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« Reply #175 on: January 08, 2016, 07:28:25 AM »
How many guys brag about how healthy they are by showing their abs?  ::) I knew two guys who dropped dead while exercising. One was playing racquetball and the other just got done running on the treadmill. The racquetball guy just got a clean bill of health that week at the Dr's. He must have not been feeling too well. Dropped dead of a massive heart attack right in front of me while playing.

Remember that you are only as healthy as your insides. One small blockage in an artery and you could die instantly.  

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« Reply #176 on: January 08, 2016, 07:29:06 AM »
Pellius,

There is absolutely no evidence that capitalism promotes moral behaviour. You are simply making a leap from someone being polite when they serve you, calling this moral behaviour, and asserting that it is a by-product of capitalism. Surely you can see that this logic is flawed.

In fact, what you are really espousing are: the virtues of customer service, and your belief that this can provide a competitive advantage in a capitalist system. With this, I would agree. But this has absolutely nothing to do with morals.

I just gave you an abundance of evidence. Any system the promotes good,  polite and civil behavior and promotes this behavior regardless of how you personally feel I consider a moral system. You don't understand this partly because you are from Europe where your values are based on secularism, pacifism and socialism. Any mention of morals or standards based on principles of right and wrong is almost abhorrent to you.

You don't like the idea that someone gets something out of good behavior. That this diminishes it. They should act good simply because they are just good. It doesn't matter if they are rewarded or punished for it.

And there in lies the problem. You're a liberal and you live in fantasy land. That man is born basically good and it is society that corrupts him. You, my naive friend, have much more faith in human nature than I do.

If you have kids you teach and promote certain behavior and if they don't follow it you punish them. You created an environment based on reward and punishment that promotes moral behavior regardless of how they feel about it or if their good behavior is "genuine". In a religion you follow a certain code of behavior or you go to hell. At McDonald's you better be polite and provide good service or you get fired.

What you don't understand is that behavior influences the heart. As you  behave so will you become. Behave good, and just by performing acts of goodness transforms you into a good person. It works the other way as well.

When I was a kid I shoplifted a candy bar. I was scared and nervous as hell. I was sweating and shaking lie a leaf. Now, if I continued to steal it would have gotten easier and easier. Eventually it would have been just another day at the office. By behaving like a thief I would have literally transformed myself into a thief.

You think anybody starts out as a serial killer? Just randomly killing and mutilating their bodies? You think when someone does this that this is their very first act of cruelty? Of course not, they develop into a monster by a lifetime of behaving like a monster. They start out killing and torturing bugs, lizard, frogs. Then of course cats. They always kill and torture cats. They work their way up. They work their way up to humans.

For me, I always say thank you when someone gives me a gift. It's not because I was born with gratitude and expressing thanks. It was taught to me. Drilled into me. "What do say, Pellius?" Was the constant refrain growing up. Eventually, it became part of my nature. It would now feel wrong not to say thank you.

A system that promotes moral behavior, and I consider civility and courtesy moral behavior, is, well, a moral system.

In this age of malignant narcissism -- such a profound level of self-absorption -- is what makes these ideas so foreign and incomprehensible to you. That's why even though it sucks getting old, I am so, so grateful that I grew in my generation before the pathologies of the cultural revolution in the late sixties took hold (around the 1990s when those hippies started teaching at universities and holding political office). When I compare people now to how they were just 30-40 years ago it's truly a tragedy.

You will learn far more about life working at McDonald's than you will at the majority of Universities today.
 

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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #177 on: January 08, 2016, 07:39:53 AM »
There's a lot of lost causes in this thread unfortunately, Pellius. Just let them continue eating their chicken and oatmeal, etc. and one day thinking carbs are bad and the next fat. Blown about by whatever wind (trend) comes their way.
More "fake/radioactively enhanced meat" for us to enjoy.

