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In another thread TA suggested doing an all out mile of running after lifting.
Let's do it!
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LOL!!! Running on a treadmill vs. a track is different worlds. No comparison.
What are you talking about? There are world class runners who do some of their training on a treadmill. The difference between running on a treadmill and the road isn't that great. Research shows running a say a 6 minute mile on the road is the same as running a 6 minute mile on grade 1% in terms of energy used.
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LOL!!! Running on a treadmill vs. a track is different worlds. No comparison.
LOL!! Running on a track versus running while a pack of Hebrews is after you is different worlds. No comparison.
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What are you talking about? There are world class runners who do some of their training on a treadmill. The difference between running on a treadmill and the road isn't that great. Research shows running a say a 6 minute mile on the road is the same as running a 6 minute mile on grade 1% in terms of energy used.
you can't be serious. I did some interval running outside and it was seriously 10 times harder than a treadmill.
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one mile isn't much of a run... I like to start at like 6mph on the treadmill and go up to 7 after a couple minutes, then 8 and stay there as long as I can, then start the whole process over again until I've run for 5 miles... I try to make a goal of at least 10 minutes a mile
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I ran track in high school and college. I also have some elite training running in boots. LOL.
In 2008 the journal Medicine & Science in Sports and Exercise 40(6), 1093-1100 showed there are some statistically significant differences, such as knee orientation and peak force but overall the researchers concluded the biomechanics are close enough to running on a treadmill compared to over ground running that the differences doesn't matter. This was a kinematics and kenetic comparison of over ground and treadmill running. This was reported by Alex Hutchinson Ph.D.
Air resistance varies of course outside but most researchers say you will come close to reproducing energy level used by adjusting the treadmill up a 1% grade. This is reported in the Journal of Sports Sciences 1996 14(4), 321-327 by Andrew Jones and Jonathan Doust,"A 1% treadmill grade most accurately reflects the energetic cost of outdoor running.
Bottom line, If you can run a 6 minute mile on a treadmill at a 1% incline you can run around a 6 minute mile outside. Many elite runners who live in snow climates do a lot of their winter running on treadmills.
Believe me I'm no fan of treadmills. I like to get outside and run. Now that there's ice everywhere by me I have been in my basement hitting the miles on the hamster machine.
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Your reply reminds of the thin girl chatting amongst the chunky babes.
We see you , we get it, you wear size 6 jeans. :D
Not at all bro, I stopped lifting for like 3 years and got fat as hell, decided to get back in shape and started running on the treadmill, at first I would do 5 miles and it would take me over an hour maybe almost 2, I worked up to what I do now. If your gym has it, after your run sit in the steam room or sauna for like 20 minutes, for some reason that helps build stamina
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About 7 years ago I use to run a hard mile after chest and arm day. I got down to a 6 minute mile that nearly killed me. When I was younger I would have said there is no way a 6 minute mile is hard running but age gets the best of us. Right now I feel like I'm running a million miles an hour if I do a 7 minute mile. Getting old stinks. Don't think you are immune young getbiggers from getting old.
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"Your Hardcore Run May Be as Dangerous as Sitting Around Doing Nothing"
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-02/light-joggers-can-outlast-the-ironmen-over-long-term
"The researchers found those who jogged one to 2.4 hours a week at a slow or average pace with no more than three running days in a week had the best survival rates. Anything longer than that left runners with death rates closer to those who didn’t run at all, the authors said."
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"Your Hardcore Run May Be as Dangerous as Sitting Around Doing Nothing"
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-02/light-joggers-can-outlast-the-ironmen-over-long-term
"The researchers found those who jogged one to 2.4 hours a week at a slow or average pace with no more than three running days in a week had the best survival rates. Anything longer than that left runners with death rates closer to those who didn’t run at all, the authors said."
A 1-2 mile run daily isn`t hardcore running, genius.
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You're so full of shit claiming to have run at 5 mph for exactly 12 minutes.
