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March on D.C. draws 2 million!
September 12, 3:46 PM
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The photo above is a view of part of the crowd of protesters who gathered in Washington, D.C. and around the country today to demand control of reckless runaway government spending and to voice their opposition to the government takeover of healthcare.
D.C. police estimates the crowd at 1.2 million. ABC News, however, reported this afternoon that the crowd was estimated at 2 million.
No matter which way you cut it, the size and scope of today's citizen march on Washington is an historic, groundbreaking event. Ordinary citizens who have been called 'the great silent majority' normally do not protest...at least not in public. That day is long gone.
The outrage expressed by normal, everyday citizens from across the nation at the town hall meetings in August is a case in point. Never before in recent history or memory have citizens been so clearly, visibly--and audibly--enraged by the actions of their government.
These are the people who go to work everyday, pay the bulk of the taxes of the country, raise families, and do their best to provide a safe environment for themselves in their local communities. They don't have time for 'political activism' as the hippies who protested the Viet Nam war.
Yet these dedicated men and women, at great personal expense, took the time to travel to Washington to make their voices heard in a tsunami of collective rage, mainly because they have become convinced that their elected leaders are not listening to them any longer.
And you bet they want 'change.' They want to replace most if not all of the Representatives and Senators in Congress for being hopelessly out of touch with the citizenry. They want a President who loves liberty, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and who reflects that love in the policies that are proposed. They don't want leftwing, radical extremists who espouse everything from forced abortions, healthcare rationing for the elderly, limiting free speech on radio, and other social and political engineering from bureaucrats who sit comfortably in their Washington offices while demanding that ordinary citizens in the heartland adhere to edicts that the politicians have no intention of following.
Further, these patriotic 'peasants with pitchforks and torches' clearly do not want the trillion-dollar proposals that add mind-boggling burdens to the national debt and budget deficit for generations to come. And they don't want their taxes raised to pay for the Washington elitists' insistence on unheard-of government spending that is sending the nation into debtor's quicksand to the tune of 400 billion dollars per month since Obama took office.
The question is, will Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Steny Hoyer, Charles Rangle, and Barack Obama get the message and alter the present course? Don't count on it.
But one thing is for sure. The sleeping giant of the 'great silent majority' has been awakened, and they aren't going anywhere.
For more commentary on other issues, visit my blog at The Liberty Sphere.
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This thing is growing by the day.
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D.C. police estimates the crowd at 1.2 million. ABC News, however, reported this afternoon that the crowd was estimated at 2 million.
Soooooooooooooooo
You place the word of a lib news organization, thirsty for ratings, over that of the DC police for accurate crowd estimates?
LMAO.... dude, sack up... tell us... is ABC a credible news organization... no ducking around... yes or no?
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240 - give me a break!
Whatever the real number is, this is huge and you know it.
As far as ABC, even if it was ha;f right and the number is 600k that is still a large number for this.
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hhaha i bet Fox news will be covering this 24/7 and put the 'estimates' at 5 million.
in any case it would be beneficial to set up a couple 50mm'ers and purge this scum from the country while they are all clustered together :)
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well, 1.2 mil is quite impressive.
I just wanted to see if you would credit ABC as accurate, or a media lie machine. Some people here will attack every news outlet not called FOX - until they agree with them ;)
One member gloated that the AP was a left-wing lie mill. Really.
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hhaha i bet Fox news will be covering this 24/7 and put the 'estimates' at 5 million.
in any case it would be beneficial to set up a couple 50mm'ers and purge this scum from the country while they are all clustered together :)
Thats funny, I had the same feeling watching the speech on Wednesday with all the scum in the capitol building.
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seriosuly these backwards, hate-filled, mental simpletons cannot be reasoned with anymore. its time to just round them up and put them into work camps
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seriosuly these backwards, hate-filled, mental simpletons cannot be reasoned with anymore. its time to just round them up and put them into work camps
I just got home from a huge gun show where there were thousands of people stimulating the economy far more than the acorn scum do. You are free to come and try to round me up any time you like.
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I just got home from a huge gun show where there were thousands of people stimulating the economy far more than the acorn scum do. You are free to come and try to round me up any time you like.
that sounds like a threat.
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that sounds like a threat.
No, it was not a threat. Johny said he wants to round people up. I said fine, come and try it. He threatened me, not the other way around. BTW 240 - the gun show was freaking mobbed and AR's and tactical shotguns were flying off the tables along with ammo. I have never seen it like this before.
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I wonder if during the civil rights movement enlightened Americans reffered to those protetsting as rabble rousing monkeys trying to overthrow the country that decent white folk created?
Well, in any event, we all know now that there couldn't have been more than 2 or three dozen protestors in the entire country during the civil rights movement. It was a sham-- Just like the tea parties.
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Look at all the racists. ::)
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"Tens of thousends." ::)
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it's like an obama inauguration, only a lot smaller
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it's like an obama inauguration, only a lot smaller
LMAO!
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haha that's a lot of scared ignorant people you guys have down there
good luck with that
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seriosuly these backwards, hate-filled, mental simpletons cannot be reasoned with anymore. its time to just round them up and put them into work camps
Hahhahahaahahhaha....sor ry douchbag..u leftist shitbags don't have the power, barely any weapons and zero balls. Once Barry flee's the country in shame, maybe we'll get around to the rest of u.
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No, it was not a threat. Johny said he wants to round people up. I said fine, come and try it. He threatened me, not the other way around. BTW 240 - the gun show was freaking mobbed and AR's and tactical shotguns were flying off the tables along with ammo. I have never seen it like this before.
the British are coming!
haha you guys are alright . . .
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Tens of thousands of conservative protesters, many complaining that the nation is racing toward socialism, massed outside the U.S. Capitol on Saturday, angrily denouncing President Obama's health-care plan and other initiatives as threats to the Constitution.
The crowd -- loud, animated and sprawling -- gathered at the West Front of the Capitol after a march along Pennsylvania Avenue NW from Freedom Plaza. Invocations of God and former president Ronald Reagan by an array of speakers drew loud cheers that echoed across the Mall. On a windy, overcast afternoon, hundreds of yellow "Don't Tread on Me" flags flapped in the breeze.
