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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: AlphaMaleDawg on March 20, 2012, 04:11:06 PM
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anyone ever done this? How high of a dose? Anyone know the risks other than broscience? I don't want to come off
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I know someone who's taken it for 15 years. He's 50 now and has been running tren for more than 20 years, but 15 years of consecutive usage save for times where the Canadian UGL scene went through road bumps or he had medical issues, etc.
I know a few others who are a lot younger and have taken it for years on end too. I wouldn't worry about the bro science. As long as you don't have milking prolactin titties or suicidal tren rage then you're good to go.
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I've been on for almost 5 months straight, no side effects other than looking good. Don't know about a year though.
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Damn must be nice. I had very unpleasant sides. I bet If I stuck with it though my body would of gotten use to it. I did look fantastic but felt very uncomfortable.
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Damn must be nice. I had very unpleasant sides. I bet If I stuck with it though my body would of gotten use to it. I did look fantastic but felt very uncomfortable.
Only sides I get are a bit of sweating and a strong desire to go on a suicidal murderous rampage and kill innocent women and children. No biggy! ;D
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Only sides I get are a bit of sweating and a strong desire to go on a suicidal murderous rampage and kill innocent women and children. No biggy! ;D
Lol that's not a big deal at all man. Pretty mild actually :D
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Get blood work done and decide after that how long you should run it
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Alpha, I've been running Tren at doses of 100 mg ED - 150 mg's every 36 hours... ive taken 4 weeks off from tren since last September. My health is good and clean and I have no intention of coming off anytime soon.
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fuck tren give me my good old test,deca,primo,dinabol and proviron
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fuck tren give me my good old test,deca,primo,dinabol and proviron
I kind of agree on that if you don't like the sides. I'm going to avoid it for awhile until I move out of my fucken old place and get away from the ex I don't want to be near her when I'm crazy on tren.
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well I get no bad sides from tren and have gone up to 700mg per week. I have been on it for 6 months now, with only a break last week due to a vacation. I haven't gotten blood work since right before I started it 6 months ago. I know I need to again, it's just so dam expensive (not that it's a good excuse not to)
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U guys dont have high bp on tren at all? Its the only drug that sky rockets my bp. Epehdrine as well but i dont fuck with it anymore. Primo test and gh+ var is prob all ill use from now on
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U guys dont have high bp on tren at all? Its the only drug that sky rockets my bp. Epehdrine as well but i dont fuck with it anymore. Primo test and gh+ var is prob all ill use from now on
TREN AT 450MG...NO.
EQ AT 600MG NO, I GUESS. SO FAR ITS THE ONLY DAY I HAVEN'T TAKEN EPHEDRINE IN THE LAST 5 AND IT'S THE ONLY DAY WHERE I HAVEN'T HAD ANY BP PROBLEMS FROM WHAT I CAN TELL. EPHEDRA IS FINE, EPHEDRINE IS A BIG NO NO.
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sure. i don't see an issue with running tren year round, just don't run parabolan/tren hex continually. it's liver/kidney toxic
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sure. i don't see an issue with running tren year round, just don't run parabolan/tren hex continually. it's liver/kidney toxic
even at doses 500-700mg per week?
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Another question: Let's say HDL and whatever else gets out of wack...does it continue to get out of wack more and more over time or does it pretty much stay where it is unless I alter the dose?
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Another question: Let's say HDL and whatever else gets out of wack...does it continue to get out of wack more and more over time or does it pretty much stay where it is unless I alter the dose?
even at doses 500-700mg per week?
genetics. no way to know. i don't think 500mg tren year round is going to be a death sentence for someone in their 20s, very far from it, many people do worse things with recreational drug use year round (like myself ;D)
my hdl is fucked regardless. my dad had high blood pressure and bad cholesterol and i inherited it from him. i can come off gear and it will be bad unless i run cholesterol meds year round, but, fuck that.
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I`ve ran it for 6 months straight one time but only at 100 mgs. EOD..........nothing crazy dosage wise.
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I`ve ran it for 6 months straight one time but only at 100 mgs. EOD..........nothing crazy dosage wise.
300mgs/week?
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it would average 350mg/week... Got a 20ml bottle of this stuff staring me down ed... But I know if I start it, like test... I won't come off it, so I don't know, lol...
