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I heard on the news recent talk of cassini orbiting Saturn and immediately thought of the post I put up some weeks ago about NASA crashing Cassini into Saturn with over 70 pounds of plutonium in order to ignite the planet into a second star in our solar system. I found some information giving dates as to when this event is supposed to happen. These Luciferians tried to ignite Jupiter with Galileo, which had about 50 pounds of plutonium, but it failed. This new attempt with the smaller Saturn but a greater amount of plutonium is hoped by these luciferian nuts to accomplish the task. If any of you remember the movie 2010 you'll remember at the end one of the astronauts looked back in space to see Jupiter burning as a second sun. As i understand Saturn was always the main objective in this project (as this article below explains) but it was altered adn Jupiter made the focus. Now in 2010 (now) the plan is to crash Cassini into Saturn in hopes of igniting it for the reason of supposedly warming up Saturns moons so they can be made habitable....Uh Yeah!!! Read Below...
Possible Timing of an Event
Refer to the diagram on the last page of this report for dates and symbols referenced here.
Starting with the obvious, in A.C. Clarke’s novel “2010”, Jupiter is turned into a star called ‘Lucifer’. If Clarke (now deceased) had any kind of inside knowledge at all, the year 2010 should be a year to look at closely for such an event to be construed. It is important to note that Clarke intended to write the novel “2010” about Saturn and in fact had done so in the prequel “2001” with full purpose to continue the adventure there, but he was convinced by others, including Stanley Kubrick, to change the mark to Jupiter for what seemed to be very weak reasons.
Also note that Clarke was a Luciferian evidenced by his spoken philosophies in his interviews and books. A Luciferian philosophy is one that expects man to eventually achieve “godlike” status by effort of the mind, scientific illuminism, scientific enlightenment, and human progress. It discards all world religions as infantile and hindering to man.
In this philosophy Lucifer is not actually a deity or entity but an ideal of “seeking the light of knowledge”.
There are at least two indications of the end of the “Equinox Mission”.
* One is implied for July/03/2010 on NASA’s Cassini tour schedule where Cassini is to make its last
currently scheduled engine burn 12
*Another is shown on an “Equinox Mission” announcement banner showing “September 2010” as
the end 13
Taking both into consideration we should initially look at a range of July to September 2010 for this mission to wind down and finish. When Galileo was sent into Jupiter, it took several months to complete the final orbit since Galileo was evidently required to make a lengthy outward bound in order to accomplish its equatorial plunge correctly. Assuming similar measures would be required for Cassini we should allow a few months for the final orbit to occur.
However, as with Galileo, the extra time for the final orbit should be somewhat figured into the mission length already by canceling a few irrelevant maneuvers at the end of the mission.
According to the timing of the plunge and circumstantial evidence of a fission event 27+ days later from the Galileo Pu-238 fuel cylinders’ dive, we have established this as our first period of time lapse between the two (27+ days). Factoring in the difference in settings between Jupiter and Saturn, namely Saturn being half as dense, smaller, and possibly taking a polar strike instead of equatorial plunge as with Galileo, as well as a longer amount of time elapsed for the decay of the plutonium in Cassini, we must apply an uncertainty factor to this 27 day period.
Arbitrarily we have selected a factor range of roughly one-third to triple to be safe, netting a span of 10 to 80 days wait period instead of 27+. For example, assume an actual plunge on 07/09/10 would net a potential event somewhere between July/18/2010 to September/28/2010, September/09/2010 being a symbolic date in that range (for reasons to be shown shortly).
Effects from any ejecta traveling to Earth from Saturn from a significant event would be felt 1 to 5 weeks later on Earth depending on the speed of the particles and molecules ejected. This could be a continuous stream in this time frame or possibly just a few bursts from anytime within this range. It’s reasonable to conclude that lighter elements would arrive first, heavier elements later.
For the timing of such an event we start by looking for astronomical/astrological significance for the general time of the end of the “Equinox Mission” as this Cassini extension is called. If there is to be some alignment with a plunge or ignition of Saturn with significant celestial events it seems reasonable to choose from these dates for potential mission ending events.
Noting that on both 07/09/10 (six days after Cassini’s last noted task on NASA’s tour guide) and 09/09/10 (and in between these two dates), Saturn is very close to a celestial triple intersection in the sky, based on the Celestial Autumnal Equinox of the Equatorial Coordinate System (ecliptic line meets celestial meridian line meets celestial equatorial line, where RA=12, and Dec=0).14
We can further attribute significance to these dates especially considering that Cassini’s mission is called the “Equinox Mission” (the reason stated by NASA is that Saturn’s own vernal (spring) equinox occurs during this mission on 08/11/09 with its tilt regarding the Sun).15 Note that “The Equinox” is also the name of an extensive work by Aleister Crowley in which the meridian points of space discussed here are very prominent in the writing.
Crowley established the “OTO” (Ordo Templi Orientis) which was a group with a Luciferian philosophy that was the main influence and forerunner to the “Brotherhood of Saturn” (Fraternitas Saturni), which is considered by some, including Dr. Stephen E. Flowers, as the most influential modern occult German order, an order which considers Saturn’s movements (and often Uranus’s) most important.16
When Aries and Libra points are discussed in “The Equinox” book, these refer to the Sun at two celestial meridian line crossings, at 0 (RA=0) and 180 (RA=12) degrees.
*Our 07/09/10 point for Saturn, at the end of Virgo House just before Libra House (the autumnal equinox Sun location), is the latter.17 In other words, Saturn is at the equinox line on 07/09/10, the same line the Sun will be on 09/22/10 (Earth’s autumnal equinox).
*On 09/09/10 Saturn reaches the Declination point of 0.0.
*09/09/10 is thirteen days before Earth’s autumnal equinox, sometimes called the Virgo Equinox,18
and is also Rosh Hashanah for 2010 (sundown on the 8th and into the 9th). So a possible
speculation at this point is that if a plunge-ignition plan is to be in place at the end of the Equinox
Mission of Cassini, it will symbolically occur in the Virgo constellation near RA=12.0, Dec=0.0. This
is very near to the Virgo star called Zaniah (meaning “angel” or “harlot”).
*09/09/10 seems to be the strongest power point and might be chosen as the entry time or the
planned ignition event. One potential plan could be to plunge on 07/09/10, Saturn at RA=12.0, and
hope for an event around two months later on 09/09/10, Saturn at Dec=0.0 at 3:29 pm EDT.
*09/09/10 offers other power points, a New Moon only a few hours old present just below Saturn at
this time, and Saturn inside two symbolic triangles Arcturus-Spica-Regulus and nearly exactly at
the center of Chi-Xi-Stigma Virginis (the last star in this set, Stigma Virginis, is also known as a
3+3 double star called Porrima A & B, or Digamma Virginis).
Chi-Xi-Stigma is an ancient apocalyptic symbol and also a self-given Aleister Crowley reference which I will leave to your own follow-up for fear of getting too far out of line.
In addition to these power points, author David Ovason also describes the Arcturus-Spica-Regulus triangle as important in secret elite circles in his book entitled “Secret Architecture of our Nation’s Capital”. 19 For all dates listed here, Saturn is within this triangle. Also Ovason mentions the significance of the equilateral triangle of Arcturus-Denebola-Spica (as noted by A. Pike) which our speculation point for Saturn on 09/09/10 sits centered underneath in the sky near the Celestial Meridian.
Briefly described here, Ovason supports a theory in which foundation stones of several landmark buildings of Washington D.C. were laid aligning with sky events at 23.4°+/- Virgo during construction of prominent Washington D.C. structures as well as important buildings aligned with the horizon rising of fixed stars of Arcturus, Spica, and Regulus. Saturn moves from 23° to 24° Virgo from 09/02/09 to 09/09/09 near a star called Zavijava (meaning, “the point of turning” or “the angle”).
One additional item applying to both 09/09/10 and 09/09/09 is that both of these potential ignition event scenarios offer a Sun shield effect for earth in the result of any significant ejecta actually exploding out from Saturn and consequently reaching Earth days to weeks later. In other words, at the time that ejecta would be approaching Earth from Saturn, it would have to cross the Sun directly as the Saturn-Sun conjuncts, as viewed from earth, occur within two to three weeks (10/01/10 & 09/18/09 respectively) of the above-stated Sept. dates; this line of reasoning assumes the Sun could divert and/or swallow some of the ejecta that would otherwise hit Earth in such a case.
Of special note, consider that Saturn’s retrograde pause (a planetary pause just before a planet appears to move backwards as viewed from Earth) in late 2008 culminates on 01/01/09 at around 21° Virgo and then heads backwards towards Chi Leo pausing on 05/18/09 before going forward again.
These retrograde pauses should always be considered for contrived events since they are significant to some. Also note that Saturn’s 2010 retrograde (retrograde is sometimes symbolized as “Px”) loop starts 01/14/10 and straddles RA=12 and Dec=0 just above the Equatorial Coordinate System triple intersection. Hours later (into 01/15/10), while Saturn is still pretty much in the same spot, just a bit in retrograde, there is a perfect annular eclipse occurring out of view from Washington D.C (7:07 UT, 2:07 am ET) at 19h 47m with Venus just below.
Summarizing some of the more symbolic times as far as celestial symbology is concerned for Saturn’s path (Cassini plunge or fission event) in chronological order:
*01/01/09 – Retrograde pause, New Year, 21º+ Virgo
*05/18/09 – Retrograde pause, near Chi Leo
*09/09/09 – Last day 23º Virgo, Special symbolic date, near Zavijava, D.C. foundations (D. Ovason)
*10/22/09 – Meridian crossing
*01/14(&15)/10 – Retrograde pause, A-D-S triangle, near C-X-S triangle center, near Declination
0.0, near Zaniah, perfect annular eclipse (Jan. 15th)
*04/21/10 – Meridian crossing
*05/31/10 – Near meridian crossing, retrograde pause, near Zavijava
*06/08/10 – 1st Uranus-Jupiter conjunct (close conjunct on the Celestial Vernal Equinox directly
opposite Saturn at this time)
*06/26/10 – Partial lunar eclipse, straddles RA=0 and Dec=0
*07/09/10 – Meridian crossing, near one declared end mission time, total solar eclipse 07/11/10
*09/09/10 – A-D-S triangle, C-X-S triangle center, Declination 0.0, near Zaniah, near one declared
end mission time, New Moon below
*09/18/10 – 2nd Uranus-Jupiter conjunct on the Celestial Vernal Equinox (nearly opposite Saturn at
this time)
*10/08/10 – Mercury-Saturn conjunct
For all dates above Saturn is within the D. Ovason A-S-R triangle. (Arcturus-Spica-Regulus)
*A-D-S = Albert Pike’s Arcturus-Denebola-Spica equilateral triangle (Saturn centered below this)
*C-X-S = Chi-Xi-Stigma triangle within the Virgo constellation (Saturn centered in this)
The diagram below illustrates the power points just described.