"Hell hath no fury like a taxpayer ignored," declared Andrew Moylan, head of government affairs for the National Taxpayers Union, urging protesters to call their representatives. The demonstrators roared their approval.
"We own the dome!" they chanted, pointing at the Capitol.
The demonstrators are part of a loose-knit movement that is galvanizing anti-Obama sentiment across the country, stoking a populist dimension to the Republican Party, which has struggled to find its voice since the 2008 elections.
With Democrats in control of Congress, battling the president legislatively has been difficult. But after a spring of anti-tax rallies and summer health-care protests proved to be effective, a growing number of GOP leaders are dropping their wariness and seeing the political possibilities of latching onto this freewheeling coalition. Others are cautious about embracing views that can be seen as extremist.
The protests in recent months come as Obama is trying to regain control of the health-care debate and bolster public confidence in his leadership.
Authorities in the District do not give official crowd estimates, but Saturday's throng appeared to number in the many tens of thousands. A sea of people surrounded the Capitol reflecting pool, spilling across Third Street and along the Mall. The sound system did not reach far enough for people at the edges of the rally to hear the speakers onstage.
"You will not spend the money of our children and our grandchildren to feed an overstuffed government," Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.) said of the Obama administration, drawing raucous applause.
"Our history is decorated by those who endured the burden of defending freedom," Price said. "Now a new generation of patriots has emerged. You are those patriots."
The group's sponsors included FreedomWorks, a Washington-based group headed by former House majority leader Richard Armey (R-Tex.), and the groups Tea Party Patriots and ResistNet. They and others involved in the rally comprise a loose coalition of conservative groups that helped organize the health-care and anti-tax demonstrations in the spring and summer.
"Health care is not listed anywhere in the Constitution," said Brian Burnell, 45, who owns an insurance company on Maryland's Eastern Shore. His placard read, "How Is That Hopey Changey Thing Workin' Out For Ya?"
"You want socialism?" said Susan Clark, a District resident marching with a bullhorn. "Go to Russia!"
The huge turnout indicated the growing frustration with Obama among conservative activists and showed that his nationally televised speech Wednesday did little to move his political opponents on health care.
Although it is unclear whether the demonstrators represent a large segment of voters or even of Republicans, Saturday's march illustrated that activists, some of whom are not enthusiastic about the GOP, have been galvanized.
The White House declined to comment on the demonstration, but Democrats said the rally and other protests in recent months represent a small minority of voters and will not slow Obama's proposals.
"There is a lot of intensity on the far right to defeat the president's agenda, but I am not sure that holding up signs that say we have to bury health reform with Senator Kennedy will go over well with moderates and independent voters," said Doug Thornell, an adviser to Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.).
Saturday's demonstrators spanned the spectrum of conservative anger at Obama, including opponents of his tax, spending and health-care plans and protesters who question his U.S. citizenship and compare his administration to the Nazi regime.
Most signs were handmade: "Socialism is UnAmerican," "King George Didn't Listen Either!" "Terrorists Won't Destroy America, Congress Will!" and "The American Dream R.I.P." Many protesters carried the now-familiar poster of Obama made up to look like the Joker, captioned "Socialism."
"Nobody's standing up for us, so we have to stand up for ourselves," said Phil Chancey, 66, who drove to Washington from Clinton, Tenn.
"We're all endangered!" shouted Dave Rue, 67, a retired Mobil Oil employee who traveled to Washington from New Jersey. "We're endangered because they're pushing socialism on us."
Some came to protest what they see as government interference with gun ownership. Shaun Bryant, 40, a leadership trainer, was among eight people who flew in from Salt Lake City. They fashioned a sign with a drawing of an AR-15 assault rifle and the words, "We came unarmed from Montana and Utah . . . this time!"
Debbie Wilson, 51, of Apollo Beach, Fla., flew to Washington a week ago, driving to Colonial Williamsburg with her husband for sightseeing before the rally.
"We want our country to go back to the roots of doing what our Founding Fathers wanted us to do -- less government in every aspect of my life," she said. "We walked the streets of Williamsburg, and it felt like we were learning how to be a patriot."
Dozens of signs mentioned Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.), who heckled Obama during a Wednesday night speech to Congress. Dee Meredith, 62, of Callao, Va., said she had never heard of Wilson before he shouted at the president, "You lie!" At the rally, Meredith waved a placard: "Thank You Joe Wilson."
"We're the forgotten people," she said, "and he's given us a voice."
When Armey, speaking to the crowd, referred to Obama having pledged to uphold the Constitution, the protesters shouted at the president in absentia: "Liar! Liar!"
Jeff Mapps, 29, a stagehand and labor union member from South Philadelphia, left home about 6 a.m. to attend the protest. He said he had not been involved in previous demonstrations but that he watches Fox News host Glenn Beck "all the time" and wanted to be part of an event that he thinks will be historic. Beck had drummed up support for the march.
Holding a sign that said "Preserve, Protect, Defend" on a Red Line Metro train packed with conservative activists, Mapps fretted over a "blatant disregard for the Constitution."
"We've been watching it for six to eight months," he said. "It was finally an opportunity to get involved. It's been boiling over. . . . It's not just about health care. It's about so much more than that."
Anna Hayes, 58, a nurse from Fairfax County, stood on the Mall in 1981 for Reagan's inauguration. "The same people were celebrating freedom," she said. "The president was fighting for the people then. I remember those years very well and fondly."
Deriding what she called "Obamacare," Hayes said: "This is the first rally I've been to that demonstrates against something, the first in my life. I just couldn't stay home anymore."
Staff writers Joel Achenbach, Paul Duggan, Dan Eggen and Anne E. Kornblut contributed to this report.
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WASHINGTON — A sea of protesters filled the west lawn of the Capitol and spilled onto the National Mall on Saturday in the largest rally against President Obama since he took office, a culmination of a summer-long season of protests that began with opposition to a health care overhaul and grew into a broader dissatisfaction with government.
