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Obama = FAIL
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OWNED.
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This is a shock. I did not see this coming.
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This is a shock. I did not see this coming.
Neither did I - cause the bill they had was really nothing at all and symbolic at best.
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:) :) :) :)
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Neither did I - cause the bill they had was really nothing at all and symbolic at best.
It's all that bomber's fault. CURSE HIM for not being a white boy.
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It's all that bomber's fault. CURSE HIM for not being a white boy.
It is obamas fault. He did not do shit to help pass this thing.
F him
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It is obamas fault. He did not do shit to help pass this thing.
F him
Calm down, brother! Time to do some......FANDANGO-ING!!
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Calm down, brother! Time to do some......FANDANGO-ING!!
This is what gets me - he runs out there making divisive speeches and then does nothing to work w people to get somethig done - and then when it fails he blames everyone.
Horrible leadership
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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-vote-obamas-biggest-loss-90244.html
wwwwaahhhhhhaaaaaaa
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This is what gets me - he runs out there making divisive speeches and then does nothing to work w people to get somethig done - and then when it fails he blames everyone.
Horrible leadership
Which is kind of funny... considering the fact that HE is the leader.
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Which is kind of funny... considering the fact that HE is the leader.
In name only.
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Which is kind of funny... considering the fact that HE is the leader.
He has consistently shown that he's a great campaigner and a horrible leader.
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He has consistently shown that he's a great campaigner and a horrible leader.
Agreed. Unfortunately, America is fuckin' obsessed with celebrities/rockstars, and it follolws over when those same idiots enter the poll sto select our leaeder.
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:D
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Agreed. Unfortunately, America is fuckin' obsessed with celebrities/rockstars, and it follolws over when those same idiots enter the poll sto select our leaeder.
True story.
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http://www.ijreview.com/2013/04/47455-what-obamas-gun-control-press-conference-would-have-looked-like-if-ijreview-covered-it-live
LOL
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It's not just that it failed. It's WHERE it failed. This is like a bad wrestling match; it didn't go according to the script.
This was supposed to pass in the Senate and die in the House, giving Obama the opportunity to go a-campaigning and blaming those EEEEEVVVVVIIIILLLLL Republicans.
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True MCWAY.
His own party couldn't support that stupid legislation.
But, the average american voter today is retarded. Just look at the libtards in this forum.
The clown in chief will blame the republicans and he will get away with it because 54% of the nation doesn't care about what is going on in the political arena.
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Barack Obama can't pass gun control despite 90 per cent support. Truly, he is a lame-duck president
By Tim StanleyUS politicsLast updated: April 18th, 2013
598 CommentsComment on this article
Yesterday, the most modest of gun control proposals died in the Senate. It would have expanded background checks to people purchasing weapons at gun shows and online sales, enjoyed 90 per cent support among the public and came on the back of the tragedy at Newtown. Yet, despite all that it had going for it, the Toomey-Manchin bill raised just 54 votes – six short of the number necessary for passage. “This is a pretty shameful day for Washington,” said Obama afterwards. It wasn’t exactly a red letter day for him, either.
Why did the no-brainer bill fail? Four reasons:
1. It wasn’t the political priority that its supporters presumed it was. Yes, Newtown shocked the nation – but the top priority for the public remains the economy. According to Gallup, only 4 per cent of Americans think that gun control is the “most important problem facing the country today”.
2. The National Rifle Association is smarter than we all thought. In the wake of Newtown it scored a number of own goals, including a disastrous press conference and floating the idea of armed guards in schools. But Blake Zeff argues that its extremism was calculated, that its goal was to shift the gravity of debate away from the centre ground and towards the Right – compelling Democrats to talk seriously about armed guards and stop talking about banning whole classes of weapons. The NRA, even by farce, transformed the discussion to its advantage.
3. The Democrats are dumber that we all thought. Blake Zeff, again, makes a compelling case that the Dems screwed up when they declined to rally behind a more comprehensive gun control bill – conceding leadership of the debate to the Right within their party. This is a familiar story: liberals tend to be less ambitious and tenacious than their conservative rivals.
4. Barack Obama is a lame-duck president. Nobody listens to what he says anymore, nobody is interested in winning his approval and nobody much cares if he thinks they have “let the country down”. This is typical for a second-term president who has lost all their leverage because they’re no longer running for office and everybody is patiently waiting for the day when he quits the White House. But Obama's difficult personality has doubled the size of the challenge. Gloating in victory, adolescent in defeat – the Prez doesn’t make it easy to work with him. Why should conservative senators give him a legislative victory after he has spent four years painting them as knuckle-dragging rednecks who hate women and the poor?
Whatever your position on gun control, yesterday’s events are a damning indictment of Obama’s presidency – a flash of style, lots of soaring rhetoric and, when the votes are actually counted, little show for any of it. America has four more years of this lame-duck president telling them that it has let him down. If only he could tear up the Constitution and rule by diktat he might save himself a little disappointment. Alas, American democracy is a stickler for rules.
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Obama Continues His Gun Rant in an Email to Supporters
The PJ Tatler ^ | April 18, 2013 | Bryan Preston
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:49:06 PM by Kaslin
Barack Obama’s rage — whether it’s real or playacting, I’m undecided — continues. Today Organizing for Action’s Jon Carson sent an email to the group’s vast mailing list. It begins with a lie, saying “Yesterday, 45 senators chose to ignore their constituents and stand with the gun lobby.”‘
Obama is allowing for no possibility that any of the senators who opposed the background check amendment were acting in accord with their constituents. None.