(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/luciferproject09_01.jpg)
information on the star chart is from “Starry Night” program
Up to the later part of 2010, the July/09/2010 to September/09/2010 combination, 01/14(&15)/10, and 09/09/09 seem strong for contrived symbolic sky events. Multiple other dates discussed above seem moderately strong. Saturn (and Cassini if still orbiting) continues on past Porrima in October/November of 2010.
With respect to “Constellation vs. House”, because of precession, most of the Virgo constellation is now in Libra House.
References
1. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_luciferproject05.htm
2. http://yowusa.com/space/2003/space-2003-09a/1.shtml
3. http://www.enterprisemission.com/NukingJupiter.html
4. http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/jupiter_dark_spot_031023.html
5. http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/saturn/lpnew.htm
6. http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-55.htm
7. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-19122765.html
8. http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/06057A/USA_193_NOTAM_unverified.pdf
9. http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/lunar.html
10. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_Bethlehem
11. http://www.electric-cosmos.org/indexOLD.htm
12. http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/cassini-calendar-2010.cfm
13. http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=3129
14. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_coordinate_system
15. http://ciclops.org/view_event/87/Cassinis_Next_Chapter_Begins?js=1
16. http://www.scribd.com/doc/3416535/Fire-and-Ice-The-Brotherhood-of-Saturn-OCRv1
17. http://www.the-equinox.org/
18.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equinox
19. http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Architecture-Our-Nations-Capital/dp/0060195371
Other Links:
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternitas_Saturni More information on the “Brotherhood of Saturn”
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when I have the time, real or not. I enjoy reading this crap. :D
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when I have the time, real or not. I enjoy reading this crap. :D
I hope it is CRAP, but I have to face the reality that it is not. After NASA detonated a Plutonium bomb with fifty pound of Plutonium in it and an EARTH SIZED EXPLOSION occurring on Jupiter in 2003, I don't doubt those Luciferians at NASA and in the US government will not do the same to Saturn. BTW..Just one pound of Plutonium will kill ALL LIFE ON EARTH.
So be aware sometime around the dates mentioned in the article of a possible flash in the night sky...If you see a planet engulfed in flames and the media giving all manner of bullshit excuses on what it is...You will know at that instant that these fools plans have been a success
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After NASA detonated a Plutonium bomb with fifty pound of Plutonium in it and an EARTH SIZED EXPLOSION occurring on Jupiter in 2003, I don't doubt those Luciferians at NASA and in the US government will not do the same to Saturn. BTW..Just one pound of Plutonium will kill ALL LIFE ON EARTH.
Couple of points:
...50 lbs of plutonium is approximately 10 ten times the critical mass for plutonium (ten times over the limit where plutonium spontaneously fissions). Such an amount of plutonium would need to be divided into 20 or more triggering slugs, which makes proper compression impractical... besides such a huge amount of plutonium would be used in conjunction with an inordinate amount of enriched (fissionable) uranium, making the resultant warhead the biggest and heaviest thing ever put into orbit. It's just not a viable device... a good analogy would be the feasibility of a 50 ton bullet.
...one pound of plutonium would only kill all life on earth only if it were atomised and each individual living organism were administered it's precise designated share of atoms. Again, not really feasible.
...Saturn wouldn't burn.
And finally:
...this conspiracy theory is simply bat-shit crazy.
Guess it's true what they say... you gotta know science to talk science.
The Luke
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Couple of points:
...50 lbs of plutonium is approximately 10 ten times the critical mass for plutonium (ten times over the limit where plutonium spontaneously fissions). Such an amount of plutonium would need to be divided into 20 or more triggering slugs, which makes proper compression impractical... besides such a huge amount of plutonium would be used in conjunction with an inordinate amount of enriched (fissionable) uranium, making the resultant warhead the biggest and heaviest thing ever put into orbit. It's just not a viable device... a good analogy would be the feasibility of a 50 ton bullet.
...one pound of plutonium would only kill all life on earth only if it were atomised and each individual living organism were administered it's precise designated share of atoms. Again, not really feasible.
...Saturn wouldn't burn.
And finally:
...this conspiracy theory is simply bat-shit crazy.
Guess it's true what they say... you gotta know science to talk science.
The Luke
You have added nothing to this discussion. The point is this is an actual project by NASA, NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY. As I said and the article says, the first attempt to detonate Jupiter occurred in 2003...produced an earth sized explosion but no blazing fireball. Second attempt now involves more plutonium on a smaller planet with a different chemistry. TO give the hypothesis you gave about necessary factors for an explosion to occurs on earth is just that A HYPOTHESIS, as the factors of earth are entirely different than Jupiter or Saturn. How radioactive reactions occur in space, on planets with massive gravities, different chemistry, incredible atmospheric pressures etc etc...could be the difference between a big KABOOM or a big SILENCE. Nonetheless the point in my article is not that the KABOOM could or could not happen, but the fact that MAD MEN are trying to bring this to fruition.
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makes you wonder about who Kubrick was close with.
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makes you wonder about who Kubrick was close with.
He is or should I say he was an insider of the 33rd degree kind. That black and red ritual in EYES WIDE SHUT and the igniting of Jupiter in 2010 SPACE ODYSSEY is an inside look into the world of freemasony rituals and things they desire to do.... The Black and Red clothing of EYES WIDE SHUT also speaks of the Bohemian Grove rituals where they dress and do the same thing...
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He is or should I say he was an insider of the 33rd degree kind. That black and red ritual in EYES WIDE SHUT and the igniting of Jupiter in 2010 SPACE ODYSSEY is an inside look into the world of freemasony rituals and things they desire to do.... The Black and Red clothing of EYES WIDE SHUT also speaks of the Bohemian Grove rituals where they dress and do the same thing...
Not doubting you, just curious... Do you have any thing to back that up?
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Not doubting you, just curious... Do you have any thing to back that up?
I couldn't find anything on it, maybe Samson has something... but I was shocked to learn this: Michael Richards is a 33rd degree Scottish Rite Mason. lol...
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I couldn't find anything on it, maybe Samson has something... but I was shocked to learn this: Michael Richards is a 33rd degree Scottish Rite Mason. lol...
HAHA
I saw that on Wikipedia a while back. I've read a million books on Freemasonry now, everything I can get my hands on really. So far I've got a high opinion of this group... Plus, my hero Dave Thomas made it to the honorary 33rd... :)
I think it's interesting how Manly P. Hall points out that they're basically a modern version of the ancient mysteries.
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HAHA
I saw that on Wikipedia a while back. I've read a million books on Freemasonry now, everything I can get my hands on really. So far I've got a high opinion of this group... Plus, my hero Dave Thomas made it to the honorary 33rd... :)
I think it's interesting how Manly P. Hall points out that they're basically a modern version of the ancient mysteries.
yea, the mysteries come into play quite a bit, especially with rosicrucians and stuff. I posted an old ass book about a week ago dealing with masonic conspiracy. Don't know if you saw it.
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yea, the mysteries come into play quite a bit, especially with rosicrucians and stuff. I posted an old ass book about a week ago dealing with masonic conspiracy. Don't know if you saw it.
Yeah, I book marked it but forgot all about it. I'm going to check it out now! Thanks 8)
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You have added nothing to this discussion. The point is this is an actual project by NASA, NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY. As I said and the article says, the first attempt to detonate Jupiter occurred in 2003...produced an earth sized explosion but no blazing fireball. Second attempt now involves more plutonium on a smaller planet with a different chemistry. TO give the hypothesis you gave about necessary factors for an explosion to occurs on earth is just that A HYPOTHESIS, as the factors of earth are entirely different than Jupiter or Saturn. How radioactive reactions occur in space, on planets with massive gravities, different chemistry, incredible atmospheric pressures etc etc...could be the difference between a big KABOOM or a big SILENCE. Nonetheless the point in my article is not that the KABOOM could or could not happen, but the fact that MAD MEN are trying to bring this to fruition.
Good rebuttal. You refuted NOTHING. ::)
Judging by this post, it's pretty clear that you know absolutely nothing about physics. So much for that engineer career.
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Not doubting you, just curious... Do you have any thing to back that up?
Right at this instant I do not know of anyone or have anything stating directly that Kubrick is a MEMBER, however you are all to aware at this point that only 'MEMBERS' get to move up into high society. Look at your acclaimed actors, politicians, musicians, leaders, etc etc...They are always a part of some Temple, mason hall or masonic group and flashing the hand signs. For Kubrick, there has been so much Illuminati, Mason references in just about ALL of his movies that it is impossible that he was NOT one of them. Especially with EYES WIDE SHUT and 2010 the exposing of rituals, cultic acts, masonic future plans etc this would only be known by someone from the INSIDE. Also Kubrick has never said he made a movie or used these symbols based on research or some insider who revealed these things to him. So my only opinion is he knows these things from being an insider. Not to mention again that only the 'MEMBERS' get to ride the wave of FAME AND FORTUNE like Kubrick did. His downfall in his mysterious death (which was 666 days before 2010 movie release) may have been, as believed by many, was due to him exposing TOO MUCH...
http://foundingfather1776.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/the-genius-of-stanley-kubrick/
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Right at this instant I do not know of anyone or have anything stating directly that Kubrick is a MEMBER, however you are all to aware at this point that only 'MEMBERS' get to move up into high society. Look at your acclaimed actors, politicians, musicians, leaders, etc etc...They are always a part of some Temple, mason hall or masonic group and flashing the hand signs. For Kubrick, there has been so much Illuminati, Mason references in just about ALL of his movies that it is impossible that he was NOT one of them. Especially with EYES WIDE SHUT and 2010 the exposing of rituals, cultic acts, masonic future plans etc this would only be known by someone from the INSIDE. Also Kubrick has never said he made a movie or used these symbols based on research or some insider who revealed these things to him. So my only opinion is he knows these things from being an insider. Not to mention again that only the 'MEMBERS' get to ride the wave of FAME AND FORTUNE like Kubrick did. His downfall in his mysterious death (which was 666 days before 2010 movie release) may have been, as believed by many, was due to him exposing TOO MUCH...
http://foundingfather1776.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/the-genius-of-stanley-kubrick/
Interesting, thanks for posting!
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Now please refute The Luke's post beyond showing that you have no grasp of physics.
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Now please refute The Luke's post beyond showing that you have no grasp of physics.
At first thought, it seems like any planet with the chemical makeup to become a star, or be ignited, would have already somehow ignited.
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Now please refute The Luke's post beyond showing that you have no grasp of physics.
If Luke can not understand the difference between earth and one of the gas giants then there is little I can do to make him understand that what is possible on earth is IMPOSSIBLE on the gas giants. The sun is not merely some ball of gas burning in space. Hydrogen, Oxygen, Methane are highly explosive on earth in an oxygen rich environment but in space they are inert gases. To assume the criteria for a reaction on earth will work on another planet of different physical characteristics and properties is foolish....