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Bingo. Why do these numb nuts post this stuff?
if it took you 12 minutes for a mile , then it would be 24 minutes for 2 miles but I would bet a hundred right now you couldn't set your treadmill to 5 and run for 24 minutes straight.
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A 1-2 mile run daily isn`t hardcore running, genius.
you sure?
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you sure?
Maybe someone like you would struggle with 5-12 minutes of cardio a day. That is plausible for sure.
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if it took you 12 minutes for a mile , then it would be 24 minutes for 2 miles but I would bet a hundred right now you couldn't set your treadmill to 5 and run for 24 minutes straight.
why not? that's barely jogging bro
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Maybe someone like you would struggle with 5-12 minutes of cardio a day. That is plausible for sure.
would it be considered vigorous?
"Vigorous running -- faster than 7 miles an hour, more than three times a week - - could be almost as harmful as sitting around doing nothing, according to a new cardiology study "
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would it be considered vigorous?
"Vigorous running -- faster than 7 miles an hour, more than three times a week - - could be almost as harmful as sitting around doing nothing, according to a new cardiology study "
Thats dumb as shit.
What if I were to run 7 MPH, for 20 seconds four times a week Total of 80 seconds. Is that harmful or fatal? ::)
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"Your Hardcore Run May Be as Dangerous as Sitting Around Doing Nothing"
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-02/light-joggers-can-outlast-the-ironmen-over-long-term
"The researchers found those who jogged one to 2.4 hours a week at a slow or average pace with no more than three running days in a week had the best survival rates. Anything longer than that left runners with death rates closer to those who didn’t run at all, the authors said."
Doctor Ken Cooper who has done more research on aerobic cardio exercise than just about anyone put it simply. He said in effect if you are running more than 3 miles a day you are doing it to become a better athlete and not necessarily to increase your health.
Cardio has prevented more heart attacks than it has caused. The first thing Doctors have you do in cardiac rehab is cardio exercise.
Cardio can do the following things for your health.
Lower your resting heart rate that illustrates your heart muscle is stronger.
Low blood fats as in triglycerides.
Lower visceral fat that causes metabolic problems like diabetes.
Lower high blood sugar
In many it can lower blood pressure
It can change the ratios of HDL and LDL for the better.
Lower subcutaneous fat.
Running can increase bone density.
Many report lower incidence of depression after starting a cardio routine
Can lower cholesterol from less visceral fat that can lead to metabolic problems causing a liver to produce more cholesterol.
Increases capillaries alternate pathways in the blood supplies to the heart that can spell the difference between life and death when a blockage occurs.
Cardio can lower inflammation which many doctors believe the C reactive protein test can be a predictor of risk for heart problems.
That's all I can think of for now. Is cardio activities like running a cure all? Obviously no, but it can lower the risk factors and in life putting the odds in your favor is always a wise move.
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would it be considered vigorous?
"Vigorous running -- faster than 7 miles an hour, more than three times a week - - could be almost as harmful as sitting around doing nothing, according to a new cardiology study "
I like how you left this out.
Vigorous running -- faster than 7 miles an hour, more than 2.4 hours a week, more than three times a week
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Ok Capt Obvious.
In related news, fake boobs feel different then real ones.
* Since this is a gym based post lift challenge the treadmill made sense Capt.
Plus it's winter right now for many people.
I was doing my intervalls outside man. Killer shit. While walking the dog too, fucker made me run way too fast in the sprints, lol!
Well if it's so obvious, how the hell could someone have mistaken it for being equal??? Riddle me that, lol!!!
Plus I live in Quebec, don't give me no pussy boy excuses of not doing it during winter wherever you are, lol...
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if it took you 12 minutes for a mile , then it would be 24 minutes for 2 miles but I would bet a hundred right now you couldn't set your treadmill to 5 and run for 24 minutes straight.
dude - that's a fast walk
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Just got done with my mile after Bis and Tris. Good Stuff. Fueled by Key Lime Whoopie Pies.
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LOL!!! Running on a treadmill vs. a track is different worlds. No comparison.
