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Holy fuck, what can I say about this fight? Brutal, brutal, brutal! They both came out swinging for the fences, and they both clocked each other several times. They stood up and banged, then Johnson took it to the ground, again and again. Up, down, up, down, up, down. Vitor's hand speed and reflexes are just insane, probably the best of any MMA fighter ever. That is good for him, because these are pretty much the only attributes that he has. But that is all he needs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ya Wands in big big trouble. I like Vitor though he still has a lot left.
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Maybe Tebow can get in the MMA game, because Tom Brady just ended his quarteback career.
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Whoa mma. Isn't their a sub forum for that. Yeah their is a reason it's a sub forum.
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Holy fuck, what can I say about this fight? Brutal, brutal, brutal! They both came out swinging for the fences, and they both clocked each other several times. They stood up and banged, then Johnson took it to the ground, again and again. Up, down, up, down, up, down. Vitor's hand speed and reflexes are just insane, probably the best of any MMA fighter ever. That is good for him, because these are pretty much the only attributes that he has. But that is all he needs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
dan was instructed to keep johnson ground offense short, real classy on danas part as usual
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Whoa mma. Isn't their a sub forum for that. Yeah their is a reason it's a sub forum.
shout your mouth you fucking fa>ggot your time is short here
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shout your mouth you fucking fa>ggot your time is short here
buh bye ;)
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buh bye ;)
really ? you already tried that and failed miserably f.aggot
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Whoa mma. Isn't their a sub forum for that. Yeah their is a reason it's a sub forum.
Shut your mouth convict, real men are speaking.
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Holy fuck, what can I say about this fight? Brutal, brutal, brutal! They both came out swinging for the fences, and they both clocked each other several times. They stood up and banged, then Johnson took it to the ground, again and again. Up, down, up, down, up, down. Vitor's hand speed and reflexes are just insane, probably the best of any MMA fighter ever. That is good for him, because these are pretty much the only attributes that he has. But that is all he needs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Vitor won becuse anthony knew his conditioning would suck and gave it his all for one minute which he was winning. And then ofc gassed. And would have won if he wasn't retarded and fucked up his weight and couldn't rehydrate. Im glad Anthony's fired.
Vitor needs a legit win before you start talking him up though, Which this wasn't. I think hes done. He wants a rematch with silva lol.
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Vitor won becuse anthony knew his conditioning would suck and gave it his all for one minute which he was winning. And then ofc gassed. And would have won if he wasn't retarded and fucked up his weight and couldn't rehydrate. Im glad Anthony's fired.
Don't forget the ref.
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Don't forget the ref.
that also. Anthony wasn't doing much but it was still stood up way too fast. Anthony knew what was going to happen and did try. But he only has himself to blame for fucking this up.
Chael sonnen would R U I N Vitor. And so would a silva. Again.
Vitor has talked some shit about sonnen and sonnen has been calling vitor out for a long time. way before he signed for this fight. Since a silva in hurt once again. After sonnen beats munoz. He could take an easy fight against Vitor while waitinf for a silva. Silva might just retire and call it a day though. Or sonnen might call out jones ;D
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that also. Anthony wasn't doing much but it was still stood up way too fast. Anthony knew what was going to happen and did try. But he only has himself to blame for fucking this up.
Chael sonnen would R U I N Vitor. And so would a silva. Again.
Vitor has talked some shit about sonnen and sonnen has been calling vitor out for a long time. way before he signed for this fight. Since a silva in hurt once again. After sonnen beats munoz. He could take an easy fight against Vitor while waitinf for a silva. Silva might just retire and call it a day though. Or sonnen might call out jones ;D
Wand and Vitor are coaching the first season of Tuff Brazil. Then they're going to fight. I don't know why. It's going to be a massacre. Vitor is way to quick he has way to much left for Wand I hate to say it. They should have Vitor should take on the winner of Chael Munoz for the number one contender.
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Wand and Vitor are coaching the first season of Tuff Brazil. Then they're going to fight. I don't know why. It's going to be a massacre. Vitor is way to quick he has way to much left for Wand I hate to say it. They should have Vitor should take on the winner of Chael Munoz for the number one contender.