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On a cloudy and cool day, the demonstrators came from all corners of the country, waving American flags and handwritten signs explaining the root of their frustrations. Their anger stretched well beyond the health care legislation moving through Congress, with shouts of support for gun rights, lower taxes and a smaller government.
But as they sang verse after verse of patriotic hymns like “God Bless America,” sharp words of profane and political criticism were aimed at Mr. Obama and Congress.
Dick Armey, a former House Republican leader whose group Freedomworks helped organize the protest, stood before the crowd and led the rallying cries in nearly the same spot where Mr. Obama took his oath of office eight months ago.
“He pledged a commitment of fidelity to the United States Constitution,” Mr. Armey said, suggesting that Mr. Obama was in violation of what the founding fathers intended the size and scope of the government to be.
“Liar! Liar! Liar! Liar!” the crowd shouted back, echoing the accusation that Representative Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina, hurled at the president three days earlier during his address to Congress.
The demonstrators numbered well into the tens of thousands, though the police declined to estimate the size of the crowd. Many came on their own and were not part of an organization or group. But the magnitude of the rally took the authorities by surprise, with throngs of people streaming from the White House to Capitol Hill for more than three hours.
The atmosphere was rowdy at times, with signs and images casting Mr. Obama in a demeaning light. One sign called him the “parasite in chief.” Others likened him to Hitler. Several people held up preprinted signs saying, “Bury Obama Care with Kennedy,” a reference to the Massachusetts senator whose body passed by the Capitol two weeks earlier to be memorialized.
Other signs did not focus on Mr. Obama, but rather on the government at large, promoting gun rights, tallying the national deficit and deploring illegal immigrants living in the United States.
Still, many demonstrators expressed their views without a hint of rage. They said the size of the crowd illustrated that their views were shared by a broader audience.
“I want Congress to be afraid,” said Keldon Clapp, 45, an unemployed marketing representative who recently moved to Tennessee from Connecticut after losing his job. “Like everyone else here, I want them to know that we’re watching what they’re doing. And they do work for us.”
As Mr. Obama traveled to Minnesota on Saturday to rally support for his health care plan, he flew over the assembling crowd in Marine One. The helicopter could be seen flying overhead as the demonstrators marched down Pennsylvania Avenue.
“This is not some kind of radical right-wing group,” Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina, said in an interview as dozens of people streamed by him. “I just hope the Congress, the Senate and the president recognize that people are afraid of what’s going on.”
Mr. DeMint and a few Republican legislators were the only party leaders on hand for the demonstration. Republican officials said privately that they were pleased by the turnout but wary of the anger directed at all politicians. And most of those who turned out were not likely to have been Obama voters anyway.
Protesters came by bus, car and airplane, arriving here from Texas and Tennessee, New Mexico and New Hampshire, Ohio and Oregon. The messages on their signs told of an intense distrust of the government, which several people said began long before Mr. Obama took office.
For the most part, Democrats stayed silent on Saturday, with the exception of a small group of counterdemonstrators who gathered behind a roadblock to protest what they called a “right-wing rally.” Many were members of the clergy, who said they were concerned about misinformation propagated by opponents of health care legislation.
“We’d like to have an honest debate,” said Chris Korzen, director of the nonprofit Catholics United. “I don’t see a lot of substance here.”
While there was no shortage of vitriol among protesters, there was also an air of festivity. A band of protesters in colonial gear wended through the crowd, led by a bell ringer in a tricorn hat calling for revolution. A folk singer belting out a protest ballad on a guitar brought cheers.
In conversations with demonstrators, people identified themselves as Republicans, libertarians, independents and former Democrats. Several speakers denounced the Obama administration’s health care plan as “socialism.” A few Confederate flags waved in the air, but there were hundreds of American flags and chants of, “U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!” A young girl held a sign saying, “Don’t redistribute the wealth of my Barbies.”
Ruth Lobbs, 57, a schoolteacher from Jacksonville, Fla., said she flew to Washington on Saturday to protest how she believes the government has violated the Constitution. She said she did not vote for the president, adding that her anger has been building for years.
“It’s more than Obama — this isn’t a Republican or a Democratic issue,” Ms. Lobbs said as she held a yellow flag that declared, “Don’t Tread on Me.”
“I don’t know if anything will come of this or not,” she said, “but this is a peaceful way of showing our frustration.”
Theo Emery and Ashley Southall contributed reporting.
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I'm so happy to see the conservative base of the USA coming together, united, finally.
Now, can they just select a candidate who is NOT a sexual deviant or a religious zealout, or an idiot?
Seriously, you guys went with crazy old man and eye candy in 2008. You see how that worked out. How about a clean-cut, hard-working candidate? No drama, no bullshit. Get a professional in there and just fix shit.
Can you do that? Please?
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This is, where I hope, he'll come from....a true Con or Libertarian.
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Look at all the racists. ::)
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there's not a lot of racists in America?
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This is, where I hope, he'll come from....a true Con or Libertarian.
damn skippy. I know I come across as a O yes-man, as I beat up on mccain/palin so bad. But honestly, I want America to win. And America wins when she has TWO good choices in 2012 election.
Obama will have experience, economy probably recovered, and lots of examples of action he took (right or wrong, that's a separate thread) to try to fix thigns. At the very least, he was proactive. But he won't have the "change" card to play this time.
So will the R's offer an attack dog, who will do nothing but use vague catch-phrases and bash obama (hello, miss palin?) Or, will they have a POSITIVE candidate, who offers change in the form of return to american ingenuity and effort - WITHOUT scare tactics?
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It's interesting to note how many times it's mentioned from some protesters that this isn't a right/left stance but the debate always falls back into that paradigm in these threads or in the headlines of articles. I wonder which is closer to the truth and why people always go back to that route when it's painfully obvious that politicians on both sides are one and the same.
With that said, there is plenty to be angry about but the focus is getting dilluted.
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there's not a lot of racists in America?
Is that suppose to mean that most of these people are?
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can anyone spot a single person not as white as snow :D The guy talking on Fox said they're black. The only black person I spotted was a cop.
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Is that suppose to mean that most of these people are?
No, just that there are a lot of racists in America so it would hardly be a shocking thing if that were the case.
