Author Topic: WTF How did Coleman Lose the Dutch GP?? (Read 10352 times)

LASTREP72 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 10, 2006, 01:49:01 AM »

Quote from: cqfd on October 10, 2006, 01:39:29 AM

Why do you invoke "iron age" criteria in order to prove your view on cutler. It's not
like the guy has some sort of classic physique.

Bassically this is what I'm wondering - he's not being unbiased with his critisims, if we should go by total shape and structure then Dex should have the Mr. O title. Jay's wide ass waste line doesn't fly by those old school standards neither does that smaller right bicep

kingNOLI · « **Reply #26 on:** October 10, 2006, 02:13:12 AM »

Coleman is much better in the last contest!!!! jay is a bloated fish , wide waist , one arm and leg is smaller than the other, Jay uses a lot of oil in his upper body , he has no striations on his upper body .

Ronnie #1

Quote from: LASTREP72 on October 10, 2006, 01:49:01 AM

Bassically this is what I'm wondering - he's not being unbiased with his critisims, if we should go by total shape and structure then Dex should have the Mr. O title. Jay's wide ass waste line doesn't fly by those old school standards neither does that smaller right bicep

Vince B · « **Reply #27 on:** October 10, 2006, 02:13:29 AM »

Wannabe must be going through a collapse of some sort. It is good to post on Getbig and find others who feel like you do. However, getting support is not sufficient to win this debate. I do not apply any old Ironage criteria to judging bodybuilding contests although that would be a huge improvement. I think for myself and have always done so. I have been around longer than most here and I must say bodybuilding has changed over the years. We didn't have the internet in the old days and the only way you could find out about contests was to wait forbodybuilding magazines. They came out serveral months after the event. Nowadays everything is instant and you can see photos and make your own mind up about who was the best and so on. Lots of guys showed up in great condition at the Olympia. If Dexter had calves that is the guy I would have voted for. Ronnie Rockel looked great, too. Then Victor and Jay. I don't like Jay's ab pose. That really is awful. So Jay beating Ronnie is sort of the best of the big guys award. It is not for aesthetics. If you watch past Olympias via videos then Ronnie shines. How can you give anyone else the award when he looks so much bigger and harder. However, when you examine all the recent comparison photos then it is clear this year that Ronnie does not have an edge. It was a shock even to the Ronnie haters. The Jay fans are delighted and now the Ronnie lads are assembling and trying to make each other feel good about what went down. God simply no longer had any use for Ronnie. Does that help?

Samourai Pizzacat · « **Reply #28 on:** October 10, 2006, 02:21:35 AM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on October 10, 2006, 02:13:29 AM

Wannabe must be going through a collapse of some sort. It is good to post on Getbig and find others who feel like you do. However, getting support is not sufficient to win this debate. I do not apply any old Ironage criteria to judging bodybuilding contests although that would be a huge improvement. I think for myself and have always done so. I have been around longer than most here and I must say bodybuilding has changed over the years. We didn't have the internet in the old days and the only way you could find out about contests was to wait forbodybuilding magazines. They came out serveral months after the event. Nowadays everything is instant and you can see photos and make your own mind up about who was the best and so on. Lots of guys showed up in great condition at the Olympia. If Dexter had calves that is the guy I would have voted for. Ronnie Rockel looked great, too. Then Victor and Jay. I don't like Jay's ab pose. That really is awful. So Jay beating Ronnie is sort of the best of the big guys award. It is not for aesthetics. If you watch past Olympias via videos then Ronnie shines. How can you give anyone else the award when he looks so much bigger and harder. However, when you examine all the recent comparison photos then it is clear this year that Ronnie does not have an edge. It was a shock even to the Ronnie haters. The Jay fans are delighted and now the Ronnie lads are assembling and trying to make each other feel good about what went down. God simply no longer had any use for Ronnie. Does that help?

Dare I say it?.....meltdown?

IFBBwannaB · « **Reply #29 on:** October 10, 2006, 02:29:11 AM »

Quote from: Samourai Pizzacat on October 10, 2006, 02:21:35 AM

Dare I say it?.....meltdown?

More like writedown,what the hell make him think he is intresting enough to make someone read all his 10 pages posts?

Vince at least write in paragraphs so it will be easier on the eye to read that.

Anyway,no way around the fact Ronnie is better than Jay.

Brian_Bullman · « **Reply #30 on:** October 10, 2006, 02:37:59 AM »

Kids its all apples and oranges

Ronnie deserved to loose the Olympia, and Jay should get props for beating him, to come second 4 times in a row and still hang in there just shows what kind of champions he really is.

However, going by the pics of the Dutch grand prix it seems Ronnie looks to be the one in better shape, I wasn't there so I cant say for sure, but we are going to have a really interesting season for 2007

Vince B · « **Reply #31 on:** October 10, 2006, 02:43:52 AM »

They had an IFBB grand prix years ago in Australia that Bob Paris and Gary Strydom competed in. Gary easily won in Sydney but someone else 'won' in Melbourne. I thought at the time that maybe they signed contracts for sharing the prize money and having different guys win was one way to divide the money. I have no idea what happened in Melbourne but to my eyes Gary was far superior to anyone else that day.

