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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #775 on: August 09, 2010, 06:24:24 PM »
Bunch of completely stupid closet faggies posting on this thread.  Instead of worrying about gay marriage becoming legal and the norm (newsflash : IT IS), you can put better effort into working it into your favor.

Yeah... no longer do the members of the GOP have to hide in public toilets, they can legalize their "immoral choices" with marriage.

Hell, if you hate the government so much you should be voting FOR gay marriage.  It is bringing us one step closer to abolishing the stupid 55% estate taxes that are currently in place.  Don't want to pay the 55% taxes of what you worked hard all your life for?  Then just marry your heir.  Case closed.  Gov't doesn't get shit then.

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #776 on: August 10, 2010, 06:21:51 AM »
you, sir, are a genius; thanks for joining in here. it just keeps getting better and better. :D ;D
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« Reply #777 on: August 12, 2010, 02:08:17 PM »
Judge Allows, but Delays, Gay Marriage in California
By JESSE McKINLEY

SAN FRANCISCO – Same sex marriage is legal again in California. Sort of.

Just a week after ruling that Proposition 8 – a 2008 voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage – was unconstitutional, a federal judge lifted his stay of his decision on Thursday, opening the door for untold numbers of gay couples to marry in the nation’s most populous state. But he delayed implementation of the order to lift the stay until Aug. 18.

Vaughn R. Walker, the chief judge of the Federal District Court in San Francisco, who invalidated Proposition 8 in last week’s decision, had issued a temporary stay to allow for arguments for and against resumption of same-sex ceremoniesas supporters of the ban pursued an appeal of his decision.

On Thursday, however, Judge Walker declined to extend that stay, ruling, “The evidence presented at trial and the position of the representatives of the State of California show that an injunction against enforcement of Proposition 8 is in the public’s interest. Accordingly, the court concludes that the public interest counsels against entry of the stay proponents seek.”

His decision set off joyous scenes at San Francisco City Hall, where several dozen gay couples had lined up outside the county clerk’s office awaiting word from Mr. Vaughn and where a large crowd of supporters had slowly built during the morning.

Jim Campbell, a lawyer for the Alliance Defense Fund, which had helped defend Proposition 8, said that he was confident that the "the right of Americans to protect marriage in their state constitutions will ultimately be upheld."

"It makes no sense to impose a radical change in marriage on the people of California before all appeals on their behalf are heard," Mr. Campbell said, in a statement. "If the trial court’s decision is eventually reversed, refusing to stay the decision will senselessly create legal uncertainty surrounding any same-sex unions entered while the appeal is pending.”

Both Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Jerry Brown had asked the court to lift the stay. “Doing so is consistent with California’s long history of treating all people and their relationships with equal dignity and respect,” Mr. Schwarzenegger’s lawyers wrote in a brief filed Friday.

When the decision was announced on Thursday, there was euphoria and tears from many of those assembled at San Francisco’s city hall, even as ministers began arriving to perform ceremonies and rainbow flags – long a symbol of gay rights – were being waved. Those ceremonies would be on hold, however, as Judge Walker said he would allow the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit – where the case has been appealed -- time to consider the matter.

Still, the mood was ebullient among gay and lesbian couples in San Francisco.

“This is history, we made it,” said Dominique Handy, 28, who was waiting in front of the county clerk’s office with her girlfriend, Sheila West, 42, who had decided just this morning that they would get married. “I’m in tears.”

Thom Watson, 48 and Jeff Tabako, 33, of Daly City, were also planning on getting married. “We’ll eat and then we’ll find his mother and celebrate,” said Mr. Watson.

Thursday’s ruling effectively makes California the sixth state to allow same-sex marriage, joining Iowa, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Vermont, Connecticut and the District of Columbia. It also marks just the latest chapter in a lengthy battle over same-sex marriage in California, which briefly allowed such ceremonies in 2008 after a decision by the state’s Supreme Court which struck down two laws which had limited marriage to opposite-sex partners. Over the next five months, some 18,000 gay couples were wed.

In November 2008, however, California voters passed Proposition 8 by 52 percent, which amended the state constitution to establish marriage as only between a man and a woman. The ballot measure was challenged in state court, but in May 2009, it was upheld, though the state Supreme Court allowed the 18,000 same-sex marriages to stand.

