Belichyk

[Fury]

I believe parcells contacted Billichick while Parcels was still at navy, but it never panned out. I am sure Billichick learned a lot from Parcels in his time with him ( when he was not taking his insults)  Billichick genius was already developed long before he went to the Giants. Hell , when Billichick was in his early 20's  he was the most sought after guy to break down film in the NFL.

Maybe my point of Billichick learning little from Bill was a little extreme

That's all I wanted to hear. To make those claims about Parcells is a little extreme.

[body88]

That's all I wanted to hear. To make those claims about Parcells is a little extreme.

I agree, while Bellichick may have been established as a defensive genius he took away the uncanny ability Parcells has to get every ounce of performance out of his players. Among other things obviously. My point is, Bellichick could only leave his time with Bill as better coach.

What I said was a bit extreme, I admit it.

[Earl1972]

he wasn't a genius until bledsoe got hurt

before that he was 5-11 and had a losing record until brady came in

he also was a failure with the browns

E

[RUDE BUOY]

he wasn't a genius until bledsoe got hurt

before that he was 5-11 and had a losing record until brady came in

he also was a failure with the browns

E

man was bledsoe over rated 

[Earl1972]

man was bledsoe over rated 

belichick preferred him over brady

E

[body88]

he wasn't a genius until bledsoe got hurt

before that he was 5-11 and had a losing record until brady came in

he also was a failure with the browns

E

His defenses won two superbowls for the Giants. He was also considered a defensive genius within the nfl, long before he took a head coaching job. He was highly sought after by many teams. Look it up my friend! Either way , His record speaks for itself. 12 - 2 postseason, 5 straight division titles, 3 rings in 5 years and the complete turn around of a struggling franchise

Dont be mad he put a whoopin on the steelers d earl

[Earl1972]

His defenses won two superbowls for the Giants. He was also considered a defensive genius within the nfl, long before he took a head coaching job. He was highly sought after by many teams. Look it up my friend! Either way , His record speaks for itself. 12 - 2 postseason, 5 straight division titles, 3 rings in 5 years and the complete turn around of a struggling franchise

Dont be mad he put a whoopin on the steelers d earl

I never said he was a bad coach definitly not

i'm just saying he doesn't deserve more credit than brady

he wasn't a supposed genius until brady became his qb

they said george seifert was a genius because he won a super bowl with montana and rice in their primes and also the super bowl the 9ers bought in 94 with steve young and company

he wasn't much of a genius when he coached carolina

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[body88]

I never said he was a bad coach definitly not

i'm just saying he doesn't deserve more credit than brady

he wasn't a supposed genius until brady became his qb

they said george seifert was a genius because he won a super bowl with montana and rice in their primes and also the super bowl the 9ers bought in 94 with steve young and company

he wasn't much of a genius when he coached carolina

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Just pulling your leg buddy! I know how get about your steelers!

[Earl1972]

Just pulling your leg buddy! I know how get about your steelers!

I know

I wasn't going to own you or anything

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[Old_Rooster]

Totally agree.

Who gives a fcuk about whether Belichyk is an asshole off the field.

He's the Messiah of NFL, and has the record to show for it.

Those who give Tom Brady the credit for Patriots winning the Super Bowl are wrong IMO. It's all Belichyk.

The guy could've won with Testaverde on the Q.

-Hedge

most ignorant post i've ever read.

[bmacsys]

Bledsoe could not win in that system. Neither could the guys that played for Bellichick in Clevelend. Tom has proven himself time after time.


The system does not make the adjustments to the pressure and make the throws. Have the uncanny ability to read defenses and react to them, to be so clutch at the biggest of moments, The guy is a two time sb mvp for a reason. Brady also led the league in passing last year with a great rating. he has gotten it done every time he has been called on. If there is not proof of his skill there is not proof we are all alive! It's all there, just watch the games!


I guess most the entire NFL who call brady one of the best of all time if not the best are all making it up for fun!!!

Bledsoe stinks. He is a statue and throws into triple coverage and crap like that way too much.

[Dos Equis]

Bledsoe stinks. He is a statue and throws into triple coverage and crap like that way too much.

I agree.

[body88]

Bledsoe stinks. He is a statue and throws into triple coverage and crap like that way too much.

