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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: MattT on October 09, 2006, 11:20:34 PM
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He looked way better then he did at the Mr O. His midsection is improved, his condition was improved, and overall just looked way better then Jay. I think the judges were all just caught up in the Jay hype. Ronnie will destroy Jay next year!
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His back looks way better then at the Mr O!
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Its called politics. Nothing at all impressive in Cutler at all. Stocky and waist cercumference.
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Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie............
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Its called politics. Nothing at all impressive in Cutler at all. Stocky and waist cercumference.
agreed
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Ronnie is wounded. End of story. What a pity and a real shame for him.
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:o Ronnie is owning Jay in the Back shots again!
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it did not take ronnie that long to recover.. Give him a year of training while pissed off that he lost!
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He looked way better then he did at the Mr O. His midsection is improved, his condition was improved, and overall just looked way better then Jay. I think the judges were all just caught up in the Jay hype. Ronnie will destroy Jay next year!
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His back looks way better then at the Mr O!
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When you tell a lie tell a big lie - now we know all the IFBB judges think in unison!!
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Ronnie is wounded. End of story. What a pity and a real shame for him.
ok dude its really time for you to stfu.
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Ronnie is amazing and flawed at the same time. We haven't seen anyone like him before. Sure he looks fantastic in the videos. Quite the giant. However, judges and others can make an assessment based on criteria and decide that Ronnie was not the best. It is about time this happened. I know there are a lot of Ronnie fans on Getbig and many are walking around still stunned by that loss. The unthinkable has happened and they no longer have their god to worship.
If you look at the two sides to Ronnie's back in the double biceps you have to admit it is career over. He will no longer be able to lift that heavy again and we wonder what affect the atrophy will have on his mind and physique. Game over, I am afraid.
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:o Ronnie is owning Jay in the Back shots again!
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it did not take ronnie that long to recover.. Give him a year of training while pissed off that he lost!
The blatant is not that Ronnie may again own Cutler from the rear but that Ronnie's wheels so big from the rear next to the wheels of current Mr O. Its not even funny. Ronnie is a true warrior, the vilume is unreal.
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Jay's entire left side is bigger than his right. Get over it. I can't wait for Ronnie to win #9 next year.
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Ronnie is amazing and flawed at the same time. We haven't seen anyone like him before. Sure he looks fantastic in the videos. Quite the giant. However, judges and others can make an assessment based on criteria and decide that Ronnie was not the best. It is about time this happened. I know there are a lot of Ronnie fans on Getbig and many are walking around still stunned by that loss. The unthinkable has happened and they no longer have their god to worship.
If you look at that two sides to Ronnie's back in the double biceps you have to admit it is career over. He will no longer be able to lift that heavy again and we wonder what affect the atrophy will have on his mind and physique. Game over, I am afraid.
This sounds like a repeat of the Gunthermania hype we all heard after he beat Ronnie at the show of strenght in 2002 - Gunther was the next generation and Ronnie and his bloated midsection was yesterday's news, well we all know what happened in 2003 ;D
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Ronnie is amazing and flawed at the same time. We haven't seen anyone like him before. Sure he looks fantastic in the videos. Quite the giant. However, judges and others can make an assessment based on criteria and decide that Ronnie was not the best. It is about time this happened. I know there are a lot of Ronnie fans on Getbig and many are walking around still stunned by that loss. The unthinkable has happened and they no longer have their god to worship.
If you look at that two sides to Ronnie's back in the double biceps you have to admit it is career over. He will no longer be able to lift that heavy again and we wonder what affect the atrophy will have on his mind and physique. Game over, I am afraid.
Come on dude so is Jay - look at the front db biceps shot - Ronnie kills him, Jay has a serious lack of detail in his arms are and they are uneven plus his midsection looks wide as hell!!! From the back db bi (and also in the ab\thi) Jay's torso to his legs go in a streight line no X-frame at all!!
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Look, fellas, you keep ignoring the obvious. Jay beat Ronnie at his own game. The back. Plus the calves. How do you factor that into assessing a physique? The plain truth is Ronnie is amazing but incomplete as a bodybuilder. His calves are terrible and you really have to be blind to ignor that flaw. Jay is not perfect but Ronnie knew he was coming huge and cut so he pulled out all the stops and ended up injuring himself. If he can come back and win next year that will be quite a story. I am amazed that he still looks so big even with those injuries. That shows what a champion he is. Reality will set in and I think his career is over. A lot of Getbiggers will be crying for months.