How,would you know ? the last time you ran with a purpose...you were 11 years old and the wind took your kite out of your hands
:D
you ever see those sick plays in a football game? Where one supremely athletic guy jumps right over another guy ? completely making him his bitch?
that's what I would do to you. only I wouldn't jump completely over you, I would make sure my ass hit you in the forehead and fart at the same time....completely covering you in fart molecules
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How,would you know ? the last time you ran with a purpose...you were 11 years old and the wind took your kite out of your hands
:D
you ever see those sick plays in a football game? Where one supremely athletic guy jumps right over another guy ? completely making him his bitch?
that's what I would do to you. only I wouldn't jump completely over you, I would make sure my ass hit you in the forehead and fart at the same time....completely covering you in fart molecules
ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Do you think Wiggmund would ever recover from such a severe "Assing" ?
He would have a mark on his head like Gorbachev :D
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"Don't exercise too much or too hard" Yes this is exactly the message our fit and healthy general population needs to hear.
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Doctor Ken Cooper who has done more research on aerobic cardio exercise than just about anyone put it simply. He said in effect if you are running more than 3 miles a day you are doing it to become a better athlete and not necessarily to increase your health.
Cardio has prevented more heart attacks than it has caused. The first thing Doctors have you do in cardiac rehab is cardio exercise.
Cardio can do the following things for your health.
Lower your resting heart rate that illustrates your heart muscle is stronger.
Low blood fats as in triglycerides.
Lower visceral fat that causes metabolic problems like diabetes.
Lower high blood sugar
In many it can lower blood pressure
It can change the ratios of HDL and LDL for the better.
Lower subcutaneous fat.
Running can increase bone density.
Many report lower incidence of depression after starting a cardio routine
Can lower cholesterol from less visceral fat that can lead to metabolic problems causing a liver to produce more cholesterol.
Increases capillaries alternate pathways in the blood supplies to the heart that can spell the difference between life and death when a blockage occurs.
Cardio can lower inflammation which many doctors believe the C reactive protein test can be a predictor of risk for heart problems.
That's all I can think of for now. Is cardio activities like running a cure all? Obviously no, but it can lower the risk factors and in life putting the odds in your favor is always a wise move.
I agree...
I run 5k at a time - sometimes but rarely 10k.
5k is just over 3 miles and for me a good time is just over 22 minutes. That's with low humidity - LA coast, Chicago. In Thailand when it's very humid, it's more like 24:10.
Last time I was in hospital (vasectomy), I was in the recovery room and the machine kept buzzing because my resting heart rate was 39-43 BPM.
When I tell people I run 5k and it takes 22 minutes they usually tell me "that's not even a warm up" or "there's no point exercising less than 30 minutes".
When I go mountain biking it's for an hour or so - but that's a more leisurely activity - more to clear my head and think than anything else.
But running long distances? Not for me - not at 44 years old. I don't see the point in all the wear & tear.
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Has to be said - treadmill running at a certain speed takes less effort that free running the same speed.
Fairly simple - when you go out for a run, the ground is not moving beneath your feet. You are putting in 100% of the effort.
With a treadmill, the floor moves beneath you - so the treadmill is providing a lot of the energy for your run.
Not a huge issue - just crank up the treadmill a bit.
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I run a halv maraton every weekend, and 2 shorter 60-70minutes run twice/week on the treadmil and then do some ass to grass squats with 200pound! All other days I lift weight!
I do barefoot running in fivefingers. Legs hips knee total free from soreness. Calves stil hurt some! But getting better. Actually its so hard on the calves ankel/feet that after 8 moths of doing it 3 times /week my body is stil not strong enough. I get sore! Think I need atleast 12 more months to get adapted!
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Has to be said - treadmill running at a certain speed takes less effort that free running the same speed.
Fairly simple - when you go out for a run, the ground is not moving beneath your feet. You are putting in 100% of the effort.
With a treadmill, the floor moves beneath you - so the treadmill is providing a lot of the energy for your run.
Not a huge issue - just crank up the treadmill a bit.