Damnit. Sonnen won't wait for that shit.
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happy for Vitor, hes always been my favorite fighters. Remember him whailing on Telligman till he got the ko, crazy hand speed but lacked wrestling and ground defense. Now hes evolved and has more experienced than most of the other guys in his class, would love to see another round with Anderson before they both retire, Vitor has more than what that fight showed.
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i like vitor and i wanted him to win...but the ref seem like he was helping him out ;D
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i like vitor and i wanted him to win...but the ref seem like he was helping him out ;D
He was helping him out, and If I were Johnson i'd be pretty ticked off about it.
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Wand and Vitor are coaching the first season of Tuff Brazil. Then they're going to fight. I don't know why. It's going to be a massacre. Vitor is way to quick he has way to much left for Wand I hate to say it. They should have Vitor should take on the winner of Chael Munoz for the number one contender.
I wouldn't go that far. Both fighters tend to get reckless when they are going in for the kill. All it takes is for Wandy to clip Vitor first. Wandy always has a punchers chance, especially against another striker.
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Holy fuck, what can I say about this fight? Brutal, brutal, brutal! They both came out swinging for the fences, and they both clocked each other several times. They stood up and banged, then Johnson took it to the ground, again and again. Up, down, up, down, up, down. Vitor's hand speed and reflexes are just insane, probably the best of any MMA fighter ever. That is good for him, because these are pretty much the only attributes that he has. But that is all he needs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
"Victor" you idiot!
;D
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"Victor" you idiot!
;D
Isn't 'Victor' and 'Vitor' the same thing??
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Vitors power can ruin anyone, the Silva fight was odd in that he seemed apprehensive to engage and when he was standing there half assed Silva made a mockery of him. Vitor is one of my top 3 favourites, always has been since the 90's, but if he is half assed against him again the fight would end the very same way. He's probably 2 fights away from a title shot at most however looking at how Sonnen crushed power puncher Stann, Vitor would likely be dominated in the same fashion. He has never really used his ground game, and it really is there, but Sonnen is a different class altogether and would likely overwhelm him.
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Vitors power can ruin anyone, the Silva fight was odd in that he seemed apprehensive to engage and when he was standing there half assed Silva made a mockery of him. Vitor is one of my top 3 favourites, always has been since the 90's, but if he is half assed against him again the fight would end the very same way. He's probably 2 fights away from a title shot at most however looking at how Sonnen crushed power puncher Stann, Vitor would likely be dominated in the same fashion. He has never really used his ground game, and it really is there, but Sonnen is a different class altogether and would likely overwhelm him.
Vitor would crush Sonnen in less than one minute. Sonnen leaves his guard open every time he goes for the takedown, and that is perfect for a puncher like Vitor who is so good at using straight jabs with great speed.
And Stann is not primarilly a striker. Are you kidding me? How can you compare both? Brain Stann does not have the fist speed of Vitor. He doesen't have the reflexes of Vitor either, the way that Vitor can see openings and then move in and finish his opponent with those lightning-fast straight jabs. Vitor has the greatest finisher jabs in MMA history due to his ability to perceive openings and then deliver the jabs with great speed and power.
Face it, dude: Vitor at 100% is one of the top 5 MMA fighters ever in all weight classes. This is odd because he is a pretty one-dimensional fighter. He Has nothing besides a great eye at seeing openings in his opponent's guard and devastatingly fast and powerful straight jabs which he uses to finish his opponents in short range. But this is all he needed to win 2 UFC belts and almost a third.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I really want to believe that Vitor could beat him but regardless of how quick he may still be, he's not the vitor of old. Rumble would have dismantled him if his cardio was half way decent after he landed the first punch on the ground, and Sonnen would dismantle a primed Rumble 9 times out of 10. Its not MMA math its simple truth.
The only comparison i made between Stann & Vitor is that theyre power hitters and Sonnen is not afraid to engage in order to control the fight. I really dont see a way of Vitor winning unless Sonnen got cocky and actually tried to box him. What he did to Linland & Franklin was terrifying but i dont think hes even that man anymore.
