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I'm contemplating an attempt at this feat. Being off is not a problem for me...whey year I stop taking anything to give my body a rest, usually eat healthy (bar the sweet tooth attacks)
I'm trying to see if I can permanently come off...even trt is not something I should need at 36, I could consider that in a few years though but a properly monitored trt plan not a getbig self prescribed trt plan at 250mg a week.plus the off tren jab.
My past struggles for jumping back on are usually bumping into a pic of my previous years holiday and seeing I'm way far off that now. Holiday pressures when my mates are jacked up, sexual pressures wheere I need to have sex daily lots of times...etc...but I'd say the main down fall is the image and leaving behind that look.
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I went cold turkey for 6-7 years after juicing for around 8. But i stoppee training to. Went from beefcake to twink and it was no problems for me. No depression or shit
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I'm contemplating an attempt at this feat. Being off is not a problem for me...whey year I stop taking anything to give my body a rest, usually eat healthy (bar the sweet tooth attacks)
I'm trying to see if I can permanently come off...even trt is not something I should need at 36, I could consider that in a few years though but a properly monitored trt plan not a getbig self prescribed trt plan at 250mg a week.plus the off tren jab.
My past struggles for jumping back on are usually bumping into a pic of my previous years holiday and seeing I'm way far off that now. Holiday pressures when my mates are jacked up, sexual pressures wheere I need to have sex daily lots of times...etc...but I'd say the main down fall is the image and leaving behind that look.
I still think a 'clean'relative version of you with 8-10 pct lean and good doesn't have to be great clean diet ,would still be pretty good imo...your tall harder to fully fatten up obvious looking ...
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ive been wondering the same
someone please tell me they were on for 10 years, came off had kids, and still looked decent when they came off.
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Among other reason, this is why I waited until I was 49. Already done with family and T heading down anyway. Probably soon gonna go legit TRT. Already down to 125/week.
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It's not even rally comparable because I only did it once, but after I did a decent cycle, competed, etc. I went off and never went back on. It just wasn't for me... I'm short fused as is so I didn't like the edginess. Also being young, my tendons and joints suffered from not being prepared for the additional strain created by the big strength gains. But I didn't suffer any physical or psych problems after coming off and staying off.
For about 6 months after I was down on lifting and unmotivated, but it passed and I moved on and never looked back. I know I break your balls all the time, but being serious for a minute... If you are not getting paid to compete, it really is pointless to risk your health. Women don't really know the difference between juiced muscle and natural muscle, so it won't hurt you at all in that area. He'll most men don't know the difference either... I always get asked if I juice to this day. People are clueless... But you'll be healthier.
Good luck.
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ive been wondering the same
someone please tell me they were on for 10 years, came off had kids, and still looked decent when they came off.
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Among other reason, this is why I waited until I was 49. Already done with family and T heading down anyway. Probably soon gonna go legit TRT. Already down to 125/week.
Whats the point of only 125 a week? You might as well just take a good pre-workout formula instead.
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Its funny hearing this kind of talk.I was on from 21-28,been off 10 years.Still have 20.5-21" arms,53-54" chest,34-36" waist at 230-240,no creatine,no hrt,no protein shakes,no pre workout,just hard training 3 days a week and a 2k daily diet 5 days a week and 4k 2 days a week.Would never go back on,dont need it.Im bigger than most guys at the gyms i go to,not ripped and bot a freak but big enough that people stare.ive also had two kids since being off and third on the way.i train harder but smarter now.When i came off it was cold turkkey no pct and just kept training hard.
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I'm contemplating an attempt at this feat. Being off is not a problem for me...whey year I stop taking anything to give my body a rest, usually eat healthy (bar the sweet tooth attacks)
I'm trying to see if I can permanently come off...even trt is not something I should need at 36, I could consider that in a few years though but a properly monitored trt plan not a getbig self prescribed trt plan at 250mg a week.plus the off tren jab.
My past struggles for jumping back on are usually bumping into a pic of my previous years holiday and seeing I'm way far off that now. Holiday pressures when my mates are jacked up, sexual pressures wheere I need to have sex daily lots of times...etc...but I'd say the main down fall is the image and leaving behind that look.
the only thing I can say to you-since I am lifetime natural-is that being natty for a 100 effort you'll get a 1 result.
Like GH15 once told me "better play with sand than bodybuilding natty".
But my problem is that regardless of results I just can't stay even only a week without lifting weights, I just love doing it too much.
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Its funny hearing this kind of talk.I was on from 21-28,been off 10 years.Still have 20.5-21" arms,53-54" chest,34-36" waist at 230-240,no creatine,no hrt,no protein shakes,no pre workout,just hard training 3 days a week and a 2k daily diet 5 days a week and 4k 2 days a week.Would never go back on,dont need it.Im bigger than most guys at the gyms i go to,not ripped and bot a freak but big enough that people stare.ive also had two kids since being off and third on the way.i train harder but smarter now.When i came off it was cold turkkey no pct and just kept training hard.
most don't even get close to such stats even on gear. You must have stellar f'in genetics. Say... If you look that good, should post a pic. Forgive me for lackin' confidence, but this is getbig...
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most don't even get close to such stats even on gear. You must have stellar f'in genetics. Say... If you look that good, should post a pic. Forgive me for lackin' confidence, but this is getbig...
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most don't even get close to such stats even on gear. You must have stellar f'in genetics. Say... If you look that good, should post a pic. Forgive me for lackin' confidence, but this is getbig...
Been lifting 24 years straight.But i understAnd the doubts as this is get big.i will get a recent pic up later today.I am not ripped but not fat either.
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most don't even get close to such stats even on gear. You must have stellar f'in genetics. Say... If you look that good, should post a pic. Forgive me for lackin' confidence, but this is getbig...
Most dont train like me either.
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Steroids are addictive. While on you feel confident, aggressive and a feeling of well being. It's like it's an anti depressant. When you go off as the androgens leave your body you start to lose muscle. You start feeling nervous, timid and depressed. If you are taking injectables it takes awhile for them to leave your system. I've been around this game for a long time. Many will give up lifting saying lifting without drugs is a waste of time.
Psychologically it hurts. Let's call a spade a spade. You like the compliments you get on your muscles. The insecure little boy in you likes the affirmation from others that you are a man because of your drug body. You're willing to take a risk toward good health to get that security blanket that temporary steroid muscles provide.
