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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: HowieW on April 17, 2006, 08:25:44 PM
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I have a lot of respct for Tom Prince being a pro bodybuilder and being so candid about how his reckless drug use ruined his health overall. I also believe he has a masters in English Lit and is pretty sharp guy.
However, when I saw him in the recent Chic pre masters show video, I had mixed feelings.
At first , I thought it kinda cool that he is still active in the sport, ya know helping Bob get ready.
On the other, it was kinda sad, I mean after he went thru, one would think he would use his education and leave this crazy sport behind.
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I have a lot of respct for Tom Prince being a pro bodybuilder and being so candid about how his reckless drug use ruined his health overall. I also believe he has a masters in English Lit and is pretty sharp guy.
However, when I saw him in the recent Chic pre masters show video, I had mixed feelings.
At first , I thought it kinda cool that he is still active in the sport, ya know helping Bob get ready.
On the other, it was kinda sad, I mean after he went thru, one would think he would use his education and leave this crazy sport behind.
Tom has never said that reckless drug use ruined his health. He's adament that it was Advil that damaged his kidneys and that he never used much gear.
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Tom has never said that reckless drug use ruined his health. He's adament that it was Advil that damaged his kidneys and that he never used much gear.
It boggles the mind how much denial some of these pros are in. Sad.
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does anyone know anyone with a "masters in english lit" who actually uses that masters for other than knowing how to spell "barista" properly?
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tom prince is a mess and never was candid about his drug use.. he never mentioned the ungodly amounts of drugs he took (advil doesnt cause kidney failure folks)- see nubain, and loads of steroids and who knows what else..
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I know many political science majors that debate their dates to boredom
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does anyone know anyone with a "masters in english lit" who actually uses that masters for other than knowing how to spell "barista" properly?
The fact is, given the credibility of most bodybuilders, its highly unlikely that Tom graduated college, let alone earned a masters degree. If he did, at the very least he could be teaching english or earning a living wage in some manner that capitalized on it.
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It boggles the mind how much denial some of these pros are in. Sad.
it makes sense. take some kidney-toxic steroids and have a massive advil addiction and they are going to turn into mush. if it was the steroids alone that did it to him everyone would be in his state.
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Maybe it was the combination of those two.
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"Advil" ::) Oh brother!
Not so far fetched,
''Ibuprofen can shut down your kidneys,'' said Dr. Claudia Kawas of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. ''That would be a terrible thing to do while trying to prevent something you might not even get.''
http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/031097/ibuprofe.htm
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As far as Tom in college, Jay Cutler told me that Tom was a swimmer in college. And why is it so hard to believe that he has a masters?
Because even on a bodybuilding board, people think bodybuilders are morons. They don't know the difference between intelligence and decision making.
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what chic would be slightly attracted to prince?? the guy is sick with major health problems, his face is ugly and his body looks boney....so there will be no swinging there. maybe in the past since the wife is quite the whore...then again why would she let him know she is fuckin around it will just break his heart...remember she "only fucks pros" so why dragging him along with her? meet 2 real bodybuilders in hotel/motel and have some fun...then go back to 180lb hubby. you get what you ask for buddy ;)
What do you mean 180lb hubby? Here is an article on Flex On Line where they state he is 230lbs.
http://www.flexonline.com/train/69
The Beef.
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tom prince is a mess and never was candid about his drug use.. he never mentioned the ungodly amounts of drugs he took (advil doesnt cause kidney failure folks)- see nubain, and loads of steroids and who knows what else..
If I recall correctly he did mention that he used a lot of steriods back in the dec 03 or jan 04 issue of Flex. He said something along the lines to the doctors, "if I told you how much stuff I was on, get ready to get a pen and a notebook."
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"gear doesn't make a pro" - 180lb version of tom prince who claims to be 230lb
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What do you mean 180lb hubby? Here is an article on Flex On Line where they state he is 230lbs.
http://www.flexonline.com/train/69
The Beef.
I don't really care what Tom Prince weighs but if you watch the Bodybuilding.com show that has Chick getting ready for the Masters you can tell that Tom ain't 230.