Shortly after that, two gay couples filed a federal challenge – the case settled by Judge Walker, who agreed with their argument that Proposition 8 violated their constitutional rights to equal protection and due process. “Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license,” Judge Walker wrote.

On Thursday, however, such marriages were not only valid, they were in process. Roger Hunt, 52, and Rod Wood, 56, were the first couple in line at the clerk’s office at San Francisco City Hall.

A couple for the last seven and a half years, the two men said the time had come to tie the knot, buying a pair of inexpensive stainless steel wedding rings until they can get something fancier.

"I’ve wanted to get married for a while now," said Mr. Wood, who works for a publishing company. "There was a window and we missed it. I did not want that to happen again.”

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #778 on: August 16, 2010, 08:13:50 PM »
Court temporarily blocks California same-sex couples from marrying
By Bill Mears, CNN Supreme Court Producer
August 16, 2010

(CNN) -- A federal appeals court in San Francisco, California, has blocked same-sex marriages in that state from resuming immediately, until the three-judge panel hears broader questions over the constitutionality of such marriages.

The brief order from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals late Monday set aside a federal judge's decision earlier this month that would have permitted same-sex marriages to resume in California as early as Wednesday. That came after the judge ruled a voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage violated federal civil rights laws.

The appeals court also set a fast schedule to hear the merits of the constitutional challenge to Proposition 8, the 2008 initiative defining marriage as only between one man and one woman. Oral arguments will now be held the week of December 6, meaning a decision on whether same-sex couples can legally wed likely will not be decided until sometime next year.

Opponents of Proposition 8 seeking to overturn the voter-approved ban on same-sex marriages will not appeal Monday's ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court, according to spokesman Yousef Robb with the American Foundation for Equal Rights. Opponents could ask the Supreme Court to intervene on the narrow question of whether to allow the stay to be lifted, but both sides of the debate agree the odds of the justices getting involved at this stage are very slim.

The case has had an up-and-down series of rulings and referendums. The state's high court had allowed same-sex marriage, but then the voter referendum two years ago passed with 52 percent of the vote. The California Supreme Court subsequently allowed that initiative to stand, saying it represented the will of the people.

Opponents of the law next filed a federal challenge, saying the law violated 14th Amendment constitutional protections of due process and equal protection.

Judge Vaughn Walker on August 4 agreed, issuing a 136-page opinion that concluded, "Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license." The Reagan-appointed judge added, "Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite-sex couples are superior to same-sex couples."

Same sex marriage is currently legal in five states and in the District of Columbia, while civil unions are permitted in New Jersey. The five states are Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, Iowa, and New Hampshire.

Walker's landmark ruling assured a swift federal appeal that ultimately may reach the Supreme Court. One sticking point could be whether Proposition 8 supporters in court -- all private citizens and groups -- have legal "standing" to continue appealing the case. State officials, including the governor and attorney general, support individual same-sex couples challenging the law. Such state "actors" traditionally defend voter referendums and legislation.

Some legal experts say if the appeals court eventually rules Proposition 8 backers cannot bring their petition for relief , the Supreme Court may not seek to intervene further, giving no clear guidance on the larger question of the constitutionality of same-sex marriage nationwide. The high court, in a 1997 unrelated appeal, had expressed "grave doubts" about the ability of such private groups to challenge rulings that strike down ballot initiatives.

Walker's ruling had given the losing side a chance to appeal, and he held off allowing same-sex marriages from resuming until an emergency injunction request could be decided by the higher court.

Among the federal appeals judges who agreed Monday to block same-sex marriages from resuming immediately was Sidney Thomas, a Montana native who was interviewed this spring by President Obama for the Supreme Court vacancy that eventually went to Elena Kagan.

The case is Perry v. Schwarzenegger (10-16696).

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/16/same.sex.marriage/index.html?hpt=T2

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #779 on: August 17, 2010, 07:09:33 AM »
The petitioners of Prop. 8 should be able to make their case. The voters should not suffer, simply because Arnold wants to be a "girly man" and not do his job, representing the people. Same goes for the AG Jerry Brown.

He and the CA Supreme Court scrubbed Prop. 8, before it ever went to the voters. They said it was kosher, according to the state and federal constitutions. If there were no constitutional issues with Prop. 8 in May 2008, there should be no such issues in August 2010.