What needs to be done in my bro opinion is to go cold turkey off. In time you will lose muscle and gain fat. You will feel jittery for awhile and feeling low. You will feel self conscience of your fading muscles and loss of cuts. It's tough to train now because instead of increasing poundage, increasing reps and decreasing rest time between sets the opposite is happening when you train. What will happen if you keep up training and doing cardio eventually you will start looking good. No, not like you did on steroids but a real physique that isn't a cosmetic drug fake one. In the months to come you will start to enjoy training clean but it will be a process. Instead of spending money on the syringes, vials and pills you will start to feel great in time. Suddenly looking at pictures of drug bodybuilders doesn't impress you as much as some MMA, wrestlers, boxers, running back, sprinters, Olympic lifters, gymnastic and others. You have a different appreciation for what a good physique is and a drug bodybuilder isn't a good physique.
Don't listen to the fans of these drugs. They use rationalization when they down play the risks and claim every athlete is on them. Reminds me of the smoker who says their grandfather who is 80 smoked since he was 15. Steroids are a risk to health. I think the number one risk is to your heart. Don't listen to the guy who says I gave up drugs with no problems and I look just about as good. You know you are listening to an out right liar or someone who is delusional. The drugs of today you buy on the street are cooked in home labs from materials sourced from China or are outright counterfeits from China/Russia. It's really easy for them to make boxes, inserts and labels to make it look like it came from a legit lab. Who knows what contamination and mislabeled junk you're taking. You might think you are injecting deca and what's in the vial is straight testosterone with contamination of other materials. Too much of straight testosterone can cause an enlarged prostate gland and trouble urinating. Doctors treat an enlarged prostate gland with a pill to cut off your own testosterone. Sounds like a problem doesn't it?
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Fact is you'll never look the way did in the past. The shitty truth is if you spent years and years rocking big muscles, when you come off you have loose skin just like a fatty who lost weight. You'll have smin folds in your elbow area, chest sags. You need to think about why you came off and what's important in your life other than looking big.
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You need to get over the mental aspect and just train as hard when off.obviously you loose some but not all.i know lots of people who come off and just get depressed and lazy and turn into piles of shit.You have to be tougher than that and grind thru it.",you can still make great gains when your mind is in it.
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Life experience..
I have been on more than off for the last 15 years.
I came off fine. No TRT no shit.
Get real brother. What 125 test will do for to your body on your 30-40 age.
I think the net is responsible for that shit and make us believe that we need trtfor young age.
You will look smaller of yourself.
My only advice.. Just go cold turkey no PCT and wait for your natural test to come back. . Every time I used pct I feel like shit.. Keep training .
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I'm contemplating an attempt at this feat. Being off is not a problem for me...whey year I stop taking anything to give my body a rest, usually eat healthy (bar the sweet tooth attacks)
I'm trying to see if I can permanently come off...even trt is not something I should need at 36, I could consider that in a few years though but a properly monitored trt plan not a getbig self prescribed trt plan at 250mg a week.plus the off tren jab.
My past struggles for jumping back on are usually bumping into a pic of my previous years holiday and seeing I'm way far off that now. Holiday pressures when my mates are jacked up, sexual pressures wheere I need to have sex daily lots of times...etc...but I'd say the main down fall is the image and leaving behind that look.
Obviously you are capable of going off and this won't cause you much issues at all other than purely psychological.
I don't recommend going cold turkey, its just an unnecessary harsh crash landing, I went off once completely cold turkey and while everything bounced backed perfect after 2-3 months still it was unnecessary pain to go through.
HCG and Clomid are you friends, especially HCG so use them.
Of course the best option is HGH year round, if you can afford it will give you best of all worlds, great looking physique without having to worry about health complications associated with steroids or "edginess" feel u get with stronz.
Often will reverse aging, good for hair (makes sense in ur case lol) and wrinkles and really good for stressed out people like you cos it will make you sleep like a baby.
Probably why Hollywood actors/actresses use em on the reg.
Just 4IU a day will make lots of positive changes.
If I was you I would go on HGH year round and just cycle stronz for 3 months in the summer.
HGH makes everything perfect when u come off, don't have to worry about losing too much muscle or feeling like total dog shit and still gives you that psychological and physical boost but in a chill way, opposite to stronz
Makes you feel nice warm and fuzzy inside and boosts libido too.
Some of the best sex I had was on HGH
Would solve all your problems. It's peng.
Only bait ting is that its hugely expensive and will cost you loads of peez, looking at min 1k a month for 4iu a day fam
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Steroids are addictive. While on you feel confident, aggressive and a feeling of well being. It's like it's an anti depressant. When you go off as the androgens leave your body you start to lose muscle. You start feeling nervous, timid and depressed. If you are taking injectables it takes awhile for them to leave your system. I've been around this game for a long time. Many will give up lifting saying lifting without drugs is a waste of time.
Psychologically it hurts. Let's call a spade a spade. You like the compliments you get on your muscles. The insecure little boy in you likes the affirmation from others that you are a man because of your drug body. You're willing to take a risk toward good health to get that security blanket that temporary steroid muscles provide.
What needs to be done in my bro opinion is to go cold turkey off. In time you will lose muscle and gain fat. You will feel jittery for awhile and feeling low. You will feel self conscience of your fading muscles and loss of cuts. It's tough to train now because instead of increasing poundage, increasing reps and decreasing rest time between sets the opposite is happening when you train. What will happen if you keep up training and doing cardio eventually you will start looking good. No, not like you did on steroids but a real physique that isn't a cosmetic drug fake one. In the months to come you will start to enjoy training clean but it will be a process. Instead of spending money on the syringes, vials and pills you will start to feel great in time. Suddenly looking at pictures of drug bodybuilders doesn't impress you as much as some MMA, wrestlers, boxers, running back, sprinters, Olympic lifters, gymnastic and others. You have a different appreciation for what a good physique is and a drug bodybuilder isn't a good physique.
