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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #525 on: September 01, 2016, 09:59:00 AM »
Rasmussen: Trump Takes 1-Point Lead Over Clinton

Image: Rasmussen: Trump Takes 1-Point Lead Over Clinton
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By Mark Swanson   |    Thursday, 01 Sep 2016

Donald Trump owns a national lead over Hillary Clinton for the first time since July, according to the latest Rasmussen Reports poll.

The latest results:

•Trump: 40 percent;
•Clinton: 39 percent;
•Gary Johnson: 7 percent;
•Jill Stein: 3 percent.

Clinton is down from a high of 44 percent support in early August, attributed to a post-convention bounce, according to Rasmussen.

Other results from the poll:

•Trump has support from 71 percent of Republicans;
•Clinton has 73 percent support from Democrats;
•Trump leads with men, 44 percent to 37 percent;
•Clinton leads with women, 41 percent to 36 percent.

Rasmussen surveyed 1,000 likely voters from Aug. 29-30. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95 percent level of confidence.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/rasmussen-poll-trump-slim/2016/09/01/id/746223/#ixzz4J1ZB7nPz

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #526 on: September 01, 2016, 10:23:29 AM »
Would love to see Dr. Stein have more influence or make a push in this election but she just seems stuck in that 2 to 4% range.

Do you mean to say she'd possibly take numbers from Hillary?  Or that she has a good platform, or what?  IDK too much about it.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #527 on: September 01, 2016, 01:44:16 PM »
Too close to call.   :o

Election Update: As The Race Tightens, Don’t Assume The Electoral College Will Save Clinton

By Nate Silver
Sep 1, 2016

The race between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump has tightened. Clinton, whose lead over Trump exceeded 8 percentage points at her peak following the Democratic convention, is ahead by 4 or 5 percentage points today, according to our polls-only forecast.

The tighter margins in the polls, which reflect a loss of support for Clinton along with a modest improvement for Trump, have come gradually over the past few weeks. The evidence of a tightening has become more widespread, however, and it’s particularly clear in polls that surveyed the race just after the conventions and are retaking its temperature now. Fox News’s national poll, for instance, had Clinton up by 9 points just after the conventions (in the version of the poll that included third-party candidates) and has her up by 2 points now.

There isn’t any guarantee that Trump will continue to gain ground. Over the course of the year, polls have oscillated between showing a dead heat at Trump’s best moments and a lead of 8 to 10 percentage points for Clinton at her peaks. We’re about halfway between those goal posts now. It’s plausible that the recent shift reflects Clinton’s convention bounce wearing off — reversion to the mean — as much as it does momentum for Trump per se. Most importantly, Clinton is still ahead, with a 74 percent chance of winning according to the polls-only model and a 70 percent chance according to polls-plus.

But what if the race continues to tighten? I’ve often heard Democrats express a belief that Clinton’s position in the swing states will protect her in the Electoral College even if the race draws to a dead heat overall. But this is potentially mistaken. Although it’s plausible that Clinton’s superior field operation will eventually pay dividends, so far her swing state results have ebbed and flowed with her national numbers.

Take Wisconsin, for example. At her peak, Clinton had a double-digit lead there, according to our polls-only forecast. By Wednesday morning, it had declined to an estimated 7 points, as a result of our model’s trend line adjustment — which adjusts polls in all states based on shifts it detects in the race overall — along with data from the Ipsos 50-state tracking poll.

We know that some readers don’t like the trend line adjustment. But if anything, the model hadn’t been aggressive enough. Two highly rated, traditional telephone polls of Wisconsin came out Wednesday, and they showed Clinton up by just 3 points and 5 points. The 3-point lead was in a poll from Marquette University, which had Clinton up by 13 points just after the Democratic National Convention. (As of Thursday morning, Clinton is projected to win by 5 points in Wisconsin, according to the polls-only model.)

