Best IFBB historian - Tim Fogarty or Joe Roark?

[Matt C]

And why doesn't Tim get more magazine coverage for all of his work?  Discuss.

[gordiano]

And why doesn't Tim get more magazine coverage for all of his work?  Discuss.

No kidding? Tim sure seems to know his shit....you'd think one of the mags would scoop him up. 

[timfogarty]

Joe Roark is a full time historian, and has been part of the bodybuilding establishment for 20-30 years.

I'm a statistician with a website.

[gordiano]

Joe Roark is a full time historian, and has been part of the bodybuilding establishment for 20-30 years.

I'm a statistician with a website.

Very modest of you to say that.....but you still know your shit.

[Hedgehog]

And why doesn't Tim get more magazine coverage for all of his work?  Discuss.

Tim knows his shit.

I also like how he seems to have good inside knowledge of the... frivoulous.. side of BB, so the rest of us won't have to get into that.

[wes]

Both guys are great!!

Tim has one of the best sites on the web,and Joe is a great guy who knows his stuff.

[gordiano]

Tim knows his shit.

I also like how he seems to have good inside knowledge of the... frivoulous.. side of BB, so the rest of us won't have to get into that.

Exactly. He pulls no punches. Props to Tim for that.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

And why doesn't Tim get more magazine coverage for all of his work?  Discuss.

Tim doesn't do anything except post results for contest on his website and get prints of magazine covers.  That's it.  Hardly warrants any magazine coverage as any shaved ape can do it. 


Joe Roark is a true historian and has been doing it for over 30 years.

[timfogarty]

hey, this thread is suppose to be about me.

people with power want to hold on to that power, and often make decisions that are not in the best interest of society as a whole. (that's my definition of a conservative)    the ethnicity or religion of those people is immaterial. 

now, whether people in power are using superstition (Rapture being just around the corner now) to further their personal gains is something that can be debated.

[timfogarty]

Matt you're website is now only worth $103 bucks damn ist dropping in value not a good sign ,

and musclememory.com ?

[Bix]

I caught that Joe Roark cone head in a couple of fuck-ups. He blamed one of them on someone at the mag , proof reader or something  
Oh and he never printed a correction either.........ego is too big is admit he'd got it wrong!

[Ron]

Joe Roark is an incredible historian, one that I respect and knows a lot of facts, from being around. Tim's site is very good too, and like him, we garner and learn from the history of speaking from people in the past.

[BroadStreetBruiser]

Ron, thanks for deleting that racist idiot Matt C's posts.

[Matt C]

Ron, thanks for deleting that racist idiot Matt C's posts.

The posts were not intended for illiterate people like yourself.

[BroadStreetBruiser]

The posts were not intended for illiterate people like yourself.

If I was illiterate I wouldn't have been able to tell they were racist you Nazi socialist Canadian

[Matt C]

If I was illiterate I wouldn't have been able to tell they were racist you Nazi socialist capitalist Canadian

Fixed.

Just kidding, but seriously, apparently it's not even possible to have an opinion other than one which is politically correct without being deemed racist.

[TrueGrit]

Ron, thanks for deleting that racist idiot Matt C's posts.

 Ron has done Mattler a huge favor.

[BroadStreetBruiser]

Fixed.

Just kidding, but seriously, apparently it's not even possible to have an opinion other than one which is politically correct without being deemed racist.

Welcome to the real world. Anybody who types that shit you do will be labeled an elitist or a know it all. What are you like 28?

[Matt C]

Welcome to the real world. Anybody who types that shit you do will be labeled an elitist or a know it all. What are you like 28?

No, it gets worse than that - people go to JAIL for typing that.  For exercising freedom of speech and freedom of thought.  And it isn't "the real world", it is powerful interest groups with agendas who only have power if they let them.  WAKE UP.

[BroadStreetBruiser]

No, it gets worse than that - people go to JAIL for typing that.  Freedom of speech and freedom of thought.  And it isn't "the real world", it is powerful interest groups with agendas who only have power if they let them.  WAKE UP.

Get married, have some kids, watch sports. Stop fighting the system you are a part of. Stop worrying about this shit. It's silly. It's too easy.

[Matt C]

Ron has done Mattler a huge favor.

Isn't that up for ME to say?  Ron has made me look like a sheep in line by proxy, and that does not do my character any favours.  Say what you will about me, at least I think for myself and have the courage to speak my mind, regardless of who disagrees with it.

[Matt C]

Get married, have some kids, watch sports. Stop fighting the system you are a part of. Stop worrying about this shit. It's silly. It's too easy.

Yeah, well I guess there doesn't seem to be any fighting it, so I'm tempted to just take up this advice, although it does go against some of my principles.  Having said that, I am in part a utilitarian as well which is why I may be compelled to act a little differently.

[The Master]

Welcome to the real world. Anybody who types that shit you do will be labeled an elitist or a know it all. What are you like 28?

Would you suck a penis for 1 million dollars? (including swallowing the sperm)

[Moosejay]

Joe Roark is a full time historian, and has been part of the bodybuilding establishment for 20-30 years.

I'm a statistician with a website.

do you guys know each other and get along?

[Moosejay]

Tim doesn't do anything except post results for contest on his website and get prints of magazine covers.  That's it.  Hardly warrants any magazine coverage as any shaved ape can do it. 


Joe Roark is a true historian and has been doing it for over 30 years.

Not True. Tim has done a colossal amt of work...Melvin, I am started to see why you are held in so much contempt by so many