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Afro-Leninism
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I spotted 1 asian! yea! That's a seriously white crowd. Wyoming isn't even that white anymore.
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that reporter talking to beck wasn't a journalist. he was a cheerleader.
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I'm so happy to see the conservative base of the USA coming together, united, finally.
Now, can they just select a candidate who is NOT a sexual deviant or a religious zealout, or an idiot?
Seriously, you guys went with crazy old man and eye candy in 2008. You see how that worked out. How about a clean-cut, hard-working candidate? No drama, no bullshit. Get a professional in there and just fix shit.
Can you do that? Please?
Dude, that's the problem with people like you. You think the only option is conservative / democratic. That's not a real choice. People want freedom of government, not a two party system. As Jesse Ventura said, politics in America is like pro wrestling. It's fake. They act like opponents in front of the cameras and then behind the scenes go to the same parties and are friends.
You need to wake up little sheep...
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that reporter talking to beck wasn't a journalist. he was a cheerleader.
How does it feel getting sodomized by your government puppets?? I bet you like it.
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People want freedom of governement, not a two party system. As Jesse Ventura said, politics in America is like pro wrestling. It's fake. They act like opponents in front of the cameras and then behind the scenes go to the same parties and are friends.
You need to wake up little sheep...
Exactly. These guys (some protesters too) are just playing into the whole left/right balony like one is actually better than the other, when they are both the same shit.
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Dude, that's the problem with people like you. You think the only option is conservative / democratic. That's not a real choice. People want freedom of governement, not a two party system. As Jesse Ventura said, politics in America is like pro wrestling. It's fake. They act like opponents in front of the cameras and then behind the scenes go to the same parties and are friends.
You need to wake up little sheep...
*yawn*
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ABC News Was Misquoted on Crowd Size
ABC News Reported D.C. Rally Size in Tens of Thousands, Not 1M to 1.5M as Activist Said.
Sept. 12, 2009—
Conservative activists, who organized a march on the U.S. Capitol today in protest of the Obama administration's health care agenda and government spending, erroneously attributed reports on the size of the crowds to ABC News.
Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, the group that organized the event, said on stage at the rally that ABC News was reporting that 1 million to 1.5 million people were in attendance.
At no time did ABC News, or its affiliates, report a number anywhere near as large. ABCNews.com reported an approximate figure of 60,000 to 70,000 protesters, attributed to the Washington, D.C., fire department. In its reports, ABC News Radio described the crowd as "tens of thousands."
Brendan Steinhauser, spokesman for FreedomWorks, said he did not know why Kibbe cited ABC News as a source.
As a result of Kibbe's erroneous attribution, several bloggers and commenters repeated the misinformation.
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Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, the group that organized the event, said on stage at the rally that ABC News was reporting that 1 million to 1.5 million people were in attendance.
At no time did ABC News, or its affiliates, report a number anywhere near as large. ABCNews.com reported an approximate figure of 60,000 to 70,000 protesters, attributed to the Washington, D.C., fire department. In its reports, ABC News Radio described the crowd as "tens of thousands."
Wow.... the event organizer just decided to multiply attendance numbers by, say, TWENTY. LMAO. pathetic.
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Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, the group that organized the event, said on stage at the rally that ABC News was reporting that 1 million to 1.5 million people were in attendance.
At no time did ABC News, or its affiliates, report a number anywhere near as large. ABCNews.com reported an approximate figure of 60,000 to 70,000 protesters, attributed to the Washington, D.C., fire department. In its reports, ABC News Radio described the crowd as "tens of thousands."
Wow.... the event organizer just decided to multiply attendance numbers by, say, TWENTY. LMAO. pathetic.
Go look at the photos of the event. There were much more than 60 - 70k people protesting. Compare the size of this crowd with the inauguration crowd which was over 1 million people.
I was on the ABC web site last night and on their site they said there were 1.2 million people reported but that the size could be upto 2 million. That was from their site so now they are changing their story. Because the White House does not want these numbers to be public. You see, it's astroturf as quoted by the bitch pelosi.
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*yawn*
Ok sheep, go back to sleep if you're tired. You're fucked btw.
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Ok sheep, go back to sleep if you're tired.
What's it like being dumber than sheep?
You're fucked btw.
You're going to fuck me? :-\
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What's it like being dumber than sheep?
You're going to fuck me? :-\
You should know very well what its like, you voted for Dear Leader and knee-pad for everything he does.
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where on the ABC site does it say 2 million? that is your subject line, 33.
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where on the ABC site does it say 2 million? that is your subject line, 33.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2338210/posts
They gave this originally and retracted it. It appears the real number is probably around betwwn 5ook and a 1 million
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Once Barry flee's the country in shame,
Since that is not going to happen it looks like you got a long 7 years of Obama left as POTUS ahead of you.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2338210/posts
it. It appears the real number is probably around betwwn 5ook and a 1 million
"it appears"?
Sorry, I need a source besides Free Republica, just as I'd never buy DU as a source for anything making the libs look good.
With all the media coverage - including fox - there has to be a solid estimate out there
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Facts:
Population of the USA (census): 281,421,906 million, approximately.
Percentage of Americans taking part in the Teaparty march: 0.53%, or 1,500,000 million Americans, approximately.
Percentage of US voters who voted for President Obama: 52.9% of the popular vote, or 69,457,000 Americans.
Who is the fascist here.
I invite you to give it some thought.
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Facts:
Percentage of Americans taking part in the Teaparty march: 0.53%, or 1,500,000 million Americans, approximately.
Laughable.
You are entitled to your own OPINION, but you are not entitled to your own FACTS.
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Laughable.
You are entitled to your own OPINION, but you are not entitled to your own FACTS.
How many people are taking part in the march?
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how many ppl were at the event?
Anyone? 2 mil isn't accurate - what was the correct number?
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how many ppl were at the event?
Anyone? 2 mil isn't accurate - what was the correct number?
Say 1.5 million. For the heck of it. Bottom line is that that represents only 0.53% of Americans. Line up 200 people, pick one out of the lineup and that is the # of Americans who did the Beck walk yesterday.