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when I was younger I worked with the public alot. During this time I contracted an airborne virus that attacked my liver and spleen. It was described as a form of hepatitus caused by infectious mononucleousus. I was told by doctors that my liver was pretty screwed up but the liver can regenerate...anyway I was told to stay away from advil during this time because it has a tendency to put alot of stress on the liver. If Tom took as much as he says, I believe that could have caused alot of liver damage but I'm sure the roids didn't help.
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The fact is, given the credibility of most bodybuilders, its highly unlikely that Tom graduated college, let alone earned a masters degree. If he did, at the very least he could be teaching english or earning a living wage in some manner that capitalized on it.
didnt he write for the magazines?
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i believe around 97 or so Tom was teacing english at the university of miami. this was in flex, but who knows if it's true. never heard much else about it.
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I remember reading really early on that Tom was working towards a masters in Lit. This was before he hit the national scene..I think it was in Muscle beach news in musclemag..the story has been pretty consistant over the years so I have no reason to believe this isn't true. I guess he's involved in BB because he enjoys doing it and he's probably making a ton of money working with guys like Jonnie Jackson and Bob.
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By no mean am I defending Tom as I think he has painted "some of the picture"
Could Advil be a factor is the shutting down of his kidneys? Perhaps. Lets not forget diuretics can also harm kidneys...
I found this online...
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/kidney-failure/DS00280/DSECTION=3
Scroll down to Drugs
From another article...
In addition, drug overdose, excessive use of alcohol, long-term use of pain medications such as aspirin, acetaminophen (Tylenol, others) and ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin, others), and treatment with the antibiotics streptomycin or gentamicin can increase your vulnerability to kidney failure.
Tom knows he is finished so wy not live Vicariously through his clients...
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what is nubain and what is the reason for use?
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masters in English Lit
What school is the degree from?
And 230 pounds? This guy looks like Robin Gibbs from the Bee Gees. Come on.
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what is nubain and what is the reason for use?
It's a painkiller, and it's addictive, like most painkillers.
IMO the kidney failures you are seeing are a combination of diuretics, painkillers and prolonged oral steroid use.
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It's a painkiller, and it's addictive, like most painkillers.
IMO the kidney failures you are seeing are a combination of diuretics, painkillers and prolonged oral steroid use.
and rediculous amounts of protein day in day out , year in year out .... all these factors have a cumulative effect!
pro-bodybuildin is hazardous to the kydneys , fullstop!
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i dont see it being the nubain so much as it was the insane amounts of protein, the diuretics, the gear, the insulin, the GH, the IGF, the 50 vitamin and mineral tablets he probably took a day, the extreme dieting, and the other rec drugs that he took. i have heard from some that he was a cocktail man who liked to mix some white powdery stuff with nubain and hit that. but that was what someone from venice had told me before. i dont know that for a fact.
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diuretics, extreme dieting, other rec drugs
Those are the big three
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you guys are such haters, you can easily tell that Tom Prince isn't 180 lbs., he's 182.
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Anadrol and Advil; the secret to becoming a legendary pro like Tom Prince ;)
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I think anything you put in your body that isn't naturally there will be hard on your kidneys...especially in excessive amounts...I mean they have to filter all of it out of your blood.
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you guys are such haters, you can easily tell that Tom Prince isn't 180 lbs., he's 182.
He looks more like 120 pounds to me.
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;)
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What school is the degree from?
And 230 pounds? This guy looks like Robin Gibbs from the Bee Gees. Come on.
I think he attended the same the same school Ronnie did..........Gremlin state.........
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I love Anadrol. Always have... always will. :)
PS: When I'm dead, would somebody please make sure they bury me with one blister pack of 20 Anadrol tablets? Thank you.
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http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=346423&page=2 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=346423&page=2)
On this page he claims it was the Advil and that he only spent 1,800K on steroids when he turned Pro. I don't know about the Advil but the 1,800K has to be a lie.
"1,800K" ??
That would be 1.8 million. That's a lotta roids, man. :o
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"1,800K" ??
That would be 1.8 million. That's a lotta roids, man. :o
Maybe he spent that much on a 1,800 carat diamond.
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"1,800K" ??
That would be 1.8 million. That's a lotta roids, man. :o
No, I believe the $1,800 figure. For a guy like Tom it probably works like an auto insurance policy. The
$1,800 is his deductible, and his sugerdaddy's pay the rest.
