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There are some exceptionally heinous crimes out there that merit cruel and unusual punishment. Mere imprisonment or the death penalty just don't cut it.
Take the murderer from VA Tech yesterday. If he were still alive, they would try him, send him to jail for life, or give him the death penalty. (lethal injection? please...) IMO that punishment is just too light. He ought to be subjected to extreme intolerable torture for the rest of his natural life. Bring in the world's most talented sadists and let them have their way with him.
Same with a pedophile who kidnaps, rapes, and kills children or buries them alive. He deserves to have this intestines removed in front of his eyes and fed to him while burning coals are stuffed into his bowels...
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i'm all for public execution...just plain hang em..
hell behead em..its gory..and if done slow painfull...and i bet everyone watching will NEVER EVER think about murdering anyone ever..
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That's too merciful and quick for some killers...
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So you don't like the American Constitution?
Nice.
What's next, you want a dictature instead of a democracy? ::)
Here's a suggestion: If you don't like the Western Law: Move to a country with Muslim Sharia laws. I'm sure you'll dig how they go about justice there
-Hedge
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That's too merciful and quick for some killers...
well how about ya let the families of the victims decide how the person gets to die?
that fair?
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So you don't like the American Constitution?
Nice.
What's next, you want a dictature instead of a democracy? ::)
Here's a suggestion: If you don't like the Western Law: Move to a country with Muslim Sharia laws. I'm sure you'll dig how they go about justice there
-Hedge
mighty nose appropriately elivated talk till someone ya love dies in a similar manner ;)
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So you don't like the American Constitution?
Nice.
What's next, you want a dictature instead of a democracy? ::)
Here's a suggestion: If you don't like the Western Law: Move to a country with Muslim Sharia laws. I'm sure you'll dig how they go about justice there
-Hedge
Why can't you vote to change the laws and have the masses approve the mistreatment of worthless scumbags? I agree if jail was a shitty horriable place that people came out all fucked up it would take less then ten years for the younger generation to straiten up and fly right.
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So you don't like the American Constitution?
Nice.
What's next, you want a dictature instead of a democracy? ::)
Here's a suggestion: If you don't like the Western Law: Move to a country with Muslim Sharia laws. I'm sure you'll dig how they go about justice there
-Hedge
I never said that. I said the punishment has to be proportionate to the crime. Nowadays, you commit crimes and just time in a two-star hotel at everyone else's expense...
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So you don't like the American Constitution?
Hedge makes a valid point.
columbus, do you support changing the Constitution to allow for cruel and unusual punishment?
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In the emotional storm of it all it easy, through anger, to want to punish someone more than just killing them.
but in the end, when cool heads prevail, adhering to our constitution is what keeps this country together and from going over the deep end into mass hysteria and fascism.
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Hedge makes a valid point.
columbus, do you support changing the Constitution to allow for cruel and unusual punishment?
What article of the constitution is it? What is the exact wording?
I do believe that for mass murderers, esp those who kill children, deserve more punishment than they currently get.
Say a man violently rapes then brutally kills a little girl. Should he go to prison, a two-star hotel, for a few years, at her parents' expense? I believe not. He should be handed over to some dedicated sadists who will rape him over and over just as he raped that little girl.
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In the emotional storm of it all it easy, through anger, to want to punish someone more than just killing them.
but in the end, when cool heads prevail, adhering to our constitution is what keeps this country together and from going over the deep end into mass hysteria and fascism.
Honestly you don't think were already not heading over that cliff???
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Hedge makes a valid point.
columbus, do you support changing the Constitution to allow for cruel and unusual punishment?
everyone brings up the constitution when it suits em...but when it dosen't, they make a mockery of it..
when ws the constitution followed in the past 4 yrs by this govt?
hell...i've been called a racist for my RIGHT to freedom of speech..and my posts del..where is your precious constitution then?..o yeah..it dosen't suit some so out it goes..
the constitution seems to be there now a days for people to point out when others disagree with em..as a rebuttal instead of what we stand for.
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I never said that. I said the punishment has to be proportionate to the crime. Nowadays, you commit crimes and just time in a two-star hotel at everyone else's expense...
Oh you did.
Read the constitution.
It's in the 8th amendment. Cruel and unusual punishment isn't allowed.
So if you're not kosher with it, you're not kosher with the constitution.