The email continues: “And because of Senate rules, this minority was able to stand in the way of a bipartisan measure to expand background checks for gun sales.”
That line is probably a set-up for one of two following moves. One, Democrats will push to jettison the Senate filibuster, aka the so-called “nuclear option.” Or two, Obama will implement some form of background check expansion via executive order and dare anyone to stop him. Or, of course, he may try both. He will certainly make gun control a centerpiece of the Democrats’ campaign to re-take the House in 2014, which the “gun control lobby” surely welcomes. If he could not get this legislation through four months after Newtown, it will not be a resonant issue nearly two years after the tragedy. Unless, that is, Obama has another tragedy to exploit between now and then.
From that set-up line, the email moves on to exploiting the families grieving their loss.
“A lot of people are reading the headlines today and wondering how these senators had the nerve to get up there — right in front of victims’ families from Newtown — and cast that vote against something that more than 90 percent of Americans support. I’m one of them,” his email authors write.
Obama’s own hand-picked Newtown father admits that the background check expansion would not have saved his son. A lot of people are wondering how the president could so callously use vulnerable people at the worst moment in their lives, to push his pet cause.
In the email, OFA vows that “Yesterday was round one. We will keep fighting.”
The question is, is that a threat, or a scream borne of impotent rage?
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Biden: 'The President Is Already Lining Up Some Additional Executive Actions' for Guns
2:44 PM, Apr 18, 2013 • By DANIEL HALPER
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Joe Biden says the president of the United States is preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.
BuzzFeed reports:
Vice President Biden told White House allies in the gun control fight Thursday that President Obama will be announcing new executive actions on gun violence in the days after the Senate voted down a gun violence bill.
On a conference call with "stakeholders," Biden told gun control advocates that the fight is not over and that eventual action on gun control will come. Press were not invited to the conference call; a participant provided BuzzFeed with access.
"Look I know you're going to say that I'm just being an optimist and I'm trying to put a good face on this. But you know I've been around here a long time and we've already done, because of you, some really good things," Biden said. "Number one, the president is already lining up some additional executive actions he's going to be taking later this week."
After the Newtown shootings, Obama took a number of executive actions to expand research into gun violence and other areas favored by the gun control community. He took the actions without Congressional approval, leading to outrage by some conservatives.
Gun control measures failed in the Democratic-controlled Senate earlier this week.
UPDATE: And now Democratic majority leader Harry Reid has pulled the gun bill:
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When media throw the 90% figure out they are being disingenuous. It doesn't mean that 90% support the recent bill, it just means that most people think there should be some form of gun control. I support gun rights and I find certain forms of gun control advocated, like not letting emotionally disturbed people buy weapons, completely appropriate. I would bet that even the most die-hard righties on getbig support some kind of gun control.
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Biden: 'The President Is Already Lining Up Some Additional Executive Actions' for Guns
2:44 PM, Apr 18, 2013 • By DANIEL HALPER
Single PagePrintLarger TextSmaller TextAlerts
Joe Biden says the president of the United States is preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.
BuzzFeed reports:
Vice President Biden told White House allies in the gun control fight Thursday that President Obama will be announcing new executive actions on gun violence in the days after the Senate voted down a gun violence bill.
On a conference call with "stakeholders," Biden told gun control advocates that the fight is not over and that eventual action on gun control will come. Press were not invited to the conference call; a participant provided BuzzFeed with access.
"Look I know you're going to say that I'm just being an optimist and I'm trying to put a good face on this. But you know I've been around here a long time and we've already done, because of you, some really good things," Biden said. "Number one, the president is already lining up some additional executive actions he's going to be taking later this week."
After the Newtown shootings, Obama took a number of executive actions to expand research into gun violence and other areas favored by the gun control community. He took the actions without Congressional approval, leading to outrage by some conservatives.
Gun control measures failed in the Democratic-controlled Senate earlier this week.
UPDATE: And now Democratic majority leader Harry Reid has pulled the gun bill:
they might kick themselves in the ass for not passing that watered down bill
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they might kick themselves in the ass for not passing that watered down bill
This is treasonous on the part of Obama.
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This is treasonous on the part of Obama.
Obama could care less. He believes his progressive ideaology should trump all constraints placed on him by the USC
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This is treasonous on the part of Obama.
I've been trying to tell you since 2008.
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Barack Obama can't pass gun control despite 90 per cent support. Truly, he is a lame-duck president
By Tim StanleyUS politicsLast updated: April 18th, 2013
598 CommentsComment on this article
Yesterday, the most modest of gun control proposals died in the Senate. It would have expanded background checks to people purchasing weapons at gun shows and online sales, enjoyed 90 per cent support among the public and came on the back of the tragedy at Newtown. Yet, despite all that it had going for it, the Toomey-Manchin bill raised just 54 votes – six short of the number necessary for passage. “This is a pretty shameful day for Washington,” said Obama afterwards. It wasn’t exactly a red letter day for him, either.
Why did the no-brainer bill fail? Four reasons:
1. It wasn’t the political priority that its supporters presumed it was. Yes, Newtown shocked the nation – but the top priority for the public remains the economy. According to Gallup, only 4 per cent of Americans think that gun control is the “most important problem facing the country today”.