To me it looks more and more like a legitimate, but small, popular movement.
It will eventually dissipate. Same for Glenn Beck.
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Now, if they lose the racial undertone and actually bring up issues that DO affect the majority of Americans, like lower wages, no health insurance, working longer hours... then they can begin to talk about a true mass-based movement. That will really piss off the representatives in Washington.
In the mean time... the Tea Party march was just a good way to spend a Saturday away from the wives.
That's all.
Epic failure in my opinion.
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It was just enough people protesting to get Benny to actually spend some of his precious time and have to comment in this thread. Remember, he doesn't waste his time on irrelevant things so I'd say that makes it a success. :D
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It was just enough people protesting to get Benny to actually spend some of his precious time and have to comment in this thread. Remember, he doesn't waste his time on irrelevant things so I'd say that makes it a success. :D
Am I weighing heavily on your mind today, Ziggy?
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You two, stop it.
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You two, stop it.
Nah, its cool. Apparently Ziggy took his anti-depressants today and my posting in this thread has taken the dark clouds that normally follow him overhead away for a little while. :P
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Now, if they lose the racial undertone and actually bring up issues that DO affect the majority of Americans, like lower wages, no health insurance, longer hours... then they can begin to talk about a true mass-based movement. That will really piss off the representatives in Washington.
In the mean time... the Tea Party march was just a good way to spend a Saturday away from the wives.
That's all.
Epic failure in my opinion.
you mean like what it was gearing up to be under Ron Paul before Fox and mentally ill Glenn Beck co-opted the movement?
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I'm so happy to see the conservative base of the USA coming together, united, finally.
Now, can they just select a candidate who is NOT a sexual deviant or a religious zealout, or an idiot?
Seriously, you guys went with crazy old man and eye candy in 2008. You see how that worked out. How about a clean-cut, hard-working candidate? No drama, no bullshit. Get a professional in there and just fix shit.
Can you do that? Please?
As usual your analysis is totally wrong. The candidates on the right were perfectly legitimate in comparison to what the left put up at the plate. The crazy old man as you put it is a decorated war hero who has left his mark in washington as someone who has diligently fought against corruption. Not only is he an independent thinker that is willing to break party lines to get things done, but he is extremely well respected, experienced and has twice as much integrity as any other member of Congress on either side of the aisle. The problem was Palin, who was not seasoned enough of a politician to garner enough support for the ticket. By and large her shortcomings made her too polarizing a candidate for the majority of Americans to accept. Throw in the media's hatchet job on her, the fact that her daughter caused a shitstorm of controversy, and the fact that she was inexperienced, and its not hard to figure out why the McCain camp's calculated selection of a female VP backfired.
With that being said, none of the aforementioned matters at all. Obama and Biden were elected for 3 reasons, and 3 reasons only- (1) The economic collapse (2) George Bush is a republican (3) McCain's independent way of thinking alienated a significant portion of the republican base.
I would bet the house that if things continue to decline with Obama as president and the poll numbers continue to fall like a brick, a McCain/ Palin ticket in 2012 would soundly beat just about any democratic candidates including the incumbents in the presidential election. The only exception might be if Hillary runs again.
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Now, if they lose the racial undertone and actually bring up issues that DO affect the majority of Americans, like lower wages, no health insurance, longer hours... then they can begin to talk about a true mass-based movement. That will really piss off the representatives in Washington.
In the mean time... the Tea Party march was just a good way to spend a Saturday away from the wives.
That's all.
Epic failure in my opinion.
Slapper your participation as a member of the human race has been an epic failure. I recommend getting into your parents station wagon, starting the engine, rolling the windows up and taking a long nap.
Hope this helps.
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GW,
In 2012, if you had to rank the top 20 candidate the Repubs should run, where would you place palin?
Personally, I would like the repubs to run the BEST candidate. Not someone liek her who might be good enough now.
I really want the R's to deliver a good candidate, for the good of America. No, a great candidate. pakistan's leader hit on her, for god's sake. She thanked prank caller of French president for praising her work in a damn porn movie.
Please, repubs, run an awesome candidate. Don't run someone who has nice thighs. Run a person who the world will fvcking fear, who is smart with money, who has their ducks in a row.
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how many ppl were at the event?
Anyone? 2 mil isn't accurate - what was the correct number?
10K would be more accurate than 2M.
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it is weird that FOX and the right-wingers would trust a lib media outlet (despite no written report of 2 millions!) - over a very non-partisan DC police dept.
Now, if this report never exists, and the organizer just plain LIED, and FOX repeated the LIE all day long...
That just looks terrible. Just terrible :(
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Teaparty march in DC draws Two Million protestors!
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March on D.C. draws 2 million!
September 12, 3:46 PM
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The photo above is a view of part of the crowd of protesters who gathered in Washington, D.C. and around the country today to demand control of reckless runaway government spending and to voice their opposition to the government takeover of healthcare.
D.C. police estimates the crowd at 1.2 million. ABC News, however, reported this afternoon that the crowd was estimated at 2 million.
No matter which way you cut it, the size and scope of today's citizen march on Washington is an historic, groundbreaking event. Ordinary citizens who have been called 'the great silent majority' normally do not protest...at least not in public. That day is long gone.
The outrage expressed by normal, everyday citizens from across the nation at the town hall meetings in August is a case in point. Never before in recent history or memory have citizens been so clearly, visibly--and audibly--enraged by the actions of their government.
These are the people who go to work everyday, pay the bulk of the taxes of the country, raise families, and do their best to provide a safe environment for themselves in their local communities. They don't have time for 'political activism' as the hippies who protested the Viet Nam war.
Yet these dedicated men and women, at great personal expense, took the time to travel to Washington to make their voices heard in a tsunami of collective rage, mainly because they have become convinced that their elected leaders are not listening to them any longer.
And you bet they want 'change.' They want to replace most if not all of the Representatives and Senators in Congress for being hopelessly out of touch with the citizenry. They want a President who loves liberty, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and who reflects that love in the policies that are proposed. They don't want leftwing, radical extremists who espouse everything from forced abortions, healthcare rationing for the elderly, limiting free speech on radio, and other social and political engineering from bureaucrats who sit comfortably in their Washington offices while demanding that ordinary citizens in the heartland adhere to edicts that the politicians have no intention of following.