But lets not get into semantics.
BTW, where do you get the idea that imprisonment is like "two star hotel"?
And do you have any idea how expensive it is for a country to have potential workforce and tax payers rottening inside a prison?
-Hedge
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everyone brings up the constitution when it suits em...but when it dosen't, they make a mockery of it..
when ws the constitution followed in the past 4 yrs by this govt?
hell...i've been called a racist for my RIGHT to freedom of speech..and my posts del..where is your precious constitution then?..o yeah..it dosen't suit some so out it goes..
the constitution seems to be there now a days for people to point out when others disagree with em..as a rebuttal instead of what we stand for.
There is no freedom of speech on getbig.
Of course not. This is private property, and Ron runs it whichever way he chooses to. If you cannot understand that, then you need to re-read some fundamental political science books.
-Hedge
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In the emotional storm of it all it easy, through anger, to want to punish someone more than just killing them.
but in the end, when cool heads prevail, adhering to our constitution is what keeps this country together and from going over the deep end into mass hysteria and fascism.
You mean the same constitution that once allowed for slavery and relegated blacks to inferior status?
The Enlightenment taught us to get over rigid adherence to any given text. The constitution is not like the Koran, frozen in time. It is a living, breathing document. Treat it as such.
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we did it's caled guantanamo bay, abu ghraib
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You mean the same constitution that once allowed for slavery and relegated blacks to inferior status?
The Enlightenment taught us to get over rigid adherence to any given text. The constitution is not like the Koran, frozen in time. It is a living, breathing document. Treat it as such.
Very good post.
I don't agree with your call for savage slaughtering, but that was a very good post.
-Hedge
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Oh you did.
Read the constitution.
It's in the 8th amendment. Cruel and unusual punishment isn't allowed.
So if you're not kosher with it, you're not kosher with the constitution.
But lets not get into semantics.
BTW, where do you get the idea that imprisonment is like "two star hotel"?
And do you have any idea how expensive it is for a country to have potential workforce and tax payers rottening inside a prison?
-Hedge
Thankfully, the constitution is not the Koran, and it can be changed. To treat any text as absolute eternal truth is idolatry. Constitutions can be amended by the people.
As for prison, the punishment is just too light for some crimes. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that a guy who robs a 7-11 should be burned at the stake. I am saying that there is tremendous evil out there that is going unpunished.
But let's not change the point. If a guy kidnapped, repeatedly raped your sister, say, tortured her for weeks, amputated her bodyparts one by one and fed them to wild animals as she watched, gouged out her eyes and put burning coals in her eye sockets, then brutally killed her, you would be OK with him going to prison for life?
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There is no freedom of speech on getbig.
-Hedge
of course there is..you can make fun of anyone..hell i call ron a fat joobie all the time..buut god forbid i say the N word..
as for reading political science books..lol...i just imagined you with prada glasses sipping scotch in a library preaching the virtues of being level headed.. :-\ and everyone going " my headgie what a great big patience you have" :-\
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. The constitution is not like the Koran, frozen in time. It is a living, breathing document. Treat it as such.
i'm glad ya saw the irony.. :)
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Thankfully, the constitution is not the Koran, and it can be changed. To treat any text as absolute eternal truth is idolatry. Constitutions can be amended by the people.
As for prison, the punishment is just too light for some crimes. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that a guy who robs a 7-11 should be burned at the stake. I am saying that there is tremendous evil out there that is going unpunished.
But let's not change the point. If a guy kidnapped, repeatedly raped your sister, say, tortured her for weeks, amputated her bodyparts one by one and fed them to wild animals as she watched, gouged out her eyes and put burning coals in her eye sockets, then brutally killed her, you would be OK with him going to prison for life?
I would obviously want to kill him.
But I don't have any right for retribution. That won't do jack shit to help the society.
The only thing that matters is to make the best of the situation. My opinion means jack and shit. My problems needs to be dealt with through a shrink or whatever, but revenge? The state should never take that into account. The only thing that matters is to have as many productive units as possible working in the society.
That's why it's completely uninteresting if inmates at prisons have a decent life, if that means they break their past habits. Releasing a prisoner who is still criminal is pointless IMO.
-Hedge
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I would obviously want to kill him.
But I don't have any right for retribution. That won't do jack shit to help the society.