2. The National Rifle Association is smarter than we all thought. In the wake of Newtown it scored a number of own goals, including a disastrous press conference and floating the idea of armed guards in schools. But Blake Zeff argues that its extremism was calculated, that its goal was to shift the gravity of debate away from the centre ground and towards the Right – compelling Democrats to talk seriously about armed guards and stop talking about banning whole classes of weapons. The NRA, even by farce, transformed the discussion to its advantage.
3. The Democrats are dumber that we all thought. Blake Zeff, again, makes a compelling case that the Dems screwed up when they declined to rally behind a more comprehensive gun control bill – conceding leadership of the debate to the Right within their party. This is a familiar story: liberals tend to be less ambitious and tenacious than their conservative rivals.
4. Barack Obama is a lame-duck president. Nobody listens to what he says anymore, nobody is interested in winning his approval and nobody much cares if he thinks they have “let the country down”. This is typical for a second-term president who has lost all their leverage because they’re no longer running for office and everybody is patiently waiting for the day when he quits the White House. But Obama's difficult personality has doubled the size of the challenge. Gloating in victory, adolescent in defeat – the Prez doesn’t make it easy to work with him. Why should conservative senators give him a legislative victory after he has spent four years painting them as knuckle-dragging rednecks who hate women and the poor?
Whatever your position on gun control, yesterday’s events are a damning indictment of Obama’s presidency – a flash of style, lots of soaring rhetoric and, when the votes are actually counted, little show for any of it. America has four more years of this lame-duck president telling them that it has let him down. If only he could tear up the Constitution and rule by diktat he might save himself a little disappointment. Alas, American democracy is a stickler for rules.
so 90% of the public supports the legislation and the Repubs decide filibuster it and you blame Obama
Tell us exactly how Obama is supposed to prevent a filibuster by Repubs who put their allegiance to corporate interests ahead of overwhelming public support
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so 90% of the public supports the legislation and the Repubs decide filibuster it and you blame Obama
Tell us exactly how Obama is supposed to prevent a filibuster by Repubs who put their allegiance to corporate interests ahead of overwhelming public support
If the public supported it by 90% then it would have passed.
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If the public supported it by 90% then it would have passed.
I would say the public if polled would be 90% in favour of removing all taxes completely.
Do you think that would ever pass?
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I would say the public if polled would be 90% in favour of removing all taxes completely.
Do you think that would ever pass?
60% hated obamacare and they rammed that through.
the fact is that the bill was a complete farce and a waste of time.
Obama is just pissed off he cant blame on the GOP since 4 democrats voted against it.
He needs to STFU and go away. He is a loser, a bitch, a liar, and a thug.
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If the public supported it by 90% then it would have passed.
from your own article:
Yesterday, the most modest of gun control proposals died in the Senate. It would have expanded background checks to people purchasing weapons at gun shows and online sales, enjoyed 90 per cent support among the public
now tell us exactly how the POTUS us supposed to stop a filibuster in the senate?
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I would say the public if polled would be 90% in favour of removing all taxes completely.
Do you think that would ever pass?
you can say it all you want but it's highly doubtful to almost certainly false
just look at the public support for increasing taxes on the wealthy and then explain how 90% of the public is suddenly going to be in favor of removing all taxes completely
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from your own article:
now tell us exactly how the POTUS us supposed to stop a filibuster in the senate?
By being a leader! You dont go out and demonize people every day and then meltdown like a baby when they refuse to help you.
Obama is little more than a community agitator who creates division and anger. He has only himself to blame
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By being a leader! You dont go out and demonize people every day and then meltdown like a baby when they refuse to help you.
Obama is little more than a community agitator who creates division and anger. He has only himself to blame
again, tell us exactly how the POTUS can stop a filibuster in the Senate
your own fucking story said this was the MOST MODEST of gun control proposals
I guess we'll just have to wait until enough Republican Senators have their friends or family killed by gun nuts and then maybe they will do something
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you can say it all you want but it's highly doubtful to almost certainly false
just look at the public support for increasing taxes on the wealthy and then explain how 90% of the public is suddenly going to be in favor of removing all taxes completely
90% support this specific legislation or 90% support some form of gun control? Do you really think 90% of American citizens are aware of and understand this legislation?
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90% support this specific legislation or 90% support some form of gun control? Do you really think 90% of American citizens are aware of and understand this legislation?
tell us what was so hard to understand about it?
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tell us what was so hard to understand about it?
I'm asking you if you know the answer? You're throwing out numbers to support your argument and I want to know what they mean. Where did those numbers come from?
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I'm asking you if you know the answer? You're throwing out numbers to support your argument and I want to know what they mean. Where did those numbers come from?
I'm not throwing out #'s
they came from 333's article
statement of purpose of the bill
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00097
To protect Second Amendment rights, ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and provide a responsible and consistent background check process.
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I'm not throwing out #'s
they came from 333's article
statement of purpose of the bill
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00097
So you blindly trust the numbers? Why did you throw a hissy fit when I asked a simple question?
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So you blindly trust the numbers? Why did you throw a hissy fit when I asked a simple question?
wtf are you even talking about
the 90% number has been mentioned many times in the last few days and it directly from a story posted on this site
If you don't believe it then feel free to explain why and show your source
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wtf are you even talking about
the 90% number has been mentioned many times in the last few days and it directly from a story posted on this site
If you don't believe it then feel free to explain why and show your source
and only 4% felt gun control was an imprtant issue.
