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Title: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: The True Adonis on January 19, 2013, 05:11:03 PM
Looks to be the case.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: The True Adonis on January 19, 2013, 05:13:50 PM
(http://jasongenova.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Jason-Genova9-237x300.jpg)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: ChristopherA on January 19, 2013, 05:15:18 PM
Some people's genetics just suck, plain and simple. I had a friend that took Hgh and tren and gained nothing, NOTHING!
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: The True Adonis on January 19, 2013, 05:19:32 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/419425_271260159652322_1036324203_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: The True Adonis on January 19, 2013, 05:20:10 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/408363_271259736319031_1251335172_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Nomad on January 19, 2013, 05:24:36 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/419425_271260159652322_1036324203_n.jpg)

Whats this guys height?
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: The True Adonis on January 19, 2013, 05:32:21 PM
I think PJ needs to answer for his shitty product line.  Genova has been taking it for a long time now and there is absolutely no progress.  He takes it religiously too.  I hate to think whats actually in those products.

Probably saw dust and fish food.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: SF1900 on January 19, 2013, 05:37:43 PM
Whats this guys height?

He is 5'6"
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 19, 2013, 05:42:01 PM
Obviously he looks the same, he will always cause he is just so naive but those pics are old bro, keep it real and put recent ones.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: arce1988 on January 19, 2013, 05:42:44 PM
We want to know the deal with Jason Genova and why he hasn't grown an inch from his Iron Mag Labs stuff he's got.  ;D
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Mr Nobody on January 19, 2013, 05:43:07 PM
He is on his way to the top.  ;)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: The True Adonis on January 19, 2013, 05:44:35 PM
Where is the IronMag "Lab" exactly located? 
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Nails on January 19, 2013, 05:44:46 PM
Worse part is, Jason is like 35 yrs old I think
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: The True Adonis on January 19, 2013, 05:47:31 PM
Worse part is, Jason is like 35 yrs old I think
Not only is PJ Braun working personally with Jason as a "prep/offseason coach", he is loading him up on all of these IronMagLab products all to no avail.   :-\

This can`t be good publicity for anyone.  If I was Jason, I would burn all of my IronMagLab shirts and seek damages in small claims court.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Powerlift66 on January 19, 2013, 05:52:29 PM
Not only is PJ Braun working personally with Jason as a "prep/offseason coach", he is loading him up on all of these IronMagLab products all to no avail.   :-\

This can`t be good publicity for anyone.  If I was Jason, I would burn all of my IronMagLab shirts and seek damages in small claims court.

He just might when his liver falls out..
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Hulkotron on January 19, 2013, 05:55:37 PM
Should switch to Falcon principles, maybe try a pumpkin puree shake.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Irongrip400 on January 19, 2013, 05:57:29 PM
From what I gather, this kid is retarded.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: AVBG on January 19, 2013, 06:35:47 PM
Where is the IronMag "Lab" exactly located? 
I think "Lab" is code for bathtub?
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: deadz on January 19, 2013, 06:39:45 PM
IML is garbage just like all "sports nutrition".
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Marty Champions on January 19, 2013, 09:34:01 PM
Should switch to Falcon principles, maybe try a pumpkin puree shake.

yeah thats what im saying , why the fuck not  ;D

after all its a got damn pumpkin , and pumkins are pretty jacked with good seperation
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 19, 2013, 09:36:07 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/419425_271260159652322_1036324203_n.jpg)

hahahahahah

poor fucker
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Nails on January 19, 2013, 09:42:33 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/283235_303217223120588_969612245_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Nails on January 19, 2013, 09:44:20 PM
(http://meta.filesmelt.com/downloader.php?file=2012-03-15_18_47_53.gif)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Nails on January 19, 2013, 09:46:08 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/282871_309949309116740_147948939_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: arce1988 on January 19, 2013, 09:47:22 PM
  He is MR
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 19, 2013, 09:51:54 PM
Man if this kid does not know that his goals can not be met without juicing why even bother with him. Right now all pj is doing is giving him false hope and mis-leading the kid with this bogus supplements that do not get anyone any where. Like I said before this is an extremely shameful act on PJ's behalf just to attach his supplements to Jayson's "10 000 views" videos. Not cool

What Jayson needs is for someone to really drill in is head that this is what the pros take, this what national guys take and at the very least you need to take this and that to win a local show.

