpoenas still demand 17 different categories of information that encompass speeches made by the pastors and private communications with their church members, he said.

“They must be rescinded entirely,” Stanley said, contending the city needs to respect first amendment religious freedoms.

Feldman said that the subpoenas were routine in the give-and-take between lawyers in a lawsuit and that the now-contentious matter could have been defused in negotiations involving attorneys for both sides.

“They decided to make it a media circus,” he said.

The controversy has touched a nerve among religious conservatives around the country, already anxious about the rapid spread of gay rights and what it might mean for faith groups that object. Religious groups, including some that support civil rights protections for gays, have protested the subpoenas as a violation of religious freedom.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/17/houston-withdraws-legal-demand-pastors-sermons-gay-rights

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #917 on: July 16, 2023, 10:55:55 PM »
13 years from now religious freedoms will not be outlawed. We can just stop pretending that is going to happen in our lifetime.

And we are absolutely NOT heading towards biblical views on things like homosexuality and marriage being criminalized. Definitely agree we are heading towards putting less and less importance on what that book says about most anything which is not a bad thing.. but criminalizing it? Not even close

Let's hope you're correct!

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #918 on: July 17, 2023, 12:27:21 AM »
13 years from now religious freedoms will not be outlawed. We can just stop pretending that is going to happen in our lifetime.

And we are absolutely NOT heading towards biblical views on things like homosexuality and marriage being criminalized. Definitely agree we are heading towards putting less and less importance on what that book says about most anything which is not a bad thing.. but criminalizing it? Not even close
The Left is foaming at the mouth to limit religious freedom and will do so if they have the power. They have already discussed taking away tax exempt status if they feel a religious leader favors republicans. Mormons do not allow gays to get married in their church or temples and BYU would kick gays out of school and I think that will be challenged very soon.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #919 on: July 17, 2023, 04:28:38 PM »
The Left is foaming at the mouth to limit religious freedom and will do so if they have the power. They have already discussed taking away tax exempt status if they feel a religious leader favors republicans. Mormons do not allow gays to get married in their church or temples and BYU would kick gays out of school and I think that will be challenged very soon.

uses the podium for political reasons is more accurate and I agree with it

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #920 on: July 18, 2023, 12:54:47 AM »
uses the podium for political reasons is more accurate and I agree with it
It only goes one way. Liberal preachers can preach their left wing shit and it isn't even mentioned.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #921 on: July 18, 2023, 09:10:50 AM »
Yep churches today, in various denominations, are abandoning God's holy, objective standards in favor of employing subjective, liberal, woke, progressive politics.  Will only get worse.

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« Reply #922 on: July 18, 2023, 07:29:58 PM »
It only goes one way. Liberal preachers can preach their left wing shit and it isn't even mentioned.

Liberal preachers are rare, but if they are using their position to push politics, yank that tax free status.

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« Reply #923 on: July 18, 2023, 07:30:33 PM »
Yep churches today, in various denominations, are abandoning God's holy, objective standards in favor of employing subjective, liberal, woke, progressive politics.  Will only get worse.


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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #924 on: July 19, 2023, 12:32:25 AM »
Liberal preachers are rare, but if they are using their position to push politics, yank that tax free status.
No, they aren't rare. Black churches in the inner cities are almost all liberal.