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Look, fellas, you keep ignoring the obvious. Jay beat Ronnie at his own game. The back. Plus the calves. How do you factor that into assessing a physique? The plain truth is Ronnie is amazing but incomplete as a bodybuilder. His calves are terrible and you really have to be blind to ignor that flaw. Jay is not perfect but Ronnie knew he was coming huge and cut so he pulled out all the stops and ended up injuring himself. If he can come back and win next year that will be quite a story. I am amazed that he still looks so big even with those injuries. That shows what a champion he is. Reality will set in and I think his career is over. A lot of Getbiggers will be crying for months.
I thought you are only old...now I know you are blind too...
Are you actualy saying Jay looks better in these pics? Beside the calves he got nothing on Ronnie.
Stop smoking that crack ;D
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im a massive jay fan, hes been my favourite for years, but even i can see Ronnie has him beaten in those shots
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Even with his injury, coleman still has more separation, details than cutler.
If that injury is so bad that it makes him retire then all the guys whith those nasty ripped pec should stop their career immediatly cause it looks worse, much worse.
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Look, fellas, you keep ignoring the obvious. Jay beat Ronnie at his own game. The back. Plus the calves. How do you factor that into assessing a physique? The plain truth is Ronnie is amazing but incomplete as a bodybuilder. His calves are terrible and you really have to be blind to ignor that flaw. Jay is not perfect but Ronnie knew he was coming huge and cut so he pulled out all the stops and ended up injuring himself. If he can come back and win next year that will be quite a story. I am amazed that he still looks so big even with those injuries. That shows what a champion he is. Reality will set in and I think his career is over. A lot of Getbiggers will be crying for months.
Yep, the bottom line is Ronnie got de-throwned and got a serious reality check (as he was cocky as hell leading up to the show) and now it's time for him to shit or get off the pot - so we gotta wait til 07 to see what happens 8)
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:o Ronnie is owning Jay in the Back shots again!
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/2006%20Dutch%20GP/Prejudging9.jpg)
it did not take ronnie that long to recover.. Give him a year of training while pissed off that he lost!
shut up..jay still owns ronnies ass from the rear..ronnie still looks like shit
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Yep, the bottom line is Ronnie got de-throwned and got a serious reality check (as he was cocky as hell leading up to the show) and now it's time for him to shit or get off the pot - so we gotta wait til 07 to see what happens 8)
He got cocky and that made him lose (although it was far froma convincing win).
But as you can see he can get into "Jay raping mode" in a week,he will redo 2003!
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Calling me old is not winning the argument. In my day you had to have calves to win. That was called having proportions. What the heck do you call what Ronnie presents with those gastrocnemius? That isn't bodybuilding. If I were blind like a lot of Getbiggers I would ignor such a flaw. However, I have been saying the same thing for years now but the judges gave him the title. Now when they didn't all of a sudden it is the observers who are mistaken and blind. Nice try. Grown men will be sobbing for months and perhaps for years. So what if you like Ronnie's physique? I don't. If the judges agree with me I say it is about time. You sore losers can weep all you want but it won't change the results.
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Why do you invoke "iron age" criteria in order to prove your view on cutler. It's not
like the guy has some sort of classic physique.
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He he, it just took Coleman a week to bit Jay again amazing ;D
Oh, the judges in Amsterdam were wrong ofcourse, sheep.
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Why do you invoke "iron age" criteria in order to prove your view on cutler. It's not
like the guy has some sort of classic physique.
Old grumpy men dont think clearly :-\
Coleman owns Cutler,deal with it people.
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Why do you invoke "iron age" criteria in order to prove your view on cutler. It's not
like the guy has some sort of classic physique.
Bassically this is what I'm wondering - he's not being unbiased with his critisims, if we should go by total shape and structure then Dex should have the Mr. O title. Jay's wide ass waste line doesn't fly by those old school standards neither does that smaller right bicep ::)
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Coleman is much better in the last contest!!!! jay is a bloated fish , wide waist , one arm and leg is smaller than the other, Jay uses a lot of oil in his upper body , he has no striations on his upper body .
