Bulking is a terrible idea

[cephissus]

so your advice is that if one can pick between two diets - pick the one that is the most unhealthy?

Do people still believe that lbs of chicken breast and rice in coconut oil are better for you than burgers and pizza?

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Do people still believe that lbs of chicken breast and rice in coconut oil are better for you than burgers and pizza?

burger and pizza has more vitamins and minerals...

[ratherbebig]

Do people still believe that lbs of chicken breast and rice in coconut oil are better for you than burgers and pizza?

youre saying it isnt?

[funk51]

Steve Davis would bulk back in the day.  Not sure how heavy he would get but he looks pretty fat in this shot.  No reason to ever be this fat.

   285 lbs as legend goes

[funk51]

 

[cephissus]

youre saying it isnt?

What makes it better?

[funk51]

 

[ratherbebig]

What makes it better?

what makes one food better than the other is the fat/protein/carbs ratio along with nutritional value

if i woudl to eat a lot of burgers all day, the the wrong type of fats would be through the roof = not good

[Primemuscle]

Do people still believe that lbs of chicken breast and rice in coconut oil are better for you than burgers and pizza?

The unsaturated fats in olive oil and coconut oil are definitely be better for your health. The fats in burgers and pizzas are saturated animal fats. Unprocessed rice is better than pizza dough or hamburger buns which usually come from processed wheat flour.

[funk51]

 

[Primemuscle]

burger and pizza has more vitamins and minerals...

Four ounces of chicken breast also supplies 40% of the DRI for vitamin B6 and over 20% of the DRI for choline. In terms of minerals, chicken is richest in selenium and provides about 57% of the DRI in a single 4-ounce serving. Zinc, copper, phosphorus, magnesium, and iron are also provided by this food.

The only mineral you'll get from coconut oil is iron, which is a nutrient that helps with oxygen transportation. Coconut oil contains a miniscule amount of vitamin K, which is a vitamin that helps your blood to clot.

Brown rice contains very healthy amounts of selenium, magnesium, and phosphorus, along with niacin, vitamin B6, and thiamin. ... "Brown rice is superior to white rice when it comes to fiber content, minerals, vitamins, and phytochemicals.

While you might focus on meats as a good source of protein, they also contain a number of essential vitamins and minerals. The vitamins and minerals ... A 100 g portion of beef sirloin contains 22 mg of magnesium, pork has 20 mg, white-meat chicken contains 29 mg and turkey has 28 mg.

Cheese contains the goodness of a number of essential nutrients, including protein, calcium, zinc, phosphorus, magnesium, vitamin A, vitamin B2 (riboflavin) and vitamin B12.

Wheat flour may be a good source of iron, thiamin, niacin, and vitamin B6.

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what makes one food better than the other is the fat/protein/carbs ratio along with nutritional value

if i woudl to eat a lot of burgers all day, the the wrong type of fats would be through the roof = not good

if you ate a lot of anything all day it wouldn't be good for you long term

Then again there are people on TV programmes like "Freaky Eaters" who have eaten nothing but chips for 10 years and they are healthy enough..

[cephissus]

The unsaturated fats in olive oil and coconut oil are definitely be better for your health. The fats in burgers and pizzas are saturated animal fats. Unprocessed rice is better than pizza dough or hamburger buns which usually come from processed wheat flour.

go check the nutrition label in a jar of coconut oil and tell me some more about "unsaturated fats"

[cephissus]

what makes one food better than the other is the fat/protein/carbs ratio along with nutritional value

if i woudl to eat a lot of burgers all day, the the wrong type of fats would be through the roof = not good

What is the wrong type of fats?

Go4it is pouring refined, liquid saturated fat in his refined with rice and gobbling down mass-farmed diseased chicken flesh until his gut bursts but look out for a slice of pizza!!! That would make him feel "horrible"!

[Go 4 It]

Fuck yeah bros!

[cephissus]

Fuck yeah bros!