Just for the sake of clarity, I am no way endorsing McDoubles as quality fare. It would not be my first choice if I was being executed and given a last meal. It's just that where I live there seems to be more McDonald's than other drive ins and they are super fast and the workers are polite and hustle to get your order out. They have these double drive through lanes so even when it's crowded, and it always is, things move fast.

Of course I'd rather have a Fat Burger or a Five Guys but I'm not looking for a dining experience. I looking for something fast, cheap and convenient. And no one does it better than McDonalds. And now they made it even cheaper. If someone thinks it's gross then it's no skin off my nose. I'm not a picky eater. Stewed gizzards, tripe, pigs feet, ox tongue and liver were standard fare when I was growing up. If it's food, I can eat it.
What I don't get is guys like Mr "1derful" that goes on this hysterical crusade having to just make things up, literally tell blatant lies, because he doesn't approve what someone, someone he doesn't even know, eats.

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« Reply #178 on: January 08, 2016, 07:43:01 AM »
Looks healthy..
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« Reply #179 on: January 08, 2016, 07:45:15 AM »
How many guys brag about how healthy they are by showing their abs?  ::) I knew two guys who dropped dead while exercising. One was playing racquetball and the other just got done running on the treadmill. The racquetball guy just got a clean bill of health that week at the Dr's. He must have not been feeling too well. Dropped dead of a massive heart attack right in front of me while playing.

Remember that you are only as healthy as your insides. One small blockage in an artery and you could die instantly.  

I think it is true that "looking" healthy is not always a surefire way to determines one health. But if someone looks unhealthy, obese, the flabby, flaccid Shizzo type of fat and not necessarily the Josh or Chaos solid powerful fat; chances are health issue are present or just right around the corner. Certainly a flight of stairs will tax their upper limits of functional ability.

Though I haven't watched any of vids posted on this thread, the speakers presumably bashing McDonalds certainly don't look like the picture of health.

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« Reply #180 on: January 08, 2016, 07:48:04 AM »
Looks healthy..

I'm sure Dallas is quite healthy. The more pertinent question is why are you posting his picture in a Mcdonald's thread? Even more curious is why do you even have a picture of Dallas?

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« Reply #181 on: January 08, 2016, 07:52:43 AM »
McDonalds had some anniversary were burgers were something like a dime.  Sometime in the late 80's.  I remember the lines were fucking crazy and they were churning them out like nuts. 

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« Reply #182 on: January 08, 2016, 08:00:56 AM »
I think it is true that "looking" healthy is not always a surefire way to determines one health. But if someone looks unhealthy, obese, the flabby, flaccid Shizzo type of fat and not necessarily the Josh or Chaos solid powerful fat; chances are health issue are present or just right around the corner. Certainly a flight of stairs will tax their upper limits of functional ability.

Though I haven't watched any of vids posted on this thread, the speakers presumably bashing McDonalds certainly don't look like the picture of health.

I've known lots a people who have lived to late 80's early 90's some of them my relatives. Some where over weight not huge mind you. Lots of them had gardens. None of them exercised in the conventional sense but they did mow their own grass and plant gardens. I would guess that what most of these people had in common is that they ate mostly garden food. This practice is rare today. Oh and none of these people smoked at all and they drank very little.

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« Reply #183 on: January 08, 2016, 08:10:59 AM »
I've known lots a people who have lived to late 80's early 90's some of them my relatives. Some where over weight not huge mind you. Lots of them had gardens. None of them exercised in the conventional sense but they did mow their own grass and plant gardens. I would guess that what most of these people had in common is that they ate mostly garden food. This practice is rare today. Oh and none of these people smoked at all and they drank very little.

I wanted to distinguish between the types of obesity. When you have that pear shape that is a sure sign of some degree of insulin resistance. I think insulin resistance is a major cause to a lot of health issues experienced today. I mean, just by getting older and a life time of eat you start to develop some degree of insulin resistance. It's not the same at fifty then at fifteen.