Right, the point was the Bellichick system could not make just anyone a amazing qb. Nevermind a three time superbowl winner,12-1 postseason, wildly successful with 3 sets of different receivers (who are not top 20 guys, in a 6 year period), 2 time superbowl MVP and league leading passer with a 92 plus rating (in 05). Bellichick and Brady was the ying to the yang. A coaching/defensive genius mated to a QB with the clutch ability/skill to bring the system to life.

Back when Bledsoe led the pats to a superbowl in 97 he was considered a good qb. The Bledsoe reference was to the "decent" comment. In his prime Bledsoe was certainly "decent" I was speaking of the 97 - 2002 Bledsoe, not the current, over the hill version.

Bledsoe is far past his prime and should just retire.


Bledsoe's #

1996 New England 16   83.7 373 623 59.9 4086 255.4 6.6 27 15   24 27 1.7 1.1 0   30 190   9   
 
1997 New England 16   87.7 314 522 60.2 3706 231.6 7.1 28 15   28 55 3.4 2.0 0   30 258   4
 
1998 New England 14   80.9 263 481 54.7 3633 259.5 7.6 20 14   28 44 3.1 1.6 0   36 295   9
 
1999 New England 16   75.6 305 539 56.6 3985 249.1 7.4 19 21   42 101 6.3 2.4 0   55 342     

 2000 New England 16   77.3 312 531 58.8 3291 205.7 6.2 17 13   47 158 9.9 3.4 2   45 264   9 
 
2001 New England 2   75.3 40 66 60.6 400 200.0 6.1 2 2   5 18 9.0 3.6 0   5 21   1 0   
 
2002 Buffalo 16   86.0 375 610 61.5 4359 272.4 7.1 24 15   27 67 4.2 2.5 2   54 369   10 4

[thisiskeith12]

Okay, so that's one year he may have put up decent numbers. He was still a sack addict. And still throws into triple coverage.

Right, the point was the Bellichick system could not make just anyone a amazing qb. Nevermind a three time superbowl winner,12-1 postseason, wildly successful with 3 sets of different receivers (who are not top 20 guys, in a 6 year period), 2 time superbowl MVP and league leading passer with a 92 plus rating (in 05). Bellichick and Brady was the ying to the yang. A coaching/defensive genius mated to a QB with the clutch ability/skill to bring the system to life.

Back when Bledsoe led the pats to a superbowl in 97 he was considered a good qb. The Bledsoe reference was to the "decent" comment. In his prime Bledsoe was certainly "decent" I was speaking of the 97 - 2002 Bledsoe, not the current, over the hill version.

Bledsoe is far past his prime and should just retire.


Bledsoe's #

1996 New England 16   83.7 373 623 59.9 4086 255.4 6.6 27 15   24 27 1.7 1.1 0   30 190   9   
 
1997 New England 16   87.7 314 522 60.2 3706 231.6 7.1 28 15   28 55 3.4 2.0 0   30 258   4
 
1998 New England 14   80.9 263 481 54.7 3633 259.5 7.6 20 14   28 44 3.1 1.6 0   36 295   9
 
1999 New England 16   75.6 305 539 56.6 3985 249.1 7.4 19 21   42 101 6.3 2.4 0   55 342     

 2000 New England 16   77.3 312 531 58.8 3291 205.7 6.2 17 13   47 158 9.9 3.4 2   45 264   9 
 
2001 New England 2   75.3 40 66 60.6 400 200.0 6.1 2 2   5 18 9.0 3.6 0   5 21   1 0   
 
2002 Buffalo 16   86.0 375 610 61.5 4359 272.4 7.1 24 15   27 67 4.2 2.5 2   54 369   10 4

[bmacsys]

Right, the point was the Bellichick system could not make just anyone a amazing qb. Nevermind a three time superbowl winner,12-1 postseason, wildly successful with 3 sets of different receivers (who are not top 20 guys, in a 6 year period), 2 time superbowl MVP and league leading passer with a 92 plus rating (in 05). Bellichick and Brady was the ying to the yang. A coaching/defensive genius mated to a QB with the clutch ability/skill to bring the system to life.