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I can't imagine it causing any bog problems just run it till your next blood test and fix whatever problems youbhave then, id get blood drawn pretty quick though
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you should definitely come off tren ace for part of the year, or any tren for that matter (don't misinterpret what i said for "you can then jump on tren e!" that is not what i meant)
i personally do often run tren for about 6 months straight, and i will start with the long esther, and then let it die out of my system (essentially giving my body a small break) and then run the short esther. but never really longer than 6 months. and even at 6 months this is truly pushing it.
just give yourself a break. even pros do a few bridges (big bridges, but bridges nonetheless). i mean even if you run 500 mg test and 600 mg EQ, that is a good dose to give yourself a break on for a couple months. and the body really appreciates these breaks!!!
i don't believe in the "receptor" talk, but i know from personal experience that after giving my body a nice bridge/cruise, i feel SO much fucking healthier! and then i come back even stronger than ever before on my next blast.
so i hope you take my advice. tren is not meant to be run year round. i am a huge proponent on staying on gear year round and never coming off, but please don't stay on tren all year. give yourself some breaks. i am not going to sit here and say that tren is a toxic compound, or whatever. i am not into the science of hormones. i am into personal experience. and from personal experience i can tell you that when you get around the 6 month mark of using a serious dose of tren (over 100 mg daily) your body starts to feel a bit off.
if you don't know what i mean by off, then give it a go. around the 6 month mark you will see what i am saying.
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So sounds like you guys haven't had any real issues with tren sides. Haven't used it yet was just a bit put off with the dreaded tren cough and probably insomnia. Although the positives outweigh the sides from what I know.
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you should definitely come off tren ace for part of the year, or any tren for that matter (don't misinterpret what i said for "you can then jump on tren e!" that is not what i meant)
i personally do often run tren for about 6 months straight, and i will start with the long esther, and then let it die out of my system (essentially giving my body a small break) and then run the short esther. but never really longer than 6 months. and even at 6 months this is truly pushing it.
just give yourself a break. even pros do a few bridges (big bridges, but bridges nonetheless). i mean even if you run 500 mg test and 600 mg EQ, that is a good dose to give yourself a break on for a couple months. and the body really appreciates these breaks!!!
i don't believe in the "receptor" talk, but i know from personal experience that after giving my body a nice bridge/cruise, i feel SO much fucking healthier! and then i come back even stronger than ever before on my next blast.
so i hope you take my advice. tren is not meant to be run year round. i am a huge proponent on staying on gear year round and never coming off, but please don't stay on tren all year. give yourself some breaks. i am not going to sit here and say that tren is a toxic compound, or whatever. i am not into the science of hormones. i am into personal experience. and from personal experience i can tell you that when you get around the 6 month mark of using a serious dose of tren (over 100 mg daily) your body starts to feel a bit off.
if you don't know what i mean by off, then give it a go. around the 6 month mark you will see what i am saying.
Well said.
There's really no reason to stay on Tren year round. I think a lot of guys who stay on indefinitely but use the same compounds at the same doses the entire time really end up short changing themselves. One of the primary keys to continued progress is change...this can occur through food as well but hormones will have the biggest effect. It can also apply to training...a break will let the body refresh, and when you come back your progress will continue at a higher rate.
I've said it probably a thousand times...rotations with Nandrolone and Trenbolone are fantastic...throw in cruise periods with test and repeat. This is hard to beat IMO.
So sounds like you guys haven't had any real issues with tren sides. Haven't used it yet was just a bit put off with the dreaded tren cough and probably insomnia. Although the positives outweigh the sides from what I know.
Tren cough is somewhat of a generic term...it can actually happen with any injectable steroid but you're more susceptible with Tren. I've had it happen even with testosterone.
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Think if you do any steroids without break you should just have regular blood work and a mri scan etc every so often, just keep a check on your plaque levels in your tubes and for organ enlargement etc and any signs of damage to organs. Other than that, as long as it what you want to do and you dont drink often /take drugs then their could be far worse things you could do
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Tren cough is somewhat of a generic term...it can actually happen with any injectable steroid but you're more susceptible with Tren. I've had it happen even with testosterone.
do you happen to know the solvents and carry oil used in that Test?
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300mgs/week?
Yup,along with two other compounds.