The only reason o-twink is pissed off is that he cant blame the gop house for this heading into 2014.
failed leadership - lame duck
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wtf are you even talking about
the 90% number has been mentioned many times in the last few days and it directly from a story posted on this site
If you don't believe it then feel free to explain why and show your source
So what, it could be mentioned a million times. I'm asking you to source the numbers. You're using these numbers for YOUR argument. Burden of proof is on you. Are you just on this thread to heckle?
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again, tell us exactly how the POTUS can stop a filibuster in the Senate
your own fucking story said this was the MOST MODEST of gun control proposals
I guess we'll just have to wait until enough Republican Senators have their friends or family killed by gun nuts and then maybe they will do something
As 333386 said, it's by being a leader. Guess what! Reagan NEVER had the Senate or the House under his party's control. Yet, he got things done. Clinton only had Congress for two of his eight years. Yet, most of his legislative accomplishments and the legacy of his presidency were done the other six years when the GOP ran Congress.
Both men were LEADERS. They were able to persuade people to vote for certain issues, from time to time.
Obama can't do that. He's demonizing Republicans every chance he gets. Yet, he knows he needs GOP votes to pass that bill: Not the smartest of tactics.
But, let's tell it like it is: This bill was never going to get to Obama's desk, anyway. Obama's just mad, because his plan to have this die in the House in order to demonize the GOP congressmen BACKFIRED!!
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So what, it could be mentioned a million times. I'm asking you to source the numbers. You're using these numbers for YOUR argument. Burden of proof is on you. Are you just on this thread to heckle?
Support for a process providing legal status to undocumented immigrants reached a new high in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, while vast public backing for expanded background checks on gun sales held strong – two prominent issues coming to the fore in Congress.
With a vote on gun control measures pending, 86 percent support extending background checks to gun sales at gun shows and online. Much smaller majorities support banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, 56 percent in each case, with the latter down from its peak, 65 percent in January, a month after the elementary school shootings in Newtown, Conn.
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Support for a process providing legal status to undocumented immigrants reached a new high in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, while vast public backing for expanded background checks on gun sales held strong – two prominent issues coming to the fore in Congress.
With a vote on gun control measures pending, 86 percent support extending background checks to gun sales at gun shows and online. Much smaller majorities support banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, 56 percent in each case, with the latter down from its peak, 65 percent in January, a month after the elementary school shootings in Newtown, Conn.
Thank you. I appreciate you providing the information
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Support for a process providing legal status to undocumented immigrants reached a new high in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, while vast public backing for expanded background checks on gun sales held strong – two prominent issues coming to the fore in Congress.
With a vote on gun control measures pending, 86 percent support extending background checks to gun sales at gun shows and online. Much smaller majorities support banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, 56 percent in each case, with the latter down from its peak, 65 percent in January, a month after the elementary school shootings in Newtown, Conn.
Every gun show i ever went to required the NICS check - same w online sales in order for the gun to be shipped to a FFL. Anything else is already illegal.
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and only 4% felt gun control was an imprtant issue.
The only reason o-twink is pissed off is that he cant blame the gop house for this heading into 2014.
failed leadership - lame duck
great, show your source for that claim
I know you're a fucking moron so I'll give you an example
here is a quote:
The latest poll from Quinnipiac University showed a staggering 88 percent of registered voters nationwide — including 85 percent of voters with guns in their households — support background checks for all gun buyers.
here is where the quote came from:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/03/background-checks-polling-senate.php
here is the poll that is cited in the story:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes--centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1861
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OWNED.
Sit down, leftist bitches. :D :D :D :D
Obama is such a lame duck. Can't even get all the Dems to vote in line! LOL!
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CNSNews.com) – Only 4 percent of Americans think guns and gun control are an important problem facing the country, according to Gallup, and far more Americans are concerned about the economy, unemployment and the federal debt.
In its poll from Apr. 4-7, Gallup surveyed 1,005 adults by telephone and asked, “What do you think is the most important problem facing the country today?”
Respondents answered in the following order:
Economy in general 24%
Unemployment/Jobs 18%
Dissatisfaction with Government 16%
Federal budget deficit/Federal debt 11%
Healthcare 6%
Ethical/Moral/Family decline 5%
Immigration/Illegal aliens 4%
Education 4%
Guns/Gun control 4%
Situation with North Korea 4%
Lack of Money 3%
Welfare 2%
Lack of respect for each other 2%
Poverty/Hunger/Homelessness 2%
Foreign aid/Focus overseas 2%
Taxes 2%
Despite the Obama administration’s strong push for more gun control legislation, few Americans are concerned about the issue.
As Gallup reports, “Few Americans mention guns or immigration as the most important problems facing the nation today, despite the current attention lawmakers in Washington are giving to these issues. The economy still dominates as the top concern, followed by jobs and dissatisfaction with the general way in which Congress and the government work.”
These data “underscore the prominence of economic issues in Americans’ minds,” said Gallup.
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lol have'nt we learned our lession with gallup
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Gallup Poll also shows 91% of American favor background checks
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160085/americans-back-obama-proposals-address-gun-violence.aspx
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Gallup Poll also shows 91% of American favor background checks
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160085/americans-back-obama-proposals-address-gun-violence.aspx
There already is background checks moron! Its called the NICS system
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There already is background checks moron! Its called the NICS system
does it include private party transactions?
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does it include private party transactions?
No - and guess what - criminals dont go through the NICS system now! That is why they are criminals.
This bill was meaningless nonsense.
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No - and guess what - criminals dont go through the NICS system now! That is why they are criminals.