But when all is said and done I think so much just has to do with genetics. So much of a person's life is predetermined on the day he/she is born. Genetics, environment, wealth....

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« Reply #184 on: January 08, 2016, 08:23:33 AM »
Pellius,

As usual, you profess to know things about me, throw in the odd insult and refuse to contemplate that your logic may be wanting.

I do feel sorry for you, you have such a negative view of the world, and appear to be full of anger.

However, I do find your pseudo-intellectual diatribes rather amusing.

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« Reply #185 on: January 08, 2016, 08:29:02 AM »
I wanted to distinguish between the types of obesity. When you have that pear shape that is a sure sign of some degree of insulin resistance. I think insulin resistance is a major cause to a lot of health issues experienced today. I mean, just by getting older and a life time of eat you start to develop some degree of insulin resistance. It's not the same at fifty then at fifteen.

But when all is said and done I think so much just has to do with genetics. So much of a person's life is predetermined on the day he/she is born. Genetics, environment, wealth....

Agreed on the insulin part and genetics may predispose you to one certain type of disease this doesn't mean you have to succumb to it. Genetics loads the gun diet pulls the trigger.

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« Reply #186 on: January 08, 2016, 11:41:40 PM »
Agreed on the insulin part and genetics may predispose you to one certain type of disease this doesn't mean you have to succumb to it. Genetics loads the gun diet pulls the trigger.

That is a great phrase!

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« Reply #187 on: January 08, 2016, 11:57:56 PM »
Pellius,

As usual, you profess to know things about me, throw in the odd insult and refuse to contemplate that your logic may be wanting.

I do feel sorry for you, you have such a negative view of the world, and appear to be full of anger.

However, I do find your pseudo-intellectual diatribes rather amusing.

Yes, I do make assumptions. But I'm not just pulling it out of my ass. Assumptions are not inherently bad and how we get through life. If I open my front door and see a tiger, though I know nothing about this tiger and I can make a fair assumption that it would be best to close the door. If I see someone walking down the street with delts bigger than his head, forearms like Heath, and calves like Cutler I can assume, though I could be wrong, he's spent some time in the gym.

Your questions, how words like "morality" and "Capitalism" catch your attention and the fact you are from Europe leads me assume you are secular and tend to frown on a economic competition and "excessive" profits. So, yes, but your posts here, and previous discussions we have, I do know something about you as you do me ("As usual") the difference is that I am honest about it.

Though you're initial question seems harmless enough. Trying to establish clarity to my claims, your follow ups belies your agenda. 
I am always, and have proven, that I am willing to honestly debate and question, and even changed my views (as I just did a few days ago of the efficacy of "bullying"). You may claim my logic is wanting, the simple premise that if a system promotes moral behavior then it is a moral system, but offer no rebuttal. You may question the premise of what constitutes moral behavior but the logic is quite sound.

I do have a negative view of the world but it's not because of my inherent nature or predisposition. I look at the world as it is and see that there is more bad than good in this world and am more than willing to debate and defend this position. There is nothing in my posts here that indicates anger. It is you that is angry because I challenge your world view.

What you said here in this post is not only false but it's something you don't even believe yourself. You are just saying words just to say words so you can muster some kind of come back. You don't feel sorry for me. You feel nothing for me. Why would you. You are not amuse by my "diatribes" but are more disturbed by it.

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« Reply #188 on: January 08, 2016, 11:59:36 PM »
i had a burger with provolone on the beach tonight.  delicious.

it was 50 times better than a big mac.   I cannot imagine any world where people crave big macs and drive past actual restaurants to get something.

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« Reply #189 on: January 09, 2016, 12:00:10 AM »
Looks healthy..

Odd that you now replaced the picture of Dallas.

And, yes, I am healthy and in great shape, especially for a man well into his fifties. What about you? Have you posted a pic showing how healthy and good shape you are?

I have a feeling it will not be forthcoming.