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you should definitely come off tren ace for part of the year, or any tren for that matter (don't misinterpret what i said for "you can then jump on tren e!" that is not what i meant)
i personally do often run tren for about 6 months straight, and i will start with the long esther, and then let it die out of my system (essentially giving my body a small break) and then run the short esther. but never really longer than 6 months. and even at 6 months this is truly pushing it.
just give yourself a break. even pros do a few bridges (big bridges, but bridges nonetheless). i mean even if you run 500 mg test and 600 mg EQ, that is a good dose to give yourself a break on for a couple months. and the body really appreciates these breaks!!!
i don't believe in the "receptor" talk, but i know from personal experience that after giving my body a nice bridge/cruise, i feel SO much fucking healthier! and then i come back even stronger than ever before on my next blast.
so i hope you take my advice. tren is not meant to be run year round. i am a huge proponent on staying on gear year round and never coming off, but please don't stay on tren all year. give yourself some breaks. i am not going to sit here and say that tren is a toxic compound, or whatever. i am not into the science of hormones. i am into personal experience. and from personal experience i can tell you that when you get around the 6 month mark of using a serious dose of tren (over 100 mg daily) your body starts to feel a bit off.
if you don't know what i mean by off, then give it a go. around the 6 month mark you will see what i am saying.
I think I will take your advice. It's kind of a bad time to start cruising since its about to be summer but I think I'll take 2 months off or so and see what my body looks like then go from there. I do want to get bloodwork though....speaking of which, since you seem to be a heavy user from what I have seen, what kind of bloodwork/health do you get when running things long term like tren?
Well said.
There's really no reason to stay on Tren year round. I think a lot of guys who stay on indefinitely but use the same compounds at the same doses the entire time really end up short changing themselves. One of the primary keys to continued progress is change...this can occur through food as well but hormones will have the biggest effect. It can also apply to training...a break will let the body refresh, and when you come back your progress will continue at a higher rate.
I've said it probably a thousand times...rotations with Nandrolone and Trenbolone are fantastic...throw in cruise periods with test and repeat. This is hard to beat IMO.
Tren cough is somewhat of a generic term...it can actually happen with any injectable steroid but you're more susceptible with Tren. I've had it happen even with testosterone.
yea I hear you man
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well I get no bad sides from tren and have gone up to 700mg per week. I have been on it for 6 months now, with only a break last week due to a vacation. I haven't gotten blood work since right before I started it 6 months ago. I know I need to again, it's just so dam expensive (not that it's a good excuse not to)
Dude get some blood work soon. Health is worth more than money and.even tho u might feel good, the most dangerous things are always slient. Bp, cholesterol, liver values, etc.
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you should definitely come off tren ace for part of the year, or any tren for that matter (don't misinterpret what i said for "you can then jump on tren e!" that is not what i meant)
i personally do often run tren for about 6 months straight, and i will start with the long esther, and then let it die out of my system (essentially giving my body a small break) and then run the short esther. but never really longer than 6 months. and even at 6 months this is truly pushing it.
just give yourself a break. even pros do a few bridges (big bridges, but bridges nonetheless). i mean even if you run 500 mg test and 600 mg EQ, that is a good dose to give yourself a break on for a couple months. and the body really appreciates these breaks!!!
i don't believe in the "receptor" talk, but i know from personal experience that after giving my body a nice bridge/cruise, i feel SO much fucking healthier! and then i come back even stronger than ever before on my next blast.
so i hope you take my advice. tren is not meant to be run year round. i am a huge proponent on staying on gear year round and never coming off, but please don't stay on tren all year. give yourself some breaks. i am not going to sit here and say that tren is a toxic compound, or whatever. i am not into the science of hormones. i am into personal experience. and from personal experience i can tell you that when you get around the 6 month mark of using a serious dose of tren (over 100 mg daily) your body starts to feel a bit off.
if you don't know what i mean by off, then give it a go. around the 6 month mark you will see what i am saying.
breaks are good but bridging is complete fucking nonsense. come off or stay on.
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Blood work won't show left ventricular hypertrophy, which 19-nors are known for.
I think all steroids cause it, but 19-nors are particularly bad for it and are harder
on arteries.
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This is interesting because most will tell you to run it for approx. 8 wks and I ran it for 10 wks and I got a lot of comments telling me I was pushing the limit going 10 wks. But that is just what I was told and mostly broknowledge. But I do not think it is liver or kidney toxic but High Blood Pressure puts a lot of strain on your Kidneys and it is a secondary side effect from the high blood pressure not directly from the compound itself.
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breaks are good but bridging is complete fucking nonsense. come off or stay on.
Completely fucking incorrect again my man
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Well said.