The CA court ruled in 2004 ("Lockeyer v. San Francisco") that defining marriage as a one-man-one-woman union DOES NOT VIOLATE the federal constitution and that they were bound by the US Supreme Court's ruling of such from the "Baker v. Nelson" case.

As I've said elsewhere, don't be surprised if the 9th Circuit Court actually overturns Walker, just as the 8th Circuit Court overturned Judge Bataillion and reinstated Nebraska's marriage amendment.


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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #780 on: August 17, 2010, 08:15:17 AM »
representing the people. .



As I've said elsewhere, don't be surprised if the 9th Circuit Court actually overturns Walker, just as the 8th Circuit Court overturned Judge Bataillion and reinstated Nebraska's marriage amendment.



Constitution circumvents the popular vote. The Constitution is the iron clad document that cant be negotiated. So the popular vote has no say.

If there was a district wide proposal to kick blacks out of the district, and it was held in Orange county...Im sure the measure be voted on and the majority for the bill. But because the popular vote is to ban blacks...it would be unconstitutional...there fore overturned..

Get it?

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #781 on: August 17, 2010, 08:39:01 AM »
Constitution circumvents the popular vote. The Constitution is the iron clad document that cant be negotiated. So the popular vote has no say.

If there was a district wide proposal to kick blacks out of the district, and it was held in Orange county...Im sure the measure be voted on and the majority for the bill. But because the popular vote is to ban blacks...it would be unconstitutional...there fore overturned..

Get it?

So I take it you agree with the Electoral College for voting for President? 

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« Reply #782 on: August 17, 2010, 08:40:07 AM »
So I take it you agree with the Electoral College for voting for President? 
Yes...because it is in the Constitution.

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« Reply #783 on: August 17, 2010, 08:43:37 AM »
Constitution circumvents the popular vote. The Constitution is the iron clad document that cant be negotiated. So the popular vote has no say.

If there was a district wide proposal to kick blacks out of the district, and it was held in Orange county...Im sure the measure be voted on and the majority for the bill. But because the popular vote is to ban blacks...it would be unconstitutional...there fore overturned..

Get it?

Apparently, YOU don't get it, which is why you deliberately CUT OUT the crucial part of my post, namely, "He and the CA Supreme Court scrubbed Prop. 8, before it ever went to the voters. They said it was kosher, according to the state and federal constitutions. If there were no constitutional issues with Prop. 8 in May 2008, there should be no such issues in August 2010.

The CA court ruled in 2004 ("Lockeyer v. San Francisco") that defining marriage as a one-man-one-woman union DOES NOT VIOLATE the federal constitution and that they were bound by the US Supreme Court's ruling of such from the "Baker v. Nelson" case.


In other words, since there was NO CONSTITUTIONAL BREACH FOUND, the will of the people DOES matter. This dopey judge just made a ruling that clashes with Supreme Court precedence and rulings from other courts, in favor of defining marriage as a one-man-one-woman union.

That's why I said not to be surprised, if the 9th Circuit Court overturns Walker, just as the 8th Circuit Court overturned Bataillon.



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« Reply #784 on: August 17, 2010, 08:59:29 AM »
Apparently, YOU don't get it, which is why you deliberately CUT OUT the crucial part of my post, namely, "He and the CA Supreme Court scrubbed Prop. 8, before it ever went to the voters. They said it was kosher, according to the state and federal constitutions. If there were no constitutional issues with Prop. 8 in May 2008, there should be no such issues in August 2010.

The CA court ruled in 2004 ("Lockeyer v. San Francisco") that defining marriage as a one-man-one-woman union DOES NOT VIOLATE the federal constitution and that they were bound by the US Supreme Court's ruling of such from the "Baker v. Nelson" case.


In other words, since there was NO CONSTITUTIONAL BREACH FOUND, the will of the people DOES matter. This dopey judge just made a ruling that clashes with Supreme Court precedence and rulings from other courts, in favor of defining marriage as a one-man-one-woman union.

That's why I said not to be surprised, if the 9th Circuit Court overturns Walker, just as the 8th Circuit Court overturned Bataillon.