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Funny thread...
If Luke can not understand the difference between earth and one of the gas giants then there is little I can do to make him understand that what is possible on earth is IMPOSSIBLE on the gas giants. The sun is not merely some ball of gas burning in space. Hydrogen, Oxygen, Methane are highly explosive on earth in an oxygen rich environment but in space they are inert gases. To assume the criteria for a reaction on earth will work on another planet of different physical characteristics and properties is foolish....
Nuclear reactions are not dependent on chemistry... they are nuclear reactions, not chemical reactions.
You cannot ignite a gas giant with a nuclear bomb. There isn't enough oxygen (or similar reactive element) to sustain such a reaction.
You cannot trigger a self-sustaining thermonuclear reaction either (which is what I think you meant, but not what you wrote) in a gas giant such as either Jupiter or Saturn by means of a nuclear explosion, no matter what the magnitude of such an explosion.
Stanley Kubrick had nothing to do with the movie "2010: A Space Odyssey" (1984) in which an alien intelligence converted Jupiter into a white dwarf star in order to nurture burgeoning life on its moon Europa.
See for yourself: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086837/fullcredits#cast ...actually a good movie.
Stanley Kubrick directed and help write the 1968 movie "2001: A Space Odyssey". A seminal movie no doubt, but does not include the conversion of Jupiter into a proto star as a plot point.
You cannot use 50 or 70 lbs of plutonium in a nuclear warhead... not only is it cost-prohibitive (plutonium is NOT naturally occuring), but plutonium is only used as a trigger in nuclear warheads... if you are using 50 lbs of plutonium in the trigger, how many trigger pieces (smaller than the critical mass of approximately 4 lbs) would that require? How much enriched uranium would you be using? How much tritium? How big would the warhead be?
Nuclear bombs behave the same way no matter where they are... on Earth, in space or on any another planet. The only situation under which a nuclear warhead would behave in any unpredictable way would be in a situation wherein the laws of physics have changed... that only happens inside a black hole.
It's physics, it's not location dependent... you are confusing science with magic.
One is reality... the other is delusion.
The Luke
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Funny thread...
Nuclear reactions are not dependent on chemistry... they are nuclear reactions, not chemical reactions.
You cannot ignite a gas giant with a nuclear bomb. There isn't enough oxygen (or similar reactive element) to sustain such a reaction.
You cannot trigger a self-sustaining thermonuclear reaction either (which is what I think you meant, but not what you wrote) in a gas giant such as either Jupiter or Saturn by means of a nuclear explosion, no matter what the magnitude of such an explosion.
Stanley Kubrick had nothing to do with the movie "2010: A Space Odyssey" (1984) in which an alien intelligence converted Jupiter into a white dwarf star in order to nurture burgeoning life on its moon Europa.
See for yourself: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086837/fullcredits#cast ...actually a good movie.
Stanley Kubrick directed and help write the 1968 movie "2001: A Space Odyssey". A seminal movie no doubt, but does not include the conversion of Jupiter into a proto star as a plot point.
You cannot use 50 or 70 lbs of plutonium in a nuclear warhead... not only is it cost-prohibitive (plutonium is NOT naturally occuring), but plutonium is only used as a trigger in nuclear warheads... if you are using 50 lbs of plutonium in the trigger, how many trigger pieces (smaller than the critical mass of approximately 4 lbs) would that require? How much enriched uranium would you be using? How much tritium? How big would the warhead be?
Nuclear bombs behave the same way no matter where they are... on Earth, in space or on any another planet. The only situation under which a nuclear warhead would behave in any unpredictable way would be in a situation wherein the laws of physics have changed... that only happens inside a black hole.
It's physics, it's not situation dependent... you are confusing science with magic.
One is reality... the other is delusion.
The Luke
Damn Samson. You just got bitch slapped.
Thought you were an engineer? Gimmick exposed for being uneducated trash. ::)
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Absolutely awesome thread. Facts can spell trouble to any 'creative' conspiracy theory.
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Funny thread...
Nuclear reactions are not dependent on chemistry... they are nuclear reactions, not chemical reactions.
If it is not dependent on chemistry and the physical differences between earth and Jupiter...why is Jupiter not burning right now? You do realize that the goal was to get the chemicals of methane, nitrogen and hydrogen which are abundant on Jupiter to ignite using the plutonium explosion??? You do know that don't you???
You cannot ignite a gas giant with a nuclear bomb. There isn't enough oxygen (or similar reactive element) to sustain such a reaction.
First..
Why is the SUN burning then???
Second..
Are you a part of NASA of the Luciferians who wish(ed) to ignite one of the gas giants? Let me know, because I can then direct you to them and have you explain to them how WRONG they are in thinking their task is possible and save your american tax payers BILLIONS of dollars in sending these covert nuclear bombs into space. Oh and BTW..let me remind you for the thousandth time that this project is NOT my opinion or doing, but those in NASA/Government who have and are doing it.
You cannot trigger a self-sustaining thermonuclear reaction either (which is what I think you meant, but not what you wrote) in a gas giant such as either Jupiter or Saturn by means of a nuclear explosion, no matter what the magnitude of such an explosion.
UH..Again.. I did not say it!!!...it is the will/desire/thinking of NASA and the Lucifs who are behind this who said or think this is possible. So far as your comment, it (nuclear reaction) is applicable only on earth...NOT IN SPACE OR ON ANOTHER PLANET (how many times have I said that). You don't know what will happen on another planet or in space due to the differences.
Stanley Kubrick had nothing to do with the movie "2010: A Space Odyssey" (1984) in which an alien intelligence converted Jupiter into a white dwarf star in order to nurture burgeoning life on its moon Europa.
See for yourself: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086837/fullcredits#cast ...actually a good movie.
I brought up 2010 to reference the fact that the Lucifs and NASA desire igniting Jupiter. Why do you think the scene of Jupiter burning in the movie as a second sun is there?
Stanley Kubrick directed and help write the 1968 movie "2001: A Space Odyssey". A seminal movie no doubt, but does not include the conversion of Jupiter into a proto star as a plot point.
In the movie 2001 there is a monolith discovered on the moon that transmits signals to JUPITER, which then sparks and investigation and trip toward Jupiter where another monolith (bigger than the one on the moon) is discovered circling Jupiter. The movie 2010 is the sequal though not said to 2001 which follows up with turning Jupiter into a blazing star.
You cannot use 50 or 70 lbs of plutonium in a nuclear warhead... not only is it cost-prohibitive (plutonium is NOT naturally occuring), but plutonium is only used as a trigger in nuclear warheads... if you are using 50 lbs of plutonium in the trigger, how many trigger pieces (smaller than the critical mass of approximately 4 lbs) would that require? How much enriched uranium would you be using? How much tritium? How big would the warhead be?
You're joking with this comment right???...DO you think the american government gives a damn about cost when it comes to these things? You think they care that trillions have been spent on Iraq and Afghanistan...NO. They are only concerned about their desired goal. And again...I am only stating the FACTS of NASA in the goal to ignite Saturn since the Jupiter mission in 2003 which detonated 50 pounds of plutonium on Jupiter and produced an earth sized fire ball but no "second sun in the solar system".
Nuclear bombs behave the same way no matter where they are... on Earth, in space or on any another planet. The only situation under which a nuclear warhead would behave in any unpredictable way would be in a situation wherein the laws of physics have changed... that only happens inside a black hole.
Present your proof of this since nuclear bombs have only exploded on earth and produced the desired results. If what you say is true WHY IS JUPITER NOT BURNING RIGHT NOW!!!!!
It's physics, it's not location dependent... you are confusing science with magic.
HAHAHAH... so called science has claimed to know everythign, but when put to the test falls flat on its face. If the physics/science is so accurate WHY IS JUPITER NOT BURNING RIGHT NOW???
One is reality... the other is delusion.
You're right...the delusion is that you put all of your trust in science of which understanding is little.
The Luke
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TheLuke is actually dead-on with the science aspect:
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Will Galileo Make Jupiter a Star?
September 14, 2003
Update (November 14, 2003): It turns out that I made an error in one of my arguments on the original version of this page. It doesn't affect the end result (that Galileo cannot blow up like a bomb), but I want to make sure I am honest here. I don't want this to get in the way of the main point, so I am putting the explanation of my error at the bottom of this page. This page now reflects the current arguments. Here is the old, incorrect page.
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In October of 1989, NASA launched the Galileo spacecraft toward the planet Jupiter. Its mission was manyfold: to explore the moons of the giant planet, to investigate the environment of Jupiter's neighborhood, and to drop a probe into Jupiter's atmosphere to measure its physical characteristics.
After nearly eight years, Galileo's mission is over. It is out of fuel, and has been hammered by Jupiter's radioactive magnetic field for so long that its hardware is dying. NASA decided that the best thing to do is use the remaining fuel to drop the spacecraft into Jupiter, where it will burn up harmlessly. They feel this is better than letting it continue to orbit the planet, because it might eventually crash into one of the moons. One such moon, Europa, may just possibly have the right conditions for life to evolve, and they don't want Galileo to contaminate the moon, even given the extremely long odds of it happening. Galileo will plunge into Jupiter on September 21, 2003, around 20:00 hours Greenwich time.
But some people think that NASA had more plans for Galileo. They claim that NASA's nefarious scheme was to drop Galileo into Jupiter and use it to ignite Jupiter like a fusion bomb, either turning it into a star like the Sun, or simply blowing it to smithereens. J.C. Goliathan, one of the main proponents of this "Jupiter ignition" idea, has a long page about all this.
Can this be true? Could NASA accomplish such a dastardly plot?
As always, the short answer to this is to look at the title bar of your browser and read the name of this website. To save you time, I'll just say it here: no, Galileo will not do anything to Jupiter. Like a meteor, it'll burn up in the dense atmosphere, and become a part of the solar system's largest planet.
Yet the idea that Jupiter may explode is spreading across the web, sticking in this case (unlike the Moon Hoax or Planet X) mostly to the woowoo sites. So what are the main ideas behind it, and why are they wrong?
There are several ideas put forth, and they are wrong for lots of reasons. They sound legitimate, as many pseudoscientific ideas do, but that's different than actually being right. Let's take a look.
Here are the claims made by the alarmists:
Galileo has plutonium onboard. This is what makes fission bombs! NASA plans on creating a fission bomb using Galileo.
Fusion bombs are made by using fission bombs as triggers. The implosion caused by a fission bomb ignites hydrogen into fusion, generating a much bigger blast. Jupiter is made of mostly hydrogen! So it can be blown up like an H-bomb.
Stars work by fusing hydrogen. Jupiter might turn into a star, or it might simply blow up like a bomb.