Don't listen to the fans of these drugs. They use rationalization when they down play the risks and claim every athlete is on them. Reminds me of the smoker who says their grandfather who is 80 smoked since he was 15. Steroids are a risk to health. I think the number one risk is to your heart. Don't listen to the guy who says I gave up drugs with no problems and I look just about as good. You know you are listening to an out right liar or someone who is delusional. The drugs of today you buy on the street are cooked in home labs from materials sourced from China or are outright counterfeits from China/Russia. It's really easy for them to make boxes, inserts and labels to make it look like it came from a legit lab. Who knows what contamination and mislabeled junk you're taking. You might think you are injecting deca and what's in the vial is straight testosterone with contamination of other materials. Too much of straight testosterone can cause an enlarged prostate gland and trouble urinating. Doctors treat an enlarged prostate gland with a pill to cut off your own testosterone. Sounds like a problem doesn't it?
SOLID! 8) 8)
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Steroids are addictive. While on you feel confident, aggressive and a feeling of well being. It's like it's an anti depressant. When you go off as the androgens leave your body you start to lose muscle. You start feeling nervous, timid and depressed. If you are taking injectables it takes awhile for them to leave your system. I've been around this game for a long time. Many will give up lifting saying lifting without drugs is a waste of time.
Psychologically it hurts. Let's call a spade a spade. You like the compliments you get on your muscles. The insecure little boy in you likes the affirmation from others that you are a man because of your drug body. You're willing to take a risk toward good health to get that security blanket that temporary steroid muscles provide.
What needs to be done in my bro opinion is to go cold turkey off. In time you will lose muscle and gain fat. You will feel jittery for awhile and feeling low. You will feel self conscience of your fading muscles and loss of cuts. It's tough to train now because instead of increasing poundage, increasing reps and decreasing rest time between sets the opposite is happening when you train. What will happen if you keep up training and doing cardio eventually you will start looking good. No, not like you did on steroids but a real physique that isn't a cosmetic drug fake one. In the months to come you will start to enjoy training clean but it will be a process. Instead of spending money on the syringes, vials and pills you will start to feel great in time. Suddenly looking at pictures of drug bodybuilders doesn't impress you as much as some MMA, wrestlers, boxers, running back, sprinters, Olympic lifters, gymnastic and others. You have a different appreciation for what a good physique is and a drug bodybuilder isn't a good physique.
Don't listen to the fans of these drugs. They use rationalization when they down play the risks and claim every athlete is on them. Reminds me of the smoker who says their grandfather who is 80 smoked since he was 15. Steroids are a risk to health. I think the number one risk is to your heart. Don't listen to the guy who says I gave up drugs with no problems and I look just about as good. You know you are listening to an out right liar or someone who is delusional. The drugs of today you buy on the street are cooked in home labs from materials sourced from China or are outright counterfeits from China/Russia. It's really easy for them to make boxes, inserts and labels to make it look like it came from a legit lab. Who knows what contamination and mislabeled junk you're taking. You might think you are injecting deca and what's in the vial is straight testosterone with contamination of other materials. Too much of straight testosterone can cause an enlarged prostate gland and trouble urinating. Doctors treat an enlarged prostate gland with a pill to cut off your own testosterone. Sounds like a problem doesn't it?
you dont miss a chance to get on your high horse do you.
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Fact is you'll never look the way did in the past. The shitty truth is if you spent years and years rocking big muscles, when you come off you have loose skin just like a fatty who lost weight. You'll have smin folds in your elbow area, chest sags. You need to think about why you came off and what's important in your life other than looking big.
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Think that only happens if you got real huge (nothing nobody has to worry about here, lol..) and lost it fast I think. YOu soound like one of those "muscle turns to fat" people now...
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Scorpio, I think you already look pretty damn sexy and you should not change a thing about you.
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Obviously you are capable of going off and this won't cause you much issues at all other than purely psychological.
I don't recommend going cold turkey, its just an unnecessary harsh crash landing, I went off once completely cold turkey and while everything bounced backed perfect after 2-3 months still it was unnecessary pain to go through.
HCG and Clomid are you friends, especially HCG so use them.
Of course the best option is HGH year round, if you can afford it will give you best of all worlds, great looking physique without having to worry about health complications associated with steroids or "edginess" feel u get with stronz.
Often will reverse aging, good for hair (makes sense in ur case lol) and wrinkles and really good for stressed out people like you cos it will make you sleep like a baby.
Probably why Hollywood actors/actresses use em on the reg.
Just 4IU a day will make lots of positive changes.
If I was you I would go on HGH year round and just cycle stronz for 3 months in the summer.
HGH makes everything perfect when u come off, don't have to worry about losing too much muscle or feeling like total dog shit and still gives you that psychological and physical boost but in a chill way, opposite to stronz
Makes you feel nice warm and fuzzy inside and boosts libido too.
Some of the best sex I had was on HGH
Would solve all your problems. It's peng.
Only bait ting is that its hugely expensive and will cost you loads of peez, looking at min 1k a month for 4iu a day fam
HGH brings its own issues like enlarging everything.
It isnt wise to think it is without consequent.
Small doses for brief periods.
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hcg is just wasted money you could have bought more test with. All you have to do is cruise to keep gains. A lot of pussy boy attitudes lately here in regards to getting size and shit.
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HGH brings its own issues like enlarging everything.
It isnt wise to think it is without consequent.
Small doses for brief periods.
"HGH brings its own issues like enlarging everything" wondering why they give this to burn victims, hiv people, children etc if it has many dangers?
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How pathetic to hear that some wont even train when not on cycle
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HGH brings its own issues like enlarging everything.
It isnt wise to think it is without consequent.
Small doses for brief periods.
Bullshit, HGH is safe as houses.
People including actors and actresses been on that shit for years.
It probably extends your life not limits it.
Bear in mind we are not talking crazy ass doses like bodybuilders take.
Something like 4-7IU you will never have a problem with and if u do its not related to HGH.
While on stronz you will have high correlation to prostate or heart problems never seen one incidence of someone dying from HGH.
If anyone has it because they already had some pre-existing problem and would get it anyway.
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Coming off is retarded if you're in legit andropause after 35
why live with poverty schmoe test levels when you can have those of a 19 year old Hebrew future pro athlete?
200mg a week sub Q is perfect for me, no need for AI with 3 x 0.3ml sticks a week = literally no sides
the only PITA is having to fly to LA every 6 months to keep my scrip current, thanks Obama.
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Coming off is retarded if you're in legit andropause after 35
why live with poverty schmoe test levels when you can have those of a 19 year old Hebrew future pro athlete?
200mg a week sub Q is perfect for me, no need for AI with 3 x 0.3ml sticks a week = literally no sides
the only PITA is having to fly to LA every 6 months to keep my scrip current, thanks Obama.