Oh my God...i swear im arguing with a 6 year old...the bill went to the U.S. District court right...Which are the proper channels. And the Supreme court justice who is FEDERAL DISTRICT JUDGE which in other words means "guy who is constitutional excpert" So when it was said and done...it went through the channels and a decision was made.

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« Reply #785 on: August 17, 2010, 09:24:23 AM »
Oh my God...i swear im arguing with a 6 year old...the bill went to the U.S. District court right...Which are the proper channels. And the Supreme court justice who is FEDERAL DISTRICT JUDGE which in other words means "guy who is constitutional excpert" So when it was said and done...it went through the channels and a decision was made.

If you're arguing with a six-year-old, may I suggest pulling yourself from the mirror. Again, a federal district judge overturned Nebraska's marriage amendment which "in other words means 'guy who is constituitonal expert' " But, he got overturned by the 8th Circuit Court.

In other words, you can have a federal judge rule against a marriage amendment, only to have his ruling trumped. Since the 9th is looking at this, the matter ain't all "said and done", as anticipated from the start.

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« Reply #786 on: August 17, 2010, 09:41:44 AM »
If you're arguing with a six-year-old, may I suggest pulling yourself from the mirror. Again, a federal district judge overturned Nebraska's marriage amendment which "in other words means 'guy who is constituitonal expert' " But, he got overturned by the 8th Circuit Court.

In other words, you can have a federal judge rule against a marriage amendment, only to have his ruling trumped. Since the 9th is looking at this, the matter ain't all "said and done", as anticipated from the start.

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I apoligize for calling you a 6 year old. Totally uncalled for on my part and its not the way to argue.

I do think the bill went through the system and was argued by the appeals well enough to have a second look at its constitutional validity and was deemed unconstitutional. Now if it it appealed and argued succesfully then it will be another story

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« Reply #787 on: August 17, 2010, 11:22:01 AM »
I apoligize for calling you a 6 year old. Totally uncalled for on my part and its not the way to argue.

I do think the bill went through the system and was argued by the appeals well enough to have a second look at its constitutional validity and was deemed unconstitutional. Now if it it appealed and argued succesfully then it will be another story

I agree that it went through the system. The problem is you have an attorney general in California who initially said (before the voters cast their ballots) that Prop. 8 was NOT federally unconstitutional. Now, he's claming that it is.

As stated earlier, I think he did what he did, fully expecting the people to vote Prop. 8 down.

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #788 on: August 25, 2010, 02:50:21 PM »
A Forgotten Fight for Suffrage
By CHRISTINE STANSELL

LOOKING back on the adoption of the 19th Amendment 90 years ago Thursday — the largest act of enfranchisement in our history — it can be hard to see what the fuss was about. We’re inclined to assume that the passage of women’s suffrage (even the term is old-fashioned) was inevitable, a change whose time had come. After all, voting is now business as usual for women. And although women are still poorly represented in Congress, there are influential female senators and representatives, and prominent women occupy governors’ and mayors’ offices and legislative seats in every part of the United States.

Yet entrenched opposition nationwide sidelined the suffrage movement for decades in the 19th century. By 1920, antagonism remained in the South, and was strong enough to come close to blocking ratification.

Proposals for giving women the vote had been around since the first convention for women’s rights in Seneca Falls, N.Y., in 1848. At the end of the Civil War, eager abolitionists urged Congress to enfranchise both the former slaves and women, black and white. The 14th Amendment opened the possibility, with its generous language about citizenship, equal protection and due process.

But, at that time, women’s suffrage was still unthinkable to anyone but radical abolitionists. Since the nation’s founding, Americans considered women to be, by nature, creatures of the home, under the care and authority of men. They had no need for the vote; their husbands represented them to the state and voted for them. So, in the 14th Amendment’s second section, Republicans inserted the word “male,” prohibiting the denial of voting rights to “any of the male inhabitants” of the states.

In the ensuing decades, the nation backpedaled from the equal-rights guarantees of the 14th and 15th amendments. Black voters in the South were refused federal protection, and even in the North and West, literacy tests and educational requirements were used to turn immigrants and laborers away from the polls. The suffrage movement itself embraced anti-immigrant and anti-black views. In 1903 in New Orleans, at their annual convention, suffragists listened to speakers inveigh against the Negro menace. Black suffragists met far across town. (An elderly Susan B. Anthony paid them a respectful call.) It was the nadir of the women’s movement.