Got all that? OK, point-by-point, let's see why it's all wrong.
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1) Galileo has plutonium onboard. This is what makes fission bombs! NASA plans on creating a fission bomb using Galileo.
Galileo does indeed have plutonium (Pu) onboard. The instruments onboard need power, and Jupiter is too far from the Sun to use solar power very well. The solar panels would need to be very large, too large and heavy to get to Jupiter.
Instead, Galileo uses a tried-and-true technology: radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs). Basically, these are extremely simple devices: inside an RTG is a pellet of radioactive material. As the material decays, it generates heat. The heat is converted to electricity, which powers the spacecraft.
Galileo's RTGs use plutonium in the form of ceramic pellets of plutonium dioxide. There is about 50 pounds of Pu onboard, stored in 144 separate cylindrical pellets. There are two RTGs on Galileo, each with 72 pellets (a paper about RTGs with a diagram can be found at NASA's Space Science website). Note: I am not going to get into a discussion over whether RTGs are safe, and the dangers or lack thereof posed by launching radioactive materials into space. Please read Spaceviews' page on RTGs for more info, and their list of pro and anti RTG sites as well.
Fission bombs work in this (simplified) way. The nucleus of a plutonium atom naturally splits into two or more pieces when a neutron (a subatomic particle) hits it. When it splits (also called fissioning), it releases energy and more neutrons. These hit other nuclei, causing them to split, etc. If the atoms are too far apart, then this effect won't work, because, basically, the neutrons miss the other nuclei. But if the atoms are packed tightly enough, you get a runaway reaction. More and more split, the energy released gets very big, and boom! Atomic bomb.
The amount of mass you need packed together to get a runaway chain reaction is called the critical mass. For plutonium 238, the kind that was on Galileo, you need about 10 or so kilograms (22 pounds) all packed tightly into a ball. Galileo had more than that amount on board, but (and this is a huge but) it was spread out in smaller pieces. The RTGs extend along a long boom, a rod that extends out from the main body of the spacecraft, and not in a way that works as a fission bomb. There are 72 separate chambers where the Pu238 was stored, and each piece had a sub-critical mass. You would have to compress those pieces together to make them critical and cause a fission reaction.
But that could not happen. Why not? Because Galileo entered Jupiter at a speed of about 100,000 miles per hour. At that speed, the pressure would tear the spacecraft apart. It slows as it passes through denser atmosphere, of course, but the pressures would be so high at those velocities that Galileo would be shredded. As the pieces fall off, they are heated due to compressing the air in front of them. This is why meteors get hot, in fact, and at these speeds the metal on Galileo would melt in short order. This would release the plutonium, dispersing it.
So instead of compressing it, as the pseudoscientists claim, the plutonium would actually get strewn through Jupiter, making it literally impossible to explode. So step one -- Galileo becoming a fission bomb -- cannot happen.
Not that this stops the pseudoscientists, of course. The doomcriers at YOWUSA make a big deal of how Pu is used in a bomb, and even show the geometry of a fission-induced fusion bomb (Note added November, 2003: YOWUSA has made their archives available only to subscribers, so the image is no longer available). But that's not how the RTGs are constructed! Posting that image is grossly misleading. The RTGs are not in anything like the geometry of a fission bomb. This is more obfuscation on the part of the doomsayers. Also, the YOWUSA folks, when quoting Goliathan, appear to think that somehow the pressure from the passage of Galileo through Jupiter's atmosphere will compress the plutonium enough to start a chain reaction, which will then trigger fusion. But the fission has to happen with precise timing, and in a certain geometry. How do they propose that will happen, exactly, with Galileo tumbling down into Jupiter, parts of it flying off due to the heat and pressure of supersonic atmospheric entry? They somehow conveniently left that part off of their description.
Conclusion: The plutonium on Galileo cannot fission to become a bomb.
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2) Fusion bombs are made by using fission bombs as triggers. The implosion caused by a fission bomb ignites hydrogen into fusion, generating a much bigger blast.
A hydrogen bomb explodes because atomic nuclei of hydrogen are squeezed together. If squeezed hard enough, the atomic nuclei fuse (stick together), and that releases energy. You have to apply a lot of pressure and heat to get the hydrogen to do this, and one way to do that is to use the blast wave from a fission bomb.
Basically, a fission bomb is used to trigger a process which creates the hydrogen fuel for the fusion reaction (more on this in a moment). The shock wave and heat from the fission explosion must work in a very specific way to do this. When it works, the fusion releases far more energy than a fission explosion, which is why H-bombs have so much more explosive yield than A-bombs.
And hey, isn't Jupiter mostly hydrogen? Yikes, a fission explosion can make Jupiter explode like a bomb!
No, it can't, and for two reasons. Well, three if you include the fact that Galileo couldn't make a fission bomb, as noted above. But even if it could, it wouldn't make Jupiter detonate, because the RTGs aren't configured to be used as a fission trigger, and because Jupiter doesn't have the right stuff in it to fuse.
While Jupiter is mostly hydrogen, it's the wrong kind. Remember isotopes; atoms with different number of neutrons? Hydrogen has them too. A hydrogen nucleus at its simplest is just a lone proton. Deuterium (D2) is hydrogen with a neutron and a proton, and tritium (T3) is a proton with two neutrons. Fusion bombs need the neutron-added isotopes. Regular old hydrogen won't do it. Simply taking a sample of hydrogen gas and compressing it won't make it fuse; you need a fuel enriched with D2 and T3. Finding these materials isn't all that easy, and a randomly selected pocket of Jupiter's gas is unlikely in the extreme to have them in sufficient quantities to explode.
What's worse, the way we make bombs these days, you need lithium to make them work, and that's not terribly common in Jupiter either. Here's how a fusion bomb works. You need a fission explosion to start with, which is used to do two things: it generates X-rays, which heat and compress the fusion fuel, and it actually helps create the fuel. As I have discovered while researching this article, the process is somewhat complicated. In a very brief nutshell, the fission explosion is used to irradiate lithium. Neutrons from the fission explosion combine with the lithium to create tritium. The heat and pressure from the X-rays compress the tritium, and bang!
Again, this sequence of events is highly unlikely to occur on Jupiter. You need lots of lithium, which is not terribly abundant. You need it to make tritium, which is highly unstable (it doesn't last long once created) and again unlikely in the extreme to be found in Jupiter's atmosphere. It's really just plain old silly to think this could happen with Galileo, even if it had the right kind of fission material. Which it doesn't.
This doesn't stop Goliathan from speculating wildly, though. He says:
However, conventional belief says that Deuterium and Tritium (isotopes of Hydrogen) are necessary to accomplish fusion. Both may be present or created during a reaction within the dense liquid hydrogen of Jupiter.
Again, he doesn't state how this might happen. I am not an expert on such things, and won't speculate, but it seems unlikely that Jupiter can create these elements, given that it takes nuclear reactions to do it (specifically, a proton has to absorb an electron and an anti-neutrino to become a neutron). Jupiter isn't big enough to do it.
Even if you supplied a fission bomb, you won't get hydrogen (tritium) to fuse. And Galileo doesn't have what it takes to make a fission explosion.
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3) Stars work by fusing hydrogen. Jupiter might turn into a star, or it might simply blow up like a bomb.
OK, so we don't have fission, and we don't have fusion. So let's suppose, contrary to all evidence, that NASA is really lying to us, and has put fission bombs and fusion fuel aboard Galileo. When they go off, will Jupiter explode, or turn into a star?
Nope, and nope. Fusion is not a runaway process. Once you start it up, it generates a lot of heat, which tends to expand the material violently (this is what we technically call a bomb). This means the fuel gets scattered, and it won't fuse. Making really big hydrogen bombs run into this problem, making it hard to make really big bombs, which in my book is perhaps a good thing.
So the process tends to damp itself off. Jupiter won't explode. It won't turn into a star, either. Stars work by maintaining fusion in their cores. Now, I just said fusion isn't self-sustaining, so how do stars keep it going? They do it by containing the hydrogen in a small volume. This is accomplished by piling a lot of mass on top of the hydrogen: the mass of the star.
The star has enough gravity that all that mass squeezes and heats the core enough for fusion to not only take place, but to continue at a relatively stable pace. But it turns out there is a lower limit to that mass; if you don't have enough, then you don't get the high temperatures and pressures necessary to ignite fusion. That mass is about 0.077 times the mass of the Sun, or 80 times Jupiter's mass. In other words, Jupiter is 1/80th the mass it needs to turn into a star. Some people call Jupiter a failed star, but in reality it ain't even close.
Conclusion: Jupiter won't explode, or turn into a star, because it lacks the containment to keep fusion going.
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There's more, of course. Goliathan, in his article, makes lots of statements as if they are facts, but are actually wrong. For example, it might be relevant to ask why NASA doesn't simply boost Galileo out of the Jupiter system and into space, rather than smack it into Jupiter. Goliathan takes that farther:
Some argue that the craft is caught in Jupiter's pull now, but with all of the gravity assist tricks available, and still some propellant left, the craft should be able to break free even if they had to use an assist of one of the larger moons.
Here he shows a profound ignorance of the situation. Jupiter's gravity is immense. Escape velocity is quite high, nearly 6 times (*) that of Earth's! If Galileo had enough fuel to escape from Jupiter, then we wouldn't have needed to use gravity assists from Venus and twice with Earth. As an example, the propellant used to get to Jupiter needed to change Galileo's velocity by about 15 kilometers/second (the difference between the Earth's orbital speed and Jupiter's). The rocket could not provide that on its own, so we needed help from the gravity of Venus and Earth. But, to escape Jupiter from, say, the distance of Europa, Galileo needs to add 6 km/s to its velocity, a healthy chunk of what it needed to get to Jupiter in the first place. Closer in to Jupiter the situation is even worse. Up until about 2001, there was enough fuel on board Galileo to have it get into an escape trajectory, but after that there was too little fuel left.
If I have time I will add to this article over the next few days, but I think I've made it pretty clear that this idea that Galileo will somehow cause a nuclear explosion on Jupiter is wrong. Remember, if you hear something on the web about how some astronomical event may cause doomsday here on Earth, read it with a very skeptical eye. And check Bad Astronomy before you start putting your affairs in order!
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/jupiter_galileo.html
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Watching Samson try to refute his points without actually referencing anything close to physics is hilarious. This guy claimed to be an engineer. A basic understanding of physics is pretty much a requirement of any field in engineering. Samson has been exposed for the lying gimmick that he is.
Guy doesn't even understand simple science.
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TheLuke is actually dead-on with the science aspect:
...I should hope so, my honours degree in experimental physics should qualify me for something.
The Luke
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...I should hope so, my honours degree in experimental physics should qualify me for something.