Further, these patriotic 'peasants with pitchforks and torches' clearly do not want the trillion-dollar proposals that add mind-boggling burdens to the national debt and budget deficit for generations to come. And they don't want their taxes raised to pay for the Washington elitists' insistence on unheard-of government spending that is sending the nation into debtor's quicksand to the tune of 400 billion dollars per month since Obama took office.
The question is, will Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Steny Hoyer, Charles Rangle, and Barack Obama get the message and alter the present course? Don't count on it.
But one thing is for sure. The sleeping giant of the 'great silent majority' has been awakened, and they aren't going anywhere.
For more commentary on other issues, visit my blog at The Liberty Sphere.
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This thing is growing by the day.
from 2 million to 60,000 this ''thing is swinking by the day'' :D
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"ABC News, however, reported this afternoon that the crowd was estimated at 2 million."
Where is this estimation? in print? ABC says it never existed. In this age of internet caches, if thye wrote it or said it on the air, there is a copy somewhere.
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Say 1.5 million. For the heck of it. Bottom line is that that represents only 0.53% of Americans. Line up 500 people, pick one out of the lineup and that is the # of Americans who did the Beck walk yesterday.
To me it looks more and more like a legitimate, but small, popular movement.
It will eventually dissipate. Same for Glenn Beck.
Your math is wrong.
1 out of 500 is 0.20%
1 out of 200 is 0.50%
Now subtract kids and teens...
1 out of 100 is not bad. It''s a start...
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"ABC News, however, reported this afternoon that the crowd was estimated at 2 million."
Where is this estimation? in print? ABC says it never existed. In this age of internet caches, if thye wrote it or said it on the air, there is a copy somewhere.
I saw it on their web site - 1.5 - 2 million. Since then they obiously took it down and changed it. I wish I had made a screen capture of it.
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I saw it on their web site - 1.5 - 2 million. Since then they obiously took it down and changed it. I wish I had made a screen capture of it.
It said they estimated crowd sizes at that? Or "expected" numbers?
It should be HELLA easy for them to prove ABC is outright lying here. If it is, it's a major black eye for ABC news, if they said 1.5 to 2 mil were there.
If mysteriously, none of the FOX, beck, or organizer people can find a cached copy of that story, it will certainly smell fishy.
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Your math is wrong.
1 out of 500 is 0.20%
1 out of 200 is 0.50%
Now subtract kids and teens...
1 out of 100 is not bad. It''s a start...
Thanks for the heads-up. Just changed it.
1 out of 100 would be "a start" if the population was 100. The Million Man March gathered many more Americans the the Tea Party March and, in the end, look at how much the first accomplished.
Many people do agree with some of the things that are being said by the Tea Party crowd, but it is going to be mighty hard to get the NAACP and the KKK to push the same agenda.
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I saw it on their web site - 1.5 - 2 million. Since then they obiously took it down and changed it. I wish I had made a screen capture of it.
That has more to do with a main source just throwing out a number and the tendency of the other media outlets to just repeat it as fact.
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Wow u lib douchbags are really scared huh...who cares how many people came...the live video showed tens of thousands and the cops said the numbers were huge..i doubt there were close to a million but who knows...the fact that Barry and his agenda are failing epically and destroying the country along the way should be the big worry.
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who cares how many people came
333386 does. The event organizer does. michelle malki does. They all gloated on the 2 mil number.
Pic show 60k - which is awesome and quite admirable - but it's about 1,840,000 people shy of the numbers they gloated.
if they hadn't gloated on the number, libs wouldn't be gloating on the gross over-estimation.
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Wow u lib douchbags are really scared huh...who cares how many people came...the live video showed tens of thousands and the cops said the numbers were huge..i doubt there were close to a million but who knows...the fact that Barry and his agenda are failing epically and destroying the country along the way should be the big worry.
Look head, I'm not questioning the numbers, in that I'm as blind to what I'm told as you are.
What I am hearing A LOT from the TP people, or people afiliated to that group, is the word "liberal". I don't know if you know this or not, but there are many liberals out there that agree with the TPM and what you have to say, but please, moderate the bullshit down a bit dude. Be inclusive. Be smart.
If you guys walk down to the capital shouting insults and ridiculing everyone to the left of Adolf Hitler you're going to lose a good chunk of the American People, and you'll end up looking like a group of gun-owning, tax-hating, religious, rich white men who want to turn the TP into their little private club.
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Tens of thousands of conservative protesters, many complaining that the nation is racing toward socialism, massed outside the U.S. Capitol on Saturday, angrily denouncing President Obama's health-care plan and other initiatives as threats to the Constitution.
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Staff writers Joel Achenbach, Paul Duggan, Dan Eggen and Anne E. Kornblut contributed to this report.
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Here's how the 1.2 million number was calculated:The cops don't count them they use known measurements and then guess. This march was huge compared to what people thought it would be....Conservatives and the folks who marched usually don't march, they vote and do other things but they generally don't march. These aren't all Conservatives or Republicans..these are indy's that voted for Barry as well...or Dems. Barry has as much a problem with the blue dogs as he does the Repubs.
Slapper...if the shoe fits, if not. The TPM is not all Repubs, of that I'm aware. Both parties have lost huge huge numbers to the independents. As for you last bit....I think people need to taske the high road..no Hitler shit, the Joker thing and socialism stuff is fine...no racist shit....if the march is about no healthcare then keep it on that. Ever been to an anti-war rally...EVERY leftist cause is represented..I don't want to go down that road. So I agree :o
Straw these aren't just Cons....
HOt Air blog site.
Route as shown in the timelapse - 1.1 miles
Width of Pennsylvania Avenue - 90 feet (8 lanes wide)
Accepted density of people in such a crowd - 4 for every 10 square feet
Time to traverse the route - 22 minutes (at a stroll)
Number of people it takes to FILL the entire route - ~150,000 to 210,000 (depending on density)
Number of times that many people traverse it in the Traffic Cam - 4 or 5 times, minimum.