There's really no reason to stay on Tren year round. I think a lot of guys who stay on indefinitely but use the same compounds at the same doses the entire time really end up short changing themselves. One of the primary keys to continued progress is change...this can occur through food as well but hormones will have the biggest effect. It can also apply to training...a break will let the body refresh, and when you come back your progress will continue at a higher rate.
I've said it probably a thousand times...rotations with Nandrolone and Trenbolone are fantastic...throw in cruise periods with test and repeat. This is hard to beat IMO.
Tren cough is somewhat of a generic term...it can actually happen with any injectable steroid but you're more susceptible with Tren. I've had it happen even with testosterone.
I can not agree more ... Very well put Arnold. Either transitioning from 19 nor to 19 nor (Npp or deca to tren) or combining the two for an extended period of time and then cruising (bridging) for 1-2 months on test does MY body wonders. I don't personally care if someone disagrees with the concept of bridging because I have been around the block. Ran everything. And cruising/bridging does the body WONDERS.
It is not "off or on". Because while off for too long you lose EVERYTHING. But if you bridge with 500-750g
Test and optional gh at low dose you keep it all.
What do you choose? I choose to bridge.
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This is directed at Arnold Jr. and Smoofcat:
What length of the rotations do you like to do of each? Tren is my favourite drug by far, so while i do want to take breaks from it i want the breaks to be short. What do you think of something like this?
Test Prop/Tren Ace for 12 weeks
Test Prop/EQ for 6 weeks
Test Prop/Tren Ace for 12 weeks
Test Prop/NPP for 6 weeks
etc...
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your going to lose size either way, bridging or coming off. might hold on to a little more by bridging, but your body will be much more sensitive to the drugs when you go back on after being off completely.
ronnie and levrone. they took TIME OFF. not bridging.
i figure, if imma be on imma be ON. if imma take a break and let my body recoup, then im really gonna do it.
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This is directed at Arnold Jr. and Smoofcat:
What length of the rotations do you like to do of each? Tren is my favourite drug by far, so while i do want to take breaks from it i want the breaks to be short. What do you think of something like this?
Test Prop/Tren Ace for 12 weeks
Test Prop/EQ for 6 weeks
Test Prop/Tren Ace for 12 weeks
Test Prop/NPP for 6 weeks
etc...
that right there looks real nice to me.
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that right there looks real nice to me.
Yeah im basically gonna be keeping the dosages pretty high(for me) on all the different compounds, so i feel like i should always keep progressing. tren is the best but i find after about 3 months i remain the same look unless i bump up the dosage. id prefer just to switch off from 700 tren to 1200 eq rather than have to bump my tren up to keep gaining off it. im on the test eq portion of that right now
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This is directed at Arnold Jr. and Smoofcat:
What length of the rotations do you like to do of each? Tren is my favourite drug by far, so while i do want to take breaks from it i want the breaks to be short. What do you think of something like this?
Test Prop/Tren Ace for 12 weeks
Test Prop/EQ for 6 weeks
Test Prop/Tren Ace for 12 weeks
Test Prop/NPP for 6 weeks
etc...
My preference...and this is sort of approximate:
WK 1-10 Test & Nandro
WK 9-10 Test, Nandro & Tren
WK 11-18 Test & Tren
EQ could be thrown in there just about anywhere for 8-10 wks.
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anyone ever done this? How high of a dose? Anyone know the risks other than broscience? I don't want to come off
I've been on 600/wk of tren e for about 4 months now, nowhere near a year, but I just today increased the dose to 800/wk and had bloodwork done 4 weeks ago. Everything was in "normal" range, but triglycerides were 180, not out of range, but higher than "ideal." according to my doc. I'm using 500mg niacin, baby aspirin, 4g omega 3, 200mg COQ10, 300mg grape seed extract, 800mg plant phytosterols, and 500mg tumeric. Just started 20min post-wo cardio too, that should all be plenty to keep everything in range.
In short, get blood work done and know his you respond to tren, then decide whether or not you can handle being on it for a year. Side effects of gear are blown out of proportion and often very exaggerated. IMO you can do it, just get blood work every 3 months to monitor everything, and address any issues if they arise. True concerns would be hdl, ldl, triglyceride, and total cholesterol levels, irritability/anxiety/mood issues, and possibly prolactin issues if you're prone. I tolerate tren extremely well, so it's really individual response as well.
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Another question: Let's say HDL and whatever else gets out of wack...does it continue to get out of wack more and more over time or does it pretty much stay where it is unless I alter the dose?