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« Reply #190 on: January 09, 2016, 12:01:40 AM »
i had a burger with provolone on the beach tonight.  delicious.

it was 50 times better than a big mac.   I cannot imagine any world where people crave big macs and drive past actual restaurants to get something.

Well, then the problem is obviously your imagination because we have a billion people, I being one of them, proving you wrong.

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« Reply #191 on: January 09, 2016, 12:08:29 AM »
Well, then the problem is obviously your imagination because we have a billion people, I being one of them, proving you wrong.

there are times when I crave a burger.  I play enough restaurants where I can get a quality burger most nights if I crave it.

But I cannot remember any time I just woke up and said, I gotta have a big mac.  Yes, there are times I crave mcgriddle or mcmuffin.  but the dinner?  gross, I'd rather vote trump.

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« Reply #192 on: January 09, 2016, 12:15:12 AM »
In an unforeseen moment of serendipity, I just came across this article by a college student that is so pertinent to the subject this thread has devolved to. Her experience working at McDonald's and her experience at College and how McDonald's will prepare you for life in the real world than in any University or College (in this case Haverford College).

http://theodysseyonline.com/haverford/mcdonalds-taught-privilege/257905

" There, I, as an individual, was insignificant: The most important thing was that the customer walks away satisfied, and it didn’t matter what I had to go through to make that happen."

"And from that, I grew; I learned to take care of myself in ways that didn’t inconvenience anyone, draw unnecessary attention to myself, or interfere with the structures in place and the work which had to be done. McDonald’s was not a “safe space” for me, and that was how it should be; I was a small part of a big picture, and my feelings had no business influencing said big picture. "

"Those of us who need to work in order to support ourselves and pay tuition cannot afford to internalize the soft, self-centered mindset presented by our peers and customs folk at Haverford."

 "I’m grateful to have worked at McDonald’s: It taught me how better to handle my anxiety and how to put myself last in the name of efficiency and a common goal. McDonald’s strengthened my character, my work ethic, and expanded my capacity for resilience, valuable lessons which could not be learned in the “safe spaces” of Haverford’s campus. We must remember that putting oneself first is the essence of privilege, and that, in order to grow, we must leave this selfish mindset behind. "

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« Reply #193 on: January 09, 2016, 12:35:30 AM »
there are times when I crave a burger.  I play enough restaurants where I can get a quality burger most nights if I crave it.

But I cannot remember any time I just woke up and said, I gotta have a big mac.  Yes, there are times I crave mcgriddle or mcmuffin.  but the dinner?  gross, I'd rather vote trump.

LOL @ voting for Trump.

What many don't understand is that in economics there are many factors involved that attract a customer. It's not just price, quality, quantity, convenience and service. It's a combination to various degrees depending on the circumstances.

I made clear that Mcdonald's, McDoubles in particular, is not my first choice as a specific food choice per se. As I mention, it would not be on my short list on my last meal prior to an execution. I've never woken up craving anything from McDonald's. In fact, before the recent drop in price, I've probably had a McDouble maybe a half a dozen times in the last year. It's the combination of convenience: they is always a McDonald's on my way to where ever I'm going; price: where can I get a full meal for only two dollars; nutrition: That's right! I said it! I said "NUTRITION!". You get fifty grams of protein in those two burgers for only $2. And I only keep track of protein as the fats and carbs fall into place effortlessly. Also, speed. McDonald's has it down to a science and takes as much human error and human sloth out of the equation. And those guys really hustle. They've created an environment that if you don't pull your weight you are going stand out like a sore thumb.

Of all the attributes that keeps me coming back to McDonald's, taste and quality is probably last on the list. The other attributes obviously more than make up for it. I like BK burgers much better because I like flame broiled burger infinitely more than pan fried. But they are not open 24 hrs and are slow as fuck (as far as drive through goes). I also think Jack in the Box is better tasting and better quality but their workers suck. I rarely get good service, their bathrooms are cess pools and the fatso girls that I get at the drive through don't even look at you or say thank you.