The old Romans had a custom which survived even into my lifetime. They would add to the opening words of a letter: "If you are well, it is well; I also am well." Persons like ourselves would do well to say. "If you are studying philosophy, it is well." For this is just what "being well" means. Without philosophy the mind is sickly, and the body, too, though it may be very powerful, is strong only as that of a madman or a lunatic is strong. 2. This, then, is the sort of health you should primarily cultivate; the other kind of health comes second, and will involve little effort, if you wish to be well physically. It is indeed foolish, my dear Lucilius, and very unsuitable for a cultivated man, to work hard over developing the muscles and broadening the shoulders and strengthening the lungs. For although your heavy feeding produce good results and your sinews grow solid, you can never be a match, either in strength or in weight, for a first-class bull. Besides, by overloading the body with food you strangle the soul and render it less active. Accordingly, limit the flesh as much as possible, and allow free play to the spirit. 3. Many inconveniences beset those who devote themselves to such pursuits. In the first place, they have their exercises, at which they must work and waste their life-force and render it less fit to bear a strain or the severer studies. Second, their keen edge is dulled by heavy eating. Besides, they must take orders from slaves of the vilest stamp, – men who alternate between the oil-flask[1] and the flagon, whose day passes satisfactorily if they have got up a good perspiration and quaffed, to make good what they have lost in sweat, huge draughts of liquor which will sink deeper because of their fasting. Drinking and sweating, – it's the life of a dyspeptic![2]

4. Now there are short and simple exercises which tire the body rapidly, and so save our time; and time is something of which we ought to keep strict account. These exercises are running, brandishing weights, and jumping, – high-jumping or broad-jumping, or the kind which I may call, "the Priest's dance,"[3] or, in slighting terms, "the clothes-cleaner's jump."[4] Select for practice any one of these, and you will find it plain and easy. 5. But whatever you do, come back soon from body to mind. The mind must be exercised both day and night, for it is nourished by moderate labour. and this form of exercise need not be hampered by cold or hot weather, or even by old age. Cultivate that good which improves with the years. 6. Of course I do not command you to be always bending over your books and your writing materials; the mind must have a change, – but a change of such a kind that it is not unnerved, but merely unbent. Riding in a litter shakes up the body, and does not interfere with study: one may read, dictate, converse, or listen to another; nor does walking prevent any of these things.

7. You need not scorn voice-culture; but I forbid you to practise raising and lowering your voice by scales and specific intonations. What if you should next propose to take lessons in walking! If you consult the sort of person whom starvation has taught new tricks, you will have someone to regulate your steps, watch every mouthful as you eat, and go to such lengths as you yourself, by enduring him and believing in him, have encouraged his effrontery to go. "What, then?" you will ask; "is my voice to begin at the outset with shouting and straining the lungs to the utmost?" No; the natural thing is that it be aroused to such a pitch by easy stages, just as persons who are wrangling begin with ordinary conversational tones and then pass to shouting at the top of their lungs. No speaker cries "Help me, citizens!" at the outset of his speech. 8. Therefore, whenever your spirit's impulse prompts you, raise a hubbub, now in louder now in milder tones, according as your voice, as well as your spirit, shall suggest to you, when you are moved to such a performance. Then let your voice, when you rein it in and call it back to earth, come down gently, not collapse; it should trail off in tones half way between high and low, and should not abruptly drop from its raving in the uncouth manner of countrymen. For our purpose is, not to give the voice exercise, but to make it give us exercise.

9. You see, I have relieved you of no slight bother; and I shall throw in a little complementary present, – it is Greek, too. Here is the proverb; it is an excellent one: "The fool's life is empty of gratitude and full of fears; its course lies wholly toward the future." "Who uttered these words?" you say. The same writer whom I mentioned before.[5] And what sort of life do you think is meant by the fool's life? That of Baba and Isio?[6] No; he means our own, for we are plunged by our blind desires into ventures which will harm us, but certainly will never satisfy us; for if we could be satisfied with anything, we should have been satisfied long ago; nor do we reflect how pleasant it is to demand nothing, how noble it is to be contented and not to be dependent upon Fortune. 10. Therefore continually remind yourself, Lucilius, how many ambitions you have attained. When you see many ahead of you, think how many are behind! If you would thank the gods, and be grateful for your past life, you should contemplate how many men you have outstripped. But what have you to do with the others? You have outstripped yourself.

11. Fix a limit which you will not even desire to pass, should you have the power. At last, then, away with all these treacherous goods! They look better to those who hope for them than to those who have attained them. If there were anything substantial in them, they would sooner or later satisfy you; as it is, they merely rouse the drinkers' thirst. Away with fripperies which only serve for show! As to what the future's uncertain lot has in store, why should I demand of Fortune that she give rather than demand of myself that I should not crave? And why should l crave? Shall I heap up my winnings, and forget that man's lot is unsubstantial? For what end should I toil? Lo, to-day is the last; if not, it is near the last. Farewell.

[pellius]

What is the wrong type of fats?

Go4it is pouring refined, liquid saturated fat in his refined with rice and gobbling down mass-farmed diseased chicken flesh until his gut bursts but look out for a slice of pizza!!! That would make him feel "horrible"!

