Jose Canseco and Ken Caminiti-what are your opinions on the guys who came clean?

[MCWAY]

Exactly, its like you work your balls off in a natural powerlifting and they suddenly let a guy who juices in and he outlifts you by 150 pounds in the bench and its still called a natural contest. Or comparing the raw bench records of Kaz and saying these guys who wear these benchshirts who lift more than Kaz did are stronger than him. Not FAIR.

That analogy would be accurate, except for one thing: In a natural powerlifting organization/contest, the rules state from the get-go that the participants are NOT ALLOWED to use anabolic steroids. Usually, there's some form of testing to enforce those rules.

Baseball had no such rules regarding anabolics, when Barry Bonds set the home run record. So, there was no rule violation and thus no "cheating", whether Bonds was taking steroids or not. That's the point I keep making.

These "he say, she say, tell-all" books have the legal legitimacy of the tabloids. Without any rock-hard evidence (or a full-blown confession from Bonds himself), it's little more than speculation.

[LAMA-PAI]

almost all those records are bogus anyway !
they should only count records after intergration !
for christ sake they had pichers with wooden legs playing
and they would not let the great negro league player in lol !
what would COOL PAPA BALL OR JOSH GIBSON DONE ?
am not black but we all have eyes to see thought this bullshit !
MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IS FULL OF SHIT !

[Mr. Intenseone]

almost all those records are bogus anyway !
they should only count records after intergration !
for christ sake they had pichers with wooden legs playing
and they would not let the great negro league player in lol !
what would COOL PAPA BALL OR JOSH GIBSON DONE ?
am not black but we all have eyes to see thought this bullshit !
MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IS FULL OF SHIT !

 

[Palpatine Q]

That analogy would be accurate, except for one thing: In a natural powerlifting organization/contest, the rules state from the get-go that the participants are NOT ALLOWED to use anabolic steroids. Usually, there's some form of testing to enforce those rules.

Baseball had no such rules regarding anabolics, when Barry Bonds set the home run record. So, there was no rule violation and thus no "cheating", whether Bonds was taking steroids or not. That's the point I keep making.

These "he say, she say, tell-all" books have the legal legitimacy of the tabloids. Without any rock-hard evidence (or a full-blown confession from Bonds himself), it's little more than speculation.

No No....Mcway.  according to Pumpster these are specific, detailed accounts of bonds rampant abuse that will send Bonds to the electric chair. Congress is drawing up a bill right now that will classify this book as "unimpeachable evidence of the highest order" and Bonds will have to stand trial for breaking a rule that didn't exist yet. Thay are also discussing a public stoning by white 12 year old boys with cancer. Instead of rocks they will throw baseballs.

[pumpster]

Obviously you're not aware in general-detailed doping records aren't just in the book. Your perceptions are crap.

[bmacsys]

Well, it wasn't just baseball. The whole black/white thing was pervasive in the whole country. That being said the white pitcher has always been dominant even since 1947 when the color barrier was broken. Babe Ruth batted against the best pitchers alive in his era. Since the color barrier has been broken there have been many great sluggers black and white. Josh Gibson was a great player but he was not the "Babe Ruth" of the Negro leagues as many think. He did not hit that many home runs and the distance of his home runs did not equal Ruth,Gehrig or Foxx, players of his era. To see the kind of home run hitter Babe Ruth was think of this- in many of the older ballparks which just were demolished like Comiskey, Tiger Stadium and a few others. Ruth had hit more balls clear out of each park than anybody before or since. And his last year was 1934.

[MCWAY]

Obviously you're not aware in general-detailed doping records aren't just in the book. Your perceptions are crap.

What part of "it doesn't matter" aren't you grasping?

At the time Bonds set the home-run record, THERE WAS NO STEROID-TESTING POLICY in Major League Baseball. Therefore, Bonds technically wasn't cheating, regardless of any anabolics he may/may not have taken.

Today's drug-testing policy can't be used to strip Bonds of any past records. It's just like the infamous "Bert Emanuel" rule in the NFL. Emanuel' s catch, which was ruled incomplete in the 1999 NFC Championship, would be ruled a completed catch today under current NFL rules.

That doesn't change the fact that the St. Louis Rams defeated the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 11-6. The NFL can't speculate that, had thecatch been ruled complete, the Bucs would have eventually scored and beaten the Rams. And, the NFL: certainly can't take away the Rams' NFC title or their Super Bowl Championship.

In the same vein, for Bonds to be suspended NOW, he must test positive for steroids under MLB's current testing policy NOW. Until that happens, you can speculate and come out with alleged "Tell-all, whistle-blowing" books, until the cows come home. And as stated before, Bonds won't have to give back one single penny of the money that he's made.

Furthermore, if this attempt to retro-test Bonds is done, you have to do that to EVERY OTHER BASEBALL PLAYER, past and present. Do you suggest we retrotest Hank Aaron? What if he tests positive? What about Reggie Jackson? Bob Eucker? If Bonds has to endure this, so does every other MLB superstar/legend.