This bill was meaningless nonsense.
so I guess you're saying that no criminal has ever failed a background check
is that what you're saying
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so I guess you're saying that no criminal has ever failed a background check
is that what you're saying
Many have and guess what? Holder and Obama are prosecuting next to no one who fails it now!
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by Dan Noyes, Center for Investigative Reporting
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Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception. An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.
In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.
The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel's own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen. Like bank robbers, who are interested in banks, gun traffickers are interested in FFLs because that's where the guns are. This is why FFLs are a large source of illegal guns for traffickers, who ultimately wind up selling the guns on the street.
According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."
The report goes on to state that "over-the-counter purchases are not the only means by which guns reach the illegal market from FFLs" and reveals that 23,775 guns have been reported lost, missing or stolen from FFLs since September 13, 1994, when a new law took effect requiring dealers to report gun thefts within 48 hours. This makes the theft of 6,000 guns reported in the CIR/Frontline show "Hot Guns" only 25% of all cases reported to ATF in the past two and one-half years.
Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts.
While many guns are taken off the street when people are arrested and any firearms in their possession are confiscated, a new study shows how easily arrestees believe they could illegally acquire another firearm. Supported by the National Institute of Justice and based on interviews with those recently arrested, the study acknowledges gun theft is common, with 13 percent of all arrestees interviewed admitting that they had stolen a gun. However a key finding is that "the illegal market is the most likely source" for these people to obtain a gun. "In fact, more than half the arrestees say it is easy to obtain guns illegally," the report states. Responding to a question of how they obtained their most recent handgun, the arrestees answered as follows: 56% said they paid cash; 15% said it was a gift; 10% said they borrowed it; 8% said they traded for it; while 5% only said that they stole it.
ATF officials say that only about 8% of the nation's 124,000 retail gun dealers sell the majority of handguns that are used in crimes. They conclude that these licensed retailers are part of a block of rogue entrepreneurs tempted by the big profits of gun trafficking. Cracking down on these dealers continues to be a priority for the ATF. What's needed, according to Wachtel, is better monitoring of the activities of legally licensed gun dealers. This means examining FFL paperwork to see where their guns are coming from, and making sure that those guns are being sold legally. But he says, "Let's be honest. If someone wants a gun, it's obvious the person will not have difficulty buying a gun, either legally or through the extensive United States black market."
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Gallup Poll also shows 91% of American favor background checks
So you think the Senators just all went against their constituents?
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In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.
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That is already illegal now.
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Many have and guess what? Holder and Obama are prosecuting next to no one who fails it now!
is failing a background check now a crime?
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So you think the Senators just all went against their constituents?
maybe the ones who voted against it had the 9% of american who weren't in favor of it in their states and had zero constituents who were in favor of it
do you think that's possible?
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maybe the ones who voted against it had the 9% of american who weren't in favor of it in their states and had zero constituents who were in favor of it
do you think that's possible?
I do not.
Mostly because you're saying that only 9% of the country lives in the red states.
That seems EXTREMELY unlikely.
I could get the census and do the math, but I'm really not going to take the time. You would be saying that 91% of the population would vote Democrat and only 9% would vote Republican (As I'm sure you can agree that there's a pretty good political line drawn on "gun control")
We know that's not the case.
As a matter of fact, I know in Virginia 1 Senator voted for it, and another voted against it.
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I do not.
Mostly because you're saying that only 9% of the country lives in the red states.
That seems EXTREMELY unlikely.
I could get the census and do the math, but I'm really not going to take the time. You would be saying that 91% of the population would vote Democrat and only 9% would vote Republican (As I'm sure you can agree that there's a pretty good political line drawn on "gun control")
We know that's not the case.
As a matter of fact, I know in Virginia 1 Senator voted for it, and another voted against it.
all I'm really saying is that multiple polls show overwhelming support (88-91%) for universal background check
I'm not even saying the polls are correct (though I suspect they are close to correct)
just saying, that's what the polls show
Even NRA members show strong support for this
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GOP and Guns: Just Digging a Hole
By: John Zogby Forbes.com Contributor
I wrote last week about the fact that the Newtown incident is a defining moment that requires reflection, action, and sacrifice. Just yesterday, the Senate rejected the very mild Manchin-Toomey compromise that would have add background checks to gun shows and internet sales, but not to private and family transfers. This is a very mild reform and no one has really been able to show how it infringes upon anyone's rights. The only arguments actually revolve around a sort of domino theory: i.e. this step will lead to a national gun registry, which will lead to… which will lead to…
When I renew my driver's license I have to take an eye exam and pass it. My success or failure to see is recorded somewhere. A document that states that I am legally blind or that I need corrective lenses in order to operate a motor vehicle is certainly a violation of my rights - though I am not sure which amendment - but beneficial to my community. It is a tradeoff we make for the community good. So too is the statement I need to sign that I have been treated for heart ailments. I don't necessarily want people to know that but I guess they should be aware that if I have a massive coronary attack and jump a highway median, that it wasn't the open container of Chavas Regal in the brown paper bag next to me. Talk of a denial of rights. You mean I can't drink and drive after a hard day annoying people with my polls? I can't drive a motorcycle at 90 miles an hour without a helmet? What else do we pay public works employees to do except pick up pieces of bloody brains and craniums?
Gun owners have rights. Not too long ago, smokers did, too. There is a higher calling, a public good. Automobiles can kill people. Motorcycles can kill people. Driving too fast on a motorcycle (and without a helmet) can cause insurance and taxes to go up. Littering is an expression of free speech. Dumping my trash on an open field at midnight is a convenience and saves me money.