I heard before people on here say Jayson does juice but he doesn't really, you see in a few of his videos he says "I am on the gear now" but he calls some supplement pill "gear" not juice.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Nails on January 19, 2013, 09:52:21 PM
The ReTardinator



(http://gifsoup.com/view1/1781131/genova-fuck-stain-o.gif)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Marty Champions on January 19, 2013, 10:59:34 PM
if he did coke for a week straight hed get the cuts hes sought after
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: TrueBB93 on January 19, 2013, 11:01:32 PM
Some people's genetics just suck, plain and simple. I had a friend that took Hgh and tren and gained nothing, NOTHING!

his stuff was trash then. even a guy with the worst genetics will see atleast somthing if the gear is legit.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Marty Champions on January 19, 2013, 11:04:24 PM
if he did cocaine for a week hed have a crisp looking 8 pack, probably shreeded glutes, he would look like that zyzz guy, his face would become very handsome from having no bodyfat and being young

Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: dj181 on January 20, 2013, 12:26:28 AM
if he did cocaine for a week hed have a crisp looking 8 pack, probably shreeded glutes, he would look like that zyzz guy, his face would become very handsome from having no bodyfat and being young



actually falcon, dudes look younger facially when they got some bodyfat on them
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on January 20, 2013, 01:03:09 AM
Looks to be the case.
Why don't you just go heckle the kids in the Special Olympics, that's the same thing you're doing in this thread.

Sometimes you are just heartless Adam.

(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/7bca36257dca8e9bded9e6e9289337d7.jpg)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: The True Adonis on January 20, 2013, 01:19:48 AM
Why don't you just go heckle the kids in the Special Olympics, that's the same thing you're doing in this thread.

Sometimes you are just heartless Adam.

(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/7bca36257dca8e9bded9e6e9289337d7.jpg)
???
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on January 20, 2013, 01:59:49 AM
Team Genova's witnesses.  ;D
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: bigmc on January 20, 2013, 02:18:36 AM
Why don't you just go heckle the kids in the Special Olympics, that's the same thing you're doing in this thread.

Sometimes you are just heartless Adam.

(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/7bca36257dca8e9bded9e6e9289337d7.jpg)

are you calling jason a retard chiro

bit harsh

ta is making a good point in this thread

he is calling out ironman scams not jason
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: _bruce_ on January 20, 2013, 02:26:16 AM
I think "Lab" is code for bathtub?

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: whitewidow on January 20, 2013, 02:28:00 AM
The one thing he does have is a decent pair of calves at least give the guy that.the rest of him looks horrible for all the shitty supplements and workouts he is doing. decent calf genetics though that is about it though.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: insider on January 20, 2013, 03:56:46 AM
Iron Mag Labs is kind of a joke in the industry
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Powerlift66 on January 20, 2013, 04:54:30 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/uAmSg.gif)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on January 20, 2013, 05:06:24 AM
Genova and Johnny Falcon should team up and make videos together,
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: affeman on January 20, 2013, 05:11:17 AM
This guy has Goodrum genetics, he'll always look like crap, no matter what he does or takes. Give him a break ::)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 20, 2013, 06:53:57 AM
Give Genova some time, he will improve.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Hulkotron on January 20, 2013, 06:54:17 AM
He looks a little like Tbombz in my opinion.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: lightweight83 on January 20, 2013, 07:25:49 AM
He looks to be carrying a decent amount of muscle in the beach pic, but it must have melted away once he lost some bodyfat, cause he looks horrible in the contest pics. 
Someone get this guy on a killer cycle and see if that helps any. 
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: njflex on January 20, 2013, 07:55:08 AM
i thought gh15 was taking him to the promised land....
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: NotSure on January 20, 2013, 08:14:14 AM
Why don't you just go heckle the kids in the Special Olympics, that's the same thing you're doing in this thread.

Sometimes you are just heartless Adam.

(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/7bca36257dca8e9bded9e6e9289337d7.jpg)
Never knew tbombz did powerlifting.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: bicepsofsteel on January 20, 2013, 09:16:35 AM
Give Genova some time, he will improve.