Usually, the trend line adjustment helps the model peg what forthcoming polls will look like in a state even if there haven’t been many of them recently. When Clinton established a roughly 8-point lead nationally in August, for example, it figured we’d see polls showing her with leads of 10 to 12 percentage points in some of her better swing states, such as Michigan and Colorado, along with leads of 5 to 6 percentage points in swing states that are just slightly redder than the country as a whole, such as Ohio and Florida. And that’s pretty much what we saw, at least on average. Now that the race has tightened to 4 or 5 points nationally, the model expects to see narrower leads — along with some polls showing a tie or Trump slightly ahead in the more red-leaning swing states:

ADJUSTED POLLING AVERAGE

Clinton’s projected leads have shrunk in swing states

Keep in mind that these numbers are self-correcting. For instance, the model expects new Ohio polls to show Clinton ahead by 2 or 3 percentage points, provided they don’t have a strong Trump-leaning or Clinton-leaning house effect. If new surveys deviate significantly from that range, the model will adjust itself accordingly. But usually this method gets things about right. Swing states are swing states for a reason — they closely follow the overall national trend.

The other thing to notice about Clinton’s swing state polls is that they aren’t especially strong (or weak) relative to her national polls.1

At her post-convention peak, Clinton’s path of least resistance to 270 electoral votes appeared to run through a set of states that included Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and New Hampshire, among others. But in Pennsylvania, the most recent polls have Clinton ahead by margins ranging from 3 to 8 percentage points — perfectly fine, but not that different from her national numbers. We haven’t gotten much data recently from New Hampshire, but it can be swingy, and the most recent numbers from the Ipsos poll (caveat: very small sample size) showed Trump ahead. We did get some high-quality polls from Wisconsin, and, as I mentioned, they weren’t that good for Clinton.

The General Election Is About To Hit The Home Stretch
 
Overall, Clinton’s leads in the tipping-point states — the ones most likely to determine the Electoral College winner in a close election — average about 4 percentage points, close to her numbers in national polls.

With a tighter race, the model’s expectations for Clinton are lower. A new poll showing her up by 5 or 6 points in Florida or Ohio — which would have been a ho-hum result a few weeks ago — could be a terrific one for her today, depending on the pollster.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-as-the-race-tightens-dont-assume-the-electoral-college-will-save-clinton/

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #528 on: September 01, 2016, 01:52:10 PM »
The good news is that in 2 weeks, when Biden/Kaine attack Trump and the cracks in his inconsistent immigration plan arrive... when his debate performance does nothing but make his base smile while the rest of the nation marvels at what an ass he is...

The good news is that when polls start to favor Hilary once again, we can all go back to pretending they're all stupid and dumb and wrong.   THIS week, yes, post that shit... polls are awesome.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #529 on: September 01, 2016, 02:00:46 PM »
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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #530 on: September 01, 2016, 02:05:49 PM »
Rassmussen is the only poll showing Trump leading hilary nationally?


wasnt rassmussen the only poll to claim Romney would win in 2012?   LOL!

Going Out on a Limb: Romney Beats Obama, Handily
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_michael_barone/going_out_on_a_limb_romney_beats_obama_handily

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #531 on: September 01, 2016, 02:07:50 PM »
The good news is that in 2 weeks, when Biden/Kaine attack Trump and the cracks in his inconsistent immigration plan arrive... when his debate performance does nothing but make his base smile while the rest of the nation marvels at what an ass he is...

The good news is that when polls start to favor Hilary once again, we can all go back to pretending they're all stupid and dumb and wrong.   THIS week, yes, post that shit... polls are awesome.

A poll is particularly "awesome" when it is a sole report which was handpicked.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #532 on: September 01, 2016, 02:08:35 PM »
Rassmussen is the only poll showing Trump leading hilary nationally?


wasnt rassmussen the only poll to claim Romney would win in 2012?   LOL!

Going Out on a Limb: Romney Beats Obama, Handily
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_michael_barone/going_out_on_a_limb_romney_beats_obama_handily


That's a story by Michael Barone.  You are incapable of telling the truth.  