The Luke
hey, question for you. back in the 80's there was this movie with Martin Sheen where there was this theory that a large enough nuke could cause some sort of chain reaction or something that would end up eating up the entire atmosphere. Some people back then said that it was an actual theory they were worried about. BS or True?
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hey, question for you. back in the 80's there was this movie with Martin Sheen where there was this theory that a large enough nuke could cause some sort of chain reaction or something that would end up eating up the entire atmosphere. Some people back then said that it was an actual theory they were worried about. BS or True?
...an actual theory.
Several expert Manhattan Project physicists, when awaiting the detonation of the first ever nuclear device at the Trinity Test Site (July 44 if memory serves), quipped that such a mechanism (a nuke igniting the nitrogen in the atmosphere) would be the perfect fail-safe for a cautious creator/god: any civilization that attempted to use nuclear weapons would effectively self destruct. A Book of Genesis apple built right into the fabric of reality.
I think it had more to do with a melancholic reflection on the apocalyptic force they had unleashed upon the world... or maybe they just wanted to frighten the generals. It's one of those things physicists say to remind each other of the savagery and brutality of regular people, people who can't do math. It's not supposed to be taken seriously. Google "grey goo" for a modern example.
Remember what Oppenheimer remarked upon witnessing the first nuke: "Behold, I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" (a quote from the sanscrit Vedas)
Such a mechanism isn't really feasible... it's pretty hard to contain so much heat energy, it dissapates rather explosively.
The Luke
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If you had told me there would be a day when I was glad that The Luke was a poster on the politics board I would have called you damn liar...
Glad to have witnessed the owning of the idiocy that is samson
thank you luke ;D
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Glad to have witnessed the owning of the idiocy that is samson
thank you luke ;D
...This samson guy is some sort of gimmick? Right?
The Luke
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...This samson guy is some sort of gimmick? Right?
The Luke
ya nobody knows whos it is though
hugo was thrown out there, I doubt it is him though
could be 240 as he too is CT happy and maybe didnt want to take the ridicule but I doubt it.
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...an actual theory.
Several expert Manhattan Project physicists, when awaiting the detonation of the first ever nuclear device at the Trinity Test Site (July 44 if memory serves), quipped that such a mechanism (a nuke igniting the nitrogen in the atmosphere) would be the perfect fail-safe for a cautious creator/god: any civilization that attempted to use nuclear weapons would effectively self destruct. A Book of Genesis apple built right into the fabric of reality.
I think it had more to do with a melancholic reflection on the apocalyptic force they had unleashed upon the world... or maybe they just wanted to frighten the generals. It's one of those things physicists say to remind each other of the savagery and brutality of regular people, people who can't do math. It's not supposed to be taken seriously. Google "grey goo" for a modern example.
Remember what Oppenheimer remarked upon witnessing the first nuke: "Behold, I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" (a quote from the sanscrit Vedas)
Such a mechanism isn't really feasible... it's pretty hard to contain so much heat energy, it dissapates rather explosively.
The Luke
what about my question? Yes, no, or you don't know?
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what about my question? Yes, no, or you don't know?
...I answered it.
...an actual theory.
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Such a mechanism isn't really feasible... it's pretty hard to contain so much heat energy, it dissapates rather explosively.
Yes it was a real theory, but easily dispelled.
-lots of asteroids and meteorite strikes have hit the Earth generating bigger explosions and even comparable temperatures, but none ignited the atmosphere... not in a self-sustaining way at least. Google "Tunguska 1903" for a good example.
-studies using very high powered lasers have shown conclusively that nitrogen does not burn sustainably in oxygen no matter what the combustion ratio.
The Luke
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...I answered it.
Yes it was a real theory, but easily dispelled.
-lots of asteroids and meteorite strikes have hit the Earth generating bigger explosions and even comparable temperatures, but none ignited the atmosphere... not in a self-sustaining way at least. Google "Tunguska 1903" for a good example.
-studies using very high powered lasers have shown conclusively that nitrogen does not burn sustainably in oxygen no matter what the combustion ratio.
The Luke
ok thanks, I was confused by all the grey goo and God genesis talk lol...
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Watching Samson try to refute his points without actually referencing anything close to physics is hilarious. This guy claimed to be an engineer. A basic understanding of physics is pretty much a requirement of any field in engineering. Samson has been exposed for the lying gimmick that he is.
Guy doesn't even understand simple science.
YAWN...You use the same line in every response to every question, every time... ONE TRICK PONY. Have you ever tried catching your tail in your teeth by running in circles?
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YAWN...You use the same line in every response to every question, every time... ONE TRICK PONY. Have you ever tried catching your tail in your teeth by running in circles?
You don't actually understand much science though, do you...?
How else do you get lured in by these transparently ridiculous conspiracy theories?
Igniting Jupiter and Saturn? Please... your misunderstanding of the difference between combustion (how things burn in oxygen) and thermonuclear fusion (how stars burn) notwithstanding... if such was possible, wouldn't one of the major collisions suffered by Jupiter and Saturn during their life cycles thus far have accomplished such an ignition?
A little logic... please.
The Luke
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...This samson guy is some sort of gimmick? Right?
The Luke
WRONG LUKE!!!!!...maybe you should use the force and stop relying on theories, unsupported science and hypotheticals. They are good for guess work, but not for facts.
Scientist said the world was heating up! Scientist said two planes brought down two towers in controlled demolition style by crashing into them! Scientist said we have too much carbon dioxide floating around! Scientist said swine flu was a pandemic that was going to kill everyone on the planet!... DO YA THINK YOU SHOULD STOP LISTENING TO SCIENTIST?... They can not even give me the correct weather forecast from one day to the next.
But keep trying luke... I mean ya gotta make the fools that handed you an honorary degree in EXPERIMENTAL physics feel like they have accomplished something by doing so. Noticed I enlarged experimental...ya wanna know why?
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Go on... this thread is too cringe-worthy to end so soon.
The Luke
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You don't actually understand much science though, do you...?
How else do you get lured in by these transparently ridiculous conspiracy theories?
Igniting Jupiter and Saturn? Please... your misunderstanding of the difference between combustion (how things burn in oxygen) and thermonuclear fusion (how stars burn) notwithstanding... if such was possible, wouldn't one of the major collisions suffered by Jupiter and Saturn during their life cycles thus far have accomplished such an ignition?
A little logic... please.
The Luke
Everything you vomited out is THEORY luke...poor theory at that. Hate to surprise you, but that is all it is. Guess work, hypotheses, wishful thinking. The fact that a large earth sized explosion occurred on Jupiter has already rendered much of what you 'supposed'... useless. What was missing is/was the chain reaction and fire ball they: NASA, hoped for. And for the BILLIONTH time I am/have presented what NASA hoped to accomplish...not what I want to accomplish. I have already stated how RIDICULOUS the whole matter is in even desiring to ignite a gas giant. Maybe if you spent more time reading my post instead of jumping to dumb conclusions a lot of unnecessary typing could have been saved. Nonetheless I have already addressed the issue of igniting a gas giant and how the chemistry, and physical differences between jupiter/saturn are different than earth and thereby what occurs readily on earth can and will not occur on these planets. Go back and read the posts from the beginning of the thread...
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Everything you vomited out is THEORY luke...poor theory at that. Hate to surprise you, but that is all it is. Guess work, hypotheses, wishful thinking. The fact that a large earth sized explosion occurred on Jupiter has already rendered much of what you 'supposed'... useless. What was missing is/was the chain reaction and fire ball they: NASA, hoped for. And for the BILLIONTH time I am/have presented what NASA hoped to accomplish...not what I want to accomplish. I have already stated how RIDICULOUS the whole matter is in even desiring to ignite a gas giant. Maybe if you spent more time reading my post instead of jumping to dumb conclusions a lot of unnecessary typing could have been saved. Nonetheless I have already addressed the issue of igniting a gas giant and how the chemistry, and physical differences between jupiter/saturn are different than earth and thereby what occurs readily on earth can and will not occur on these planets. Go back and read the posts from the beginning of the thread...
that's what I thought you were saying too and I remember you saying it couldn't happen but Luke had me confused a bit replying like you thought it was possible. I thought we already did this thread where we talked about it not being possible.
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Everything you vomited out is THEORY luke...poor theory at that. Hate to surprise you, but that is all it is. Guess work, hypotheses, wishful thinking. The fact that a large earth sized explosion occurred on Jupiter has already rendered much of what you 'supposed'... useless. What was missing is/was the chain reaction and fire ball they: NASA, hoped for. And for the BILLIONTH time I am/have presented what NASA hoped to accomplish...not what I want to accomplish. I have already stated how RIDICULOUS the whole matter is in even desiring to ignite a gas giant. Maybe if you spent more time reading my post instead of jumping to dumb conclusions a lot of unnecessary typing could have been saved. Nonetheless I have already addressed the issue of igniting a gas giant and how the chemistry, and physical differences between jupiter/saturn are different than earth and thereby what occurs readily on earth can and will not occur on these planets. Go back and read the posts from the beginning of the thread...
...this seems to be the basis of your misconceptions.
You don't understand the process by which a gaseous body bcomes a star; or the process by which a star "burns"; you also don't understand the difference between nuclear and chemical reactions.
If you'd like to make a scientific argument, I'd gladly comment on it.
The Luke
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...this seems to be the basis of your misconceptions.
You don't understand the process by which a gaseous body bcomes a star; or the process by which a star "burns"; you also don't understand the difference between nuclear and chemical reactions.
If you'd like to make a scientific argument, I'd gladly comment on it.
The Luke
Ok, I'm still lost. You're saying Samson is saying it's possible but I though Samson was saying it wasn't possible. I don't get it. What the hell is going on here.
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I think samson is arguing that people at NASA are actually trying to do this.
I reckon the guys at NASA have taken a science class or two.
The Luke
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Samson...
Yes or No.
Do you think it's possible to turn Jupiter or Saturn into a Sun?
Yes or No.
Do you think people at NASA think it's possible to Jupiter or Saturn into a Sun?
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I think samson is arguing that people at NASA are actually trying to do this.
I reckon the guys at NASA have taken a science class or two.
The Luke
But arn't you saying Samson thinks it's possible? The whole Jupiter to Sun deal?
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But arn't you saying Samson thinks it's possible? The whole Jupiter to Sun deal?
...I think he thought it was possible till I joined this thread.
The guy uses articles from Project Camelot as supportig references for fuck's sake.
I think it's funnier he thinks anyone would use 70 lbs of plutonium in a nuke, that's 60 lbs over the maximum practical weight. How big would that warhead be? 50 tons?
The Luke
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Just re-watching 2001 for the hell of it. Didn't notice this before, but Kubrick is probably the only person to get silence in space right. there's a scene in a total vacuum where it goes totally silent until pressure is attained. All other movies I've seen have sound in space. Would that be correct Luke?
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...I think he thought it was possible till I joined this thread.
The guy uses articles from Project Camelot as supportig references for fuck's sake.