Nah, these guys are too hardcore, gonna train in their shit hormonal environment and state how "manly" they are to do so...
dumb asses.
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Whats the point of only 125 a week? You might as well just take a good pre-workout formula instead.
Not sure if that is true, but I kinda felt like I had plateaued y size/strength gains on what I was getting out of 250/week and just felt like "cruising" on TRT doses (I know it sounds stupid to intimate that I was "blasting" on 250mg/week, but there you go). Over the past year, I probably put on about 10-12 pounds of lean tissue.
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It's amazing how many people I've met at the gym if they haven't showed me photos of when they competed I wouldn't beleive it. They are shells of their former physiques
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Scorpio, I think you already look pretty damn sexy and you should not change a thing about you.
Thanks, my all american stud friend...will have another man-date when I get back to NYC hopefully hit some bars too in east village.
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Thanks, my all american stud friend...will have another man-date when I get back to NYC hopefully hit some bars too in east village.
ha, no doubt!! Maybe get other getbiggers to come down! :)
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Some good replies here.
Right now I have that calmness feeling post cycle, BP is lower and sex drive is normal but body looks exactly the same...as it takes time to start goiong down hill. My girl friend can make eye contact with me and have a normal and civilised conversation with me without having to worry about a sudden penile insertion in one of her orifices.
I have ordered some HCG...will try and give my nuts some help, will put an effort into eating well and will hit the gym 4 times a week, in London I have the option to train in fancy pansy gyms where the women are less efeminate than the men....as training in a roided up gym makes you nostalgic from previous experience.
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Coming off is retarded if you're in legit andropause after 35
why live with poverty schmoe test levels when you can have those of a 19 year old Hebrew future pro athlete?
200mg a week sub Q is perfect for me, no need for AI with 3 x 0.3ml sticks a week = literally no sides
the only PITA is having to fly to LA every 6 months to keep my scrip current, thanks Obama.
You find subq gives less estrogenic activity then IM even if both are shot with same frequency?
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Its funny hearing this kind of talk.I was on from 21-28,been off 10 years.Still have 20.5-21" arms,53-54" chest,34-36" waist at 230-240,no creatine,no hrt,no protein shakes,no pre workout,just hard training 3 days a week and a 2k daily diet 5 days a week and 4k 2 days a week.Would never go back on,dont need it.Im bigger than most guys at the gyms i go to,not ripped and bot a freak but big enough that people stare.ive also had two kids since being off and third on the way.i train harder but smarter now.When i came off it was cold turkkey no pct and just kept training hard.
yep, same. in fact after about a year of being off, i made some small gains.
really didnt lose any muscle overall. i think those that do just stop training. unless u were puffed up on GH and loads of gear, you shouldnt disintegrate.
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if you guys made gains post cycle it means you were nowhere near your genetic potential. What does that mean? NOt as hardcore as you thought you were.
Stop with the bullshit and prove by some pics or STFU already.
If you say shit that goes terribly against the grain, better have some proof to back it up other than your word which I just have a hard time taking as is.
Peace.
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Steroids are addictive. While on you feel confident, aggressive and a feeling of well being. It's like it's an anti depressant. When you go off as the androgens leave your body you start to lose muscle. You start feeling nervous, timid and depressed. If you are taking injectables it takes awhile for them to leave your system. I've been around this game for a long time. Many will give up lifting saying lifting without drugs is a waste of time.
Psychologically it hurts. Let's call a spade a spade. You like the compliments you get on your muscles. The insecure little boy in you likes the affirmation from others that you are a man because of your drug body. You're willing to take a risk toward good health to get that security blanket that temporary steroid muscles provide.
What needs to be done in my bro opinion is to go cold turkey off. In time you will lose muscle and gain fat. You will feel jittery for awhile and feeling low. You will feel self conscience of your fading muscles and loss of cuts. It's tough to train now because instead of increasing poundage, increasing reps and decreasing rest time between sets the opposite is happening when you train. What will happen if you keep up training and doing cardio eventually you will start looking good. No, not like you did on steroids but a real physique that isn't a cosmetic drug fake one. In the months to come you will start to enjoy training clean but it will be a process. Instead of spending money on the syringes, vials and pills you will start to feel great in time. Suddenly looking at pictures of drug bodybuilders doesn't impress you as much as some MMA, wrestlers, boxers, running back, sprinters, Olympic lifters, gymnastic and others. You have a different appreciation for what a good physique is and a drug bodybuilder isn't a good physique.
Don't listen to the fans of these drugs. They use rationalization when they down play the risks and claim every athlete is on them. Reminds me of the smoker who says their grandfather who is 80 smoked since he was 15. Steroids are a risk to health. I think the number one risk is to your heart. Don't listen to the guy who says I gave up drugs with no problems and I look just about as good. You know you are listening to an out right liar or someone who is delusional. The drugs of today you buy on the street are cooked in home labs from materials sourced from China or are outright counterfeits from China/Russia. It's really easy for them to make boxes, inserts and labels to make it look like it came from a legit lab. Who knows what contamination and mislabeled junk you're taking. You might think you are injecting deca and what's in the vial is straight testosterone with contamination of other materials. Too much of straight testosterone can cause an enlarged prostate gland and trouble urinating. Doctors treat an enlarged prostate gland with a pill to cut off your own testosterone. Sounds like a problem doesn't it?
Great post. I'm probably better off, at least psychologically, having never indulged in AAS.
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"HGH brings its own issues like enlarging everything" wondering why they give this to burn victims, hiv people, children etc if it has many dangers?
they give it to burn vics & aids people because they are already fucked & the risks are worth it for these populations. giving it to short kids to increase height is very controversial & not commonly accepted practice in us. a lot of meds are given with the understanding that they have potentially serious side effects. the hope is that the cure is greater
not saying hgh long term is bad. I don't know. but your argument is weak
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Great post. I'm probably better off, at least psychologically, having never indulged in AAS.
good thing for guys like Arnold, stallone, the rock, etc., that they never took that approach. otherwise they wouldn't be rich and famous now. like a lot of pro athletes too
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Not sure if that is true, but I kinda felt like I had plateaued y size/strength gains on what I was getting out of 250/week and just felt like "cruising" on TRT doses (I know it sounds stupid to intimate that I was "blasting" on 250mg/week, but there you go). Over the past year, I probably put on about 10-12 pounds of lean tissue.