Later in the first decade of the new century, though, an influx of bold young women, allergic to the old pieties about female purity and comfortable working with men, displaced their moralistic, teetotaling elders. Black women, working women and immigrants joined white reformers in a stunningly successful coalition. From 1909 to 1912, they won suffrage in Oregon, California and Washington. More states followed, so that by the 1916 presidential election, 4 million new votes were in play.

“Antis” still managed to defeat suffrage measures in four Northern states that year. “Woman suffrage wants the wife to be as much the ruler as the husband, if not the chief ruler,” warned one antagonist. But such views were waning — everywhere but the South.

President Woodrow Wilson, who had been a genteel but firm anti-suffragist, was indebted to female voters for helping him win a close election, and in 1918 he endorsed a constitutional amendment. That year the 19th Amendment passed the House. It stalled in the Senate — blocked by conservative Southerners — but Wilson muscled it through in 1919.

Thirty-six of the 48 states then needed to ratify it. Western states did so promptly, and in the North only Vermont and Connecticut delayed. But the segregated South saw in the 19th Amendment a grave threat: the removal of the most comprehensive principle for depriving an entire class of Americans of full citizenship rights. The logic of women’s disenfranchisement helped legitimize relegating blacks to second-class citizenship.

Female voters would also pose practical difficulties, described bluntly by a Mississippi man: “We are not afraid to maul a black man over the head if he dares to vote, but we can’t treat women, even black women, that way. No, we’ll allow no woman suffrage.”

Nine Southern states joined by Delaware forced ratification to a halt, one state short. Only Tennessee was left, and the opposition had good reason to think it would line up with the rest of the region. But after a nine-day special session in the heat of August 1920, a legislator pledged to the nays jumped ship — he later said it was because his mother told him to — and the 36th state was in.

Even then, in several Southern states, die-hards went to court to invalidate the amendment, stopping only after the Supreme Court in 1922 unanimously dismissed their arguments.

In 1923 Delaware ratified belatedly to join the rest of the country, but the Southern states waited decades: Maryland in 1941, Virginia in 1952, Alabama in 1953. Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina and South Carolina came along from 1969 to 1971, years after the Voting Rights Act of 1965 had passed. Mississippi brought up the rear, not condoning the right of women to vote until 1984.

Today the country is again divided over how far the rights of citizenship extend. In the controversy over same-sex marriage, the prospect of constitutional protection calls up truculence from one part of the country, approval from another. How remarkable, then, that a parallel conflict — one that similarly exposes the fears and anxieties that the expansion of democracy unleashes — is now largely lost to memory.

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #789 on: August 25, 2010, 11:05:15 PM »
LMAO still yelling about equal rights while refusing to acknowledge other rights that you have that others dont?

typical  ::)

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #790 on: August 31, 2010, 05:28:22 AM »
LMAO still yelling about equal rights while refusing to acknowledge other rights that you have that others dont?

typical  ::)
and what are some of those rights that others dont?
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« Reply #791 on: October 10, 2010, 12:28:07 PM »
Gay Marriage Is Ruled Legal in Connecticut
By ROBERT D. McFADDEN

A sharply divided Connecticut Supreme Court struck down the state’s civil union law on Friday and ruled that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry. Connecticut thus joins Massachusetts and California as the only states to have legalized gay marriages.

The ruling, which cannot be appealed and is to take effect on Oct. 28, held that a state law limiting marriage to heterosexual couples, and a civil union law intended to provide all the rights and privileges of marriage to same-sex couples, violated the constitutional guarantees of equal protection under the law.

Striking at the heart of discriminatory traditions in America, the court — in language that often rose above the legal landscape into realms of social justice for a new century — recalled that laws in the not-so-distant past barred interracial marriages, excluded women from occupations and official duties, and relegated blacks to separate but supposedly equal public facilities.

“Like these once prevalent views, our conventional understanding of marriage must yield to a more contemporary appreciation of the rights entitled to constitutional protection,” Justice Richard N. Palmer wrote for the majority in a 4-to-3 decision that explored the nature of homosexual identity, the history of societal views toward homosexuality and the limits of gay political power compared with that of blacks and women.

