Author Topic: The ABBF is suspended by the IFBB : CORRUPTION ? (Read 124449 times)

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #350 on:** April 21, 2009, 11:23:42 AM »

Quote from: big_mal on April 21, 2009, 11:19:45 AM

You do good as the Rep, im not even gonna front. Health insurance and more income, shit you should work for Obama

x2 haha

Schmoe Buster · « **Reply #351 on:** April 21, 2009, 11:31:46 AM »

Quote from: Chick on April 21, 2009, 11:17:44 AM

No, I don't receive any compensation from the IFBB, or the Athletes....

I've been in the business for 30 years, I have a background in law, and have an excellent repor with the judges, officials.

If tyhere was no need for a rep...there wouldn't be one. There had been no voice for many years which led no NOTHING being done on behalf of anyone, until Shawn and I raised the issue and took the steps necessary to gain a voice to be heard. The changes since that time have been significant by way of changes to the judging, more money to the athletes, health overage, etc....

Feel free to research the official minutes of all the proposals I've submitted on behalf of the athletes for the past 3 years

perhaps you are jockeying for a position in the IFBB further down the road, maybe as Manion's successor?

credit where credits due Bob, the changes in judging and raise in prize money are very welcome but perhaps you could do something about the corruption that has been the main theme of this thread, and deal with that troll Chua and his wicked ways, its people like him that are killing a sport you've been working hard at, as you say for 30 years!

Chick · « **Reply #352 on:** April 21, 2009, 11:42:12 AM »

Quote from: Schmoe Buster on April 21, 2009, 11:31:46 AM

perhaps you are jockeying for a position in the IFBB further down the road, maybe as Manion's successor?

credit where credits due Bob, the changes in judging and raise in prize money are very welcome but perhaps you could do something about the corruption that has been the main theme of this thread, and deal with that troll Chua and his wicked ways, its people like him that are killing a sport you've been working hard at, as you say for 30 years!

Which brings us full circle....I have nothing to do with Chua, the Amateur IFBB, the ABBF...I've never been to Asia, wasn't in attendance at the show in question, have never been alerted to anything of the sort steming from the Asian Games...

Milos was there, seen what he seen, took the course of action he did, was not able to provide proof of his allegations and was subsequently suspended....What I did, was write up his appeal and submit it for him, at his request...as I felt it was my obligation even though he was no longer part of the IFBB.

So, I'll ask one more time...just what did you want me to do about a guy I've never met, a show I've never been to, or corruption on th other side of the earth?

Frank D. Law · « **Reply #353 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:21:11 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 21, 2009, 10:44:44 AM

I dont "work" for anyone in the IFBB...I represent the athletes and submit proposals, address issues, and offer advice on business/ career matters associated with profesional bodybuilding.

Basile has yet to answer to one single question....If he is your source of info, then I see where the problem lies

Hey Buster! It's a waste of time responding to the demand for specifics from this schmoe of an 'athletes' rep'. That's all part of his M.O. to befuddle, becloud and confuse. That's how an escape artist operates.

He can't even spell although that doesn't stop him from 'representing the athletes, submitting proposals, addressing issues and offering advice on business/career matters'.

Frank D. Law · « **Reply #354 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:28:01 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 21, 2009, 11:17:44 AM

No, I don't receive any compensation from the IFBB, or the Athletes....

I've been in the business for 30 years, I have a background in law, and have an excellent repor with the judges, officials.

If tyhere was no need for a rep...there wouldn't be one. There had been no voice for many years which led no NOTHING being done on behalf of anyone, until Shawn and I raised the issue and took the steps necessary to gain a voice to be heard. The changes since that time have been significant by way of changes to the judging, more money to the athletes, health overage, etc....