LMFAO..... ;D ;D
I told you that whole "low dose is the way to go" Gal theory was load of bullshit.
U should be upping the dose mofo not doing down to 125mg.
Your stalling cos your body has adapted to 250mg.
If you want progress you need to go up not down ::)
Until you reach point of diminishing returns.
Magic happens around 750mg + mark.
Anything below is jokes....talking about test here, obviously not tren etc
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Some good replies here.
Right now I have that calmness feeling post cycle, BP is lower and sex drive is normal but body looks exactly the same...as it takes time to start goiong down hill. My girl friend can make eye contact with me and have a normal and civilised conversation with me without having to worry about a sudden penile insertion in one of her orifices.
I have ordered some HCG...will try and give my nuts some help, will put an effort into eating well and will hit the gym 4 times a week, in London I have the option to train in fancy pansy gyms where the women are less efeminate than the men....as training in a roided up gym makes you nostalgic from previous experience.
Hope not from underground steroid labs when you can get it in pharmacy here for like peanuts.
I had fridge full. ::)
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Hope not from underground steroid labs when you can get it in pharmacy here for like peanuts.
I had fridge full. ::)
I need a presc....and they usually give it to pre-IVF women. I'd struggle pulling the look of a desperate broody middle aged woman.
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LMFAO..... ;D ;D
I told you that whole "low dose is the way to go" Gal theory was load of bullshit.
U should be upping the dose mofo not doing down to 125mg.
Your stalling cos your body has adapted to 250mg.
If you want progress you need to go up not down ::)
Until you reach point of diminishing returns.
Magic happens around 750mg + mark.
Anything below is jokes....talking about test here, obviously not tren etc
What's actually funny is that I would consider any advice from a bloated clownish twink with poor impulse control.
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Bullshit, HGH is safe as houses.
People including actors and actresses been on that shit for years.
It probably extends your life not limits it.
Bear in mind we are not talking crazy ass doses like bodybuilders take.
Something like 4-7IU you will never have a problem with and if u do its not related to HGH.
While on stronz you will have high correlation to prostate or heart problems never seen one incidence of someone dying from HGH.
If anyone has it because they already had some pre-existing problem and would get it anyway.
you sir are an idiot.
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What's actually funny is that I would consider any advice from a bloated clownish twink with poor impulse control.
Joon is certainly entertaining at times, but I don't think I'd take a lot of life advice from him. :D
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I need a presc....and they usually give it to pre-IVF women. I'd struggle pulling the look of a desperate broody middle aged woman.
::) ding ding...ding a ling...lol ;)
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Joon is certainly entertaining at times
Imagine if he started his own forum, he could entertain the masses for hours on end!
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Its really pathetic that men that are not competing or making money from juicing there ass off think that you cant do anything off juice.I have done 3 grams of test a week many years ago and now im on nothing and test levels are around 270,i train hard as fuck and i am big,not bodybuilder ripped big but big.at every gym i go to everyone comments on my arm size and that is with no juice,low test levels,50-75 grams of protein a day and low calories in late 30s.people ask if i take test and i laugh.They then say its impossible to get big and strong past 30 natural and i laugh again.The mind is very powerful and if you want it bad enough you will get it.i have nothing against those who juice as i did for years but to think nothing is possible without it is crazy.I have a friend who is 54 and is 5'11 225 with visible abs and he is natural and noone believes him.people are different and are capable of different things.
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Joon is certainly entertaining at times, but I don't think I'd take a lot of life advice from him. :D
I actually like junior.
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Its really pathetic that men that are not competing or making money from juicing there ass off think that you cant do anything off juice.I have done 3 grams of test a week many years ago and now im on nothing and test levels are around 270,i train hard as fuck and i am big,not bodybuilder ripped big but big.at every gym i go to everyone comments on my arm size and that is with no juice,low test levels,50-75 grams of protein a day and low calories in late 30s.people ask if i take test and i laugh.They then say its impossible to get big and strong past 30 natural and i laugh again.The mind is very powerful and if you want it bad enough you will get it.
Depends on genetics, some folks are skinny as fuck and won't put on much muscle no matter how hard they work out (without drugs). I put on muscle pretty easy, but I also get fat pretty damn easy too.
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you sir are an idiot.
Clearly. ;D
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I actually like junior.
I like the guy too, pretty fun watching the shit he posts online.
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Clearly. ;D
you cant say gh is safe for everyone,there is no such thing as average or the norm.Everyone is different and it could harm them just like juice.
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I need a presc....and they usually give it to pre-IVF women. I'd struggle pulling the look of a desperate broody middle aged woman.
That's right in my wheelhouse.
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Bullshit, HGH is safe as houses.
People including actors and actresses been on that shit for years.
It probably extends your life not limits it.
Bear in mind we are not talking crazy ass doses like bodybuilders take.
Something like 4-7IU you will never have a problem with and if u do its not related to HGH.
While on stronz you will have high correlation to prostate or heart problems never seen one incidence of someone dying from HGH.
If anyone has it because they already had some pre-existing problem and would get it anyway.
No its not bullshit.
Would it be safe for people with benign tumours or cancer conditions.
And the type of doses for muscle gain is in the superphysiological relms anyway.
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you cant say gh is safe for everyone,there is no such thing as average or the norm.Everyone is different and it could harm them just like juice.
Nothing is "safe" for everyone, even walking across the street.
C'mon dude lets get real.
The only time someone should not take GH is if they ALREADY have cancer.
Not a single other negative other than possibility of diabetes in certain people already disposed to it genetically.
Nearly all actors and actresses in Hollywood wouldn't be on it if it was dangerous like steroids
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Nothing is "safe" for everyone, even walking across the street.
C'mon dude lets get real.
The only time someone should not take GH is if they ALREADY have cancer.
Not a single other negative other than possibility of diabetes in certain people already disposed to it genetically.
Nearly all actors and actresses in Hollywood wouldn't be on it if it was dangerous like steroids
Most of them can afford to be monitored every month.
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Most of them can afford to be monitored every month.
Not sure how it works in your country but you can get free blood test here in UK done on the NHS.
I don't think the cost of "monitoring" is the issue.
Doing bloods twice a year is not a big thing.
Its the actual cost of GH itself that is prohibitive.