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x381/forumstuff4posting/genova_zpsc8c557f6.jpg)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: MAXX on January 20, 2013, 09:23:57 AM
excuse me sir where is the beach at?

























































I believe it's... that way
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/282871_309949309116740_147948939_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: AVBG on January 20, 2013, 02:15:09 PM
I'm sure things are great for all parties (right now) but I bet Ironmaglabs really looks forward to the day Jason Genova's novelty wears off, hits rock bottom, goes postal and wipes out his his family?  :-\
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Nomad on January 20, 2013, 02:20:18 PM
I remember reading in one of these Jason Genova threads that he is 26. What exactly does Jason Genova do for a daytime job, I can't imagine him getting any serious money just doing gay4pay.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: doriancutlerman on January 20, 2013, 02:28:31 PM
Squeaky boy has had years to "improve" and he's stuck in the same rut.  Sometimes he can struggle to bench 225 for 5 or 6; other times, I've seen him do at least 275 or more for the same number of reps -- and in a more deliberate fashion, at that.

I reckon he takes M1T in a haphazard fashion, and as simple enough to believe that, if he beats his head against a wall long enough, said wall will give way and he'll magically become a better lifter/bodybuilder.

I think the whole thing is sad.  This kid with a high alto voice talks all big, but physique-wise, he looks like a fat, skinny jerk-off next to countless thousands of teen bodybuilders.  He has people to egg him on to ridiculous monickers like "Sith Lord" and "Terminator," to the point that someone filmed his dumb ass trying to recreate Arnold's intro in the original "Terminator."  

I'd advise the kid to find a proper powerlifting mentor and take things from there.  He's not remarkably strong for his weight but I reckon he'd be a far better powerlifter than BBer.  Depending on what he's taking at the time (and I'm not talking that PJ Braun shit), he's an OK bench presser for how shittily he trains ... maybe Louie Simmons or another PL extraordinaire could actually make something of him.

*laughs*

Of course, that'd mean Jason actually followed some directions to a tee.  I'd bet good money he is incapable of that and will forever remain the skinny-fat gym rat who loudly squawks anytime he shits his pants doing a 315 bench.  God or powers that be forbid us for thinking how he'll behave in a gym some 15-20 years from now ...
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on January 20, 2013, 03:23:37 PM
are you calling jason a retard chiro

bit harsh

ta is making a good point in this thread

he is calling out ironman scams not jason
I disagree with TAs point; however you're right. I think Jason is a good kid and I didn't mean to insult him. It was in poor taste. My patience is just very low from reading Anabolicahlo threads, but it's no excuse.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: ChristopherA on January 20, 2013, 06:38:35 PM
the kid only needss to run some 500mg test weekly year round and half the carb intake and hed be quite the physique.

no matter what he benches.
Bullshit. His bf levels even when he dieted for a show were shit. He'd be a walking estrogen factory even on 500mgs. Some people weren't meant to bb, drugs or not. Could he improve? Sure but build quite a physique? No
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Grape Ape on January 20, 2013, 06:53:52 PM
after all its a got damn pumpkin , and pumkins are pretty jacked with good seperation

Jacked - o - lantern?
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: _bruce_ on January 21, 2013, 04:44:14 AM
I'm sick of all this haterade!
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Radical Plato on January 21, 2013, 05:11:36 AM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/419425_271260159652322_1036324203_n.jpg)
Better calves than 90% of pro bodybuilders.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Radical Plato on January 21, 2013, 05:14:20 AM
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I am a true warrior at my sport which is bodybuilding. My goal is to get my pro card by the age of 30 and nothing can stop me from trying to achieve this goal. I am 27 years old right now. My favorite bodybuilders are Arnold, Jay Cutler, Tom Platz, and Dennis Wolf. I love to work out and chill with my boys, and am single for the ladies. Anybody that wants to be my friend is very welcome, especially the ladies, and jealous haters don't appear on my radar. So i hope you subscribe to me and follow my progress from video to video. You can follow me on the "my story" videos and the workout videos I post every couple of weeks so you can see my body develop into a sickening work of art. Contact me if you feel that you can bring something different to the table. It's hard for me to write everyone back who contacts me, but thank you for your support and for stopping by. Bam baby!

Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 21, 2013, 05:17:37 AM
What exactly does Jason Genova do for a daytime job, I can't imagine him getting any serious money just doing gay4pay.

He currently stacks shelves at a supermarket.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: njflex on January 21, 2013, 05:58:47 AM
Better calves than 90% of pro bodybuilders.
YEAH,,PROBLEM LIES GENETICALLY HIPS AND LOWER BACK .I MEAN ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN WITH THE RIGHT DIET/STACK..
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: D.O.U.P on January 21, 2013, 06:19:10 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/282871_309949309116740_147948939_n.jpg)

Wholly shit!

Horrid genetics combined with a non-functioning brain. That's fucking sad.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Radical Plato on January 21, 2013, 06:22:37 AM
YEAH,,PROBLEM LIES GENETICALLY HIPS AND LOWER BACK .I MEAN ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN WITH THE RIGHT DIET/STACK..
This is what I don't understand, he seems genuine and sincere when he says he wants to turn PRO, why isn't he using PED's? Why doesn't the local steroid dealer sponsor this guy.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: njflex on January 21, 2013, 06:41:33 AM
This is what I don't understand, he seems genuine and sincere when he says he wants to turn PRO, why isn't he using PED's? Why doesn't the local steroid dealer sponsor this guy.
THE LAST LINE ...WHY WOULD SOMEONE SPONSOR HIM IF HE'S A BIT OFF UPSTAIRS.DOSEN'T SEEM RIGH,HE LIKE'S TO TRAIN AND EMULATE BBER'S ,MAKE VIDEO'S LEAVE IT AT THAT.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Powerlift66 on January 21, 2013, 06:53:48 AM
Jason should get on this stuff...

IML has good Supps, but these are the best...

(http://www.nutraplanet.com/photos/31915/The_Prime_Time_STack_large.jpeg)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: bigmc on January 21, 2013, 08:01:40 AM
I disagree with TAs point; however you're right. I think Jason is a good kid and I didn't mean to insult him. It was in poor taste. My patience is just very low from reading Anabolicahlo threads, but it's no excuse.

i never click on his threads

he is trying to ruin the board

this is about his tenth account
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Devon97 on January 21, 2013, 11:50:17 AM
From what I gather, this kid is retarded.

Gee ya think?
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: snx on January 21, 2013, 12:49:53 PM
I have to ask.

Is he on the autism/aspberger's scale?

Why is he so weird? If he has a legit mental disorder, I'm not going to poke fun.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Kwon_2 on January 21, 2013, 12:54:43 PM
(http://oi50.tinypic.com/332b6z6.jpg)
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 21, 2013, 12:57:25 PM
Bullshit. His bf levels even when he dieted for a show were shit. He'd be a walking estrogen factory even on 500mgs. Some people weren't meant to bb, drugs or not. Could he improve? Sure but build quite a physique? No
I disagree, the average natural at the gym does not look any better. His bodyfat levels were high cause he did not diet properly. He eats like 400+ grams of carbs even when dieting and just adds cardio thinking that will do the trick.

Sorry but he does not hack it cause he simply does not know how, not cause of genetics, the guy is natural, what do you expect him to look like. Besides how would you know if he response well or not? you don't cause he has never gone down that road.

Throw him on some Test, Eq, Tren and anadrol and make him follow a proper diet and we will see an entirely knew physique, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: Marty Champions on January 21, 2013, 01:49:49 PM
if jason would just starve himself on a few bites of meat a day with some brocolli he would look his best drug free
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on January 21, 2013, 01:54:13 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/419425_271260159652322_1036324203_n.jpg)

tbombz would stuff that ass.
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: snx on January 21, 2013, 02:09:10 PM
tbombz would stuff that ass.

Deep-tissue-massage-style
Title: Re: Jason Genova has made 0 Progress=IronMagLabs is pure Garbage.
Post by: rocket on January 21, 2013, 02:23:42 PM
I have to ask.

Is he on the autism/aspberger's scale?

Why is he so weird? If he has a legit mental disorder, I'm not going to poke fun.

Whatever he has, it's legit.

He's a good kid.  I think it would be lame to make fun of him.