"his gut bursts"? You have to have a "gut" first before it can burst.

But lol at those busting on this guy and criticizing his diet and approach when he blows everybody
on this thread away physique wise. You all should be picking his brain asking for advice and tips.

[pellius]

If all you care about is bodyweight: gaining, losing, maintaining weight; then all that really matters
is calories in/calories out. But if you are also concerned with body composition, health and athletic
performance then your choice of nutrients matters a lot. In that case you can't be just concerned with
calories in but how those calories affect your body once "in". 300 calories of jelly beans will have
a very different effect on your body that 300 calories of, say, oatmeal or a can of tuna. Even your
protein sources will make a difference depending on the time of protein you consume. A recent study
showed how protein from Cod fish lowers the concentration of the inflammatory protein C-reactive protein (CRP). That's something you're not getting from your 80% ground beef.

Go4It is obviously doing something right and many of you reading this use just as much hormones as he does but don't come anywhere near his level of muscularity and condition.

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If all you care about is bodyweight: gaining, losing, maintaining weight; then all that really matters
is calories in/calories out. But if you are also concerned with body composition, health and athletic
performance then your choice of nutrients matters a lot. In that case you can't be just concerned with
calories in but how those calories affect your body once "in". 300 calories of jelly beans will have
a very different effect on your body that 300 calories of, say, oatmeal or a can of tuna. Even your
protein sources will make a difference depending on the time of protein you consume. A recent study
showed how protein from Cod fish lowers the concentration of the inflammatory protein C-reactive protein (CRP). That's something you're not getting from your 80% ground beef.

Go4It is obviously doing something right and many of you reading this use just as much hormones as he does but don't come anywhere near his level of muscularity and condition.

you are falling into the trap of taking it to extremes
If you are eating 3000 cals and 300 cals of oats is replaced with 300 cals of jelly beans then its not significant

But no one eats exclusively oats or jelly beans

[cephissus]

"his gut bursts"? You have to have a "gut" first before it can burst.

But lol at those busting on this guy and criticizing his diet and approach when he blows everybody
on this thread away physique wise. You all should be picking his brain asking for advice and tips.

he said it himself, he has no appetite, he's force-feeding. that's my point.

as for the second point he has good DNA, discipline, takes steroids, and has his priorities straight -- what exactly are we supposed to "pick his brain" for, again... tips

[pellius]

you are falling into the trap of taking it to extremes
If you are eating 3000 cals and 300 cals of oats is replaced with 300 cals of jelly beans then its not significant

But no one eats exclusively oats or jelly beans

It's no trap. It's to contradict the notion that all that matters is calories in and calories out. To me
that idea is an extreme over generalization because no one on this board is just concerned about weight per se. Most, probably all, are more concerned about body composition. And I'm sure there are some, like go4it, are also concerned about health.

[pellius]

he said it himself, he has no appetite, he's force-feeding. that's my point.

as for the second point he has good DNA, discipline, takes steroids, and has his priorities straight -- what exactly are we supposed to "pick his brain" for, again... tips

You don't get to 200lbs at his height by having no appetite. He's just not in the habit of over eating.

Maybe I should have rephrased that "we" to "You" as you seem to lack the knowledge and basic principles of a proper diet evidence by many of your posts having to do with nutrition.

He doesn't have any special DNA or genes. Both of you are ectos. But he does have discipline and straight priorities. Perhaps you can benefit from some "tips" in that regard.

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It's no trap. It's to contradict the notion that all that matters is calories in and calories out. To me
that idea is an extreme over generalization because no one on this board is just concerned about weight per se. Most, probably all, are more concerned about body composition. And I'm sure there are some, like go4it, are also concerned about health.

check out my diet in my prep thread, heres is an average days food
3 poached eggs 1 toast
4 oatibix
basa fillet with noodles (not nice, wont be having that again, fish tastes like ditch water)
25gms whey shake
2 beef burgers with pasta and tomato
cottage cheese and pastrami wholemeal bread

Now, would I be better eating chicken and rice 5 times a day?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=642239.0

[OlympiaGym]

I've been eating 5 Rx Bars in between meals, the girl I've been hooking up with from the gym bought them for me for Valentines day But those things are natural, candy bars have no nutrients bro.

LOL! Why would anyone believe him about his diet when he's openly deceitful about his sexuality and gear use? Whatever happened to the thread where he was outed?

[Grape Ape]

4 oatibix
basa fillet ditch water)
25gms

 wholemeal bread[/b]

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