I think it's funnier he thinks anyone would use 70 lbs of plutonium in a nuke, that's 60 lbs over the maximum practical weight. How big would that warhead be? 50 tons?
The Luke
maybe I'm remembering wrong, but in a past thread on this, I think we all thought it wasn't possible. It was about 3 weeks ago or so.
How many lbs of plutonium do they have on the craft?
PS. just skimed the older thread. Unless I missed it, I said it couldn't happen unless nature did it. So I'm not sure what Samson thought? I could have swore I read that he didn't think it was possible. Maybe he can quote a post.
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another question, wouldn't Titan be toast if Saturn turned into a sun. I know it's about 3 times farther out than our moon from us but still... ???
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This guy claimed to be an engineer and he has no scientific background. Yet again he has been exposed for the copy/pasting CT fraud that he is.
And it is hilarious. I can't believe someone tried to argue that these scientific laws are false because some idiotic website says so. ::)
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Just to clear up some of the points raised:
-it's NOT possible to convert either Jupiter or Saturn into even a proto-brown dwarf failed star using any type of explosion; nuclear or otherwise. In fact there wouldn't be much chance of a stellar ignition even if Jupiter and Saturn collided head-on.
-there are probably only a hundred or so grams of plutonium on the Cassini craft, ie: the fuel in an ultra-long-life nuclear battery (wherein a voltage is maintained on the surface of a metal container housing radioactive material via beta+; beta-; alpha decay and ionising photons)
-you can't have more than about 2.2 kg (5 lbs) of any fissionable material in a single lump without it beginning to fission (neutron flux within the material becomes sufficient to sustain a self-propogating fission chain). Any amount of fissionable material exceeding this critical mass simply goes BOOM!
-plutonium is not used in nuclear bombs for anything other than the trigger mechanism; no more than five pounds per trigger piece (usually much, much less). So 50 lbs of plutonium in a warhead would mean at least 10 trigger pieces which must all be compressed simultaneously (by shaped explosive charges) requiring the coordinated collision of all trigger pieces at supersonic speeds within a fraction of a millisecond. You'd have better odds attempting to fire ten high velocity bullets at each other in such a way that all the individual bullets collided to form neat ball of lead.
-no, there is no sound in space. Sound is a longitudinal vibrational wave, which requires a medium through which to propogate: either solid, liquid or gas. In space, no one can hear you scream... Ripley.
-yes, ALL of Jupiter's/Saturn's moons would probably be vapourised if Jupiter/Saturn converted into a star. If memory serves, the miracle of the 2010 Roy Schneider movie was the manipulation of Jupiter directly into a white dwarf star by an extra terrestrial intelligence (the Monoliths). Normally white dwarves are an end stage of larger stars which undergo decay.
-Titan might be three times further out than our moon (Luna), but that's just 750k miles (our moon being 250k from us). Light travels at 186k miles PER SECOND... so our moon is only 1.3 light-seconds away; and Titan is only 4 light-seconds from Saturn. But putting this in perspective, the Earth is a full eight and a half light-MINUTES from the sun.
-if Saturn somehow conveted into a 6,000 K yellow star (like our sun), Titan would be vapourised four seconds later. Even Mercury is a full two and half light-minutes from the sun.
-if Saturn was somehow converted into a white dwarf, even then Titan would be in trouble as a brand new white dwarf has a surface temperature of 100,000 K and takes billions and billions of years to cool to the temperature of our own yellow sun.
-if somehow, magically, Saturn could be converted into an old, old dim reddish-coloured white dwarf remnant much cooler than our sun... Titan is still too close at only 4 light-seconds distance.
This whole argument is what physicists term: "Not even wrong"
The Luke
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Ok, I'm still lost. You're saying Samson is saying it's possible but I though Samson was saying it wasn't possible. I don't get it. What the hell is going on here.
This is what happens when and idiot like luke goes on a rampage and doesn't read facts or listen to what others are telling him. If you go back to my original post what i presented was what NASA wants to do and I even said it is a ridiculous thing they are attempting. Now whether this big fireball/kaboom is possible I nor anyone else knows, but my anger is in the fact that these knumbnuts are attempting to do it. luke is operating as though I am the person saying YES IT WILL WORK AND IT IS GOING TO BLOW UP THE UNIVERSE...whatever....D UMBASS that he is. READ MY POSTS AGAIN FROM THE BEGINNING!!!!!!
I posted this originally just so that everyone can be aware of what NASA and the Lucifierians are up to...and should for some strange reason their plan succeeds and you see a flash in the night sky and what appears like a giant burning planet...you will know that that is exactly what it is.
The sad part about all of this posting is the fact that I included a bunch of links in the original posting that answers all of the questions this ass calls himself answering. lukes small minded responses and arrogance in feeling like he is some authority is laughable. I am quite sure that NASA, CERN and all the agencies involved in space travel, physics, engineering, astronomy etc etc would run rings around his ass and make him look like the fool he is. So that this goes on no longer please everyone go back to the original post and see what I presented and why and then see how this luke asshole took it in the wild directions he did in order to make himself appear like some expert on the matter (you have an honorary degree in experimental physics supposedly...yet you have not learned to read and investigate facts luke..that makes you look all the more of the ass you are). Also make sure you click on the links at the bottom of the article as a ton of questions and answers lay in them.
I hope this all makes things clearer Hugo and everyone else... this whole thread is interesting in the sense that it shows how DISINFO get put in the minds of people and runs amuck (can you hear me luke?). Sadly all anyone has/had to do is go back to the original source/post to see where the later disinfo has caused confusion, created lies as well as tells what the persons agenda really is.
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Again, you really think the people at NASA wouldn't be aware of what The Luke is talking about? The people at NASA are some of the most educated on the planet. They have better a grasp of physics and chemistry than you, me and the douche that wrote this article. I get that you're trying to save face but this is embarrassing now. You were exposed as a brain dead dipshit and you are most definitely not an engineer.
Now you can keep saying "NASA this and NASA that" but YOU are the asshole who tried to claim that physics and chemistry work differently depending on where you and thus proved to us that you're uneducated garbage. ::)
You have added nothing to this discussion. The point is this is an actual project by NASA, NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY. As I said and the article says, the first attempt to detonate Jupiter occurred in 2003...produced an earth sized explosion but no blazing fireball. Second attempt now involves more plutonium on a smaller planet with a different chemistry. TO give the hypothesis you gave about necessary factors for an explosion to occurs on earth is just that A HYPOTHESIS, as the factors of earth are entirely different than Jupiter or Saturn. How radioactive reactions occur in space, on planets with massive gravities, different chemistry, incredible atmospheric pressures etc etc...could be the difference between a big KABOOM or a big SILENCE. Nonetheless the point in my article is not that the KABOOM could or could not happen, but the fact that MAD MEN are trying to bring this to fruition.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Just to clear up some of the points raised:
-it's NOT possible to convert either Jupiter or Saturn into even a proto-brown dwarf failed star using any type of explosion; nuclear or otherwise. In fact there wouldn't be much chance of a stellar ignition even if Jupiter and Saturn collided head-on.
-there are probably only a hundred or so grams of plutonium on the Cassini craft, ie: the fuel in an ultra-long-life nuclear battery (wherein a voltage is maintained on the surface of a metal container housing radioactive material via beta+; beta-; alpha decay and ionising photons)
-you can't have more than about 2.2 kg (5 lbs) of any fissionable material in a single lump without it beginning to fission (neutron flux within the material becomes sufficient to sustain a self-propogating fission chain). Any amount of fissionable material exceeding this critical mass simply goes BOOM!
-plutonium is not used in nuclear bombs for anything other than the trigger mechanism; no more than five pounds per trigger piece (usually much, much less). So 50 lbs of plutonium in a warhead would mean at least 10 trigger pieces which must all be compressed simultaneously (by shaped explosive charges) requiring the coordinated collision of all trigger pieces at supersonic speeds within a fraction of a millisecond. You'd have better odds attempting to fire ten high velocity bullets at each other in such a way that all the individual bullets collided to form neat ball of lead.
-no, there is no sound in space. Sound is a longitudinal vibrational wave, which requires a medium through which to propogate: either solid, liquid or gas. In space, no one can hear you scream... Ripley.
-yes, ALL of Jupiter's/Saturn's moons would probably be vapourised if Jupiter/Saturn converted into a star. If memory serves, the miracle of the 2010 Roy Schneider movie was the manipulation of Jupiter directly into a white dwarf star by an extra terrestrial intelligence (the Monoliths). Normally white dwarves are an end stage of larger stars which undergo decay.
-Titan might be three times further out than our moon (Luna), but that's just 750k miles (our moon being 250k from us). Light travels at 186k miles PER SECOND... so our moon is only 1.3 light-seconds away; and Titan is only 4 light-seconds from Saturn. But putting this in perspective, the Earth is a full eight and a half light-MINUTES from the sun.
-if Saturn somehow conveted into a 6,000 K yellow star (like our sun), Titan would be vapourised four seconds later. Even Mercury is a full two and half light-minutes from the sun.
-if Saturn was somehow converted into a white dwarf, even then Titan would be in trouble as a brand new white dwarf has a surface temperature of 100,000 K and takes billions and billions of years to cool to the temperature of our own yellow sun.
-if somehow, magically, Saturn could be converted into an old, old dim reddish-coloured white dwarf remnant much cooler than our sun... Titan is still too close at only 4 light-seconds distance.
This whole argument is what physicists term: "Not even wrong"
The Luke
UH...Don't embarrass the institution that foolishly handed you and HONORARY DEGREE anymore with these ridiculous posts. What you are talking about here is so far off what is being tried with Saturn and attempted already with Jupiter is not even funny. White dwarfs, brown dwarfs...hahah. tone it down. This is NOT even in the realm of what NASA is trying. Everyone needs to start looking up these wild claims you are making. Show me or should I say us anywhere where NASA is trying to create these entities. There is a big difference between hoping to ignite the hydrogen or methane on Jupiter or Saturn as NASA is trying to do and trying to start the nuclear fission/fusion process of the sun. Here once again is where your lack of intelligence, boastful arrogance gets the best of you. But do me a favor and click on the links at the end of my original post on this matter and see just how stupidly wrong and foolish you have made yourself throughout this thread.
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UH...Don't embarrass the institution that foolishly handed you and HONORARY DEGREE anymore with these ridiculous posts. What you are talking about here is so far off what is being tried with Saturn and attempted already with Jupiter is not even funny. White dwarfs, brown dwarfs...hahah. tone it down. This is NOT even in the realm of what NASA is trying. Everyone needs to start looking up these wild claims you are making. Show me or should I say us anywhere where NASA is trying to create these entities. There is a big difference between hoping to ignite the hydrogen or methane on Jupiter or Saturn as NASA is trying to do and trying to start the nuclear fission/fusion process of the sun. Here once again is where your lack of intelligence, boastful arrogance gets the best of you. But do me a favor and click on the links at the end of my original post on this matter and see just how stupidly wrong and foolish you have made yourself throughout this thread.