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"I spent $1800 the year I WON Nationals (1997). "
not 1.8 million, who would write 1800k in the first place, lol?
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I understand that. What's your point?
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Tom has enough experience to make sure others don't do what he did. It's wonderful that he looks out for other bodybuilders now.
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i heard tom's benching over 200lbs. any truth to these rumors?
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Unless he was a teaching assistant, I'm betting he's full of crap that he "taught at UM".
With a Masters and zero teaching experience/advanced study/experience, an individual would be lucky to swing an adjunct instructor position at UM's adjacent community college. There's no way they just hand a 23-year old guy with his masters an English professorship at a private university like Miami.
More than likely, Tom was a tutor at UM's testing/remediation department to help kids pass the CLAST :-\
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Unless he was a teaching assistant, I'm betting he's full of crap that he "taught at UM".
With a Masters and zero teaching experience/advanced study/experience, an individual would be lucky to swing an adjunct instructor position at UM's adjacent community college. There's no way they just hand a 23-year old guy with his masters an English professorship at a private university like Miami.
More than likely, Tom was a tutor at UM's testing/remediation department to help kids pass the CLAST :-\
I will personally guarantee that Tom Prince never taught college level English at the University of Miami. Another lie from a delusional oiled up fukdoll.
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There's no way Prince weighs 230
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Unless he was a teaching assistant, I'm betting he's full of crap that he "taught at UM".
With a Masters and zero teaching experience/advanced study/experience, an individual would be lucky to swing an adjunct instructor position at UM's adjacent community college. There's no way they just hand a 23-year old guy with his masters an English professorship at a private university like Miami.
More than likely, Tom was a tutor at UM's testing/remediation department to help kids pass the CLAST :-\
He probably was some kind of TA, they're everywhere.
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I'm quite skeptical of such lofty educational claims (Graduate degree in English Literature) from a person who has made literally hundreds of posts on the web using the word "pro's" (note the apostrophe, as in the possessive form of "pro") as the plural form of "pro". Certainly anyone with even an undergrad degree in English Literature (or most other degree programs where writing would be heavily emphasized and critiqued) would know to not to put an apostrophe when writing the plural form of pro (pros).
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Why would Tom want to be an English professor when he already has a good job at Max Muscle??
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what is nubain and what is the reason for use?
Here you can view Mark enjoying his Nubain. Mmmmm,,,aaahhhh,,,nubain! 8)
http://media.putfile.com/Smashing-Machine
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Why would Tom want to be an English professor when he already has a good job at Max Muscle??
I first learned of his BA degree in English and plans for grad school from FLEX magaizine about 10 years ago.
While it is UNlikely a masters could get one a prof. post at any major U, he could get a job teaching at Junior college, or private/public high school.
I have 2 masters and am just another Joe Blow high school teacher (physics), but it is a decent stable career.
My original point deals with how Tom Prince seems unable to let go and leave the world of bodybuilding.
The reason I consider this to be kinda sad is due to the fact that bodybuilding may be something he is "addicted to" and he is unwilling to go on to other career/life goals????????
At any rate , I wis TP all the best for continued good health now that he has left getting on stage behind.
Howard
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I'm quite skeptical of such lofty educational claims (Graduate degree in English Literature) from a person who has made literally hundreds of posts on the web using the word "pro's" (note the apostrophe, as in the possessive form of "pro") as the plural form of "pro". Certainly anyone with even an undergrad degree in English Literature (or most other degree programs where writing would be heavily emphasized and critiqued) would know to not to put an apostrophe when writing the plural form of pro (pros).
It seems weird, but then again, some people can't tell the difference between "loose" and "lose". ::)
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The fact is, given the credibility of most bodybuilders, its highly unlikely that Tom graduated college, let alone earned a masters degree. If he did, at the very least he could be teaching english or earning a living wage in some manner that capitalized on it.
hell i thought all pro bb had a MBA from wharton ;D
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It seems weird, but then again, some people can't tell the difference between "loose" and "lose". ::)
I'd say that's probably a much more common error. Hell, I occasionally catch myself misspelling "lose" as "loose". Then again, I don't claim to have a Master's in English Literature. I'm just your typical GetBig "looser" I guess... ;D
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I'd say that's probably a much more common error. Hell, I occasionally catch myself misspelling "lose" as "loose". Then again, I don't claim to have a Master's in English Literature. I'm just your typical GetBig "looser" I guess... ;D
;D For some reason it really pisses me off when people confuse the two. Why did it start? But I see what you are saying, Tom did misspell some things and use odd grammar for someone of his education. Maybe he was always on the verge of Supporting Getbig while he was posting.