Just bear in mind most regular folk are taking like 2-4IU a day.
There is literally absolutely nothing dangerous about that my friend.
We are not talking about abuse here like taking 30IU's a day like pro bodybuilders do.
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Not sure how it works in your country but you can get free blood test here in UK done on the NHS.
I don't think the cost of "monitoring" is the issue.
Doing bloods twice a year is not a big thing.
Its the actual cost of GH itself that is prohibitive.
Just bear in mind most regular folk are taking like 2-4IU a day.
There is literally absolutely nothing dangerous about that my friend.
We are not talking about abuse here like taking 30IU's a day like pro bodybuilders do.
From the same place you are my friend.
2iu will do naff all for hypertrophy. I would hazard to guess and from personal experience neither would 4iu.
Nice thermogetic effect, improved skin and maybe alleviation of aches and pains.
My experience is with mainly pharma grade too.
GH coupled with AAS is where the explosion occurs and you need enough of both.
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From the same place you are my friend.
2iu will do naff all for hypertrophy. I would hazard to guess and from personal experience neither would 4iu.
Nice thermogetic effect, improved skin and maybe alleviation of aches and pains.
My experience is with mainly pharma grade too.
GH coupled with AAS is where the explosion occurs and you need enough of both.
I pretty much agree with you.
I only take Pharma GH (Genotropin)...easily and legally available in UK with script.
I have taken it on its own and with steroids.
Obviously taking it with steroids is worlds apart from taking it on its own.
However taking GH on its own in between cycles as a bridge to hold on to muscle tissue is effective to certain extent too.
GH
2-4 IU will be great for skin, sleep, hair growth.
8IU + Good for holding on muscle and whatever growth you get from it stays and is not just water bloat etc
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From the same place you are my friend.
2iu will do naff all for hypertrophy. I would hazard to guess and from personal experience neither would 4iu.
Nice thermogetic effect, improved skin and maybe alleviation of aches and pains.
My experience is with mainly pharma grade too.
GH coupled with AAS is where the explosion occurs and you need enough of both.
What I am trying to say is you can look like a decent fake natty for decent amount of time when coming off steroid cycle on GH instead of shriveling into dog shit.
You will be much lighter but still its loads better than being natty and u will have that thin skin muscle pop look.
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Nothing is "safe" for everyone, even walking across the street.
C'mon dude lets get real.
The only time someone should not take GH is if they ALREADY have cancer.
Not a single other negative other than possibility of diabetes in certain people already disposed to it genetically.
Nearly all actors and actresses in Hollywood wouldn't be on it if it was dangerous like steroids
You really think actors wouldnt take it if it wasnt safe?come on now.
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Juiced on and off for best part of a decade in the 90s, nothing heavy and as much off as on. Then used some TRT last ten years again, on and off. At first the 250mgs every ten days, but genuine is around 125mgs every ten days.
Stopped these last few years as I believe ageing and hormone reduction and the consequential shrinking is all part of the bodies life preservation. You will live longer lighter, coming off the 250mgs was noticeable and took the body a few months to counter even longer, the lower 125mgs is way easier, in saying that you don't feel much when on either, but genuine replacement is that low, timing of blood tests can easily push you to use higher levels with the doc, but your kidding yourselves only. I dont suffer from body anxiety, being skinny fat as I call it is okay, I was used to it in between shows in my competitive days, loved cleaning out as much as watching the change when going back on. Hoping my educated use as opposed to everyone elses abuse will hold me in better shape, when I have to pay for my juice sins, sucks being beaten by guys with lesser genetics who just abuse gear more and for longer but thats this sport, in saying that I wouldn't wish sickness upon them
Best thing to do when coming off is find a distraction get caught up in work or set a different goal to focus on away from the gym, it could be working a second job to save some money or start swimming or running, but distract yourself from the gym and the drop off of your performance.
And only train 3 days per week, with cardio on the other days.
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If you've done any substantial amounts you'll never recover completely.
I've thought about what I would do if I wanted to come off steroids permanently for whatever reason. I would probably do some real low doses of SERMs, AI's and HCG, then verify with
blood work if it's working. Maybe tiny doses of HCG like 200iu once or twice a week. Maybe 5mg (five) of tamox a day and one tablet of letro a week or less and then going on complete drug holidays for a few weeks here and there. Waiting 2 years to see if you'll recover just a tiny bit - who has time for that? Sure you'll still be on drugs so maybe just doing straight test is healthier and less of a hassle. Just a throught experiment on my part. But it would be interesting to see if I could get high-normal levels of endogenous test with this type of protocol after years of various doses of juice.
I would do a heavier PCT regimen immediately after coming off the juice and then settle into this sort of lighter therapy.
Joon commenting like an expert is a joke. It wasn't long ago he did his first shot for fucks sake. and he can't even handle the low doses he's on and then says less than 750mg a week is a waste. ::)
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Steroids are addictive. While on you feel confident, aggressive and a feeling of well being. It's like it's an anti depressant. When you go off as the androgens leave your body you start to lose muscle. You start feeling nervous, timid and depressed. If you are taking injectables it takes awhile for them to leave your system. I've been around this game for a long time. Many will give up lifting saying lifting without drugs is a waste of time.
Psychologically it hurts. Let's call a spade a spade. You like the compliments you get on your muscles. The insecure little boy in you likes the affirmation from others that you are a man because of your drug body. You're willing to take a risk toward good health to get that security blanket that temporary steroid muscles provide.
What needs to be done in my bro opinion is to go cold turkey off. In time you will lose muscle and gain fat. You will feel jittery for awhile and feeling low. You will feel self conscience of your fading muscles and loss of cuts. It's tough to train now because instead of increasing poundage, increasing reps and decreasing rest time between sets the opposite is happening when you train. What will happen if you keep up training and doing cardio eventually you will start looking good. No, not like you did on steroids but a real physique that isn't a cosmetic drug fake one. In the months to come you will start to enjoy training clean but it will be a process. Instead of spending money on the syringes, vials and pills you will start to feel great in time. Suddenly looking at pictures of drug bodybuilders doesn't impress you as much as some MMA, wrestlers, boxers, running back, sprinters, Olympic lifters, gymnastic and others. You have a different appreciation for what a good physique is and a drug bodybuilder isn't a good physique.