Go ahead and refute him. Regale us with your physics knowledge. Provide proof. And I don't mean link an article from some idiotic website. Let's see some mathematics and concrete evidence. You keep saying he's wrong so it shouldn't be too hard for you to prove that, right?
You have no idea what you're talking about and all the huffing and puffing in the world while you try to save face won't change that.
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Again, you really think the people at NASA wouldn't be aware of what The Luke is talking about? The people at NASA are some of the most educated on the planet. They have better a grasp of physics and chemistry than you, me and the douche that wrote this article. I get that you're trying to save face but this is embarrassing now. You were exposed as a brain dead dipshit and you are most definitely not an engineer.
Now you can keep saying "NASA this and NASA that" but YOU are the asshole who tried to claim that physics and chemistry work differently depending on where you and thus proved to us that you're uneducated garbage. ::)
You have no idea what you're talking about.
BF you have refined your stupidity to that of the razor edge of a samurai sword...
I would say I can not believe you are that dumb but facts are facts. Had you actually read the article and links and where capable of comprehension you would have realized that I have been saying all along that NASA is behind this and it is NASA who says this is possible...NOT ME, but somewhere along the lines that eludes you. NASA knows what it is doing and is an expert far beyond the self boasting fool known as luke on GB. You my man barely posses the intelligence to present an argument to a full blown down syndrome/ADHD/mentally handicapped corpse. So any discussion with you is useless. Take your pills and go to bed.
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BF you have refined your stupidity to that of the razor edge of a samurai sword...
I would say I can not believe you are that dumb but facts are facts. Had you actually read the article and links and where capable of comprehension you would have realized that I have been saying all along that NASA is behind this and it is NASA who says this is possible...NOT ME, but somewhere along the lines that eludes you. NASA knows what it is doing and is an expert far beyond the self boasting fool known as luke on GB. You my man barely posses the intelligence to present an argument to a full blown down syndrome/ADHD/mentally handicapped corpse. So any discussion with you is useless. Take your pills and go to bed.
You haven't said shit. Let me refresh your memory with the follow quote you made on page 1 of this thread:
You have added nothing to this discussion. The point is this is an actual project by NASA, NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY. As I said and the article says, the first attempt to detonate Jupiter occurred in 2003...produced an earth sized explosion but no blazing fireball. Second attempt now involves more plutonium on a smaller planet with a different chemistry. TO give the hypothesis you gave about necessary factors for an explosion to occurs on earth is just that A HYPOTHESIS, as the factors of earth are entirely different than Jupiter or Saturn. How radioactive reactions occur in space, on planets with massive gravities, different chemistry, incredible atmospheric pressures etc etc...could be the difference between a big KABOOM or a big SILENCE. Nonetheless the point in my article is not that the KABOOM could or could not happen, but the fact that MAD MEN are trying to bring this to fruition.
You have proven that you have no idea what you're talking about. Trying to spin this off onto NASA when you said what you did is amusing. You claimed to be an engineer. Having a firm grasp of physics and chemistry is required for pretty much every field of engineering. You have no grasp of either of them and are nothing more than a lying shill.
Either refute him or shut the fuck up.
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You haven't said shit. Let me refresh your memory with the follow quote you made on page 1 of this thread:
You have proven that you have no idea what you're talking about. Trying to spin this off onto NASA when you said what you did is amusing. You claimed to be an engineer. Having a firm grasp of physics and chemistry is required for pretty much every field of engineering. You have no grasp of either of them and are nothing more than a lying shill.
Either refute him or shut the fuck up.
Is luke your gay lover or something??? why are you trying to speak for him so much? Don't you possess intellectual capacity to ask questions yourself? I would say not based on your limited vocabulary. Is that you crossed dressed and dancing for men/luke in your avatar? If you have something to say then speak for yourself otherwise why don't you STFU....
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Is luke your gay lover or something??? why are you trying to speak for him so much? Don't you possess intellectual capacity to ask questions yourself? I would say not based on your limited vocabulary. Is that you crossed dressed and dancing for men/luke in your avatar? If you have something to say then speak for yourself otherwise why don't you STFU....
Nothing else needs to be said as he covered everything, having refuted every idiotic claim you tried to make in this thread. Try to stop slinging insults like the uneducated garbage that you are and actually refute what he said. You said it's wrong. PROVE IT.
You seem mad. Is it because you were exposed as a fraud in this thread? No one took you seriously before but this was the icing on the cake. And the best part is that you did it to yourself. Hahaha!
I personally think The Luke is a douche but there's no denying that he bitch slapped you something fierce in this thread. :D
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UH...Don't embarrass the institution that foolishly handed you and HONORARY DEGREE anymore with these ridiculous posts.
...I have an honours degree, not an honourary degree. Earned, not bestowed.
An honours physics degree (here in Europe) is something equivalent to a masters in physics Stateside, (ie: I can go straight into a PhD program without a masters).
I appreciate that you can't understand... but try reading.
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Luke, can you tell us about the scientific facts backing your belief in BIGFOOT!!!!
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Luke, can you tell us about the scientific facts backing your belief in BIGFOOT!!!!
No need to bother with my opinion, both Jane Goodall (the chimp lady) and Sir David Attenborough have come out in support of the existence of clandestine hominid species. Goodall has gone so far as to assert her belief that several ape and hominid species remain to be discovered, during a live radio interview no less.
Prof Jeff Meldrum has written an excellent, rather scholarly book detailing all the evidence.
Get Googling.
When I give radio or newspaper interviews I always explain that the evidence is now conclusive, but not yet incontravertible... as only a body (live/dead) or skeleton will do that.
It's like Atlantis... the only doubters are those reflexive naysayers who haven't kept up with the research (Atlantis has been found in Bolivia by the way).
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No need to bother with my opinion, both Jane Goodall (the chimp lady) and Sir David Attenborough have come out in support of the existence of clandestine hominid species. Goodall has gone so far as to assert her belief that several ape and hominid species remain to be discovered, during a live radio interview no less.
Prof Jeff Meldrum has written an excellent, rather scholarly book detailing all the evidence.
Get Googling.
When I give radio or newspaper interviews I always explain that the evidence is now conclusive, but not yet incontravertible... as only a body (live/dead) or skeleton will do that.
It's like Atlantis... the only doubters are those reflexive naysayers who haven't kept up with the research (Atlantis has been found in Bolivia by the way).
The Luke
wait, expand on Atlantis in Bolivia please.
also, why in the hell can't you answer a simple pm? on this stuff. I find it interesting. But having to chase you down on it is lame....
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wait, expand on Atlantis in Bolivia please.
also, why in the hell can't you answer a simple pm? on this stuff. I find it interesting. But having to chase you down on it is lame....
I answered your pm... don't want to hijack this thread. Just didn't notice the pm immediately.
To read up on the discovery of Atlantis, just Google: "Jim Allen Atlantis"
The Luke
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No need to bother with my opinion, both Jane Goodall (the chimp lady) and Sir David Attenborough have come out in support of the existence of clandestine hominid species. Goodall has gone so far as to assert her belief that several ape and hominid species remain to be discovered, during a live radio interview no less.
Prof Jeff Meldrum has written an excellent, rather scholarly book detailing all the evidence.
Get Googling.
When I give radio or newspaper interviews I always explain that the evidence is now conclusive, but not yet incontravertible... as only a body (live/dead) or skeleton will do that.
It's like Atlantis... the only doubters are those reflexive naysayers who haven't kept up with the research (Atlantis has been found in Bolivia by the way).
The Luke
Luke what evidence do you have thats conclusive?
did goodall theorize about a bigfoot like primate or simply theorize about undiscovered primate species?
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If you had told me there would be a day when I was glad that The Luke was a poster on the politics board I would have called you damn liar...
Glad to have witnessed the owning of the idiocy that is samson
thank you luke ;D
Gotta agree. I've never seen TheLuke administer this kind of a brutal beatdown. :D
Any scientific rebuttal SAMSON? Any?
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I'm convinced that Samson isn't a normal poster like the rest of us...
Maybe he's one of those "disinfo agents" MB or Hugo or someone else here have mentioned?
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Gotta agree. I've never seen TheLuke administer this kind of a brutal beatdown. :D
Any scientific rebuttal SAMSON? Any?
You guys are funny... in a morbid way. Now it is easily seen why americans so easily fall for everything and are so laxidasical in accomplishing anything. As long as bullshit is dressed up to smell sweet and look pretty you gladly eat it. Maybe this is why you sit angry at your new president/administration..."Welcome the new president...same as the old". The pretty packaging deceived you.
You are not looking for any scientific rebuttlas, but rather a (for lack of better word) CATFIGHT... NOT HAPPENING! Once luke or anyone believes their own misconceptions/rhetoric/theories (which I hope an and all of you are intelligent enough to look up THEORY to understand that it means (something UNPROVEN) then the conversation becomes GO NO WHERE/NULL/VOID/DEAD!!! Taken on face value one would be led to believe luke sent Cassini in to space himself and has all of the required factors necessary to know failure or success beforehand. Instead he is operating on pure theoretical (remember UNPROVEN) knowledge to make statements which at best are questionable. I posted the article with all of the supporting links and yet not one of you read the links which answers all of the questions one could ask (This is why you ended up with a president that is the same as the former president). Neither has luke exercised a brain cell to look at the info in the links (afraid you can't handle the truth luke?) as well.
Nonetheless like I said earlier, this mission is MADMAN at its finest and I hope it fails, but just in case one night on the days mentioned in the article should a flash in the night sky happen and the appearance of a burning planet appear know that these NASA Luciferians plans has succeeded. At that instant I will find luke and put this size 12 shoe so far up his ass my foot will hang out of his mouth like a tongue for being as dumb as he is and for all of you being such easy suckers as you are!!!!!
Now go read the links and find out the answers to what you want to know....that is why i posted them.
BTW I just noticed from his post he believes in Bigfoot and Atlantis...had I known he was this level of a nut job for believing this crap, I would have never responded to any of his posts. Bigfoot?...Atlantis? (in Bolivia no less) ...you have go to be kidding me...
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You guys are funny... in a morbid way. Now it is easily seen why americans so easily fall for everything and are so laxidasical in accomplishing anything. As long as bullshit is dressed up to smell sweet and look pretty you gladly eat it. Maybe this is why you sit angry at your new president/administration..."Welcome the new president...same as the old". The pretty packaging deceived you.