Ronnie #1
Bassically this is what I'm wondering - he's not being unbiased with his critisims, if we should go by total shape and structure then Dex should have the Mr. O title. Jay's wide ass waste line doesn't fly by those old school standards neither does that smaller right bicep ::)
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Wannabe must be going through a collapse of some sort. It is good to post on Getbig and find others who feel like you do. However, getting support is not sufficient to win this debate. I do not apply any old Ironage criteria to judging bodybuilding contests although that would be a huge improvement. I think for myself and have always done so. I have been around longer than most here and I must say bodybuilding has changed over the years. We didn't have the internet in the old days and the only way you could find out about contests was to wait forbodybuilding magazines. They came out serveral months after the event. Nowadays everything is instant and you can see photos and make your own mind up about who was the best and so on. Lots of guys showed up in great condition at the Olympia. If Dexter had calves that is the guy I would have voted for. Ronnie Rockel looked great, too. Then Victor and Jay. I don't like Jay's ab pose. That really is awful. So Jay beating Ronnie is sort of the best of the big guys award. It is not for aesthetics. If you watch past Olympias via videos then Ronnie shines. How can you give anyone else the award when he looks so much bigger and harder. However, when you examine all the recent comparison photos then it is clear this year that Ronnie does not have an edge. It was a shock even to the Ronnie haters. The Jay fans are delighted and now the Ronnie lads are assembling and trying to make each other feel good about what went down. God simply no longer had any use for Ronnie. Does that help?
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Wannabe must be going through a collapse of some sort. It is good to post on Getbig and find others who feel like you do. However, getting support is not sufficient to win this debate. I do not apply any old Ironage criteria to judging bodybuilding contests although that would be a huge improvement. I think for myself and have always done so. I have been around longer than most here and I must say bodybuilding has changed over the years. We didn't have the internet in the old days and the only way you could find out about contests was to wait forbodybuilding magazines. They came out serveral months after the event. Nowadays everything is instant and you can see photos and make your own mind up about who was the best and so on. Lots of guys showed up in great condition at the Olympia. If Dexter had calves that is the guy I would have voted for. Ronnie Rockel looked great, too. Then Victor and Jay. I don't like Jay's ab pose. That really is awful. So Jay beating Ronnie is sort of the best of the big guys award. It is not for aesthetics. If you watch past Olympias via videos then Ronnie shines. How can you give anyone else the award when he looks so much bigger and harder. However, when you examine all the recent comparison photos then it is clear this year that Ronnie does not have an edge. It was a shock even to the Ronnie haters. The Jay fans are delighted and now the Ronnie lads are assembling and trying to make each other feel good about what went down. God simply no longer had any use for Ronnie. Does that help?
Dare I say it?.....meltdown? ;)
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Dare I say it?.....meltdown? ;)
More like writedown,what the hell make him think he is intresting enough to make someone read all his 10 pages posts? ::)
Vince at least write in paragraphs so it will be easier on the eye to read that.
Anyway,no way around the fact Ronnie is better than Jay.
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Kids its all apples and oranges ;D ;D ;D
Ronnie deserved to loose the Olympia, and Jay should get props for beating him, to come second 4 times in a row and still hang in there just shows what kind of champions he really is.
However, going by the pics of the Dutch grand prix it seems Ronnie looks to be the one in better shape, I wasn't there so I cant say for sure, but we are going to have a really interesting season for 2007
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They had an IFBB grand prix years ago in Australia that Bob Paris and Gary Strydom competed in. Gary easily won in Sydney but someone else 'won' in Melbourne. I thought at the time that maybe they signed contracts for sharing the prize money and having different guys win was one way to divide the money. I have no idea what happened in Melbourne but to my eyes Gary was far superior to anyone else that day.
The Olympia is an event where reputations matter and therefore this is an emotional event. We all have our favourites and sometimes they don't fare well. Can anyone objectively argue Ronnie's case? What is the point. It was the same thing for the last several years and those of us who have a different idea about what constitutes the best physique were brushed aside by Ronnie's Getbig fan club. This year the tables are turned and those guys are claiming foul play.
So what if Ronnie showed up in Holland cut to ribbons. Too little, too late. Game over until next year.
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Ronnie never had calves like for example Dorian. With your reasoning Ronnie should never have won - not even once - because of his calves.
Calves, like forearms is mostly, if not entirely genetic, if calves are going to play such a big role in judging as you think then so should forearms.
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Now you got it. It was a big mistake to let a guy win who didn't have all bodyparts in proportion. When he won people assumed he deserved to win and look at the subsequent mess in bodybuilding. So what if he is huge? Too many guys win today because they have that so-called condition. Guys like Darrem Charles shouldn't win big shows. His condition does it. When awful physiques like Charles and Colemen win it is bad for the sport.
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shut up..jay still owns ronnies ass from the rear..ronnie still looks like shit
You are a true dipshit. Go back to sleep. Jay looks like shit. Ronnie at 80% shits all over Gutler. Gutler has no chest and a flat back. He has zero striations or valleys in his back. Most pathetic Mr. Olympia ever.