“Interpreting our state constitutional provisions in accordance with firmly established equal protection principles leads inevitably to the conclusion that gay persons are entitled to marry the otherwise qualified same-sex partner of their choice,” Justice Palmer declared. “To decide otherwise would require us to apply one set of constitutional principles to gay persons and another to all others.”

The ruling was groundbreaking in various respects. In addition to establishing Connecticut as the third state to sanction same-sex marriage, it was the first state high court ruling to hold that civil union statutes specifically violated the equal protection clause of a state constitution. The Massachusetts high court held in 2004 that same-sex marriages were legal, while California’s court decision in May related to domestic partnerships and not the more broadly defined civil unions.

The Connecticut decision, which elicited strong dissenting opinions from three justices, also opened the door to marriage a bit wider for gay couples in New York, where state laws do not provide for same-sex marriages or civil unions, although Gov. David A. Paterson recently issued an executive order requiring government agencies to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states.

The opinion in Connecticut was hailed by jubilant gay couples and their advocates as a fulfillment of years of hopes and dreams. Hugs, kisses and cheers greeted eight same-sex couples as they entered the ballroom at the Hartford Hilton, where four years ago they had announced they would file a lawsuit seeking marriage licenses.

One of those couples, Joanne Mock, 53, and her partner, Elizabeth Kerrigan, 52, stood with their twin 6-year-old sons, choking back tears of joy and gratitude. Another plaintiff, Garret Stack, 59, introduced his partner, John Anderson, 63, and said: “For 28 years we have been engaged. We can now register at Home Depot and prepare for marriage.”

Religious and conservative groups called the ruling an outrage but not unexpected, and spoke of steps to enact a constitutional ban on gay marriage. Peter Wolfgang, executive director of the Family Institute of Connecticut, blamed “robed masters” and “philosopher kings” on the court. “This is about our right to govern ourselves,” he said. “It is bigger than gay marriage.”

But the state, a principal defendant in the lawsuit, appeared to be resigned to the outcome.

Gov. M. Jodi Rell said that she disagreed with the decision, but would uphold it. “The Supreme Court has spoken,” she said. “I do not believe their voice reflects the majority of the people of Connecticut. However, I am also firmly convinced that attempts to reverse this decision, either legislatively or by amending the state Constitution, will not meet with success.”

Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said his office was reviewing the decision to determine whether laws and procedures will have to be revised — local officials will issue marriage licenses to gay couples without question, for example — but he offered no challenge and said it would soon be implemented.

The case was watched far beyond Hartford. Vermont, New Hampshire and New Jersey all have civil union statutes, while Maine, Washington, Oregon and Hawaii have domestic partnership laws that allow same-sex couples many of the same rights granted to those in civil unions. Advocates for same-sex couples have long argued that civil unions and domestic partnerships denied them the financial, social and emotional benefits accorded in a marriage.

The legal underpinnings for gay marriages, civil unions and statutory partnerships have all come in legislative actions and decisions in lawsuits. Next month, however, voters in California will decide whether the state Constitution should permit same-sex marriage.

The Connecticut case began in 2004 after the eight same-sex couples were denied marriage licenses by the town of Madison. Reflecting the contentiousness and wide interest in the case, a long list of state, national and international organizations on both sides filed friend-of-the-court briefs. The plaintiffs contended that the denial of marriage licenses deprived them of due process and equal protection under the law.

While the case was pending, the legislature in 2005 adopted a law establishing the right of same-sex partners to enter into civil unions that conferred all the rights and privileges of marriage. But, at the insistence of the governor, the law also defined marriage as the union of one man and one woman.

Arguments in the case centered on whether civil unions and marriages conferred equal rights, and on whether same-sex couples should be treated as what the court called a “suspect class” or “quasi-suspect class” — a group, like blacks or women, that has experienced a history of discrimination and was thus entitled to increased scrutiny and protection by the state in the promulgation of its laws.

Among the criteria for inclusion as a suspect class, the court said, were whether gay people could “control” their sexual orientation, whether they were “politically powerless” and whether being gay had a bearing on one’s ability to contribute to society.