The only thing that matters is to make the best of the situation. My opinion means jack and shit. My problems needs to be dealt with through a shrink or whatever, but revenge? The state should never take that into account. The only thing that matters is to have as many productive units as possible working in the society.
That's why it's completely uninteresting if inmates at prisons have a decent life, if that means they break their past habits. Releasing a prisoner who is still criminal is pointless IMO.
-Hedge
I actually agree with Hedge. WOuld revenge bring your sister back? nope.
I'd pray to god to help me through it and i'd realize my sister was in a better place.
No matter how you killed the guy that killed your sister, wouldn't in any way at all change the pain you would be feeling.
His life really wouldn't matter to me, of course i'd want him brought to justice, i've always thought the idea of someone spending every day of the rest of his life in prison, facing rape, beatings from other inmates and such, would be more satisfying to me than his life to end in an instance.
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I actually agree with Hedge. WOuld revenge bring your sister back? nope.
I'd pray to god to help me through it and i'd realize my sister was in a better place.
No matter how you killed the guy that killed your sister, wouldn't in any way at all change the pain you would be feeling.
His life really wouldn't matter to me, of course i'd want him brought to justice, i've always thought the idea of someone spending every day of the rest of his life in prison, facing rape, beatings from other inmates and such, would be more satisfying to me than his life to end in an instance.
I disagree to a point. Yes nothing is going to change the fact but How much punishment goes on in prision? really if your talking about 80% of the jails its a bunch of guys getting by not rape and beatings and movie shit. My brother spent 3 years inside some of the wild federal pens and its not as bad as people think. I can guarentee you if I took someone out to a quite barn back in the country I could cause enough pain to feel better..Course then I would hunt down the guys family and take them on a trip also. But then again I am a little nuts.
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I disagree to a point. Yes nothing is going to change the fact but How much punishment goes on in prision? really if your talking about 80% of the jails its a bunch of guys getting by not rape and beatings and movie shit. My brother spent 3 years inside some of the wild federal pens and its not as bad as people think. I can guarentee you if I took someone out to a quite barn back in the country I could cause enough pain to feel better..Course then I would hunt down the guys family and take them on a trip also. But then again I am a little nuts.
I have a feeling Jeffrey Dahmer would have you for lunch.
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I have a feeling Jeffrey Dahmer would have you for lunch.
Good example If mr dahmer was responsible for someone i loved then I would have taken him out and slowly force fed him his own legs, bit by bit. Keep him hooked up to and IV so he does not bleed out and stays under during removal and cauterise his legs after removal. simple.. ;D
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Good example If mr dahmer was responsible for someone i loved then I would have taken him out and slowly force fed him his own legs, bit by bit. Keep him hooked up to and IV so he does not bleed out and stays under during removal and cauterise his legs after removal. simple.. ;D
Are you from West Virginia?
-Hedge
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I would obviously want to kill him.
But I don't have any right for retribution. That won't do jack shit to help the society.
Well I would like you to have the right to see the bastard suffer just as much as your loved one did, if you wanted to.
The only thing that matters is to have as many productive units as possible working in the society.
Interesting that you think the individual is a mere productive unit in society, but that's another thread.
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Good example If mr dahmer was responsible for someone i loved then I would have taken him out and slowly force fed him his own legs, bit by bit. Keep him hooked up to and IV so he does not bleed out and stays under during removal and cauterise his legs after removal. simple.. ;D
i THINK THE truth most likely is you have never even been in a fistfight in your life.
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Are you from West Virginia?
-Hedge
No but I own some land there... ;D
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i THINK THE truth most likely is you have never even been in a fistfight in your life.
Sir not to start a cyber back and forth with you but really do you think I am some young kid who is never left home? I am not poking at you because I understand this is all make believe here in cyber land but to answer your question yes I have been in a fight or two. I respect you are intitled to your opinion and do not care for what I wrote and I respect its your choice. I don't think you would care if I talk about myself so I will save you the reading. That being said I know unless we sat down and shared a meal you would not understand the depths I would go to in my life to exact revenge. I know I have issues but its a fact and not a bost. Thanks.