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Shawn Ray what's your thoughts on this?
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Now you got it. It was a big mistake to let a guy win who didn't have all bodyparts in proportion. When he won people assumed he deserved to win and look at the subsequent mess in bodybuilding. So what if he is huge? Too many guys win today because they have that so-called condition. Guys like Darrem Charles shouldn't win big shows. His condition does it. When awful physiques like Charles and Colemen win it is bad for the sport.
So your implying the most proportionate bber should win even if he has poor (relatively speaking) condition?
Folly. ;D
You are a true dipshit. Go back to sleep. Jay looks like shit. Ronnie at 80% shits all over Gutler. Gutler has no chest and a flat back. He has zero striations or valleys in his back. Most pathetic Mr. Olympia ever.
Agreed one hundred percent.
Outrageous decision making.
A very sad phase for bodybuilding that will no doubt in posterity be viewed as an embarassment.
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Shawn Ray what's your thoughts on this?
if you listened to the radio show youd know you stupisd retard! shawn and bob said jay easilly won the show!
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im a massive jay fan, hes been my favourite for years, but even i can see Ronnie has him beaten in those shots
Yea...I have to concur.....I am a big fan of both these guys - Ronnie looks awesome here - So does Jay but Ronnie looks like the Ronnie we all thought would show up at the Olympia.......
Ronnie should have won this show.
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Its called politics. Nothing at all impressive in Cutler at all. Stocky and waist cercumference.
Jay's banality extends beyond the physique to the persona. He's stupefying.
This Coleman loss proves that Weider could've injected more interest into the show some decades ago-you really think there's not more interest this year because of what happened? Finally the show's less predictable; long overdue.
One of the real flaws in Coleman's physique has been thighs, as much as a calf deficiency that he could've addressed better. Those calves could've been improved, while thighs have always been too big. A long time ago he should've made a decision to spend equal time refining the thighs while bringing them down in size, while bringing the calves up. All that extra quality would've moved him up yet another notch up as a champion.
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Let me get this straight.Ronnie is uneven from the back and has no calves.So,the fact that Jay has one arm and leg thats bigger then the other is fine, and hamstrings and glutes that are miles behind Ronnies doesnt mean a thing.Funny,Ronnie gets accused of being cocky,but Jay avoids all critcism for saying he thought he beat Ronnie every year despite getting stomped everytime.Very strange indeed.
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He looked way better then he did at the Mr O. His midsection is improved, his condition was improved, and overall just looked way better then Jay. I think the judges were all just caught up in the Jay hype. Ronnie will destroy Jay next year!
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His back looks way better then at the Mr O!
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It does look better. Good Ronnie... needs to present the package better in his poses
his midsection looks 100% better in that picture < picture is the key word>
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ronnie is better than jay..jay has no vascularity.......but both ronnie and jay suck (ronnie was amazing 97-98)
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Judging is based on flaws and not on good points so it's obvious ronnie gains a lot of points due to his left lat
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Judging is based on flaws and not on good points so it's obvious ronnie gains a lot of points due to his left lat
good point! ronnie fans see this big ripped monster, but put the blinders on to the all important flaws!
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Once you start winning the Olympia, every other shows seems to be in your favor, hmm ???
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Its called politics. Nothing at all impressive in Cutler at all. Stocky and waist cercumference.
DITTO................... .....
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Wannabe must be going through a collapse of some sort. It is good to post on Getbig and find others who feel like you do. However, getting support is not sufficient to win this debate. I do not apply any old Ironage criteria to judging bodybuilding contests although that would be a huge improvement. I think for myself and have always done so. I have been around longer than most here and I must say bodybuilding has changed over the years. We didn't have the internet in the old days and the only way you could find out about contests was to wait forbodybuilding magazines. They came out serveral months after the event. Nowadays everything is instant and you can see photos and make your own mind up about who was the best and so on. Lots of guys showed up in great condition at the Olympia. If Dexter had calves that is the guy I would have voted for. Ronnie Rockel looked great, too. Then Victor and Jay. I don't like Jay's ab pose. That really is awful. So Jay beating Ronnie is sort of the best of the big guys award. It is not for aesthetics. If you watch past Olympias via videos then Ronnie shines. How can you give anyone else the award when he looks so much bigger and harder. However, when you examine all the recent comparison photos then it is clear this year that Ronnie does not have an edge. It was a shock even to the Ronnie haters. The Jay fans are delighted and now the Ronnie lads are assembling and trying to make each other feel good about what went down. God simply no longer had any use for Ronnie. Does that help?