A lower-court judge, Patty Jenkins Pittman of Superior Court in New Haven, sided with the state, denying that gay men and lesbians were entitled to special consideration as a suspect class and concluding that the differences between civil unions and marriages amounted to no more than nomenclature. The Supreme Court reversed the lower-court ruling.

“Although marriage and civil unions do embody the same legal rights under our law, they are by no means equal,” Justice Palmer wrote in the majority opinion, joined by Justices Flemming L. Norcott Jr., Joette Katz and Lubbie Harper. “The former is an institution of transcendent historical, cultural and social significance, whereas the latter is not.”

The court said it was aware that many people held deep-seated religious, moral and ethical convictions about marriage and homosexuality, and that others believed gays should be treated no differently than heterosexuals. But it said such views did not bear on the questions before the court.

“There is no doubt that civil unions enjoy a lesser status in our society than marriage,” the court said. “Ultimately, the message of the civil unions law is that what same-sex couples have is not as important or as significant as real marriage.”

In one dissenting opinion, Justice David M. Bordon contended that there was no conclusive evidence that civil unions are inferior to marriages, and he argued that gay people have “unique and extraordinary” political power that does not warrant heightened constitutional protections.

Justice Peter T. Zarella, in another dissent, argued that the state marriage laws dealt with procreation, which was not a factor in gay relationships. “The ancient definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman has its basis in biology, not bigotry,” he wrote.

About 1,800 couples have obtained civil unions in Connecticut since the law was adopted three years ago, although gay-rights advocates say the demand has slowed. They cite complaints that the unions leave many people feeling not quite married but not quite single, facing forms that mischaracterize their status and questions at airports challenging their ties to their own children.

But marriage will soon be a possibility for gay couples like Janet Peck, 55, and Carol Conklin, 53, of West Hartford, who have been partners for 33 years. “I so look forward to the day when I can take this woman’s hand, look deeply into her eyes and pledge my deep love and support and commitment to her in marriage,” Ms. Peck said.

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #792 on: October 10, 2010, 08:37:20 PM »
1 in 5 of homo men who engage in anal sex with other men have AIDs. Over 50% of Black homo men who carry the AIDs virus do not know they have the disease.
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« Reply #793 on: October 11, 2010, 03:20:10 PM »
1 in 5 of homo men who engage in anal sex with other men have AIDs. Over 50% of Black homo men who carry the AIDs virus do not know they have the disease.
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« Reply #794 on: October 11, 2010, 08:06:46 PM »
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« Reply #795 on: October 12, 2010, 05:34:05 AM »
1 in 1 of idiot men with the initials BB who post made up stats have AIDS.

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« Reply #796 on: October 12, 2010, 10:00:17 AM »
1 in 1 of idiot men with the initials BB who post made up stats have AIDS.
LOL @ the gay dipshit.  ::) I don't "make up stats."


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I'm Michel Martin, and this is TELL ME MORE from NPR News.

We're going to spend some time talking about issues in health care. And we should mention that the next few minutes might include some conversation about sensitive topics.

In a few minutes, we'll hear about why the Conference of Catholic Bishops is lobbying against requiring health plans to cover contraception as part of the new health-care law. That is later.

First, though, we turn to a troubling new study on the subject of HIV/AIDS. In 21 major cities across the country, according to the Centers for Disease Control, among men who engage in sex with other men, one in five has HIV, and nearly half are unaware of it.

Black men are the most affected, as nearly 28 percent of that group carry the virus, and 59 percent of the men with HIV are unaware of it. Among Latinos, the infection rate is 18 percent; among whites, 16 percent; and nearly half of infected Latinos do not know that they are infected. Gay men are the only group in America where the risk of HIV is actually increasing.


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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #797 on: October 12, 2010, 10:01:37 AM »
I guess Benny would be the one to know the most about this issue since it effects him the most of anyone on this board. 

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« Reply #798 on: October 12, 2010, 10:54:50 AM »
I guess Benny would be the one to know the most about this issue since it effects him the most of anyone on this board. 
It is true that I have ass raped PEA BRAIN on this board many, many times. I confess.  ;D
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« Reply #799 on: October 12, 2010, 10:57:14 AM »
It is true that I have ass raped PEA BRAIN on this board many, many times. I confess.  ;D

Nah - you are mistaking me for your messiah.