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Vitor would crush Sonnen in less than one minute. Sonnen leaves his guard open every time he goes for the takedown, and that is perfect for a puncher like Vitor who is so good at using straight jabs with great speed.
And Stann is not primarilly a striker. Are you kidding me? How can you compare both? Brain Stann does not have the fist speed of Vitor. He doesen't have the reflexes of Vitor either, the way that Vitor can see openings and then move in and finish his opponent with those lightning-fast straight jabs. Vitor has the greatest finisher jabs in MMA history due to his ability to perceive openings and then deliver the jabs with great speed and power.
Face it, dude: Vitor at 100% is one of the top 5 MMA fighters ever in all weight classes. This is odd because he is a pretty one-dimensional fighter. He Has nothing besides a great eye at seeing openings in his opponent's guard and devastatingly fast and powerful straight jabs which he uses to finish his opponents in short range. But this is all he needed to win 2 UFC belts and almost a third.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Vitor would annihilate Stann, but saying he'd destroy Sonnen is a little balsy IMO. From a skillset point of view I think yo are right, but from a realistic point of view, Belfort has been known to fold under pressure, and thats what Sonnen does best. Look for Vitor vs Couture..
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Vitor would annihilate Stann, but saying he'd destroy Sonnen is a little balsy IMO. From a skillset point of view I think yo are right, but from a realistic point of view, Belfort has been known to fold under pressure, and thats what Sonnen does best. Look for Vitor vs Couture..
Vitor's main weaknesses are his cardio and his chin. The best way to beat him is to stall the fight until the second or third round, at which point he is exhausted and can be finished easily. In the first round, Vitor is one of the 3 most dangerous fighters ever in any weight division. Also, one hit to the chin is all it takes to KO him. The guy crumbles to strikes.
The fighters who do the best against him are kickboxers who can utilize their knees and legs effectively to outrange him and KO him or take him to decisions, like Anderson Silva and Overeem. Wrestlers usually don't do that well against him because he has great TD defense and even if you get him there he has nasty jiu-jitsu. Remember that Vitor is a black belt under Carlson Gracie, and that actually means something unlike being a BJJ black belt under the Nogueira brothers.
Sonnen would have a hard time getting Vitor down and unlike with Anderson, I don't think Sonnen would be able to simply eat through Vitor's devastating jabs to get the TD. He would likely get KOd if he tried to do that. Anderson is a more talented striker than Vitor, but he does not have the devastating power with his fists that Vitor has. If Sonnnen takes Vitor down, he has to deal with a guy who has almost Werdum-like level of BJJ, and we all know that Sonnen's submission defenses are terrible.
Conclusion: Vitor wins by KO or TKO in the first round, or by submission in the second or third round.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Vitor's main weaknesses are his cardio and his chin. The best way to beat him is to stall the fight until the second or third round, at which point he is exhausted and can be finished easily. In the first round, Vitor is one of the 3 most dangerous fighters ever in any weight division. Also, one hit to the chin is all it takes to KO him. The guy crumbles to strikes.
The fighters who do the best against him are kickboxers who can utilize their knees and legs effectively to outrange him and KO him or take him to decisions, like Anderson Silva and Overeem. Wrestlers usually don't do that well against him because he has great TD defense and even if you get him there he has nasty jiu-jitsu. Remember that Vitor is a black belt under Carlson Gracie, and that actually means something unlike being a BJJ black belt under the Nogueira brothers.
Sonnen would have a hard time getting Vitor down and unlike with Anderson, I don't think Sonnen would be able to simply eat through Vitor's devastating jabs to get the TD. He would likely get KOd if he tried to do that. Anderson is a more talented striker than Vitor, but he does not have the devastating power with his fists that Vitor has. If Sonnnen takes Vitor down, he has to deal with a guy who has almost Werdum-like level of BJJ, and we all know that Sonnen's submission defenses are terrible.