Also, they are much more expensive. I never get out of either of them without spending at least $8. I'd rather get a plate lunch.

So, now that I think about it, McDonald's wins out not because of their actual food, but the other attributes associated with food service.

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« Reply #194 on: January 09, 2016, 12:38:48 AM »
there are times when I crave a burger.  I play enough restaurants where I can get a quality burger most nights if I crave it.

But I cannot remember any time I just woke up and said, I gotta have a big mac.  Yes, there are times I crave mcgriddle or mcmuffin.  but the dinner?  gross, I'd rather vote trump.

I had to google "mcgriddle" haha... didn't know what it was.

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« Reply #195 on: January 09, 2016, 02:03:14 AM »
You may claim my logic is wanting, the simple premise that if a system promotes moral behavior then it is a moral system, but offer no rebuttal. You may question the premise of what constitutes moral behavior but the logic is quite sound.
There's so many things wrong with this that I don't know where to start. I'm  sitting here rolling my eyes at the idea that any system that encourages polite interactions in exchange for money is inherently moral.  ::)

So if your barber tells you you'd look great with a more expensive haircut even though he knows you'll look like shit, he's being moral because he's nice about it? If a shopgirl tells you you look great in a hideous yet expensive shirt, she's being moral because she was polite? Or a car salesman who sales you a bunch of useless add-ons? As long as he does it with a smile, it's moral?

Let's ignore the fact that any "morality" that McDonald's customer service might promote is offset by it's immoral environmental footprint and it's immoral predatory advertising towards children. Let's backup and just point out that McDonald's employees aren't that nice. Some of them can be, but they are just as likely to be indifferent or even rude (which is a major reason I rarely eat there). Like you said yourself in an earlier post, the things that make you a repeat customer are convenience and price. That's the same for most people. It isn't quality. It is often despite the people who work there.


As for it being nutritious- it's not. It can be a part of a balanced diet (especially if you are active) but it is not healthy.  

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« Reply #196 on: January 09, 2016, 02:36:05 AM »
There's so many things wrong with this that I don't know where to start. I'm  sitting here rolling my eyes at the idea that any system that encourages polite interactions in exchange for money is inherently moral.  ::)

So if your barber tells you you'd look great with a more expensive haircut even though he knows you'll look like shit, he's being moral because he's nice about it? If a shopgirl tells you you look great in a hideous yet expensive shirt, she's being moral because she was polite? Or a car salesman who sales you a bunch of useless add-ons? As long as he does it with a smile, it's moral?

Let's ignore the fact that any "morality" that McDonald's customer service might promote is offset by it's immoral environmental footprint and it's immoral predatory advertising towards children. Let's backup and just point out that McDonald's employees aren't that nice. Some of them can be, but they are just as likely to be indifferent or even rude (which is a major reason I rarely eat there). Like you said yourself in an earlier post, the things that make you a repeat customer are convenience and price. That's the same for most people. It isn't quality. It is often despite the people who work there.


As for it being nutritious- it's not. It can be a part of a balanced diet (especially if you are active) but it is not healthy.  

As usual, concepts like this sail far, far over your head that I don't know even where to begin. Remember, I said Capitalism promotes moral behavior assuming you accept the premise that polite, civil and courtesy is good behavior.

Not everyone will accept the premise that lying and misleading another person is moral behavior.

And when you quoted me why did you just mention convenience and price when I also included efficiency and service? You don't have an agenda do you?

And, yes, not all employees anywhere are nice. And they don't last. At least not where I've lived (Hawaii, So Ca.). I find MCD employees exceeding nice considering their shitty job. Whenever someone is rude to me anywhere I report it and it makes a difference.  A huge difference. Instead of allowing yourself to get pushed around and be treated rudely speak up. Have some balls.