You are not looking for any scientific rebuttlas, but rather a (for lack of better word) CATFIGHT... NOT HAPPENING! Once luke or anyone believes their own misconceptions/rhetoric/theories (which I hope an and all of you are intelligent enough to look up THEORY to understand that it means (something UNPROVEN) then the conversation becomes GO NO WHERE/NULL/VOID/DEAD!!! Taken on face value one would be led to believe luke sent Cassini in to space himself and has all of the required factors necessary to know failure or success beforehand. Instead he is operating on pure theoretical (remember UNPROVEN) knowledge to make statements which at best are questionable. I posted the article with all of the supporting links and yet not one of you read the links which answers all of the questions one could ask (This is why you ended up with a president that is the same as the former president). Neither has luke exercised a brain cell to look at the info in the links (afraid you can't handle the truth luke?) as well.
Nonetheless like I said earlier, this mission is MADMAN at its finest and I hope it fails, but just in case one night on the days mentioned in the article should a flash in the night sky happen and the appearance of a burning planet appear know that these NASA Luciferians plans has succeeded. At that instant I will find luke and put this size 12 shoe so far up his ass my foot will hang out of his mouth like a tongue for being as dumb as he is and for all of you being such easy suckers as you are!!!!!
Now go read the links and find out the answers to what you want to know....that is why i posted them.
BTW I just noticed from his post he believes in Bigfoot and Atlantis...had I known he was this level of a nut job for believing this crap, I would have never responded to any of his posts. Bigfoot?...Atlantis? (in Bolivia no less) ...you have go to be kidding me...
Anyone with a rudimentary background of physics would know that he's saying is right. You're the one trying to claim that the laws of physics work differently depending on which planet you're on. You are a moron. You are not an engineer and I doubt you're educated. You are a shitty gimmick that was owned beyond belief in this thread. Your credibility = destroyed.
And for what it's the worth, The Luke is Irish if I recall, not American. ::)
Only uneducated garbage like yourself would try to legitimately make the claims you did. Pick up a physics book and start reading.
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I'm convinced that Samson isn't a normal poster like the rest of us...
Maybe he's one of those "disinfo agents" MB or Hugo or someone else here have mentioned?
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HAHAHAAH HAHAAHAh OMG...OH the Irony in this statement.
You are so right i am not a normal poster like the rest of you... Only a few on GB actually think (and one is female), look things up, leave the door open to reason, take into account fallibility, consider, contemplate, THINK, and understand a quote like this ..."know that wise men know that they really know nothing at all" etc etc. These are ways a wise person shold operate.The rest of you have the assmoutheye disease. Think with your ass, shit out of your mouths and see in reverse.
Make sure you keep the doctors appointment about your assmoutheye disease.
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Anyone with a rudimentary background of physics would know that he's saying is right. You're the one trying to claim that the laws of physics work differently depending on which planet you're on. You are a moron. You are not an engineer and I doubt you're educated. You are a shitty gimmick that was owned beyond belief in this thread. Your credibility = destroyed.
And for what it's the worth, The Luke is Irish if I recall, not American. ::)
Only uneducated garbage like yourself would try to legitimately make the claims you did. Pick up a physics book and start reading.
Are you implying that you possess a rudimentary background in physics? How did you obtain that when you area of specialty is stuffing envelopes and licking them shut?!?!?!!?!?!!?
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You are so right i am not a normal poster like the rest of you... Only a few on GB actually think (and one is female)
I just don't understand why you and Jaguar are posting from the same IP address?
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I just don't understand why you and Jaguar are posting from the same IP address?
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Really..she doesn't live with me and neither I with her.... I call BULLSDHIT on your claim. Produce pictures or it didn't happen ::) ::) ::)
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Are you implying that you possess a rudimentary background in physics? How did you obtain that when you area of specialty is stuffing envelopes and licking them shut?!?!?!!?!?!!?
I've taken enough physics classes to know that what he's saying is spot on. You, on the other hand, are uneducated trash. It's clear that you're not anything close to an engineer and I would be surprised if you've ever opened a physics textbook, let alone read one.
Like the Luke said, "It's physics, it's not location dependent... you are confusing science with magic." He's not the dipshit claiming that the laws of physics are location dependent. Shit, I think most high school students understand that one. ::)
Take off your robe and wizard hat and slink off to the next idiotic thread you'll start. You usually scurry off when you get owned in a thread. Why are you sticking around? You only look like more of an idiot with every post.
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Really..she doesn't live with me and neither I with her.... I call BULLSDHIT on your claim. Produce pictures or it didn't happen ::) ::) ::)
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I've taken enough physics classes to know that what he's saying is spot on. You, on the other hand, are uneducated trash. It's clear that you're not anything close to an engineer and I would be surprised if you've ever opened a physics textbook, let alone read one.
Like the Luke said, "It's physics, it's not location dependent... you are confusing science with magic." He's not the dipshit claiming that the laws of physics are location dependent. Shit, I think most high school students understand that one. ::)
Take off your robe and wizard hat and slink off to the next idiotic thread you'll start. You usually scurry off when you get owned in a thread. Why are you sticking around? You only look like more of an idiot with every post.
How many people attended the wedding of you and Luke?
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I can teach you how to set up a proxy if you want to try again later with a new gimmick Jag... :-[
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I'm sorry for outing you like this, now I really do feel like the asshole that you accused me of being... :'(
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hahaha the big nig nog samson123 getting owned.
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hahahah what? LOL :o
how do you guys do all that shit? IP's are supposedly private?
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Bump for the engineer gimmick being outed as uneducated trash!
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I can teach you how to set up a proxy if you want to try again later with a new gimmick Jag... :-[
I LOVE IT...But I don't need proxies or gimmicks or fake IDs etc. First I was Hugo, then Jag, then what's the guys name with the rotting arm etc etc...Hate to bust your bubble, but that IS NOT MY IP....NOT EVEN CLOSE. IPs are protected by ones provider, so what you are seeing is the protected IP overlain with a false IP. I see you covered a number of IPs from your scan (including your own)...could it be because you are seeing a bunch of people with the same IP numbers because this is what their IP provider does in protecting them?
Good job trying to EXPOSE someone, but I would much prefer you had taken the time to click the links on the topic I posted and educated yourself on the issue being addressed. ;) ;) ;)
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I LOVE IT...But I don't need proxies or gimmicks or fake IDs etc. First I was Hugo, then Jag, then what's the guys name with the rotting arm etc etc...Hate to bust your bubble, but that IS NOT MY IP....NOT EVEN CLOSE. IPs are protected by ones provider, so what you are seeing is the protected IP overlain with a false IP. I see you covered a number of IPs from your scan (including your own)...could it be because you are seeing a bunch of people with the same IP numbers because this is what their IP provider does in protecting them?
Good job trying to EXPOSE someone, but I would much prefer you had taken the time to click the links on the topic I posted and educated yourself on the issue being addressed. ;) ;) ;)
I'll click the links when you open a physics textbook for the first time.
You are far and away the dumbest person on this forum, Jag. ;D
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Requesting this thread be stickied. :D
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Requesting this thread be stickied. :D
BF - many people have told me I am the dumbest person on this thread. No?
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BF - many people have told me I am the dumbest person on this thread. No?
I think you and Samson (Jaguar) are both smart. You're extremely passionate about politics, and "Samson" is ten times more passionate than you, driving her to come off as a crazy person in most of her threads.
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I think you and Samson (Jaguar) are both smart. You're extremely passionate about politics, and "Samson" is ten times more passionate than you, driving her to come off as a crazy person in most of her threads.
Ha ha. I like Politics no doubt, but we definately need an answer on this IP issue.
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BF - many people have told me I am the dumbest person on this thread. No?
No, you're not by far. SAMSON? Yes, she may very well be.
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No, you're not by far. SAMSON? Yes, she may very well be.
It was a joke of course. As far as this topic, I was never good at physics and won't pretend to be.
As far as Lucifer project goes, in my mind that is the NWO agenda these criminals are pursuing.
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It was a joke of course. As far as this topic, I was never good at physics and won't pretend to be.
As far as Lucifer project goes, in my mind that is the NWO agenda these criminals are pursuing.
I had to spend a year in physics when I was in college. :P
I'm no where near TheLuke, of course, but I think he's done a great job of breaking down this issue for us (at least for the dumb people like me :D).
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BF - many people have told me I am the dumbest person on this thread. No?
No, Samson is far and away the dumbest person in this thread (and probably on this board). The "guy" claimed to be an engineer and then proved to us that sixth graders know about more about physics than him.
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No, Samson is far and away the dumbest person in this thread (and probably on this board). The "guy" claimed to be an engineer and then proved to us that sixth graders know about more about physics than him.
The Luke & Samson going at each other on any topic is sure good entertainment.
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The Luke & Samson going at each other on any topic is sure good entertainment.
Glad you found the humor in it, however my point was not to put on a "SHOW" but to get that clown to realize NASA's/Luciferians reality, goals, interests and purposes. He still refuses to read the information on the links or to even go to the NASA site for further explanation...I guess it is a warm a and fuzzy feeling to him to feel like he knows something... I guess honorary degrees make a person feel that way. Sometimes the DUMBEST people on the planet are the ones who THINK they are educated.
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Glad you found the humor in it, however my point was not to put on a "SHOW" but to get that clown to realize NASA's/Luciferians reality, goals, interests and purposes. He still refuses to read the information on the links or to even go to the NASA site for further explanation...I guess it is a warm a and fuzzy feeling to him to feel like he knows something... I guess honorary degrees make a person feel that way. Sometimes the DUMBEST people on the planet are the ones who THINK they are educated.
For the second time... HONOURS, not HONOURARY.
Earned, not bestowed.
The Luke
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No, Samson is far and away the dumbest person in this thread (and probably on this board). The "guy" claimed to be an engineer and then proved to us that sixth graders know about more about physics than him.
Why should this be a surprise to anyone? Consider the source. This a person who believes the moon landing was a hoax, the Queen of England secretly controls the United States, the collider will cause a black hole on earth, Obama was going to cede US sovereignty in Copenhagen, etc....
Who knows what other wacky crap he believes? Frankly, i think he just gets off acting as if he is in the "know" and know something no one else does.
But i will give him this: He is entertaining. Not as much as nicky was (or is :D)
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Why should this be a surprise to anyone? Consider the source. This a person who believes the moon landing was a hoax, the Queen of England secretly controls the United States, the collider will cause a black hole on earth, Obama was going to cede US sovereignty in Copenhagen, etc....
Who knows what other wacky crap he believes? Frankly, i think he just gets off acting as if he is in the "know" and know something no one else does.
But i will give him this: He is entertaining. Not as much as nicky was (or is :D)
The ALL SEEING EYE of GB has spoken... You wanna tell us about that avatar and corresponding message?
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The ALL SEEING EYE of GB has spoken... You wanna tell us about that avatar and corresponding message?
It's for members only ;)
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It's for members only ;)
OHHHHHHH!...
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OHHHHHHH!...
Watch yourself wizard. ;)