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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #75 on: September 12, 2008, 09:42:30 PM »
How does McCain/Palin=Bush exactly. You fuckers are soooo weak. Hahahahaha

You're on fire with your observations tonight.

Big Mac = Bush:  Entitlements, taxes, foreign policy, Iraq war, torture, energy, abortion, guns...what precisely is the difference btn McCain's platform and Bush's policy positions?

Do you see the similarities?  They are damn near identical...unless you can point out the distinctions.

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #76 on: September 12, 2008, 09:55:08 PM »
 Look at me! I'm just like 240 with my cut and paste! :)

ABC News’ Charles Gibson, who is being credited with stumping Sarah Palin on the definition of the “Bush Doctrine,” has himself defined the nebulous phrase in a variety of ways, including one that mirrored Palin’s disputed explanation.

Gibson and his colleagues have been all over the map in defining the Bush Doctrine over the last seven years. In 2001, Gibson himself defined it as “a promise that all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated.”

But when Palin tried to give a similar definition on Thursday, Gibson corrected her.

“I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation,” Palin said in her first interview since being nominated as the GOP’s vice presidential candidate.

Gibson countered: “The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us.”

Much has been made of the fact that Palin had to ask for clarification when Gibson inquired: “Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?”

“In what respect, Charlie?” the Alaska governor said.

“The Bush — well, what do you — what do you interpret it to be?” Gibson challenged.

“His world view?” Palin queried.

“No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war,” Gibson said.

That’s when Palin talked of ridding the world of “Islamic extremism,” prompting Gibson to define the Bush Doctrine instead as preemption.

The term “Bush Doctrine” was first coined by columnist Charles Krauthammer three months before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 and has undergone profound changes as the war against terror has evolved.

“There is no single meaning of the Bush Doctrine,” Krauthammer noted in a forthcoming column. “In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration — and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.”

Richard Starr, managing editor of the Weekly Standard, agreed.

“Gibson should of course have said in the first place what he understood the Bush Doctrine to be–and specified that he was asking a question about preemption,” Starr observed. “Palin was well within bounds to have asked him to be more specific. Because, as it happens, the doctrine has no universally acknowledged single meaning.”

Starr pointed out that other ABC journalists, including George Stephanolous, George Will and the late Peter Jennings, have defined the Bush Doctrine on the air in a variety of ways.

Ben Smith of the Politico said the Bush Doctrine exchange was “not a great moment” for Palin. But he conceded that critics are unfairly “pouncing on Sarah Palin’s apparent unfamiliarity with the Bush Doctrine as last night’s gaffe.”

“This isn’t an easy question,” Smith noted. “Commentators have offered a range of meanings for the phrase, from the principle that countries that harbor terrorists are responsible for their actions to broader statements about the spread of freedom.”

Starr added: “Preemptive war; American unilateralism; the overthrow of regimes that harbor and abet terrorists–all of these things and more have been described as the ‘Bush Doctrine.’ It was a bit of a sham on Gibson’s part to have pretended that there’s such a thing as ‘the’ Bush Doctrine, much less that it was enunciated in September 2002.”


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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #77 on: September 12, 2008, 10:08:47 PM »
Isn't Gibson that douchebag that thought tax cuts pay for themselves?  I know he is.  He pulled that rightwing nonsense when he was moderating a democratic debate.

I suppose he could have dumbed down the interview to accomodate Palin.  He could have asked her about her favorite ice cream or how it feels to be a VP candidate or something of the like.

But one would think that a VP candidate would know the nuances of Bush's criminal foreign policy.  Not Palin.  Ask her a question that she does not know how to answer intelligently and it's a game of gotcha.

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #78 on: September 12, 2008, 10:47:53 PM »
Decker. How old are you?

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #79 on: September 12, 2008, 11:07:04 PM »
For all her talk of reform and change blah blah blah... she's like any other fraking politician - totally incapable of giving a straight answer.

