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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #1000 on: May 10, 2024, 03:57:07 PM »
True, but you are posting Bible verses on a public message board, so it's not exactly a secret that you are reading the Bible.  Just wondering why.

The  quotation I posted above is an eloquently stated  warning of the danger of using the Bible / Gospel/ Torah / Quran/ Bhagavad Gita to justify ones own view
It is from Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice
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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #1001 on: May 10, 2024, 09:29:10 PM »
The  quotation I posted above is an eloquently stated  warning of the danger of using the Bible / Gospel/ Torah / Quran/ Bhagavad Gita to justify ones own view
It is from Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice

I read Merchant of Venice many moons ago, but I couldn't recite a single line today.  If that's where it came from you should have just said that instead of trying to be cryptic. 

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #1002 on: May 14, 2024, 09:39:16 PM »
True, but you are posting Bible verses on a public message board, so it's not exactly a secret that you are reading the Bible.  Just wondering why.

For me, I grew up in the bible belt. Was subjected to the bible from the time I could walk. I bought into it. Read the most popular verses over and over for years. Around 30 I started reading the bible cover to cover. After a couple times reading it cover to cover and comparing it to secular historians and science, I dropped the belief. But I personally am more familiar with the bible than I would say 80% of American Christians. Haven't read it in years, but don't rain on my parade if I quote it at times... as I know it pretty well

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #1003 on: May 14, 2024, 09:52:11 PM »
For me, I grew up in the bible belt. Was subjected to the bible from the time I could walk. I bought into it. Read the most popular verses over and over for years. Around 30 I started reading the bible cover to cover. After a couple times reading it cover to cover and comparing it to secular historians and science, I dropped the belief. But I personally am more familiar with the bible than I would say 80% of American Christians. Haven't read it in years, but don't rain on my parade if I quote it at times... as I know it pretty well

I would venture to say that the vast majority of Christians have not read the Bible "cover to cover," much less multiple times.

It is weird that reading the Bible caused you to walk away from Christianity, yet you spend a lot of time quoting or referencing the Bible.  It's almost as if you are trying to convert people to your atheist religion.  But that is a prevalent practice among proselytizing atheists. 

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #1004 on: May 14, 2024, 10:23:44 PM »
I would venture to say that the vast majority of Christians have not read the Bible "cover to cover," much less multiple times.

It is weird that reading the Bible caused you to walk away from Christianity, yet you spend a lot of time quoting or referencing the Bible.  It's almost as if you are trying to convert people to your atheist religion.  But that is a prevalent practice among proselytizing atheists.

We both know you automatically take offense to anything I post. Having said that, no, I spend no time converting people to my non belief. I am concerned with remaining silent which allows the far right to push their religious agenda in courts which affects me. I will speak up on those occasions. I believe everyone has the right to believe what they want religion wise, as long as it doesn't impact me. That hasn't been the case so remaining silent is misinterpreted by the religious as we agree... we don't

on a personal note. I would not actively try and talk someone out of their belief in a god or gods. I was there. I understand it. But if faced with the argument, or subject matter, I won't remain silent. 

Its actually not weird... there is a popular bumper sticker out there that says "Atheist-Someone who has actually read the bible"... it's popular for a reason.

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #1005 on: May 15, 2024, 06:42:43 PM »
We both know you automatically take offense to anything I post. Having said that, no, I spend no time converting people to my non belief. I am concerned with remaining silent which allows the far right to push their religious agenda in courts which affects me. I will speak up on those occasions. I believe everyone has the right to believe what they want religion wise, as long as it doesn't impact me. That hasn't been the case so remaining silent is misinterpreted by the religious as we agree... we don't

on a personal note. I would not actively try and talk someone out of their belief in a god or gods. I was there. I understand it. But if faced with the argument, or subject matter, I won't remain silent. 

Its actually not weird... there is a popular bumper sticker out there that says "Atheist-Someone who has actually read the bible"... it's popular for a reason.

You have never said anything that offended me, so stop being dishonest.  Again. 

Saying you speak up about religion when “the far right” pushes their religious views in courts that affect you, completely contradicts the fact you are active on a public religious message board that has zero to do with the courts, government regulation, etc.  You’re here because for some strange reason you like to talk about things you don’t believe in.

And you’re not facing any kind of court or government-imposed oppression for being an atheist.  Nobody cares that you don’t believe in God or the Bible. 

The bumper sticker is so popular I’ve never heard of or seen it.  Lol  Regardless, it should say:  “Atheist:  Someone who has actually read and does not understand the Bible.” 

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #1006 on: May 18, 2024, 10:44:22 PM »
You have never said anything that offended me, so stop being dishonest.  Again. 

Saying you speak up about religion when “the far right” pushes their religious views in courts that affect you, completely contradicts the fact you are active on a public religious message board that has zero to do with the courts, government regulation, etc.  You’re here because for some strange reason you like to talk about things you don’t believe in.

And you’re not facing any kind of court or government-imposed oppression for being an atheist.  Nobody cares that you don’t believe in God or the Bible. 

The bumper sticker is so popular I’ve never heard of or seen it.  Lol  Regardless, it should say:  “Atheist:  Someone who has actually read and does not understand the Bible.”

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #1007 on: May 19, 2024, 12:05:48 PM »
I've read the bible and can discern it only because of the Holy Spirit that indwells me.  I've never been able to convert or convince or persuade a single atheist.  That's not my responsibility though.  My responsibility is to share the gospel and give reasons for the hope within me.   All I do is give those that have not made a choice a more complete perspective and the other side to the atheist rejection of God.  The Lord will draw those unto himself as he deems just, perfect and loving.

The other joke is the only person in the Catholic church mass carrying a bible is the protestant attending as a guest of a Catholic 😀

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #1009 on: May 20, 2024, 03:03:53 PM »
I've read the bible and can discern it only because of the Holy Spirit that indwells me.  I've never been able to convert or convince or persuade a single atheist.  That's not my responsibility though.  My responsibility is to share the gospel and give reasons for the hope within me.   All I do is give those that have not made a choice a more complete perspective and the other side to the atheist rejection of God.  The Lord will draw those unto himself as he deems just, perfect and loving.

The other joke is the only person in the Catholic church mass carrying a bible is the protestant attending as a guest of a Catholic 😀

I think the overwhelming majority of attempts to convince people to adopt religious beliefs through arguments will likely fail.  I never try it.  Outside of this board, I only talk about my faith when someone asks about it.  The best way to influence people in real life is to demonstrate Christlike behavior. 

But atheists who like to read and quote the Bible and argue with Christians are typically knuckleheads.  lol

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Re: Prayer and Religion in Public Life
« Reply #1010 on: May 21, 2024, 12:37:38 AM »
I think the overwhelming majority of attempts to convince people to adopt religious beliefs through arguments will likely fail.  I never try it.  Outside of this board, I only talk about my faith when someone asks about it.  The best way to influence people in real life is to demonstrate Christlike behavior. 

But atheists who like to read and quote the Bible and argue with Christians are typically knuckleheads.  lol
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