"immoral environmental footprint and it's immoral predatory advertising towards children"

Oh brother, you liberals are just getting so sickening. You want to compare how efficient a McDonald's is run compared to a mom and pop hole in the wall? Did you miss the part where I know an inspector where he said it's the independent business owners that are much more likely to commit health and safety violations. It's because they often don't have the funds, their standards are random and the consequences falls just on them. If an individual McDonalds, a Walmart, a Sears, commits a violation it reflects on their entire empire. And there is hell to pay.

And if you claim that McDonald's is not nutritious then this implies that if someone eats solely at McDonald's, that he eats every meal every day at McDonald's, that he will eventually suffer from malnutrition and if he continues on he will eventually die? Is that what you believe?

Remember the guy who did just that to counteract the agenda driven "Super Size Me" documentary and lost weight and got in better shape?

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« Reply #197 on: January 09, 2016, 03:13:37 AM »
As usual, concepts like this sail far, far over your head that I
So we're kicking off the post with insults about imaginary events.  ::)

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Remember, I said Capitalism promotes moral behavior assuming you accept the premise that polite, civil and courtesy is good behavior.

Not everyone will accept the premise that lying and misleading another person is moral behavior.
Where did you say this? On page 6 is when you first brought up McDonald's being a moral business and I don't see that anywhere in your posts. Maybe it's buried in one of your subsequent encyclopedia entries. Either way, you can add similar caveats to any dubious concept of morality. If you called someone "immoral" because she didn't thank you for holding the door open for her, most would look at you as if you didn't know what the word meant. That was the point. If you use a specific, narrow definition then you can claim that McDonalds fits those criteria and on top of being a huge business, YAY!, it's a huge purveyor of morality, too! If you stand back and apply some common sense to your standards, then that whole line of thinking turns into bullshit.

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And when you quoted me why did you just mention convenience and price when I also included efficiency and service? You don't have an agenda do you?
Um, I was disagreeing with your post. Of course I had an agenda.  I said people don't go to McDonald's for service within one line of the point in the post you are talking about.


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Instead of allowing yourself to get pushed around and be treated rudely speak up. Have some balls.
::) All that needs to be said.

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Oh brother, you liberals are just getting so sickening. You want to compare how efficient a McDonald's is run compared to a mom and pop hole in the wall? Did you miss the part where I know an inspector where he said it's the independent business owners that are much more likely to commit health and safety violations. It's because they often don't have the funds, their standards are random and the consequences falls just on them. If an individual McDonalds, a Walmart, a Sears, commits a violation it reflects on their entire empire. And there is hell to pay.
McDonalds aren't run efficiently and whether or not you know a food inspector doesn't change that and has nothing to do with anything. McDonalds produces an incredible amount of waste, which is a separate issue from health and saftety violations. McDonalds suppliers are the largest producers of CO2 emissions in the country.  McDonald's thrives on predatory advertising to the point that some child-centric businesses no longer partner with them. Get outta here with that "sickening" bullshit. You are the one trying to make the argument that McDonald's is a moral endeavor.


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And if you claim that McDonald's is not nutritious then this implies that if someone eats solely at McDonald's, that he eats every meal every day at McDonald's, that he will eventually suffer from malnutrition and if he continues on he will eventually die? Is that what you believe?

Remember the guy who did just that to counteract the agenda driven "Super Size Me" documentary and lost weight and got in better shape?


He didn't eat McDoubles for every meal. He was an overweight, sedentary guy who began watching what he was eating and exercising. You specifically called Mcdoubles nutritious. They're not. They can be a part of a balanced diet if you are active and already in shape, but they are not nutritious, no matter how you try to spin it.

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« Reply #198 on: January 09, 2016, 04:30:17 AM »
I may go have a couple of these today, fake dead bird sandwich (2 for $5.00)...


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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #199 on: January 09, 2016, 04:45:58 AM »
I may go have a couple of these today, fake dead bird sandwich (2 for $5.00)...



Not a real chicken breast.  Even the grill char lines are fake.