This is absurd. Have your guns and have your fun. But guns can kill people. Some actually do. Call me old-fashioned, but I want to help law enforcement find a perpetrator as quickly as possible. This appears to me to help law abiding gun owners, not hurt them.
What about the politics of this vote in the Senate? A very good editor in Washington in DC asked me this morning if the failure to pass background checks represents a failure for Barack Obama and a permanent loss of his political mojo. I think not. With Congress' rating at 14%, with 90% of likely voters supporting background checks, with the images of the Newtown families and the intensity of support for gun control now matching that of guns rights advocates, a more popular President now has a solid wedge issue to carry him into the 2014 congressional elections. Not only does the President have 90% support on this, he also has solid and intense sentiment for background checks and action among his key base constituencies. I have used this metaphor before: the GOP can "win" in the short term by playing defense, but when the public demands action, as they do now, they are going to have to figure out to put the ball into the hoop.
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all I'm really saying is that multiple polls show overwhelming support (88-91%) for universal background check
I'm not even saying the polls are correct (though I suspect they are close to correct)
just saying, that's what the polls show
Even NRA members show strong support for this
The problem is the numbers can change the more specific the questions become. You ask people a broad question like whether they support back ground checks on all gun purchases and they are likely to answer yes. Start giving them specifics on what such a measure entail and they begin to change their opinion. This happens all the time with polls.
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The problem is the numbers can change the more specific the questions become. You ask people a broad question like whether they support back ground checks on all gun purchases and they are likely to answer yes. Start giving them specifics on what such a measure entail and they begin to change their opinion. This happens all the time with polls.
fair enough
do you have an examples as it pertains to the subject at hand
I've seen stories saying 80% + of gun owners and 74% of NRA members support universal background checks
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fair enough
do you have an examples as it pertains to the subject at hand
I've seen stories saying 80% + of gun owners and 74% of NRA members support universal background checks
I do not have data that pertains to the topic. I will do some research into this particular poll such as who conducted it and what it entailed. I'm surprised that 90% of Americans can agree on anything.
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"First of all, 90 percent of people saying they favor background checks is not the same thing as saying they favor Manchin-Toomey."
I don't expect the "Hooked on Phonics" brigade to understand that.
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Well, let's focus on the point.
Do you agree that a majority of Americans want Obamacare repealed?
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Well, let's focus on the point.
Do you agree that a majority of Americans want Obamacare repealed?
I don't agree
most recent poll I can find (from McLauglin and Associates) March 13, 2013 only shows that only 32% want Obamacare repealed
I'd provide a link but why bother when no one else ever does (for example - where is your source or Bereft Fairy ?)
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I don't agree
most recent poll I can find (from McLauglin and Associates) March 13, 2013 only shows that only 32% want Obamacare repealed
I'd provide a link but why bother when no one else ever does (for example - where is your source or Bereft Fairy ?)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/03/repeal-poll.png
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/03/repeal-poll.png)
Washington Post?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/03/repeal-poll.png
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/03/repeal-poll.png)
Washington Post?
you got it
thanks for proving my point
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you got it
thanks for proving my point
Oh, I'm sorry... but "repeal or change" doesn't get it done for you?
You're trying to argue semantics that more than 50% of people do not like Obamacare in it's current form right?
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Oh, I'm sorry... but "repeal or change" doesn't get it done for you?
You're trying to argue semantics that more than 50% of people do not like Obamacare in it's current form right?
who is arguing semantics
you said REPEAL did you not?
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Would this law have prevented Newtown?
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who is arguing semantics
you said REPEAL did you not?
Ok, so then let's say "repeal or change".
If you want to change it, then you don't like it the way it is... So it's definitely not "accept".
So let's say a majority of people do not "accept" Obamacare... So shouldn't Obamacare be modified or repealed? I mean, this is what your argument is about the gun vote right?
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^^^^
LMFAO its a reputable source dont you know?
whats funny is that in the poll that gave the 90% number the fundy libtards are throwing around. A question was also asked about whether or not ppl thought that the background checks would be used in the future by the govt to confiscate guns, the majority of the ppl agreed...
fact is govt finally got one right in a era of wrong decision after wrong decision.
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Ok, so then let's say "repeal or change".
If you want to change it, then you don't like it the way it is... So it's definitely not "accept".
So let's say a majority of people do not "accept" Obamacare... So shouldn't Obamacare be modified or repealed? I mean, this is what your argument is about the gun vote right?
fine with me
say what you mean next time
from what I've read there are probably going to need to be some changes/tweaks and the "Accept + Change" group is bigger than the "Repeal + Change" group
more to your original point, what Fairy said is once again proven to be a lie
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Would this law have prevented Newtown?
Bump.
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^^^^
LMFAO its a reputable source dont you know?
whats funny is that in the poll that gave the 90% number the fundy libtards are throwing around. A question was also asked about whether or not ppl thought that the background checks would be used in the future by the govt to confiscate guns, the majority of the ppl agreed...
fact is govt finally got one right in a era of wrong decision after wrong decision.
feel free to show some proof that the McLaughlin & Associates is not "reputable"
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fine with me
say what you mean next time
from what I've read there are probably going to need to be some changes/tweaks and the "Accept + Change" group is bigger than the "Repeal + Change" group
more to your original point, what Fairy said is once again proven to be a lie
Will you also admit that more people dislike Obamacare than like it? If that is the case, then why do you complain about the gun vote?