Feel free to research the official minutes of all the proposals I've submitted on behalf of the athletes for the past 3 years

See, I told you this schmoe can't spell! Yet, he has a background in law. LOL.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #355 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:09:56 PM »

Quote from: Frank D. Law on April 21, 2009, 12:21:11 PM

Hey Buster! It's a waste of time responding to the demand for specifics from this schmoe of an 'athletes' rep'. That's all part of his M.O. to befuddle, becloud and confuse. That's how an escape artist operates.

He can't even spell although that doesn't stop him from 'representing the athletes, submitting proposals, addressing issues and offering advice on business/career matters'.

he is never wrong

Vince B · « **Reply #356 on:** April 21, 2009, 03:50:04 PM »

Bob is the officially appointed pro athletes rep so can't be wrong about anything. That is why the pros need a smarter guy than they are. If they knew that they could represent themselves where would the IFBB be? So they keep it confusing so they swear they need someone to work on their behalf. What a joke. Bob C representing Lee Priest? I wouldn't let that stooge Chick draw up an appeal for anyone let alone a bodybuilder. Bob still doesn't get it that he isn't needed. I mean, how many contests do the pros compete in each year? Some do one show. How long has the IFBB and this so-called Pro League been around? How long have the magazines been around? How long has the internet been around? It is all total bullshit and Bob is quite good at that. He can bullshit all day and all night long! Why on earth would any intelligent person volunteer to do a controversial job and get blamed for heaps of things he isn't responsible for? Answer: he profits from having what looks like on paper an important title in the organization. Look at some of the stooges and patsies in the IFBB. Bob has no clue about Asia. Well, Bob, you don't have to live or travel to Asia to have known who Paul Chua was. He was a vice-president in the IFBB and head of Asian bodybuilding.

What training in law is Bob claiming he has? He assisted a sheriff collect property and enforce various laws. In other words, he was the guy who showed up to repossess your car or other goods if you couldn't pay for them. He is the bona fide repo-man! Just the bloke to enforce bylaws of the IFBB. Stooge, patsy, bouncer and guard dog for and of the Pro League. Nothing more and nothing less. Put a fork in this pie eater because he is done!

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #357 on:** April 21, 2009, 03:54:40 PM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on April 21, 2009, 03:50:04 PM

Bob is the officially appointed pro athletes rep so can't be wrong about anything. That is why the pros need a smarter guy than they are. If they knew that they could represent themselves where would the IFBB be? So they keep it confusing so they swear they need someone to work on their behalf. What a joke. Bob C representing Lee Priest? I wouldn't let that stooge Chick draw up an appeal for anyone let alone a bodybuilder. Bob still doesn't get it that he isn't needed. I mean, how many contests do the pros compete in each year? Some do one show. How long has the IFBB and this so-called Pro League been around? How long have the magazines been around? How long has the internet been around? It is all total bullshit and Bob is quite good at that. He can bullshit all day and all night long! Why on earth would any intelligent person volunteer to do a controversial job and get blamed for heaps of things he isn't responsible for? Answer: he profits from having what looks like on paper an important title in the organization. Look at some of the stooges and patsies in the IFBB. Bob has no clue about Asia. Well, Bob, you don't have to live or travel to Asia to have known who Paul Chua was. He was a vice-president in the IFBB and head of Asian bodybuilding.

What training in law is Bob claiming he has? He assisted a sheriff collect property and enforce various laws. In other words, he was the guy who showed up to repossess your car or other goods if you couldn't pay for them. He is the bona fide repo-man! Just the bloke to enforce bylaws of the IFBB. Stooge, patsy, bouncer and guard dog for and of the Pro League. Nothing more and nothing less. Put a fork in this pie eater because he is done!

wow haha

karu · « **Reply #358 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:30:30 PM »

100% of IFBB pros use drugs - against the rules, but no problem
Kai Green, Denise Masino do porn - against the rules, but hey no problem
Bob Chick openly slanders all of womens bodybuilding - against the rules, but no problem

Lee Priest competes in the PDI - oh my god, we have can't have that - suspended.
Milos accuses an IFBB official of corruption - oh my god, we have can't have that - suspended.