The estimates of 1.2 million for the ENTIRE day seem pretty accurate. That’s why the D.C. police is using that.
Anyone have any official/nonpartisan estimates? I’ve seen numbers ranging from 50,000 on the low end (from David Shuster, natch) up to “a healthy six figures” from Reason’s Matt Welch on up to the two million figure cited by the boss earlier this morning, which ABC insists it never reported. As of a few hours ago, D.C. police were refusing to make any estimates but ABC got some unspecified city officials on the record claiming there 60,000 to 75,000 people there. Any other numbers floating around? E-mail me if so. I think using protest size as a gauge of popular sentiment is stupid — witness the huge turnouts against the war in early 2003 when public support was in the neighborhood of 65 percent — but it’s a fun talking point, so let’s have fun.
Two videos of the crowd for you to peruse. One is a time-lapse from a traffic cam of people gathering this morning, the other is of MSNBC anchor Alex Witt marveling at the scale of the rally. Believe it or not, there were lefties speculating on Twitter today that the photo Michelle posted this morning was bogus because the flag in the foreground appears to be at half-mast; it must have been a photo of a lefty protest from years ago, the theory went, for surely the right couldn’t muster a throng of that size. Compare it to the videos, though, and you’ll see that the shot’s obviously from today. Alas, 9/12 Truth, we hardly knew ye!
Update: However big it was, it was bigger than expected. From the NYT: “Many came on their own and were not part of an organization or group. But the magnitude of the rally took the authorities by surprise, with throngs of people streaming from the White House to Capitol Hill for more than three hours.”
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Here's one thing i love about this board...its a microcosm of America. Its pretty easy to figure out where everybody falls out on all this crap. I have to say that people here have changed their minds on Ol' Barry after the last few months. For those who haven't what exactly did ur boy say on Tuesday night? Having suffered through it, I'd have to say nothing. He provided nothing new other then he wants a bill past. He says nothing all the time...Hil would have bored us with facts, but atleast she had em. People don't want this, they want reform, u can do that easily with both parties readily agreeing and compromising. He says and does nothing.....
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HH - I was trying to show that you were posting accurate info
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The Right gloated about having 1.5 to 2 million.
They didn't get them.
that's all that's being debated now. i think we're underestimating how awesome it is that 60,000 people showed up in a district like DC to protest the way things are going... dems sure as hell dont have that kinda initiative since obama won.
Still, they did gloat about the numbers, and the real numbers are about 20x smaller than they gloated, so they're gonna get heat for it. You KONW what 2 million looks like in DC - obama had it recently. this was nowhere near that. Irresponsible journalism to report it - even if the event organizers were screaming '2 million, baby!!'
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Here's one thing i love about this board...its a microcosm of America. Its pretty easy to figure out where everybody falls out on all this crap. I have to say that people here have changed their minds on Ol' Barry after the last few months. For those who haven't what exactly did ur boy say on Tuesday night? Having suffered through it, I'd have to say nothing. He provided nothing new other then he wants a bill past. He says nothing all the time...Hil would have bored us with facts, but atleast she had em. People don't want this, they want reform, u can do that easily with both parties readily agreeing and compromising. He says and does nothing.....
HH you're shootin' in all directions here. Look, if you want to repeat slogans, go ahead, but listen to what people are telling you. I, for one, did not like Obama from day 1. I did, however, miss this level of presidential scrutiny from your side when FUCKUP BUSH was in power. And he fucked up alright!! Where were you pussies then?! Huh?!
To me this is a party-less war. There's no left. There's no right. There's only the American People. But when you hear stuff about liberal this treehugger that, et cetera, you're only repeating slogans and missing the point.
So, in essence, if you want the right, and only the right, to fight this battle, you guys are doing a great job. If you want to be inclusive and worry about ALL Americans then tone it down and let's talk this out over a joint and a beer. Or both.
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The right isn't fighting this battle...they may well be organizing it but many of these people are independents. I agree with most of ur last 2 posts. I prefer to stay on target with this one but as for slogans and blaming Bush. I won't blame him for Iraq because he thought as did many, they had weapons etc....we disagree so we can leave it at that, its not my main point. I don't blame him from deregulation or housing because the damm Dems caused as much damage and lined their pockets witn the damage that was done. I can blame Bush for taking his mandate and Congress and not slashing tons of wasteful projects and spending, especially since we were at war. We had big gov dem spending and big war repub spending, u can't have both. And Bush was the first to intro the Tarp carp....The Repubs failed to push Bush into spending cuts along with cutting taxes....u can't have both. Now we have Barry and the knee jerk reaction to Bush, with buyers remorse. Would Hil allow douchbags like Van Johnson...would she not give facts and atleast try and work with repubs. She knew very well how Bill was able to succeed with help. This guy is a danger to this country. U dems need to take back ur party. People can't talk to this guy, he represents the far left of the party, despite his bullshit. IF this continues, he'll loose Congress and we'll be deadlocked. It won't be 1994 and compromise, it will be deadlock. Nothing will get done and this country will spiral downward. We will get attacked again, home or abroad and we may not have the power projection to do much, right off the bat. My conern remains foreign policy and the military...Barry is at the point that if he wants to get re-elected he has to pull out of Afghanistan. His base is pissed...his only allies on Afghanistan are the Repubs. There is so much....u can keep ur joint..I'll order a big draft and we can sort this out.
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I think there were 400 000 at the Simon and Garfunkel concert in 1980.
The biggest soccer game ever had 225 000 fans.
The Million Men march, where male negroes paraded, is estimated at around 400 000.
So are any of you actually believing a 2 million number?
probably more like 10 000-20 000.
Which is still very impressive IMO.
good to see people being involved in politics.
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I got excited, in all the videos I've watched, I finally spotted 1 black face... unfortunately he was reporting for msnbc lol...
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I'm not sure this thread title is accurate, in light of all the # details that have emerged
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I'm not sure this thread title is accurate, in light of all the # details that have emerged
but but but... This thing is growing by the day :D
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but but but... This thing is growing by the day :D
Not the march, the movement of people taking action against the leviathian we have in DC.