When are you ever going to shut your mouth? Nobody cares that you post here.
Hope this helps
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When are you ever going to shut your mouth? Nobody cares that you post here.
Hope this helps
Easy there. At the very least he provokes thoughtful discussion. Your posts on the other hand, are for the most part useless drivel and more suited to people with room temperature I.Q.'s.
Hope this helps.
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It does look better. Good Ronnie... needs to present the package better in his poses
his midsection looks 100% better in that picture < picture is the key word>
Ronnie smoked'um! :o
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Ronnie smoked'um! :o
I do agree that it appears that Ronnie beat Jay this time around. It is a shame they didn't give it to him if only to make next year more interesting at the Olympia.
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He looked way better then he did at the Mr O. His midsection is improved, his condition was improved, and overall just looked way better then Jay. I think the judges were all just caught up in the Jay hype. Ronnie will destroy Jay next year!
the ifbb have declared jay there new poster boy so i guess ronnies a Tsinking ship, thats the way it works, its a joke, and most of these brainbox bodybuilders always defend the ifbb to try and score brownie points, its not going to change, although i dont thnk ronnie deserved the olympia with the shape he was in this year with the tears and all, i believe if he fixes these things and comes in on he will be the best on stage, but as most peple know being best on stage isnt anywhere close to being the main reason bodybuilders win shows.
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Are we going to see these g*ddamn comparison pics between cutler and coleman forever. Its over, Jay won, stop the bullshit comparison shots. Its so tired.
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Ronnie smoked'um! :o
Yes its seems that most people on here are in favor that ronnie should have won the Dutch show:) that is good to see..
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They both look great.
I must say that it boggles my mind that Ronnie poses so poorly after all of these years. He doesn't even come close to hitting his front or rear lat spreads correctly. How can that be?
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All you Jay nuthuggers are some fairweather bitches.
Coleman, injuries and all still has MUCH thicker rhomboids traps and lower back...you girls are blind.
Jay's back is the best it's ever going to be and itcomes NOWHERE near Ronnies at his best.
In fact Jay has the worst back on Mr.O in the past 30 years.
Ronnies back is the standard by which all other are measured and Jay knows it.
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Coleman would have won the O looking like this.
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All you Jay nuthuggers are some fairweather bitches.
Coleman, injuries and all still has MUCH thicker rhomboids traps and lower back...you girls are blind.
Jay's back is the best it's ever going to be and itcomes NOWHERE near Ronnies at his best.
In fact Jay has the worst back on Mr.O in the past 30 years.
Ronnies back is the standard by which all other are measured and Jay knows it.
I think this is a stretch. I agree Coleman's back at its best was unbeatable (maybe Dorain in his prime?) but other than that your post stinks of ignorance. Maybe tone it down or provide proof Jay's back is worse than say, Dickerson's.
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Wannabe must be going through a collapse of some sort. It is good to post on Getbig and find others who feel like you do. However, getting support is not sufficient to win this debate. I do not apply any old Ironage criteria to judging bodybuilding contests although that would be a huge improvement. I think for myself and have always done so. I have been around longer than most here and I must say bodybuilding has changed over the years. We didn't have the internet in the old days and the only way you could find out about contests was to wait forbodybuilding magazines. They came out serveral months after the event. Nowadays everything is instant and you can see photos and make your own mind up about who was the best and so on. Lots of guys showed up in great condition at the Olympia. If Dexter had calves that is the guy I would have voted for. Ronnie Rockel looked great, too. Then Victor and Jay. I don't like Jay's ab pose. That really is awful. So Jay beating Ronnie is sort of the best of the big guys award. It is not for aesthetics. If you watch past Olympias via videos then Ronnie shines. How can you give anyone else the award when he looks so much bigger and harder. However, when you examine all the recent comparison photos then it is clear this year that Ronnie does not have an edge. It was a shock even to the Ronnie haters. The Jay fans are delighted and now the Ronnie lads are assembling and trying to make each other feel good about what went down. God simply no longer had any use for Ronnie. Does that help?
OK and your point is ??? Look what you are talking about is not just happening in BBing it's global - IT'S CALLED HUMAN ADVANCEMENT AND TECHNOLOGY :o Man they also didn't have ABS breaks or airbags (standard) on cars either - so what's your point with this "back in da day" drivel - look we have the net and things are quick and efficient PERIOD ;D
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;D