The numbers may level out, but due to continuously higher than normal levels, plaque will continue to build in your arteries at an accelerated rate = major heart issues. You gotta get the blood work done bro and stay consistent with it. I do once every 3 months personally.
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breaks are good but bridging is complete fucking nonsense. come off or stay on.
^^^ignorance at its finest...
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your going to lose size either way, bridging or coming off. might hold on to a little more by bridging, but your body will be much more sensitive to the drugs when you go back on after being off completely.
ronnie and levrone. they took TIME OFF. not bridging.
i figure, if imma be on imma be ON. if imma take a break and let my body recoup, then im really gonna do it.
Bodybuilders lie. Why? Their own personal reasons. But unless you lived with either Ronnie or Kevin, you have no clue what they did or did not do.
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i do 8wks blast then cruise for 2wks on low dose test ,then blast away again and keep repeating, works a treat, i feel i get a better kick this way, anyone else run like this ?,
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Ran tren ace Sept/Oct/Nov last year, been running tren e Dec to present, so 7 months total, about 500mg weekly.
Was going to switch back to ace when my tren e stockpile runs out in a few weeks as the enanth gives me horrible shoulder acne, but the novos I've just started seem to be clearing that up, so might just get some more tren e, cheaper and fewer injects, dose for dose about the same good effect as far as I can tell.
Still get night sweats, and have a slightly shorter fuse, but I console myself with cake and ice cream in unfeasable quantities. Everyone I know who's on a diet fucking hates me. 8)
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This is directed at Arnold Jr. and Smoofcat:
What length of the rotations do you like to do of each? Tren is my favourite drug by far, so while i do want to take breaks from it i want the breaks to be short. What do you think of something like this?
Test Prop/Tren Ace for 12 weeks
Test Prop/EQ for 6 weeks
Test Prop/Tren Ace for 12 weeks
Test Prop/NPP for 6 weeks
etc...
the only thing with running eq in between fast acting compounds is that you don't feel the effects of the eq until about 3-4 weeks in and then by the time its in full effect you're already on the tren ace boat...and even though you aren't taking any more eq its still lingering in the system
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your going to lose size either way, bridging or coming off. might hold on to a little more by bridging, but your body will be much more sensitive to the drugs when you go back on after being off completely.
ronnie and levrone. they took TIME OFF. not bridging.
i figure, if imma be on imma be ON. if imma take a break and let my body recoup, then im really gonna do it.
The problem tbombz is you post these really strong opinions on cycles/drugs etc, but everytime you post a pic it looks like you have no idea what the fuck you are doing.
I think it's time to put up or shut up.
Back on topic, I also like to alternate NPP/Deca with Tren. Going to try NPP/Primo/Sust soon for 12 weeks then cruise for 4-6 weeks until I feel "good" then hop back on tren. It's hard to define feeling good, but once I have been on a low dose of test only I just feel better all around.
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The problem tbombz is you post these really strong opinions on cycles/drugs etc, but everytime you post a pic it looks like you have no idea what the fuck you are doing.
I think it's time to put up or shut up.
Back on topic, I also like to alternate NPP/Deca with Tren. Going to try NPP/Primo/Sust soon for 12 weeks then cruise for 4-6 weeks until I feel "good" then hop back on tren. It's hard to define feeling good, but once I have been on a low dose of test only I just feel better all around.
lol X100, probably the worst guy to take any type of drug advice from.
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This is interesting because most will tell you to run it for approx. 8 wks and I ran it for 10 wks and I got a lot of comments telling me I was pushing the limit going 10 wks. But that is just what I was told and mostly broknowledge. But I do not think it is liver or kidney toxic but High Blood Pressure puts a lot of strain on your Kidneys and it is a secondary side effect from the high blood pressure not directly from the compound itself.
tren has no effect on kidneys. That has been proven...However, I am more concerned about cholesterol than anything
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I've been on 600/wk of tren e for about 4 months now, nowhere near a year, but I just today increased the dose to 800/wk and had bloodwork done 4 weeks ago. Everything was in "normal" range, but triglycerides were 180, not out of range, but higher than "ideal." according to my doc. I'm using 500mg niacin, baby aspirin, 4g omega 3, 200mg COQ10, 300mg grape seed extract, 800mg plant phytosterols, and 500mg tumeric. Just started 20min post-wo cardio too, that should all be plenty to keep everything in range.