IFBB = hypocrisy at it best

Quote from: Chick on April 20, 2009, 02:07:12 PM

I'll ask you the same as everyone else that has the same opinion....what rule do you feel the IFBB selectivly followed in regards to Milos and this Paul Chua situation?

karu · « **Reply #359 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:33:55 PM »

Ron Avidan,

despite your valiant attempts. Bob Chick's credibility is diminishing with every single post.

Quote from: Ron on April 20, 2009, 06:10:39 PM

From how I see it, the IFBB Pro League is different than the IFBB amatuer federation, which there are around 180 coutries around the world. In the US, the NPC is the amatuer federation which then, if you win various contests, you can become a pro in the IFBB Pro League. Whereas in other countries, you need to do well in the IFBB amatuers and become a pro within each country to compete in the IFBB Pro League.

It is different - the ABBF was the amatuer organization under the IFBB. The IFBB Pro League is the professional organization. Is there a link. Of course, but are they completely different. Yes.

Milos chose to attack the IFBB without the necessary proof at the time. He was suspended, as the IFBB itself was being attacked.

karu · « **Reply #360 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:37:29 PM »

its funny how you have yet to even address Tim's "trivial details",
probably because you refuse to comment on topics you aren't familiar with.
wise.

Quote from: Chick on April 20, 2009, 07:50:05 PM

AMI owns the publications...not the IFBB.

Unless you're an AMI contracted athlete, voicing an opinion of Pecker would be here nor there...

Your constant attention to trivial detail / semantics is pointless, Tim....

NaturalWonder83 · « **Reply #361 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:40:02 PM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on April 21, 2009, 03:50:04 PM

Bob is the officially appointed pro athletes rep so can't be wrong about anything. That is why the pros need a smarter guy than they are. If they knew that they could represent themselves where would the IFBB be? So they keep it confusing so they swear they need someone to work on their behalf. What a joke. Bob C representing Lee Priest? I wouldn't let that stooge Chick draw up an appeal for anyone let alone a bodybuilder. Bob still doesn't get it that he isn't needed. I mean, how many contests do the pros compete in each year? Some do one show. How long has the IFBB and this so-called Pro League been around? How long have the magazines been around? How long has the internet been around? It is all total bullshit and Bob is quite good at that. He can bullshit all day and all night long! Why on earth would any intelligent person volunteer to do a controversial job and get blamed for heaps of things he isn't responsible for? Answer: he profits from having what looks like on paper an important title in the organization. Look at some of the stooges and patsies in the IFBB. Bob has no clue about Asia. Well, Bob, you don't have to live or travel to Asia to have known who Paul Chua was. He was a vice-president in the IFBB and head of Asian bodybuilding.

What training in law is Bob claiming he has? He assisted a sheriff collect property and enforce various laws. In other words, he was the guy who showed up to repossess your car or other goods if you couldn't pay for them. He is the bona fide repo-man! Just the bloke to enforce bylaws of the IFBB. Stooge, patsy, bouncer and guard dog for and of the Pro League. Nothing more and nothing less. Put a fork in this pie eater because he is done!

great post vince
bob is this true? u were a repo man?

karu · « **Reply #362 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:51:32 PM »

Chick, since you are an international rep,

(In case you forgot IFBB = International Federation of Body Builders )

how is that you are so embarrassingly ignorant of matters outside of the USA?

You claiming ignorance on the entire Paul Chua issue was your excuse for doing nothing while Milos got suspended.

have you told Milos that he was right? or will that hurt your pride too much?

Vince B · « **Reply #363 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:57:38 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 21, 2009, 11:17:44 AM

No, I don't receive any compensation from the IFBB, or the Athletes....

I've been in the business for 30 years, I have a background in law, and have an excellent repor with the judges, officials.

If tyhere was no need for a rep...there wouldn't be one.