If you don't know the answer to a question just say so or ask for clarification. Instead she rambles on like a bumbling twit.

In the end she's a lot hotter when she doesn't talk.

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #80 on: September 12, 2008, 11:14:23 PM »
http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss/2002/

Go to that link and you'll find where the Bush Doctrine started.

How can you support the president when you don't know his own policy?

The Battle with terrorists is to the death...you're with us or against us, anyone helping terrorists is a terrorist, preventive military force against any terrorist sympathizers, torture etc.

Thanks.  I looked at the link.  How in the world was Palin, or anyone, supposed to know that the "Bush doctrine" was something from a 2002 speech and/or website? 

But I do agree we are in a battle with terrorists. 

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #81 on: September 12, 2008, 11:19:15 PM »

“Gibson should of course have said in the first place what he understood the Bush Doctrine to be–and specified that he was asking a question about preemption,” Starr observed. “Palin was well within bounds to have asked him to be more specific. Because, as it happens, the doctrine has no universally acknowledged single meaning.”


Ding!  Good find.  I was thinking the same thing. 

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #82 on: September 12, 2008, 11:36:28 PM »
For all her talk of reform and change blah blah blah... she's like any other fraking politician - totally incapable of giving a straight answer.

If you don't know the answer to a question just say so or ask for clarification. Instead she rambles on like a bumbling twit.

In the end she's a lot hotter when she doesn't talk.



What he said^^
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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #83 on: September 13, 2008, 12:21:02 AM »
They're scared. Let them run around and hug a tree or some sh*t.

What do you have against trees?  ???

Why don't you go out and hug a tree tomorrow. You'll feel much better if you do...  :)

pssst: It really DOES grow on trees, ...so long as you have the right tree.  ;)
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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #84 on: September 13, 2008, 12:26:27 AM »
I had never heard of it either.  

Why is that so not surprising? How about Sam Walton, ...have you ever heard of him?
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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #85 on: September 13, 2008, 07:45:30 AM »
Jag send pics so I can clarify whether or not I should shamelessly attack every point you make or graciously commend you for your intelligence and wit.

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #86 on: September 13, 2008, 08:24:00 AM »
I am shocked that some folks who debate as much as we do here, have no clue about the bush doctrine.  we've had some serious discussions - it was right on par with the marshall plan with its innovate nature when it came out in 2002.  "hit them if they may ever pose a threat to you" was revolutionary thinking, and violated religious doctrine.

more pathetic than her not knowing - was her trying to BS her way thru it... "in what respect, charlie?"

Palin tried to bullshit you, kids.

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #87 on: September 13, 2008, 08:58:43 AM »
I am shocked that some folks who debate as much as we do here, have no clue about the bush doctrine.  we've had some serious discussions - it was right on par with the marshall plan with its innovate nature when it came out in 2002.  "hit them if they may ever pose a threat to you" was revolutionary thinking, and violated religious doctrine.

more pathetic than her not knowing - was her trying to BS her way thru it... "in what respect, charlie?"

Palin tried to bullshit you, kids.

I saw a woman extremely scared. I don't blame her. With the intense spotlight glared on her the way it has been, she was under INTENSE scrutiny, ...but just the same, the entire studio must have stank like lemons. She was shaking like a leaf and it showed. She's NOT ready. With time, I'm sure she'll become an old pro at giving interviews and being put in the hot seat, ...but she needs way more practice. The type of practice that comes before assuming a position.

She didn't come off to me as tough, ...just a loud mouth. And worse, ...and ignorant dangerous loudmouth.  :'(
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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #88 on: September 13, 2008, 09:18:18 AM »
I saw a woman extremely scared. I don't blsme her. With the intense spotlight glred on her the way it has been, she was under INTENSE scrutiny, ...but just the same, the entire studio must have stank like lemons. She was shaking like a leaf and it showed. She's NOT ready. With time, I'm sure she'll be come an old pro at giving interviews and being put in the hot seat, ...but she needs way more practice. The type of practice that comes before assuming a position.