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;D For some reason it really pisses me off when people confuse the two. Why did it start? But I see what you are saying, Tom did misspell some things and use odd grammar for someone of his education. Maybe he was always on the verge of Supporting Getbig while he was posting.
Tom was world famous. When people are stars, they have ghost writers. He doesn't even own a computer..
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Tom was world famous. When people are stars, they have ghost writers. He doesn't even own a computer..
Well, if we are to believe Kevin Levrone, some pros do use ghostwriters for their online rantings.
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Tom was world famous. When people are stars, they have ghost writers. He doesn't even own a computer..
Yes, he is indeed world famous. I think that if any national mainstream publication took a poll on who the world's most easily recognized faces are, TP would certainly be in anybody's top ten.
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The thing I've always wondered about, is the kidney issue. Our own Sean Maloney once mentioned overhearing some of TP's good friends at a contest that TP was a cocaine user, hence what Tom claims to be a "fistula (sp?)" for his dialysis treatments.
The kidneys filter blood, correct? Well, if your shooting coke in your veins, wouldn't the kidneys be one of the first stops of the now coke-laden blood? On a day-to-day basis, I'm sure this would lead to damaging the kidneys, right? (I'm thinking outloud here).
On top of the possible drug use, there is the diuretics for shows and maybe guest posings as well. Drying out your kidneys and the long periods of dehydration for shows would also lead to cumlative damage on your kidneys, right? Then you have the advil, which would cause some trouble with the kidneys, but not to the extent that TP claims. Then add in the protein and that's even more stress on the kidneys.
All of the steroids, advils, diuretics, and the rumoured drug use probably were what caused his kidney failure. So, TP's telling what happened, just not quite as it actually happened. Somewhat skewed the story to suit his ego. It's the truth, just not the whole truth!
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If I recall correctly he did mention that he used a lot of steriods back in the dec 03 or jan 04 issue of Flex. He said something along the lines to the doctors, "if I told you how much stuff I was on, get ready to get a pen and a notebook."
I remember this as well. But who knows if Flex used this quote in context.
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The thing I've always wondered about, is the kidney issue. Our own Sean Maloney once mentioned overhearing some of TP's good friends at a contest that TP was a cocaine user, hence what Tom claims to be a "fistula (sp?)" for his dialysis treatments.
The kidneys filter blood, correct? Well, if your shooting coke in your veins, wouldn't the kidneys be one of the first stops of the now coke-laden blood? On a day-to-day basis, I'm sure this would lead to damaging the kidneys, right? (I'm thinking outloud here).
On top of the possible drug use, there is the diuretics for shows and maybe guest posings as well. Drying out your kidneys and the long periods of dehydration for shows would also lead to cumlative damage on your kidneys, right? Then you have the advil, which would cause some trouble with the kidneys, but not to the extent that TP claims. Then add in the protein and that's even more stress on the kidneys.
All of the steroids, advils, diuretics, and the rumoured drug use probably were what caused his kidney failure. So, TP's telling what happened, just not quite as it actually happened. Somewhat skewed the story to suit his ego. It's the truth, just not the whole truth!
Are you talking about the time that someone mentioned TP mainlining cocaine?
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I personally think that the FLEX articles on Tom's downfall were pretty decent and describe the situation. Why is everyone so concerned over what drug use to the pill/shot/injection he confessed to?
The bottomline is that he took responsibilityfor his drug problems and health issues that followed.
Why does he need to provide a laundry list of every drug he took?
My main theme in this post is that I felt he seemed unable to put bodybuilding behind him and move on to other pursuits.
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Are you talking about the time that someone mentioned TP mainlining cocaine?
Yes, there is a post that Sean Maloney (then known as On_Swole) made about TP in one of their online debates. TP responded calling SM a drug dealer. It's over at MM, can probably find it if you wanted.