I guess this 'repor' is a Freudian slip. Bob has to report to his boss and not the athletes. If a guy did have good rapport with officials and athletes it would serve him well. Or did he learn that word 'repor' from his assistant sheriff days when he repossessed property? Yeah, that is the kind of repor that Bob understands!

Chick · « **Reply #364 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:59:15 PM »

Quote from: karu on April 21, 2009, 04:51:32 PM

Chick, since you are an international rep,

(In case you forgot IFBB = International Federation of Body Builders )

how is that you are so embarrassingly ignorant of matters outside of the USA?

You claiming ignorance on the entire Paul Chua issue was your excuse for doing nothing while Milos got suspended.

In case you forgot...I'm the athletes rep for the IFBB PRO League, not the amateurs

I didn't have to know who Paul Chua was....the only relevant issue to me, was whether or not the suspension of an IFBB pro (who I represent) was in accordance with the rules. As for doing nothing....other than his appeal (which was drawn up and submitted by me) there was nothing further that could have been done.

You really need to educate yourself before making a bigger fool of yourself...you taking tips from Basile?

Chick · « **Reply #365 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:03:37 PM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on April 21, 2009, 04:57:38 PM

I guess this 'repor' is a Freudian slip. Bob has to report to his boss and not the athletes. If a guy did have good rapport with officials and athletes it would serve him well. Or did he learn that word 'repor' from his assistant sheriff days when he repossessed property? Yeah, that is the kind of repor that Bob understands!

LOL.... deputy's don't repo property, that is a civil matter.

Maybe they did back in the 1800's, only you would know...

Now go back to working the desk at your daddy's gym

karu · « **Reply #366 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:07:13 PM »

So you are saying that even if you knew of Paul Chua's corruption you would have simply let Milos get suspended because he accused an IFBB official, and broke a rule?

what a great athlete rep you are..

arbitrarily applied rules vigorously defended.

has manion promised you the keys when he croaks?

Quote from: Chick on April 21, 2009, 04:59:15 PM

In case you forgot...I'm the athletes rep for the IFBB PRO League, not the amateurs

I didn't have to know who Paul Chua was....the only relevant issue to me, was whether or not the suspension of an IFBB pro (who I represent) was in accordance with the rules. As for doing nothing....other than his appeal (which was drawn up and submitted by me) there was nothing further that could have been done.

You really need to educate yourself before making a bigger fool of yourself...you taking tips from Basile?

Chick · « **Reply #367 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:11:16 PM »

Quote from: karu on April 21, 2009, 05:07:13 PM

So you are saying that even if you knew of Paul Chua's corruption you would have simply let Milos get suspended because he accused an IFBB official, and broke a rule?

what a great athlete rep you are..

arbitrarily applied rules vigorously defended.

has manion promised you the keys when he croaks?

Thats the thing....I would have never known of any coruption at the Asian games, or with some guy who runs it I never heard of...hard to believe that some of you have such a hard time processing the fact that I dont represent the amateurs, or know of Paul Chua....hard to "let" something happen when you arent connected in any way, shape or form.

How did you let the Craigslist murder happen? Or 911?

karu · « **Reply #368 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:18:10 PM »

What you "let happen" was Milos getting suspended for pointing out corruption in the IFBB,
one rule is applied while others ignored..

what an awesome athlete rep to sit and watch this travesty.

But you probably have ulterior motives.
Manion has only a select few he'd turn his baby over to.
Securing your name on that list is a little more important than listening to Milos.

Quote from: Chick on April 21, 2009, 05:11:16 PM

Thats the thing....I would have never known of any coruption at the Asian games, or with some guy who runs it I never heard of...hard to believe that some of you have such a hard time processing the fact that I dont represent the amateurs, or know of Paul Chua....hard to "let" something happen when you arent connected in any way, shape or form.

How did you let the Craigslist murder happen? Or 911?