Basically you are still saying that if you like it, even if the rest of the country doesn't, that's what counts.
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Bump.
nobody said it would,you do realize there can be different scenarios ::)
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nobody said it would,you do realize there can be different scenarios ::)
So then whats the fucking point?
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nobody said it would,you do realize there can be different scenarios ::)
then why is obama parading the parents of the victims around to try and push it?
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So then whats the fucking point?
your just playing dumb, ??? right
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your just playing dumb, ??? right
Not at all. Thid ghetto street communist punk keeps saying we cant wait for another Newtown to occur. So would this act have prevenyed Newtown?
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then why is obama parading the parents of the victims around to try and push it?
bump, if the proposed gun legislation wouldnt prevent the mass killings at newtown why is obama parading the victims parents around to push it?
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I don't agree
most recent poll I can find (from McLauglin and Associates) March 13, 2013 only shows that only 32% want Obamacare repealed
I'd provide a link but why bother when no one else ever does (for example - where is your source or Bereft Fairy ?)
Your most recent poll, you twat. It polled over 50% for years. You had nothing to say then.
Thanks for proving my point, you hypocritical, stalking fag.
Stick to sniffing 333's ass.
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Will you also admit that more people dislike Obamacare than like it? If that is the case, then why do you complain about the gun vote?
Basically you are still saying that if you like it, even if the rest of the country doesn't, that's what counts.
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You won't get a straight answer from that twat. He's the biggest douche bag on the forum.
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Not at all. Thid ghetto street communist punk keeps saying we cant wait for another Newtown to occur. So would this act have prevenyed Newtown?
lol really,your not playing,ok let's say there's another school shooting but the shooter gets his gun by a different means,maybe the bill would prevent him from getting his gun
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Not at all. Thid ghetto street communist punk keeps saying we cant wait for another Newtown to occur. So would this act have prevenyed Newtown?
Bump.
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Ban pressure cookers.
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bump, if the proposed gun legislation wouldnt prevent the mass killings at newtown why is obama parading the victims parents around to push it?
come on blackass, i know youve seen my posts...answer the question libby
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An American politician is taking major heat for having tweeted "I wonder how many residents of Boston who've been cowaring in their homes today wish they had an AR15"
He's been apologizing all day! ;D
I guess politicians no longer have the right to be concerned about or wonder what the American public may be thinking in times of crisis.
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An American politician is taking major heat for having tweeted "I wonder how many residents of Boston who've been cowaring in their homes today wish they had an AR15"
He's been apologizing all day! ;D
I guess politicians no longer have the right to be concerned about or wonder what the American public may be thinking in times of crisis.
Unofficial-official NRA theme song, perhaps?
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Your most recent poll, you twat. It polled over 50% for years. You had nothing to say then.
Thanks for proving my point, you hypocritical, stalking fag.
Stick to sniffing 333's ass.
sniffing his ass is your job
my job is pointing out you're a pathological liar and 333 is a mentally ill moron
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sniffing his ass is your job
my job is pointing out you're a pathological liar and 333 is a mentally ill moron
Lol. Rough week for you huh?
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Will you also admit that more people dislike Obamacare than like it? If that is the case, then why do you complain about the gun vote?
Basically you are still saying that if you like it, even if the rest of the country doesn't, that's what counts.
Asked again.
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Lol. Rough week for you huh?
it was a great week
this has been a fantastic year so far
how about you
did you get your shithole in the ghetto sold yet?
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Asked again.
is this for me?
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it was a great week
this has been a fantastic year so far
how about you
did you get your shithole in the ghetto sold yet?
Gun control vote - down the rat hole and otwink melting down like a bitch
Obama voter committing worst terrorism since 9/11
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is this for me?
It was asked 3 times to you directly.
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Gun control vote - down the rat hole and otwink melting down like a bitch
Obama voter committing worst terrorism since 9/11
so what
neither one effects me and why would I give a shit if the bomber voted for Obama
only a moron would think that has any significance
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so what
neither one effects me and why would I give a shit if the bomber voted for Obama
only a moron would think that has any significance
LOL
Maybe something about obamas policies appeal to terrorists and murderers? Just sayin :-\
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It was asked 3 times to you directly.
I already pointed out the Fairy is a liar
the very meager gun legislation to require universal background checks has support at ~ 90%
repealing Obamacare never had near that level of support and doesn't currently have anywhere near majority support
As it gets implemented (i.e. people actually learn about and experience the benefits) that level of discontent will likely go down ever further
what else do you want to know
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I already pointed out the Fairy is a liar
the very meager gun legislation to require universal background checks has support at ~ 90%
repealing Obamacare never had near that level of support and doesn't currently have anywhere near majority support
As it gets implemented (i.e. people actually learn about and experience the benefits) that level of discontent will likely go down ever further
what else do you want to know
LOL
Not liberal lie left behind right?
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LOL
Maybe something about obamas policies appeal to terrorists and murderers? Just sayin :-\
yeah, because two guys out of 65 million people who voted for Obama is statistically significant
you might take this as a clue as to why you're the dumbest lawyer on the planet and living in a ghetto
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I already pointed out the Fairy is a liar
the very meager gun legislation to require universal background checks has support at ~ 90%
repealing Obamacare never had near that level of support and doesn't currently have anywhere near majority support
As it gets implemented (i.e. people actually learn about and experience the benefits) that level of discontent will likely go down ever further
what else do you want to know
So now it's about how much the majority of people like something?