She didn't come off to me as tough, ...just a loud mouth. And worse, ...and ignorant dangerous loudmouth.  :'(

Well Jag, that's the thing with loudmouths... once you discover and make public that half of their tirades are pure bluff (lies) the deception turns into violence. That is how Bush (via Cheney) became such a mass-murderer and how Palin's solutions to a simple problem are of the "well, shoot it!" caliber (no pun intended). The people are IGNORANT beyond belief and a danger to human existence as a whole, be it Gringos or Mexicans or Ugandans.

And if the decision turns out to be a bad one they publicly shrug it off with a "the Lord told me so" speech and the simpleminded, church going, twinky-addict American goes back to cleaning the crumbs off of his/her overdeveloped abdomen while seating in his/her $ 5,000 Abkhasian leather seat in their two million dollar house feeling like the country is going in the right direction.

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #89 on: September 13, 2008, 09:25:32 AM »
I forgot 240 is at the Zenith of American political knowledge.  ::)

I mean afterall, why wouldnt every single politician know what a doctrine created by a columnist that  is open to interpretation means? Getbigs 240 or bust knows what it is- I mean Palin obviously is unqualified to be VP.  240 you should try to establish a fourth party and run as VP- The 240 or bust socialist minority coalition freedom for pedophiles and terrorists ticket-- Maybe you can get Tim Robbins to run as prez?

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #90 on: September 13, 2008, 09:32:49 AM »
I guarantee you, and I say this after reading many opinions from many REAL EXPERTS on foreign policy matters, if any one of these two fucking idiots (McCain or Palin) make it to the White House and actually carry out another invasion, NO INTELLIGENCE AGENCY (apart from the Mossad and the Brits) around the world will cooperate with us, which basically means that the extreme violence that we now see around the world (including ours) being carried out by extremists will be pointed toward the US 24/7. When will we realise that our tough foreign policy stance is a mistake? When a nuke goes off in 1, 2 or 5 American cities? Will it be then that we will pressure our representatives to fucking work FOR The People and not carry out acts against other nations that it wouldn't want carried out against ours?

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #91 on: September 13, 2008, 09:37:51 AM »
I forgot 240 is at the Zenith of American political knowledge.  ::)

I mean afterall, why wouldnt every single politician know what a doctrine created by a columnist that  is open to interpretation means? Getbigs 240 or bust knows what it is- I mean Palin obviously is unqualified to be VP.  240 you should try to establish a fourth party and run as VP- The 240 or bust socialist minority coalition freedom for pedophiles and terrorists ticket-- Maybe you can get Tim Robbins to run as prez?

i give my opinion, but it's worth about as much as the rest of ours, not much.

Now, as far as the Bush Doctrine goes, it's a very real thing, and has been widely discussed in the American media, and defended vigorously by the republicans running the nation.  It's Bush's policy.  I understand she was too busy raising small kids and being governor to keep up on these things, this particular vernacular for it.

But she wants to run the world.  When Putin asks her about her position on it during talks, if she tries "in what respect, Vladdie?", it'll be a very bad thing.

I notice you're trying to divert discussion from Palin onto me and tim robbins.  I'd probably do that as well, if i had an absolutely indefensible position on this one.  She didn't know common terminology for the bush plan.  It's that simple. And she tried to bullshit Charlie Gibson on it.



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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #92 on: September 13, 2008, 09:38:02 AM »
I forgot 240 is at the Zenith of American political knowledge.  ::)

I mean afterall, why wouldnt every single politician know what a doctrine created by a columnist[...]

And what journalist said "you're either with us or with the enemy"? George Walker Bush.

What journalist formulated the 1% doctrine? Dick cheney.

Oh, wait! They're not journalists! They're the president and vice-president...

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #93 on: September 13, 2008, 09:55:09 AM »
Decker. How old are you?
I'm old enough to have known this man personally:


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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #94 on: September 13, 2008, 10:13:43 AM »
i give my opinion, but it's worth about as much as the rest of ours, not much.