In short, get blood work done and know his you respond to tren, then decide whether or not you can handle being on it for a year. Side effects of gear are blown out of proportion and often very exaggerated. IMO you can do it, just get blood work every 3 months to monitor everything, and address any issues if they arise. True concerns would be hdl, ldl, triglyceride, and total cholesterol levels, irritability/anxiety/mood issues, and possibly prolactin issues if you're prone. I tolerate tren extremely well, so it's really individual response as well.
so you think all that stuff really helps? I always kind of thought it was all nonsense and a waste of money because the only true way to get everything back to normal is to come off whatever is causing it.
Also, yea cholesterol and stuff is really my main concern. Specifically HDL and triglycerides
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your going to lose size either way, bridging or coming off. might hold on to a little more by bridging, but your body will be much more sensitive to the drugs when you go back on after being off completely.
ronnie and levrone. they took TIME OFF. not bridging.
i figure, if imma be on imma be ON. if imma take a break and let my body recoup, then im really gonna do it.
no. stop it. ronnie never fucking took time off.
you have a 3 week window given you have some long esther AAS in your system. THREE WEEK WINDOW. this is how long you can take off. and then every day you wait you start to gradually go back to your natural state, unless truly good GH is in the picture, and then still you are not just going to stay where you are at.
you are speaking about things you do not have experience about t bombs. i personally have come off LONG 4 gram cycles and then ran a 500 mg sustanon cruise for 6 weeks and not lost one bit of size, and my BF did not raise either. i lost some of the freakiness, like veins the size of my fingers coming out of my shoulders, but did I lose any size, or any body fat, or any true strength?
not at all.
i lost some aggressiveness in the gym, but i could still throw the same weight around. you are severely underestimating how much muscle the human body can maintain on 500-750 mg of testosterone for a period such as 6 weeks. and you are also not understanding what a fucking beautiful and nourishing thing that bridging/cruising does for your body.
your nuts grow back (i NEVER run hcg). you start to feel a bit human again (as opposed to feeling like superman. you know the feeling when you have 4 grams of AAS running through your veins and you suddenly out of nowhere want to put 5 plates on each side of the bar and flat bench. i'm talking about getting that feeling sitting at your desk in class for you grad students, sitting at your desk at work for others, driving in your fucking car AFTER a long session at the gym. you fucking know what I mean). you begin to feel HUMAN again, and there is something nourishing about it MENTALLY and PHYSICALLY.
and the most important part is that you don't lose any muscle and if you know what you are doing with your diet and training, you will not gain any body fat, or lose any size.
listen to me closely now. there are 2 aspects of bridging that are very important, and they all come down to will power:
1. do not train more than 3 times per week. dorian yates gave me a fucking SPEECH last year about not training more than 3 times per week when you are bridging. this is a time to give your body a break. NEVER train more than 3 times per week on your bridge, and honestly you can get away with 2.
2. keep your diet on point. do not eat like you were eating on 4 grams of AAS.
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tren has no effect on kidneys. That has been proven...However, I am more concerned about cholesterol than anything
If your cholesterol levels are currently healthy and you're not predisposed to cholesterol issues you should be fine if your diet is cholesterol friendly and you don't go overboard with the dosing. Of course, there's a cutoff point, but this can vary from one guy to the next.
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so you think all that stuff really helps? I always kind of thought it was all nonsense and a waste of money because the only true way to get everything back to normal is to come off whatever is causing it.
Also, yea cholesterol and stuff is really my main concern. Specifically HDL and triglycerides
it honestly does, because in the past, my BP(158/96) and cholesterol were TRASHED with a simple 800/wk of prop and 50mg/day dbol. Right now i'm on 1g/wk test, 800/wk tren e, 900/wk EQ, and 75mg/day dbol and viola BP was 117/79 yesterday lol. yes, it sounds like a lot of gear, but i'm in my last 6-8 weeks of my off-season, one last hope at a little more growth before prep starts. with prep, i plan to grow into the show as well. i'm doing everything i can to win the show this time around, but still in a semi-responsible manner.
i placed 4th in the open last time, just shy of going to nationals. i can't afford gh right now, hopefully that changes before the prep starts. so for now, it's full fucking speed ahead!! :D i forgot to mention, i added masteron at 400/wk as well. the test and tren were increased as of yesterday, and the mast was just added yesterday as well. pinning EOD btw. i'm basically doing the absolute most that i can, with what i have on hand right now. i'm anxious to see the results. i don't recommend anyone do this, and after my show i'm taking a nice break and just cruising on test only for a while. the exact time will depend on bloodwork.