Don't listen to the fans of these drugs. They use rationalization when they down play the risks and claim every athlete is on them. Reminds me of the smoker who says their grandfather who is 80 smoked since he was 15. Steroids are a risk to health. I think the number one risk is to your heart. Don't listen to the guy who says I gave up drugs with no problems and I look just about as good. You know you are listening to an out right liar or someone who is delusional. The drugs of today you buy on the street are cooked in home labs from materials sourced from China or are outright counterfeits from China/Russia. It's really easy for them to make boxes, inserts and labels to make it look like it came from a legit lab. Who knows what contamination and mislabeled junk you're taking. You might think you are injecting deca and what's in the vial is straight testosterone with contamination of other materials. Too much of straight testosterone can cause an enlarged prostate gland and trouble urinating. Doctors treat an enlarged prostate gland with a pill to cut off your own testosterone. Sounds like a problem doesn't it?
Miserable old basterd. Some juice head impregnate your wife?
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I pretty much agree with you.
I only take Pharma GH (Genotropin)...easily and legally available in UK with script.
I have taken it on its own and with steroids.
Obviously taking it with steroids is worlds apart from taking it on its own.
However taking GH on its own in between cycles as a bridge to hold on to muscle tissue is effective to certain extent too.
GH
2-4 IU will be great for skin, sleep, hair growth.
8IU + Good for holding on muscle and whatever growth you get from it stays and is not just water bloat etc
Interesting you can get Genotropin and Oxandrolone on prescription in the UK
My understanding was oxandrolone was only made and licensed (and used) in the US and is not in the British Dispensary. Never seen or heard anything relating to oxandrolone being available as a prescription drug in the UK.
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Bullshit, HGH is safe as houses.
People including actors and actresses been on that shit for years.
It probably extends your life not limits it.
Bear in mind we are not talking crazy ass doses like bodybuilders take.
Something like 4-7IU you will never have a problem with and if u do its not related to HGH.
While on stronz you will have high correlation to prostate or heart problems never seen one incidence of someone dying from HGH.
If anyone has it because they already had some pre-existing problem and would get it anyway.
I'd take real HGH if I could get my hands on it.
It has some anti-aging effect on certain tissues, mainly collagen rich structures like skin, tendons, nails. So mainly a cosmetic effect, but overall the weight of science leans in favour of it aging you faster.
Fundamentally HGH rapidly converts to IGF-1, IGF-1 is directly linked to increase cell turnover and aging. The higher the IGF-1 the faster a cell divides and replicates. The faster it replicates the divides the faster it ages. (pretty much all cells have a finite number of divisions after which they die)
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The only time someone should not take GH is if they ALREADY have cancer.
Problem is there are millions of cells that are constantly pre-cancerous, or cancerous in a health person all the time. The body cleans them up by killing them off via apoptosis. "Potentially" GH would accelerate the growth of cancerous cells faster than the body can clean then up leading to the development of the tumour.
Of course there are other things you can take and do to reduce and minimse that risk of happening. Obviously training, diet and supplements being three of them. Sugar also increase IGF-1 so a fat cu#t can also help promote his chances of developing cancer. GH is probably a preferable option to truck loads of sugar :-)
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you cannot get anavar with prescription in the UK
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you cannot get anavar with prescription in the UK
Wait, you mean Joon was full of shit? Oh, the huge manatee!
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you cannot get anavar with prescription in the UK
Correct.
Its not in the BNF.
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A previous post said he got oxandrolone with a script in the UK.
Didnt think you could get it in the UK, also the fact he used the term script, which nobody in the UK uses either.
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Joon also said his doctor was an expert in "steroidology". ::) :D
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joon nose his stuff
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I came off a few years ago after a 3-4 year stint of being mostly on. Started to rely on test boosters different kinds of creams and pills mostly snake oil. I ended up heavier then I was on cycle with about 3-5 percent more bf. I just got really thick. I felt good but I wasn't 100 percent natural with all the supplements.
Strength was slightly effected not much. I didn't feel superhuman anymore though.
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was there a depression for a while before your levels came up Spiro?
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was there a depression for a while before your levels came up Spiro?
Ya there was nothing unbearable though. I've been through opiate withdraw before so I know what real depression anxiety and emotional pain feels like. This wasn't near as bad. I did feel self conscious at times but I've always been a pretty good looking guy and that doesn't change.
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Ya there was nothing unbearable though. I've been through opiate withdraw before so I know what real depression anxiety and emotional pain feels like. This wasn't near as bad. I did feel self conscious at times but I've always been a pretty good looking guy and that doesn't change.
haha :D
Great line. Truthfully though, when we come off we have to find confidence in other areas and draw anything positive we can.
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haha :D
Great line. Truthfully though, when we come off we have to find confidence in other areas and draw anything positive we can.
Just lean out and stay that way.
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haha :D
Great line. Truthfully though, when we come off we have to find confidence in other areas and draw anything positive we can.
I started dressing real nice again. Handsome face and nice clothes means a lot. I use to get laid a lot before being jacked.
Another thing that helped was finding another hobby. I started camping again and doing outdoor stuff shooting fishing etc. Only thing I care about when I'm on is the gym and reading fucking steroid forums it's boring lol.
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Just lean out and stay that way.
That's the plan...been trying well lately, cardio post weights but not a lot, like 15 minutes cardio or so as I know excessive cardio and recovery don't go well together.
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Whats the point of only 125 a week? You might as well just take a good pre-workout formula instead.
stick to what you know shizz, which in this case is nothing..
125 nmgs a week will elevate your T levels markedly
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I used on/off for 7 years. I don't believe steroids are the least bit "anabolic". Their very good at endogenous hormone production suppression. Creatine & Arginine are all I use.
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I used on/off for 7 years. I don't believe steroids are the least bit "anabolic". Their very good at endogenous hormone production suppression. Creatine & Arginine are all I use.
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Fuck off with your arginine bullshit troll.
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I used on/off for 7 years. I don't believe steroids are the least bit "anabolic". Their very good at endogenous hormone production suppression. Creatine & Arginine are all I use.
LOL. If there's one thing that is undeniable, it's that gear works. God damn it works really well.
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Among other reason, this is why I waited until I was 49. Already done with family and T heading down anyway. Probably soon gonna go legit TRT. Already down to 125/week.
I never juiced, but turning 49 soon, so I went and got a blood-test done for testosterone.