Conclusion: Vitor wins by KO or TKO in the first round, or by submission in the second or third round.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Fair break down of the fight, but i'd still give an edge to Chael just because of how tough and hard to beat he is. You are right about Vitor being the most dangerous fighter on the planet in the first round though, he is really that good. Theres an interview Sonnen did where he talks about how good Vitor really is and how he has trouble putting it all together sometimes, he sounds like he has a HUGE amount of respect for Belfort and what hes done in the last 15 years.
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Vitor had an excellent first round against Ortiz and i still maintain that the fight was a draw. His cardio has been an issue but hes not going far enough in a fight these days for it to be a factor - its often his lack of tactical offence and defense that beat him as opposed to the man hes facing. I wouldnt say that ive ever seen him well and truly overwhelmed by anyone he has faced, he has a record that should be MUCH better than it reads - think Ronnie O'Sullivan in a cage. He had major issues with his sisters murder that haunted him but hes through it now, i still dont believe that hes the same threat to Sonnen that he once was as Rumble had the fight and lost it.
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Vitor had an excellent first round against Ortiz and i still maintain that the fight was a draw. His cardio has been an issue but hes not going far enough in a fight these days for it to be a factor - its often his lack of tactical offence and defense that beat him as opposed to the man hes facing. I wouldnt say that ive ever seen him well and truly overwhelmed by anyone he has faced, he has a record that should be MUCH better than it reads - think Ronnie O'Sullivan in a cage. He had major issues with his sisters murder that haunted him but hes through it now, i still dont believe that hes the same threat to Sonnen that he once was as Rumble had the fight and lost it.
True. He had a real bad streak after his sister went missing.
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Vitor would crush Sonnen in less than one minute. Sonnen leaves his guard open every time he goes for the takedown, and that is perfect for a puncher like Vitor who is so good at using straight jabs with great speed.
And Stann is not primarilly a striker. Are you kidding me? How can you compare both? Brain Stann does not have the fist speed of Vitor. He doesen't have the reflexes of Vitor either, the way that Vitor can see openings and then move in and finish his opponent with those lightning-fast straight jabs. Vitor has the greatest finisher jabs in MMA history due to his ability to perceive openings and then deliver the jabs with great speed and power.
Face it, dude: Vitor at 100% is one of the top 5 MMA fighters ever in all weight classes. This is odd because he is a pretty one-dimensional fighter. He Has nothing besides a great eye at seeing openings in his opponent's guard and devastatingly fast and powerful straight jabs which he uses to finish his opponents in short range. But this is all he needed to win 2 UFC belts and almost a third.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
LOl, Vitor top 5? Look, he is dangerous in the first few minutes of a fight. If he can't hurt someone in that time, then he is in trouble. He was also juiced to the gills in his prime. Hope this helps. Don't let your love for Vitor cloud your judgement (I do the same for Mir) Vitor is a one trick pony.
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vitor broke his hand and is out of the wanderlie fight :o
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vitor broke his hand and is out of the wanderlie fight :o
They might as well cancel that pay per view then :-X It was already complete shit to begin with.
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i heard lebans steppin up to fight wanderlie
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i heard lebans steppin up to fight wanderlie
I'd love to see a rematch of that one.
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I'd love to see a rematch of that one.
That should't even be a co-main event these days. They have that as the main event? Dana shitting all over the brazil fans.
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vitor was juiced to the gills when he fought randy the first time :o, ive always liked belfort and thought he had great talent, he never seem to get the cardio quite right though. when he fought randy the first time commentator jeff blatnick was saying how vitor was the best in the world on the ground/bjj ::) although vitor is a legit bjj bb he was/is far from the best in the world. carlson gave vitor his black belt in the trailor before vitor came walkin out to fight randy in their first fight, this is no disrespect to the late carlson gracie or vitor but they hyped vitor up to much back then and randy took him into the deeper water and exposed his holes. vitors a really cool dude and is very dangerous in the first 7-8 minutes of a fight
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rich franklin will be fighting wanderlie at ufc 47
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Vitor's been breaking his hands from delivering beatings for years, this is news?
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:)