My speed is always faster outside than on the threadmil! Just saying...
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My speed is always faster outside than on the threadmil! Just saying...
Try 80% humidity..
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long distance running = fucking stupid
I did 12 - 18 mile runs year ago. At best I ran the 12 miles in one hour 26 minutes, and 18 miles in 2 hours sharp. Lots of uphills. Twice a week I'd do this.
I didn't become at all stronger, I only got a serious endorfin rush after every run, maybe some bragging rights and lower back akes but I didn't really gain shit.
Now last week I decided to start sprinting again since 2011 summer or something. It was awesome, I felt powerful, agile and energetic. And it seems my oxygen uptake has already improved a little and my legs looked awesome. Of course there's some dark clouds above me, again, because my left knee hurts from the front if I put any presure on it. I hope it goes away fast because sprinting = the way!
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I find the key is just to mix it up.
I like mixing individual miles between push up / pull up cycles....sometimes it's a fast 2 mile, a 5k, or occasionally I'd do 10 miles followed by a 5k ruck......trails, hills, tracks, turf.....just keep moving. It will work out fine.
Sprint intervals mixed in, all that shit. It's all good.
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long distance running = fucking stupid
I did 12 - 18 mile runs year ago. At best I ran the 12 miles in one hour 26 minutes, and 18 miles in 2 hours sharp. Lots of uphills. Twice a week I'd do this.
I didn't become at all stronger, I only got a serious endorfin rush after every run, maybe some bragging rights and lower back akes but I didn't really gain shit.
Now last week I decided to start sprinting again since 2011 summer or something. It was awesome, I felt powerful, agile and energetic. And it seems my oxygen uptake has already improved a little and my legs looked awesome. Of course there's some dark clouds above me, again, because my left knee hurts from the front if I put any presure on it. I hope it goes away fast because sprinting = the way!
Sprinting is nice if your under 30 years old. I can bet my left ball u dont do this regular for 1-2 years in a row. U just dont! Its just happines for the moment, fun 5-10times, then its, oh no, not this shit again! Better to find a way to can keep the consistancy for years, all life! That is running with low or medium intensity and maybe some faster intevall when u feel for it! The main problem with interval is that people doing them 100% till they puke and brag about it, this is not sustainabel. U need to do them like 95% of your max, they should not be uncomfartabel, otherwise you wont last long and quit your training when motivation goes down.
Always get satisfied looking myself in the mirror :D 6"3 195 pound, ripped slim, drugfree 36yrs old! No diet, only hard work!
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Sprinting is nice if your under 30 years old. I can bet my left ball u dont do this regular for 1-2 years in a row. U just dont! Its just happines for the moment, fun 5-10times, then its, oh no, not this shit again! Better to find a way to can keep the consistancy for years, all life! That is running with low or medium intensity and maybe some faster intevall when u feel for it! The main problem with interval is that people doing them 100% till they puke and brag about it, this is not sustainabel. U need to do them like 95% of your max, they should not be uncomfartabel, otherwise you wont last long and quit your training when motivation goes down.
Always get satisfied looking myself in the mirror :D 6"3 195 pound, ripped slim, drugfree 36yrs old! No diet, only hard work!
I could sprint all the time if I didn't get injured. Resting and healing is important, but I believe sprinting is the best form of running. It also makes it shit easy to keep lean/ripped. All these 20 minute 40 minute tredmillers are dellusional, they have no idea how much more work you cand do in shorter running time.
If one takes time off from sprinting I wouldn't do jogging 'for recovery', rather swim, anything but jog :D
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Most of the time I run it's after a workout, I run as fast as possible but not a sprint because all my running is on trails.
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long distance running = fucking stupid
Agreed.
When you can take copious amounts of drugs, ruin your heart, liver and kidneys for a few hours parading on stage wearing a sparkly thong in front of an audience of homosexuals and be rewarded with a $20 plastic trophy and a check that covers 1/10th of your drug bill.
Running is just plain silly.
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Congratulations Mr Canuck.
You get the prize for freezing your balls off .