I'll get the results when I go back in June... TRT is something I would now do since I dont want to get old gracefully.
My buddy's on it at 54, and looks and feels the best he has in many years... Test is good...
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I'm natural at the moment but will probably hop on TRT once I turn around 40. Seems to be a logical choice given all the advantages of having high T levels.
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At first Sk0rpio talks all like:
.. but then sk0rpio talks all like:
steroids just the finishing touch ::) ;D
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Because DRake is just so street.... ::)
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Because DRake is just so street.... ::)
No, thats not my point. The way skorpio always sounds is like those swagger hip hop songs, now he sounds like coldplay 2007 :D
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No, thats not my point. The way skorpio always sounds is like those swagger hip hop songs, now he sounds like coldplay 2007 :D
what's wrong with coldplay?
;D
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what's wrong with coldplay?
;D
I did not say there's anything wrong with coldplay, neither. You assume a lot of things, do you live By your imagination :D?
I was just giving an impression how skorpios way of talking has changed. Gawd, explaining a joke this small kills me a little from the inside. I wasn't unclear anywhere. just... GO with it, jesus !
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I did not say there's anything wrong with coldplay, neither. You assume a lot of things, do you live By your imagination :D?
I was just giving an impression how skorpios way of talking has changed. Gawd, explaining a joke this small kills me a little from the inside. I wasn't unclear anywhere.
was joking about cold play man.
ok, sarcasm failed...
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was joking about cold play man.
ok, sarcasm failed...
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LOL! You seriously don't believe me? OK...
Note taken you can't detect sarcasm,no big deal.
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LOL! You seriously don't believe me? OK...
Note taken you can't detect sarcasm,no big deal.
god DAMN man! >:(:'(
forget everything I said.. forget it. it's done.
I'm just gonna wait for skorpio to tell me that I'm cool for posting such a cool post *sigh*
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AAS is old juice, easily detectable >:(
Today is 2015.
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AAS is old juice, easily detectable >:(
Today is 2015.
;)
Nothing works as well as steroids. No other class of PEDs comes even close.
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Nothing works as well as steroids. No other class of PEDs comes even close.
In the short term yes, long term GH effects outweigh steronz
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In the short term yes, long term GH effects outweigh steronz
The problem is there are many unknowns in terms of health with longm term GH use
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The problem is there are many unknowns in terms of health with longm term GH use
True, I think its mostly dose dependent.
The cool thing with GH is whatever gains you make from it you keep once you come off everything less water bloat
The issue is to make good gains you need serious doses which will make your internal organs grow as well.
Catch 22.
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Bullshit you keep gains when off GH. Why do all pro's lose their size so fast? This fairy tail needs to be put to an end as it is some of the most delusional thinking ever. They say this to justify their crazy gh bill and help pay their own.
All this shit is temporary, anybody who says otherwise is simply lying to themselves.
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In the short term yes, long term GH effects outweigh steronz
No, from a performance standpoint GH does practically nothing by itself. So even if you "keep" most of GH gains they're practically nothing in the first place. But like even Duchaine pointed out decades ago, whatever "gains" you get from GH are rapidly lost within weeks of getting off ( there's research). Hey, look at acromegalics, the gh only makes them weak and diabetic, certainly not strong and muscular. Then there is the acute loss of endurance from a GH shot (there's a Danish study).
I know a girl who did months and months of pharma GH and noticed absolutely zero.
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No, from a performance standpoint GH does practically nothing by itself. So even if you "keep" most of GH gains they're practically nothing in the first place. But like even Duchaine pointed out decades ago, whatever "gains" you get from GH are rapidly lost within weeks of getting off ( there's research). Hey, look at acromegalics, the gh only makes them weak and diabetic, certainly not strong and muscular. Then there is the acute loss of endurance from a GH shot (there's a Danish study).
I know a girl who did months and months of pharma GH and noticed absolutely zero.
I know a girl in my family who uses pharma GH and doesnt get much of anything out of 1-1.5 iu per day. Shes been on for 8 months or so
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I know a girl in my family who uses pharma GH and doesnt get much of anything out of 1-1.5 iu per day. Shes been on for 8 months or so
Yup, it doesn't do much of anything by itself. Steroids are a million times more effective.
A pro recently told me that GH is by his estimation responsible for maybe 7-15% of his physique, rest is steroids.
And this is with steroids, without steroids it doesn't do much at all.
A 10% is a lot to a pro of course after you've peaked with the steroids.
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No, from a performance standpoint GH does practically nothing by itself. So even if you "keep" most of GH gains they're practically nothing in the first place. But like even Duchaine pointed out decades ago, whatever "gains" you get from GH are rapidly lost within weeks of getting off ( there's research). Hey, look at acromegalics, the gh only makes them weak and diabetic, certainly not strong and muscular. Then there is the acute loss of endurance from a GH shot (there's a Danish study).
I know a girl who did months and months of pharma GH and noticed absolutely zero.
I don't think I made it quite clear what I mean.
I agree GH doesn't do much by itself at low doses other than have anti aging effects.
Definitely it improves skin, hair and sleep etc.
At far higher doses 15iu plus you will get gains which you will keep but lets faces it most guys can't afford to do that, especially pharm and it can get risky with diabetes and other problems etc.
You need big doses for gains on GH on its own and most guys aren't prepared to take dem kinda doses.
When combined with steronz it is potent stack and the synergy works well.
GH doesn't do much for performance enhancement but it does god awful lot for recovery which is probably more important than anything else.
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Nothing works as well as steroids. No other class of PEDs comes even close.
BS ,that's old ideology ;)
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BS ,that's old ideology ;)
You know jack shit about drug use. But please, tell us about these new powerful drugs. ::)
You wont because you're wrong.
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You know jack shit about drug use. But please, tell us about these new powerful drugs. ::)
You wont because you're wrong.
x 2
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nothing works as well as good old roids
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nothing works as well as good old roids
As a guy that spent 30 years jamming every fucking supplement down my own throat to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars, it's shocking how well steroids -- even in my "baby doses" -- work. My cost for my current "stack" is about $2-$3 a week. That's it. Everything else is just training consistency, decent food and rest.
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GH ages you faster, simple as that. Anybody who says otherwise doesnt know what they are talking about.
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nothing works as well as good old roids
ah , Irish ............ ::) & U will win Olympic gold in 2016 on that old staff ;D
& no detection , right 8)