You didn't really answer the question either.
You won't admit that > 50% think that there are things wrong with Obamacare, and that's not enough, but you think that there's some 90% of people who want to have Gun Laws change?
Even when their senators apparently know they do not? Sounds weird. I mean 90% is so high that NO politician would ignore it... They'd have to vote for it right?
Yet for some reason Democrats like Warner in Va. decided to vote against it anyway.... Very interesting.
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yeah, because two guys out of 65 million people who voted for Obama is statistically significant
you might take this as a clue as to why you're the dumbest lawyer on the planet and living in a ghetto
Why the hate?
I know that it must suck ass to realize O-Twink is done and a lame duck, gun control dead, terrorists who voted for obama showing the love, etc, but why all the hate?
You voted for the Messiah - cause he aint changing water into wine is no reason to melt down.
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i've never head of a lawyer living in the getto,only on getbig :D :D
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So now it's about how much the majority of people like something?
You didn't really answer the question either.
You won't admit that > 50% think that there are things wrong with Obamacare, and that's not enough, but you think that there's some 90% of people who want to have Gun Laws change?
Even when their senators apparently know they do not? Sounds weird. I mean 90% is so high that NO politician would ignore it... They'd have to vote for it right?
Yet for some reason Democrats like Warner in Va. decided to vote against it anyway.... Very interesting.
Fairy said REPEAL
he even put it in capital letters
I pointed out that he was a LIAR
The very meager gun legislation had a SUPER MAJORITY approval by the country (+ 20% more)
there is simply no comparison but if you'd like to pretend there is then go right ahead
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Why the hate?
I know that it must suck ass to realize O-Twink is done and a lame duck, gun control dead, terrorists who voted for obama showing the love, etc, but why all the hate?
You voted for the Messiah - cause he aint changing water into wine is no reason to melt down.
what hatred
it's just math
why the profound stupidity
did you eat a lot of paint chips as a kid or maybe get dropped on your head a few times
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Fairy said REPEAL
he even put it in capital letters
I pointed out that he was a LIAR
The very meager gun legislation and a SUPER MAJORITY approval by the country (+ 20% more)
there is simply no comparison but if you'd like to pretend there is then go right ahead
I think it's a fair comparison about what people do and do not like.
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what hatred
it's just math
why the profound stupidity
did you eat a lot of paint chips as a kid or maybe get dropped on your head a few times
You mean like Otwink lying about the stats of background checks, support for his ridiculous law, etc?
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I think it's a fair comparison about what people do and do not like.
fair enough
I don't agree and I've explained why so I guess we don't have any further to discuss unless you have something new to add
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You mean like Otwink lying about the stats of background checks, support for his ridiculous law, etc?
nope
your belief that 2 people out of 65 million is statistically significant
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fair enough
I don't agree and I've explained why so I guess we don't have any further to discuss unless you have something new to add
LOL - fucking whiney baby.
Typical liberal coliky baby - meltdown only when you get what you want.
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fair enough
I don't agree and I've explained why so I guess we don't have any further to discuss unless you have something new to add
Nope.
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nope
your belief that 2 people out of 65 million is statistically significant
:D
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LOL - fucking whiney baby.
Typical liberal coliky baby - meltdown only when you get what you want.
lol now this is priceless who is on here 24/7 crying like a baby about obama,and meltdowns, this coming from you the king of meltdowns :D :D
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LOL - fucking whiney baby.
Typical liberal coliky baby - meltdown only when you get what you want.
fucking moron
that was me being polite and pointing out that we don't agree on this topic and probably have nothing further to say to each other on the matter
if you want to know what a meltdown looks like go back to you posts around the time of November 6th (actually almost any other day would do as you live in a state of perpetual meltdown)
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fucking moron
that was me being polite and pointing out that we don't agree on this topic and probably have nothing further to say to each other on the matter
if you want to know what a meltdown looks like go back to you posts around the time of November 6th (actually almost any other day would do as you live in a state of perpetual meltdown)
Given that terrorists helped re-elect your messiah and carried out worst act of terrorism since 911 - i think said meltdown was justified
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/opinion/sunday/dowd-president-obama-is-no-bully-in-the-pulpit.html?_r=1&
LOL. Cry babies.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/opinion/sunday/dowd-president-obama-is-no-bully-in-the-pulpit.html?_r=1&
LOL. Cry babies.
lol, the repubs are to stupid to realize they're circling the wagons and firering inward , that's why even their own party call themselves the stupid party ;D
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lol, the repubs are to stupid to realize they're circling the wagons and firering inward , that's why even their own party call themselves the stupid party ;D
Even Dowd admits OLoser sucks.
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Feinstein: Watertown Citizens Don’t Need Assault Weapons to Protect Themselves
National Review ^ | Apr 21, 2013 | Andrew Johnson
Posted on Monday, April 22, 2013 10:00:04 AM by KeyLargo
Feinstein: Watertown Citizens Don’t Need Assault Weapons to Protect Themselves By Andrew Johnson April 21, 2013 1:09 PM
Senator Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.) stood by her push for an assault-weapons ban when Fox News Sunday’s Chris Wallace pressed her on whether Boston and Watertown residents may have preferred to arm and protect themselves on Friday while the suspect was at large. “If where you’re going is, do they need an assault weapon? I don’t think so,” she said.
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
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Unofficial-official NRA theme song, perhaps?
Sorry McWay, ...if you want me to comment on a Youtube vid, post one with lyrics I can understand.