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Sir not to start a cyber back and forth with you but really do you think I am some young kid who is never left home? I am not poking at you because I understand this is all make believe here in cyber land but to answer your question yes I have been in a fight or two. I respect you are intitled to your opinion and do not care for what I wrote and I respect its your choice. I don't think you would care if I talk about myself so I will save you the reading. That being said I know unless we sat down and shared a meal you would not understand the depths I would go to in my life to exact revenge. I know I have issues but its a fact and not a bost. Thanks.
Truth be told, ...when I heard about the massacre, I immediately thought of you.
not sure if it was because of your... um... issues, or because of your location, ...but I did think of you. :D
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Truth be told, ...when I heard about the massacre, I immediately thought of you.
not sure if it was because of your... um... issues, or because of your location, ...but I did think of you. :D
I hope it was for my location... :) But i understand from past conversations how the two can be crossed. Thanks for the thought, its always nice to hear.
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I hope it was for my location... :) But i understand from past conversations how the two can be crossed. Thanks for the thought, its always nice to hear.
{giggle} :-X
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Sir not to start a cyber back and forth with you but really do you think I am some young kid who is never left home? I am not poking at you because I understand this is all make believe here in cyber land but to answer your question yes I have been in a fight or two. I respect you are intitled to your opinion and do not care for what I wrote and I respect its your choice. I don't think you would care if I talk about myself so I will save you the reading. That being said I know unless we sat down and shared a meal you would not understand the depths I would go to in my life to exact revenge. I know I have issues but its a fact and not a bost. Thanks.
Ever thought of counseling?
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Ever thought of counseling?
Dose not work for me.
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No.
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Dose not work for me.
Ever thought of a refresher course in spelling?
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Ever thought of a refresher course in spelling?
;D Smartass.
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How is torturing someong going to bring the victims? Torture will not lead to releasing of anger and resentsentment, but add to it by giving your sick pleasure.
Simple leathal injection will do.
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I actually agree with Hedge. WOuld revenge bring your sister back? nope.
I'd pray to god to help me through it and i'd realize my sister was in a better place.
No matter how you killed the guy that killed your sister, wouldn't in any way at all change the pain you would be feeling.
His life really wouldn't matter to me, of course i'd want him brought to justice, i've always thought the idea of someone spending every day of the rest of his life in prison, facing rape, beatings from other inmates and such, would be more satisfying to me than his life to end in an instance.
Decomposing in the ground is a better place?
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How is torturing someong going to bring the victims? Torture will not lead to releasing of anger and resentsentment, but add to it by giving your sick pleasure.
Simple leathal injection will do.
Not sure I agree with you, I have always found it to be very relaxing.
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Not sure I agree with you, I have always found it to be very relaxing.
Pleasure helps you to relax. If you feel sad, then it would be better to just knock down some drinks over torturing someone.
I've seen a fair share of people getting tortured for no good reason. My brother liked to torture people because it was simply another escape for him and his buddies. He and his friends got sick pleasure out of it and I'm sure it was relaxing to him too. Is he like that still? No.. He knows better now.
Maybe learning to play a guitar and writing music would help people to honor a loss, rather then just stooping to the level of some sick asshole.
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Pleasure helps you to relax. If you feel sad, then it would be better to just knock down some drinks over torturing someone.
I've seen a fair share of people getting tortured for no good reason. My brother liked to torture people because it was simply another escape for him and his buddies. He and his friends got sick pleasure out of it and I'm sure it was relaxing to him too. Is he like that still? No.. He knows better now.
Maybe learning to play a guitar and writing music would help people to honor a loss, rather then just stooping to the level of some sick asshole.
No man I understand your point and I may come off flipent but thats not what I am trying to say. I agree 100%, it's much better and healthier and smarter to be above the ahole. For me in my choice it would be different. It does not make it right or correct or the best choice at all. Its blind hatered being released do to the inability to change reality. Its evil and against all that is right but I understand how I am and What choice I would make. I would like to think when it came down to it I would either not be able to or thru the grace of god make a much better choice, I just worry for myself that I would not be able to.
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How is torturing someong going to bring the victims? Torture will not lead to releasing of anger and resentsentment, but add to it by giving your sick pleasure.
Simple leathal injection will do.
I want to have the right to see that punishment equal in magnitude to the offense is meted out to anyone who brutally murders any of my loved ones. That's all. I don't want the POS laughing in my face from behind bars while I pay for him to live in the state's hospitality.