Chick · « **Reply #369 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:21:55 PM »

Quote from: karu on April 21, 2009, 05:18:10 PM

What you "let happen" was Milos getting suspended for pointing out corruption in the IFBB,
one rule is applied while others ignored..

what an awesome athlete rep to sit and watch this travesty.

But you probably have ulterior motives.
Manion has only a select few he'd turn his baby over to.
Securing your name on that list is a little more important than listening to Milos.

What Milos did was take matters into his own hands....had he gone through me, or alerted Jim/ Ben/ Raphael or any other person that could have advised him of the proper way to go about it...he never would have been suspended and this matter might just as well been taken care of much faster and with just cause...

You need to know how the process works before making such statements....it's much like the law and due process. You cant levy charges without proof, plain and simple.

timfogarty · « **Reply #370 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:32:44 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 21, 2009, 04:59:15 PM

In case you forgot...I'm the athletes rep for the IFBB PRO League, not the amateurs

As for doing nothing....other than his appeal (which was drawn up and submitted by me) there was nothing further that could have been done.

While I have no opinion Bob's role as the pro athletic rep, it's his other job that I am always debating him over.

Bob seems to be the official internet spokesman for both the IFBB and the NPC. Now there may be times he's speaking as a private individual, but there are many times where he's clearly speaking for people in those organizations. The problem is that we can't always tell which is which.

Now why the IFBB and NPC would allow Bob to be their de facto spokesman is beyond me. Why don't they use a professional PR person to address these issues before they get out of control across the internet. Getbig might not be the best place for such a person to post, but why not on flexonline?

of course this would require someone to be able to say to Manion or Blinn, Chang, or Santonja, "You know this is going to be a PR nightmare. We need to get in front of this now."

Chick · « **Reply #371 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:32:56 PM »

To answer your question:

Why does any athlete need a representative?

Both Lee and Milos both requested my help in each of their respective cases....You can plainly see by Milos' case, exactly WHY my help could have been instrumental in getting the process started, and handled properly without getting himself in trouble and making it an even longer deal than it should have been...

By acting on his own accord...all he accomplished was possibly alerting Chua and anyone else involved, that there would be inquiries made....all this would do is make someone start covering their ass making it even tougher to get to the truth and exposing any injustice being done.

chaos · « **Reply #372 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:37:16 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 21, 2009, 05:32:56 PM

To answer your question:

Why does any athlete need a representative?

Both Lee and Milos both requested my help in each of their respective cases....You can plainly see by Milos' case, exactly WHY my help could have been instrumental in getting the process started, and handled properly without getting himself in trouble and making it an even longer deal than it should have been...

By acting on his own accord...all he accomplished was possibly alerting Chua and anyone else involved, that there would be inquiries made....all this would do is make someone start covering their ass making it even tougher to get to the truth and exposing any injustice being done.

You walk the line.

timfogarty · « **Reply #373 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:38:09 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 21, 2009, 05:21:55 PM

What Milos did was take matters into his own hands....had he gone through me, or alerted Jim/ Ben/ Raphael or any other person that could have advised him of the proper way to go about it...he never would have been suspended and this matter might just as well been taken care of much faster and with just cause...

Milos wasn't the first to discover this corruption. Many others have complained, and paid the price. It is very likely that only a reputable outsider like Milos making public accusations would make it impossible for the executives in the IFBB to continue to ignore the problem that had been going on for so many years.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #374 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:38:45 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 21, 2009, 05:32:56 PM

To answer your question:

Why does any athlete need a representative?

Both Lee and Milos both requested my help in each of their respective cases....You can plainly see by Milos' case, exactly WHY my help could have been instrumental in getting the process started, and handled properly without getting himself in trouble and making it an even longer deal than it should have been...

By acting on his own accord...all he accomplished was possibly alerting Chua and anyone else involved, that there would be inquiries made....all this would do is make someone start covering their ass making it even tougher to get to the truth and exposing any injustice being done.

sorry but that sounds like bologne, you don't even believe it yourself and are chuckling after posting this ridiculousness