Now, as far as the Bush Doctrine goes, it's a very real thing, and has been widely discussed in the American media, and defended vigorously by the republicans running the nation.  It's Bush's policy.  I understand she was too busy raising small kids and being governor to keep up on these things, this particular vernacular for it.

But she wants to run the world.  When Putin asks her about her position on it during talks, if she tries "in what respect, Vladdie?", it'll be a very bad thing.

I notice you're trying to divert discussion from Palin onto me and tim robbins.  I'd probably do that as well, if i had an absolutely indefensible position on this one.  She didn't know common terminology for the bush plan.  It's that simple. And she tried to bullshit Charlie Gibson on it.




I  seriously suggest you read Krauthammer's article http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/09/13/charlie_gibsons_gaffee

He is the first person who is credited with creating the phrase the "Bush Doctrine" and his point is that the meaning of that phrase has changed and means many different things, and that Charlie Gibson's version of it is an obsolete interpretation of the doctrine that is not used anymore.

This is a losing issue for the anti-Palin people, I'd back away slowly from it if I were you.

Another thing is that ABC has shown itself to be horribly biased here. Just look at George Stephanopoulos's softball interview with Obama he did a few days ago. Remember the "muslim faith" thing? Stephanopoulos CORRECTED Obama when he made an error. You do not correct someone your interviewing in order to save them from making a gaffe. Do you see Charlie Gibson doing this for Sarah Palin? Not a chance.

Look I'm not against reporters grilling a candidate, that's what they are suppose to do, but if your only grilling one side and making sure the other side doesn't make a mistake in your interview, you have a serious credibility problem.

The media also seems incredibly curious about Sarah Palin's past, they're going through her past with a fine toothed comb. Which is fine, but please do the same thing with the other guy. I wish the media had 1/2 of the curiosity about Barry Obama as they do about Sarah Palin.

I mean I follow politics closely but I know very little about Obama. What did he accomplish as a community organizer? Why did he stay in a church run by an America hating racist for 20 years? What exactly are his connections with Bill Ayres? Why did he use lawyer disqualify his major opponents when running for the state senate? Why did he vote "present" so often in the senate? What was he taught when he was attending a Madrassa in the Philippines? Did he every worship Allah and Muhammed? Why does he think he can win a national election when he won his Senate seat pretty much unopposed (see the Jack Ryan scandal)? Why does he claim he is going to drastically cut taxes for the bottom earners when they have virtually no tax burden to begin with? What are his connections to the notorious racists and anti-semite Louis Farrakan?

These are questions that a lot of people want to know but are never asked of him. You have to do major research in order to get any idea about this guy but there are straight up lies about Sarah Palin plastered on every major media source in the country, and she's only the VICE Presidential candidate.


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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #95 on: September 13, 2008, 10:14:45 AM »
I'm old enough to have known this man personally:



That stache is magnificent :o



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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #96 on: September 13, 2008, 10:41:34 AM »

Why is that so not surprising? How about Sam Walton, ...have you ever heard of him?

What's your IQ grandma?   :)

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #97 on: September 13, 2008, 10:42:29 AM »
Jag send pics so I can clarify whether or not I should shamelessly attack every point you make or graciously commend you for your intelligence and wit.

Did you know she has a 160 (or 140) or 160 IQ? 

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #98 on: September 13, 2008, 10:44:33 AM »
I  seriously suggest you read Krauthammer's article http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/09/13/charlie_gibsons_gaffee

He is the first person who is credited with creating the phrase the "Bush Doctrine" and his point is that the meaning of that phrase has changed and means many different things, and that Charlie Gibson's version of it is an obsolete interpretation of the doctrine that is not used anymore.

This is a losing issue for the anti-Palin people, I'd back away slowly from it if I were you.