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #533 on: September 01, 2016, 02:09:19 PM »

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #534 on: September 01, 2016, 02:11:00 PM »

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #535 on: September 01, 2016, 02:14:02 PM »
Oh yeah!  ::)

Hillary looks like dog shit lately.   The trend is definately moving more torwards Trump w this scandalfest w benghazi, the emails, the clinton cash, her disastrous health, etc

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #536 on: September 01, 2016, 02:15:54 PM »

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #537 on: September 01, 2016, 02:20:22 PM »
Hillary looks like dog shit lately.   The trend is definately moving more torwards Trump w this scandalfest w benghazi, the emails, the clinton cash, her disastrous health, etc

And yet when you look at the current polls, HRC ahead of Trump. Polls do change almost daily. If Trump pulls something out of his bag of tricks that ruins HRC's support, that could change everything.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #538 on: September 01, 2016, 02:20:45 PM »
Hillary looks like dog shit lately.   The trend is definately moving more torwards Trump w this scandalfest w benghazi, the emails, the clinton cash, her disastrous health, etc

No doubt.  Her post-convention bounce is gone.  I still think she is likely to win, but it's looking like it's going to be close.  

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #539 on: September 01, 2016, 02:23:00 PM »
You mad? 

Nope. The game of politics is fun.  ;)

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #540 on: September 01, 2016, 02:26:31 PM »
Nope. The game of politics is fun.  ;)

Well it's nothing if not entertaining this cycle. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #541 on: September 01, 2016, 02:30:00 PM »
No doubt.  Her post-convention bounce is gone.  I still think she is likely to win, but it's looking like it's going to be close.  

Neither candidate has the required 270 electoral votes to win. Currently, this mostly hangs on those 122 toss up electoral votes.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #542 on: September 01, 2016, 02:33:28 PM »
Neither candidate has the required 270 electoral votes to win. Currently, this mostly hangs on those 122 toss up electoral votes.

Nate Silver currently thinks it's too close to call.  I'm rolling with his predictions, whatever they are. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #543 on: September 01, 2016, 02:40:47 PM »
Well it's nothing if not entertaining this cycle. 

I think it is very interesting that Trump is as far behind in New Jersey and New York as he is. Do his "homies" know something that Texas doesn't?

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #544 on: September 01, 2016, 02:41:57 PM »
I think it is very interesting that Trump is as far behind in New Jersey and New York as he is. Do his "homies" know something that Texas doesn't?

Doubt it.  NY and NJ are blue states through and through. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #545 on: September 01, 2016, 02:44:10 PM »
That's a story by Michael Barone.  You are incapable of telling the truth. 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/10/29/romney-rasmussen-win-election/

Oct 29, 2012  ;)


According to the latest Rasmussen state polls, Mitt Romney is in position to win the presidency; he should win at least 279 electoral votes. Romney leads in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, and New Hampshire; Obama leads in Nevada. Wisconsin and Iowa are tied. Were Romney to win both Wisconsin and Iowa, he’d secure another 16 electoral votes, putting him at 295 electoral votes. By way of contrast, George W. Bush won 286 electoral votes in 2004.


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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #546 on: September 01, 2016, 02:47:02 PM »
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/10/29/romney-rasmussen-win-election/

Oct 29, 2012  ;)


According to the latest Rasmussen state polls, Mitt Romney is in position to win the presidency; he should win at least 279 electoral votes. Romney leads in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, and New Hampshire; Obama leads in Nevada. Wisconsin and Iowa are tied. Were Romney to win both Wisconsin and Iowa, he’d secure another 16 electoral votes, putting him at 295 electoral votes. By way of contrast, George W. Bush won 286 electoral votes in 2004.



So now you post a poll over a week before the election.  What did their daily tracking polls show the day before the election? 

And why did you post a link to an article by Michael Barone claiming it was a prediction by Rasmussen? 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #547 on: September 01, 2016, 02:58:20 PM »
I think it is very interesting that Trump is as far behind in New Jersey and New York as he is. Do his "homies" know something that Texas doesn't?

Trump went down to Mexico and faced the music like a Boss.

I look to see him gain 2 to 4 points off that move alone.

Meanwhile Hillary still hiding like a ghost.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #548 on: September 01, 2016, 03:09:29 PM »
Trump went down to Mexico and faced the music like a Boss.

I look to see him gain 2 to 4 points off that move alone.

Meanwhile Hillary still hiding like a ghost.

Have to agree with this.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #549 on: September 01, 2016, 03:19:06 PM »
So now you post a poll over a week before the election.

they were the only ones who predicted a romney win, right?  ;)   

And they're the only ones in RCP saying Trump is ahead right now?  ;) ;)