Back when Bledsoe led the pats to a superbowl in 97 he was considered a good qb. The Bledsoe reference was to the "decent" comment. In his prime Bledsoe was certainly "decent" I was speaking of the 97 - 2002 Bledsoe, not the current, over the hill version.

Bledsoe is far past his prime and should just retire.


Bledsoe's #

1996 New England 16   83.7 373 623 59.9 4086 255.4 6.6 27 15   24 27 1.7 1.1 0   30 190   9   
 
1997 New England 16   87.7 314 522 60.2 3706 231.6 7.1 28 15   28 55 3.4 2.0 0   30 258   4
 
1998 New England 14   80.9 263 481 54.7 3633 259.5 7.6 20 14   28 44 3.1 1.6 0   36 295   9
 
1999 New England 16   75.6 305 539 56.6 3985 249.1 7.4 19 21   42 101 6.3 2.4 0   55 342     

 2000 New England 16   77.3 312 531 58.8 3291 205.7 6.2 17 13   47 158 9.9 3.4 2   45 264   9 
 
2001 New England 2   75.3 40 66 60.6 400 200.0 6.1 2 2   5 18 9.0 3.6 0   5 21   1 0   
 
2002 Buffalo 16   86.0 375 610 61.5 4359 272.4 7.1 24 15   27 67 4.2 2.5 2   54 369   10 4

Didn't Bledsoe and Rick Mirer go 1 and 2 in the draft in 1993? Both were built up to be as good as Marino, Elway, Montana etc...

[RUDE BUOY]

mirer was a fucken joke for Seattle at least bledsoe can keep a team competitive

[body88]

mirer was a fucken joke for Seattle at least bledsoe can keep a team competitive

In his prime he was a good qb. Not great, but def good. people look at him now when he is over the hill and should be retired.

[body88]

Here are some stats of Brady and Mannings.



sept 30 2001

Brady Td's 0 Int 0 cp% (56.5)
                                                     Pats 44 - 13
Mannings Td's 1 Int 3 cp% (58)


Oct 21 2001

Brady Td's 3  Int 0      cp% (80)
                                                     Pats 38 - 17
Mannings Td's 1  Int 0   cp% (64.7)


Nov 30 2003

Brady Td's 2  Int 2       cp% (75)
                                                     Pats 38 - 34
Mannings Td's 4  Int 1   cp% (57)


Jan 18 2004

Brady Td's 1  Int 1       cp% (59.5)
                                                     Pats 24 - 14
Mannings Td's 1  Int 4   cp% (48.9)



Sept 9 2004

Brady Td's 3  Int 1       cp% (68.3)
                                                     Pats 27 - 24
Mannings Td's 2  Int 1   cp% (55.2)



Jan 16 2005

Brady Td's 1  Int 0       cp% (66.9)
                                                     Pats 20 - 3    (2003 afc championship)
Mannings Td's 0  Int 1   cp% (64)




Nov 7 2005

Brady Td's 3  Int 0       cp% (67)
                                                      colts 40 - 21     
Mannings Td's 3  Int 1   cp% (74)



Nov 5 2006


Brady Td's 0  Int 4       cp% (58)
                                                      colts 27 - 20       
Mannings Td's 2  Int 1   cp% (55)



Total playoff interception/td ratio for manning and Brady[/b] (vs all teams)

Brady 19 td 8 int

Manning 16 td 13 int



Brady 12 - 1 postseason

Manning 5 - 6


Manning - 60 season regular victories

Brady - 59


Brady - 3 time superbowl champion, 2 time superbowl mvp

Manning - 2 time leauge mvp, holder and breaker of numerous nfl records.


Brady : Led leauge in passing 05, 4110  yards 92.3

Manning : Led in 03, 4267 yards, rating 99



Current playoff stats

                                                    td  int
1 Tom Brady NE               492  85  49  4   3  49  75.2   (worst playoff performance of career)
2 Peyton ManningIND        438  68  45  1   5  42  58.3   (also struggling)
    


I think Manning is one of the greatest qb's ever. These are merley stats from when the two faced of over the last six years. They are also stats from the playoffs as a whole.Some stats are rfom the regular season also. The are stats pulled from nfl.com and other credible sites. I am looking forward to tommorow's game as I think both qb's will have a great day. Merley a breakdown of the playoff history of the two great qb's.