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no. stop it. ronnie never fucking took time off.
you have a 3 week window given you have some long esther AAS in your system. THREE WEEK WINDOW. this is how long you can take off. and then every day you wait you start to gradually go back to your natural state, unless truly good GH is in the picture, and then still you are not just going to stay where you are at.
you are speaking about things you do not have experience about t bombs. i personally have come off LONG 4 gram cycles and then ran a 500 mg sustanon cruise for 6 weeks and not lost one bit of size, and my BF did not raise either. i lost some of the freakiness, like veins the size of my fingers coming out of my shoulders, but did I lose any size, or any body fat, or any true strength?
not at all.
i lost some aggressiveness in the gym, but i could still throw the same weight around. you are severely underestimating how much muscle the human body can maintain on 500-750 mg of testosterone for a period such as 6 weeks. and you are also not understanding what a fucking beautiful and nourishing thing that bridging/cruising does for your body.
your nuts grow back (i NEVER run hcg). you start to feel a bit human again (as opposed to feeling like superman. you know the feeling when you have 4 grams of AAS running through your veins and you suddenly out of nowhere want to put 5 plates on each side of the bar and flat bench. i'm talking about getting that feeling sitting at your desk in class for you grad students, sitting at your desk at work for others, driving in your fucking car AFTER a long session at the gym. you fucking know what I mean). you begin to feel HUMAN again, and there is something nourishing about it MENTALLY and PHYSICALLY.
and the most important part is that you don't lose any muscle and if you know what you are doing with your diet and training, you will not gain any body fat, or lose any size.
listen to me closely now. there are 2 aspects of bridging that are very important, and they all come down to will power:
1. do not train more than 3 times per week. dorian yates gave me a fucking SPEECH last year about not training more than 3 times per week when you are bridging. this is a time to give your body a break. NEVER train more than 3 times per week on your bridge, and honestly you can get away with 2.
2. keep your diet on point. do not eat like you were eating on 4 grams of AAS.
i only use short esters and i take several weeks off every couple months. i dont just dissapear. i lose about some water weight and width to my delts, thats about it.
yes ronnie did take a couple months off from gear every year after the mr. olympia starting in 1998. levrone would take a good 6 months off every year as well. muscle memory is a beautiful thing, and a body that has lost its tolerance to drugs is as well.
bridging is cool i guess but your not actually coming off the drugs, your body is never going back to normal. and your not going to "resensitize" to the degree you would if you actually came off completely.
in the end.. if its working for you its working for you.. doesnt mean its optimal though, nor does it mean its gonna work that way for everybody else. most bodybuilders i know do actually take time OFF. not just bridge. im talking about 5'8'' 245bs 7% bodyfat guys here, and an ifbb pro.
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why would you trust them when they say they take time totally off lol
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tren has no effect on kidneys. That has been proven...However, I am more concerned about cholesterol than anything
tren-hex (parabolan) does
high blood pressure also does
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So sounds like you guys haven't had any real issues with tren sides. Haven't used it yet was just a bit put off with the dreaded tren cough and probably insomnia. Although the positives outweigh the sides from what I know.
where in aus mike ?
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1) Yes, on the high BP (for some) use Lisinopril
2) Yes, on insomnia. Nothing seems to work for long, you just simply wake up feeling leaner, stronger and ready to go do something. Not tired until maybe after the 4th day.
That is kind of a serious "side" if you like/need your sleep.
It can also be tough to eat on. Reminds me of AD - kind of takes appetite away- I suppose this is a plus when looking to lean out and get harder....
Sex drive : up and down depends on who your with. If you can't stand her, Tren isn't gonna make you wanna sniff her butt like Test will.
Tren may even make you indifferent on the matter.
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tren has no effect on kidneys. That has been proven...However, I am more concerned about cholesterol than anything
So you are saying that High Blood Pressure dose not have a negative effect on kidneys?? Tren is know to increase BP in most of the people that use it.
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couple questions for the vets....
what is your advise for a guy whose cholesterol is pretty bad (LDL, HDL is fine), like over 200ldl, but blood presssure is always perfect? i guess my BP is always good because i do ton of cardio and im very lean, not bloofy, but cholesterol not so good.
and for brdige,,,,you say 500mg test,,,how about 300mg test and 100mg var ED? how is this in terms of retaining gains, and how is in terms of damaging health? not sure if the var is harder on the body than the test, always heard var was safe but not sure what dose and no personal experience with it.