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Yes, there is a post that Sean Maloney (then known as On_Swole) made about TP in one of their online debates. TP responded calling SM a drug dealer. It's over at MM, can probably find it if you wanted.
Online "debates"? I will give you credit, you are a generous person. ;D
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tom prince is a mess and never was candid about his drug use.. he never mentioned the ungodly amounts of drugs he took (advil doesnt cause kidney failure folks)- see nubain, and loads of steroids and who knows what else..
Advil can cause kidney failure, folks!
of the causes of renal failure I saw and read about in 6 years of med school guess what. References to NSAIDS(group of drugs to which advil belongs): lots
references to diuretics:some
references to anabolic steroids:zero
regards, the Doc :)
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The dude freely admitted to using everything under the sun in large doses in a massive article printed in FLEX around the time of his kidney retardation. It is simply the case that taking vast quantities of painkillers for joint pain fuxks your kidneys up more than roids, which have other effects.
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Ok, let's say it was the advil... Not the tons of bodybuilding drugs. Let's talk about all the other pros (ex pros) that had kidney failure.. Let's face it people, it was the bodybuilding drugs..
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. Let's face it people, it was the bodybuilding drugs..
I'm not saying it's the BBing drugs. Other drugs, yes.
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Agreed. NSAIDS can cause huge problems, including prevention of blood clotting, destruction of muccus membranes, damage to the gastrointestinal tract, and damage to the kidneys and liver. It's why they had to pull drugs like VIOXX and restrict drugs like Celebrex.
The "Merse"
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Advil can cause kidney failure, folks!
of the causes of renal failure I saw and read about in 6 years of med school guess what. References to NSAIDS(group of drugs to which advil belongs): lots
references to diuretics:some
references to anabolic steroids:zero
regards, the Doc :)
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Agreed. NSAIDS can cause huge problems, including prevention of blood clotting, destruction of muccus membranes, damage to the gastrointestinal tract, and damage to the kidneys and liver. It's why they had to pull drugs like VIOXX and restrict drugs like Celebrex.
The "Merse"
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Hey Tinsley, In ireland it's a "Murse". only joking, regards,
the Doc :)
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(advil doesnt cause kidney failure folks)
An analgesic (AN-ul-JEE-zik) is any medicine intended to relieve pain. Over-the-counter analgesics (medicines bought without a prescription) include aspirin, acetaminophen, ibuprofen, naproxen sodium, and others. These drugs present no danger for most people when taken in the recommended dosage. But some conditions make taking even these common painkillers dangerous for the kidneys. Also, taking one or a combination of these drugs regularly over a long period of time may increase the risk for kidney problems. Most drugs that can cause kidney damage are excreted only through the kidneys.
Analgesic use has been associated with two different forms of kidney damage. Some patient case reports have attributed incidents of sudden-onset acute kidney failure to the use of over-the-counter painkillers, including aspirin, ibuprofen, and naproxen. The patients in these reports had risk factors such as systemic lupus erythematosus, advanced age, chronic kidney disease, or recent heavy alcohol consumption. These cases involved a single dose in some instances and generally short-term analgesic use of not more than 10 days. Acute kidney failure requires emergency dialysis to clean the blood. Kidney damage is frequently reversible, with normal kidney function returning after the emergency is over and the analgesic use is stopped.
A second form of kidney damage, called analgesic nephropathy, can result from taking painkillers every day for several years. Analgesic nephropathy is a chronic kidney disease that over years gradually leads to irreversible kidney failure and the permanent need for dialysis or a kidney transplant to restore renal function.
Longstanding daily use of painkillers composed of two or more analgesics (particularly aspirin and acetaminophen together) with caffeine or codeine are most likely to damage the kidneys. These mixtures are often sold as powders or tablets. Recent studies have suggested that longstanding daily use of single analgesics such as acetaminophen or ibuprofen may also increase the risk of chronic kidney damage.
In view of these findings, patients with conditions that put them at risk for acute kidney failure should check with their doctors before taking any analgesic medicine. People who take over-the-counter painkillers on an ongoing and regular basis should check with their doctors to make sure the drugs are not hurting their kidneys. The doctor may be able to recommend a safer alternative.
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