I'm such a dumbass and ran inside on a treadmill and didn't freeze. ::)
Maybe you'll die a heroic death someday when a polar bear eats you while running on an iceberg.
pussy boy.
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I run every two days on the threadmill but imo, to have an equivalent to an outside run, you need to set the incline at 2%. I know the conversion charts show otherwise but base on my pace, I would say it is about right.
6:30-7:00 for a mile is a very respectable time imo. People will tell you those are pussy times but for overall athletic balance, I think these are good times... It give you a 1,5 mile time of about 10 minutes which are in the "excellent" category for the PRT...
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I agree...
I run 5k at a time - sometimes but rarely 10k.
5k is just over 3 miles and for me a good time is just over 22 minutes. That's with low humidity - LA coast, Chicago. In Thailand when it's very humid, it's more like 24:10.
Last time I was in hospital (vasectomy), I was in the recovery room and the machine kept buzzing because my resting heart rate was 39-43 BPM.
When I tell people I run 5k and it takes 22 minutes they usually tell me "that's not even a warm up" or "there's no point exercising less than 30 minutes".
When I go mountain biking it's for an hour or so - but that's a more leisurely activity - more to clear my head and think than anything else.
But running long distances? Not for me - not at 44 years old. I don't see the point in all the wear & tear.
Moderate-distance high-intensity running (e.g. a hard 5k, 400-m repeats, etc.) is among the most beneficial exercises imho.
Has to be said - treadmill running at a certain speed takes less effort that free running the same speed.
Fairly simple - when you go out for a run, the ground is not moving beneath your feet. You are putting in 100% of the effort.
With a treadmill, the floor moves beneath you - so the treadmill is providing a lot of the energy for your run.
Not a huge issue - just crank up the treadmill a bit.
This is not really correct though. When running on ground you have to do work on the ground or else to don't go anywhere. On a treadmill you have to do work on the treadmill or else you fall off the treadmill. Treadmill running is not equivalent to outdoor running but notion that treadmills do work for you somehow is false.
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I'm pretty sure the motion is almost the same threadmill vs outside
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7421475
I'm 5'8 185 so swimmer all the way lol
I used to get discouraged all the time when I started running because of the internet warriors telling things like "yeah, 12 mph is not that fast blah blah balh". Especially at letsrun.com. I hate those arrogant pricks. In any case, the first time I went to 12mph everybody at the gym stopped to watch me... Like everyone claiming a 315 bench but when someone really does it, people stop to stare at him...
So anyways Howard, just do what you can do and build up from there. In one year, you will be amazed of your progress. Even for old timers like us!
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Agreed.
When you can take copious amounts of drugs, ruin your heart, liver and kidneys for a few hours parading on stage wearing a sparkly thong in front of an audience of homosexuals and be rewarded with a $20 plastic trophy and a check that covers 1/10th of your drug bill.
Running is just plain silly.
I spesifically said long distance running is stupid, but I praised sprinting. Don't be a baby.
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I'm pretty sure the motion is almost the same threadmill vs outside
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7421475
I'm 5'8 185 so swimmer all the way lol
I used to get discouraged all the time when I started running because of the internet warriors telling things like "yeah, 12 mph is not that fast blah blah balh". Especially at letsrun.com. I hate those arrogant pricks. In any case, the first time I went to 12mph everybody at the gym stopped to watch me... Like everyone claiming a 315 bench but when someone really does it, people stop to stare at him...
So anyways Howard, just do what you can do and build up from there. In one year, you will be amazed of your progress. Even for old timers like us!
But of course...LOL.
Same as posting a pic here and picless testicle lickers criticizing it.
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I am going to do my running tonight at 18 degrees. Love that burst of cold air in the lungs.
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I know the feeling. :)
Hey TA, your reply reminds me how much I miss my old regular runs.
I'm in piss poor running shape now, but I've started back at least.
A mile every day for you. Keep at it. You will be good to go in no time. Just make sure you are making it difficult for yourself. Afterall, its only a mile and over before you know it.
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