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500mg of test for a bridge? Jezus! these "off cycles" keep getting bigger and bigger.
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just found this post from gh15
"FOR HOW LONG CAN TREN ACE BE USED :
100-300mg a day or every 2 day can be run 6 months straight ,, you dont have to go off but for your mental state i suggest sioem time off friend,,
100-300mg every day or 2 will make your physiqe move heads anywhere you go ,, with shirt and with out shirt,, you will be stopped and be complimented and asked what you do ....you will say you take steroids...they will say is dianabola good ,, you will say trenbolona ace....they will say soo is that dianabola good i heard its good,, you will say lLOOK MORON IT IS TRENBOLONA ACE..and they will then wait a second and while you go drink water in the fountain ask ...so if i can take double the dose dianabolona you think it wil do me well?
thast just what you deal with ,, bunch of morons that want to be bodybuildrs,,got to learn to live with it friend
gh15 approved "
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just found this post from gh15
"FOR HOW LONG CAN TREN ACE BE USED :
100-300mg a day or every 2 day can be run 6 months straight ,, you dont have to go off but for your mental state i suggest sioem time off friend,,
100-300mg every day or 2 will make your physiqe move heads anywhere you go ,, with shirt and with out shirt,, you will be stopped and be complimented and asked what you do ....you will say you take steroids...they will say is dianabola good ,, you will say trenbolona ace....they will say soo is that dianabola good i heard its good,, you will say lLOOK MORON IT IS TRENBOLONA ACE..and they will then wait a second and while you go drink water in the fountain ask ...so if i can take double the dose dianabolona you think it wil do me well?
thast just what you deal with ,, bunch of morons that want to be bodybuildrs,,got to learn to live with it friend
gh15 approved "
sweet, ill probly do 5 months on, 1 month off and repeat. god has spoken, he hasnt steered me wrong yet.
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just found this post from gh15
"FOR HOW LONG CAN TREN ACE BE USED :
100-300mg a day or every 2 day can be run 6 months straight ,, you dont have to go off but for your mental state i suggest sioem time off friend,,
100-300mg every day or 2 will make your physiqe move heads anywhere you go ,, with shirt and with out shirt,, you will be stopped and be complimented and asked what you do ....you will say you take steroids...they will say is dianabola good ,, you will say trenbolona ace....they will say soo is that dianabola good i heard its good,, you will say lLOOK MORON IT IS TRENBOLONA ACE..and they will then wait a second and while you go drink water in the fountain ask ...so if i can take double the dose dianabolona you think it wil do me well?
thast just what you deal with ,, bunch of morons that want to be bodybuildrs,,got to learn to live with it friend
gh15 approved "
that post almost makes me regret trading in my 20ml vial of tren for 3 test prop's yesterday. I still chose hair, lol...
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couple questions for the vets....
what is your advise for a guy whose cholesterol is pretty bad (LDL, HDL is fine), like over 200ldl, but blood presssure is always perfect? i guess my BP is always good because i do ton of cardio and im very lean, not bloofy, but cholesterol not so good.
and for brdige,,,,you say 500mg test,,,how about 300mg test and 100mg var ED? how is this in terms of retaining gains, and how is in terms of damaging health? not sure if the var is harder on the body than the test, always heard var was safe but not sure what dose and no personal experience with it.
Var is probably worst on your lipids than tren. Usually test, deca, eq, primo, tbol are used for bridging.
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couple questions for the vets....
what is your advise for a guy whose cholesterol is pretty bad (LDL, HDL is fine), like over 200ldl, but blood presssure is always perfect? i guess my BP is always good because i do ton of cardio and im very lean, not bloofy, but cholesterol not so good.
and for brdige,,,,you say 500mg test,,,how about 300mg test and 100mg var ED? how is this in terms of retaining gains, and how is in terms of damaging health? not sure if the var is harder on the body than the test, always heard var was safe but not sure what dose and no personal experience with it.
If your total cholesterol is elevated, but your hdl and ldl are within range, then I would honestly not worry about it. It isn't the total cholesterol number that should be focused on mainly, it is the hdl/ldl ratio that matters most. As for the bridge, 500mg test is too high IMO. 250-300 would be better, with maybe primo or eq added.