Another thing is that ABC has shown itself to be horribly biased here. Just look at George Stephanopoulos's softball interview with Obama he did a few days ago. Remember the "muslim faith" thing? Stephanopoulos CORRECTED Obama when he made an error. You do not correct someone your interviewing in order to save them from making a gaffe. Do you see Charlie Gibson doing this for Sarah Palin? Not a chance.

Look I'm not against reporters grilling a candidate, that's what they are suppose to do, but if your only grilling one side and making sure the other side doesn't make a mistake in your interview, you have a serious credibility problem.

The media also seems incredibly curious about Sarah Palin's past, they're going through her past with a fine toothed comb. Which is fine, but please do the same thing with the other guy. I wish the media had 1/2 of the curiosity about Barry Obama as they do about Sarah Palin.

I mean I follow politics closely but I know very little about Obama. What did he accomplish as a community organizer? Why did he stay in a church run by an America hating racist for 20 years? What exactly are his connections with Bill Ayres? Why did he use lawyer disqualify his major opponents when running for the state senate? Why did he vote "present" so often in the senate? What was he taught when he was attending a Madrassa in the Philippines? Did he every worship Allah and Muhammed? Why does he think he can win a national election when he won his Senate seat pretty much unopposed (see the Jack Ryan scandal)? Why does he claim he is going to drastically cut taxes for the bottom earners when they have virtually no tax burden to begin with? What are his connections to the notorious racists and anti-semite Louis Farrakan?

These are questions that a lot of people want to know but are never asked of him. You have to do major research in order to get any idea about this guy but there are straight up lies about Sarah Palin plastered on every major media source in the country, and she's only the VICE Presidential candidate.



Good post.  Good points.  The media has been infatuated with Obama. 

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Re: Palin CANNOT DEFINE the Bush Doctrine
« Reply #99 on: September 13, 2008, 02:16:43 PM »
I  seriously suggest you read Krauthammer's article http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/09/13/charlie_gibsons_gaffee

He is the first person who is credited with creating the phrase the "Bush Doctrine" and his point is that the meaning of that phrase has changed and means many different things, and that Charlie Gibson's version of it is an obsolete interpretation of the doctrine that is not used anymore.

This is a losing issue for the anti-Palin people, I'd back away slowly from it if I were you.

Another thing is that ABC has shown itself to be horribly biased here. Just look at George Stephanopoulos's softball interview with Obama he did a few days ago. Remember the "muslim faith" thing? Stephanopoulos CORRECTED Obama when he made an error. You do not correct someone your interviewing in order to save them from making a gaffe. Do you see Charlie Gibson doing this for Sarah Palin? Not a chance.

Look I'm not against reporters grilling a candidate, that's what they are suppose to do, but if your only grilling one side and making sure the other side doesn't make a mistake in your interview, you have a serious credibility problem.

The media also seems incredibly curious about Sarah Palin's past, they're going through her past with a fine toothed comb. Which is fine, but please do the same thing with the other guy. I wish the media had 1/2 of the curiosity about Barry Obama as they do about Sarah Palin.

I mean I follow politics closely but I know very little about Obama. What did he accomplish as a community organizer? Why did he stay in a church run by an America hating racist for 20 years? What exactly are his connections with Bill Ayres? Why did he use lawyer disqualify his major opponents when running for the state senate? Why did he vote "present" so often in the senate? What was he taught when he was attending a Madrassa in the Philippines? Did he every worship Allah and Muhammed? Why does he think he can win a national election when he won his Senate seat pretty much unopposed (see the Jack Ryan scandal)? Why does he claim he is going to drastically cut taxes for the bottom earners when they have virtually no tax burden to begin with? What are his connections to the notorious racists and anti-semite Louis Farrakan?

These are questions that a lot of people want to know but are never asked of him. You have to do major research in order to get any idea about this guy but there are straight up lies about Sarah Palin plastered on every major media source in the country, and she's only the VICE Presidential candidate.


Unless I missed it, the only guy that has really “grilled” Obama was Bill O’Reilly. And, if Palin goes on his show, she'll get the barbecue treatment as well.