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I really like how they had to attribute the original claims of 2 million to ABC News. That was the only way to get the rumor off the ground. Because if it were attributed to FAUX, no one would have believed it for a nanosecond as they have no credibility in the first place.
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You guys that are calling this protest a failure are forgetting one big thing. When these protests started it only drew a few hundred people. Then a few thousend. Now it passed a hundred thousend for sure (deny it all you want). This is all in a span of months, next time it may very well be one million.
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It's laughable how this is being played down.
Hey, 240, Obama current ratings are just where I predicted at the beginning. Look at the trend: http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx?version=print
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Hey, 240, Obama current ratings are just where I predicted at the beginning. Look at the trend: http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx?version=print
Gallup has him at 53% today.
After 8 months of doing every lib move imaginable, over 1/2 of the country still supports the guy. Unreal.
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Gallup has him at 53% today.
After 8 months of doing every lib move imaginable, over 1/2 of the country still supports the guy. Unreal.
The country is split 50-50,why would that surprise you.The surprising thing is that he dropped that quickly[faster then ANY president since WW2]with a media that sucks his dick every single solitary day.Hes been on the cover of TIME about 20 times.Hes been on 60 minutes three times now[that are little more then info-mercials],ABC actually HAD an info-mercial for him.
His drop shows how poorly he has done and what an absolute failure he is.He has a democratic congress,a democratic senate,a media that is fully behind EVERYTHING he is doing, and says those who oppose are racists, and yet his poll numbers plummet.Pretty staggering how quickly he has stepped into his own pile of shit.In 7 months he has managed to bring conservatives back to life.
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The country is split 50-50,why would that surprise you.The surprising thing is that he dropped that quickly[faster then ANY president since WW2]with a media that sucks his dick every single solitary day.Hes been on the cover of TIME about 20 times.Hes been on 60 minutes three times now[that are little more then info-mercials],ABC actually HAD an info-mercial for him.
His drop shows how poorly he has done and what an absolute failure he is.He has a democratic congress,a democratic senate,a media that is fully behind EVERYTHING he is doing, and says those who oppose are racists, and yet his poll numbers plummet.Pretty staggering how quickly he has stepped into his own pile of shit.In 7 months he has managed to bring conservatives back to life.
Exactly - he has had the media 1000% behind him the entire time and still is only at 50%.
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Exactly - he has had the media 1000% behind him the entire time and still is only at 50%.
The conservative media is pretty powerful, and a political climate like this makes it more influential. The precipitous drop has less to do with "how poorly he's done" than the fact that he's actually spent the first part of his term tying to get a lot done.
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The conservative media is pretty powerful, and a political climate like this makes it more influential. The precipitous drop has less to do with "how poorly he's done" than the fact that he's actually spent the first part of his term tying to get a lot done.
Al - the problem is his priorities.
With 10% UE and the economy in the toilet, people wonder why he would push Cap & Trade, Health Care, and continue to push budget busting programs etc.
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Exactly - he has had the media 1000% behind him the entire time and still is only at 50%.
FOX news is included in the media.
Is Fox news 1000% behind him, champ?
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Fox's "Sea of People" a mile long through the mall :D
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Al - the problem is his priorities.
With 10% UE and the economy in the toilet, people wonder why he would push Cap & Trade, Health Care, and continue to push budget busting programs etc.
That's an incaccurate oversimplification.
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33, just curious. Now that we know for a fact the number of 9/12'ers was no where near 2mil, why didnt you edit the title ???
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33, just curious. Now that we know for a fact the number of 9/12'ers was no where near 2mil, why didnt you edit the title ???
I was dreaming about banging Eva Mendez and was in a daze. ;D.
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I was dreaming about banging Eva Mendez and was in a daze. ;D.
dreaming of hollywood movie stars.
marx was wrong. Hollywood is the epitome of the masses.
this country is going to hell in a martha stuart handbasket
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dreaming of hollywood movie stars.
marx was wrong. Hollywood is the epitome of the masses.
this country is going to hell in a martha stuart handbasket
Ha ha. Would you prefer me dreaming aboutr banging Palin?
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That's an incaccurate oversimplification.
Ha ha. Yeah, the taxpayers are just in love with the idea of being taxed to death, lose the purchasing value fo their dollar, and have a DMV style health bill rammed down their throats?
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dreaming of hollywood movie stars.
marx was wrong. Hollywood is the epitome of the masses.
this country is going to hell in a martha stuart handbasket
Are you gay bro?
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Ha ha. Yeah, the taxpayers are just in love with the idea of being taxed to death, lose the purchasing value fo their dollar, and have a DMV style health bill rammed down their throats?
Nice straw man argument, but that doesn't change that fact that it's an inaccurate oversimplification.
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Nice straw man argument, but that doesn't change that fact that it's an inaccurate oversimplification.
Ok, since I am such a simpleton in your eyes, why dont you tell me why Dear Leader has caused people into the streets and a major loss of popularity?
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The conservative media is pretty powerful, and a political climate like this makes it more influential.
Do you really believe that?
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Ok, since I am such a simpleton in your eyes, why dont you tell me why Dear Leader has caused people into the streets and a major loss of popularity?
I never said you were a simpleton. I said your post was inaccurate and an oversimplification.
Any president is going to suffer a loss of popularity, especially if they came into office especially popular. I was responding not only to your post, but to the post you quoted and agreed with, as well.
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Do you really believe that?
Which part are you disputing? The fact that a government run by Democrats is a boon for the conservative media? Or the fact that even if you discount the internet and talk radio, msm isn't anywhere near as left-leaning as conservatives like to paint it? Even Drudge has stopped milking that cow.
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Which part are you disputing? The fact that a government run by Democrats is a boon for the conservative media? Or the fact that even if you discount the internet and talk radio, msm isn't anywhere near as left-leaning as conservatives like to paint it? Even Drudge has stopped milking that cow.
I suppose I would dispute that "The conservative media is pretty powerful". I think you're probably right about having a lib in office helps it, but I wouldn't consider it "pretty powerful". Just a judgement call I guess.