The Olympia is an event where reputations matter and therefore this is an emotional event. We all have our favourites and sometimes they don't fare well. Can anyone objectively argue Ronnie's case? What is the point. It was the same thing for the last several years and those of us who have a different idea about what constitutes the best physique were brushed aside by Ronnie's Getbig fan club. This year the tables are turned and those guys are claiming foul play.

So what if Ronnie showed up in Holland cut to ribbons. Too little, too late. Game over until next year.

Bluto · « **Reply #32 on:** October 10, 2006, 02:49:25 AM »

Ronnie never had calves like for example Dorian. With your reasoning Ronnie should never have won - not even once - because of his calves.

Calves, like forearms is mostly, if not entirely genetic, if calves are going to play such a big role in judging as you think then so should forearms.

Vince B · « **Reply #33 on:** October 10, 2006, 03:08:11 AM »

Now you got it. It was a big mistake to let a guy win who didn't have all bodyparts in proportion. When he won people assumed he deserved to win and look at the subsequent mess in bodybuilding. So what if he is huge? Too many guys win today because they have that so-called condition. Guys like Darrem Charles shouldn't win big shows. His condition does it. When awful physiques like Charles and Colemen win it is bad for the sport.

nicorulez · « **Reply #34 on:** October 10, 2006, 04:55:38 AM »

Quote from: the shadow on October 10, 2006, 01:07:31 AM

shut up..jay still owns ronnies ass from the rear..ronnie still looks like shit

You are a true dipshit. Go back to sleep. Jay looks like shit. Ronnie at 80% shits all over Gutler. Gutler has no chest and a flat back. He has zero striations or valleys in his back. Most pathetic Mr. Olympia ever.

MattT · « **Reply #35 on:** October 10, 2006, 04:56:12 AM »

Shawn Ray what's your thoughts on this?

sculpture · « **Reply #36 on:** October 10, 2006, 04:59:25 AM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on October 10, 2006, 03:08:11 AM

Now you got it. It was a big mistake to let a guy win who didn't have all bodyparts in proportion. When he won people assumed he deserved to win and look at the subsequent mess in bodybuilding. So what if he is huge? Too many guys win today because they have that so-called condition. Guys like Darrem Charles shouldn't win big shows. His condition does it. When awful physiques like Charles and Colemen win it is bad for the sport.

So your implying the most proportionate bber should win even if he has poor (relatively speaking) condition?

Folly.

Quote from: nicorulez on October 10, 2006, 04:55:38 AM

You are a true dipshit. Go back to sleep. Jay looks like shit. Ronnie at 80% shits all over Gutler. Gutler has no chest and a flat back. He has zero striations or valleys in his back. Most pathetic Mr. Olympia ever.

Agreed one hundred percent.

Outrageous decision making.

A very sad phase for bodybuilding that will no doubt in posterity be viewed as an embarassment.

slayer · « **Reply #37 on:** October 10, 2006, 05:03:14 AM »

Quote from: MattT on October 10, 2006, 04:56:12 AM

Shawn Ray what's your thoughts on this?

if you listened to the radio show youd know you stupisd retard! shawn and bob said jay easilly won the show!

Weightpit · « **Reply #38 on:** October 10, 2006, 05:08:35 AM »

Quote from: Scimowser on October 10, 2006, 12:45:46 AM

im a massive jay fan, hes been my favourite for years, but even i can see Ronnie has him beaten in those shots

Yea...I have to concur.....I am a big fan of both these guys - Ronnie looks awesome here - So does Jay but Ronnie looks like the Ronnie we all thought would show up at the Olympia.......

Ronnie should have won this show.

pumpster · « **Reply #39 on:** October 10, 2006, 05:16:14 AM »

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Its called politics. Nothing at all impressive in Cutler at all. Stocky and waist cercumference.

Jay's banality extends beyond the physique to the persona. He's stupefying.

This Coleman loss proves that Weider could've injected more interest into the show some decades ago-you really think there's not more interest this year because of what happened? Finally the show's less predictable; long overdue.

One of the real flaws in Coleman's physique has been thighs, as much as a calf deficiency that he could've addressed better. Those calves could've been improved, while thighs have always been too big. A long time ago he should've made a decision to spend equal time refining the thighs while bringing them down in size, while bringing the calves up. All that extra quality would've moved him up yet another notch up as a champion.

BM OUT · « **Reply #40 on:** October 10, 2006, 05:20:17 AM »

Let me get this straight.Ronnie is uneven from the back and has no calves.So,the fact that Jay has one arm and leg thats bigger then the other is fine, and hamstrings and glutes that are miles behind Ronnies doesnt mean a thing.Funny,Ronnie gets accused of being cocky,but Jay avoids all critcism for saying he thought he beat Ronnie every year despite getting stomped everytime.Very strange indeed.

adipo8 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 10, 2006, 05:21:02 AM »

Quote from: MattT on October 09, 2006, 11:20:34 PM

He looked way better then he did at the Mr O. His midsection is improved, his condition was improved, and overall just looked way better then Jay. I think the judges were all just caught up in the Jay hype. Ronnie will destroy Jay next year!

His back looks way better then at the Mr O!

It does look better. Good Ronnie... needs to present the package better in his poses
his midsection looks 100% better in that picture < picture is the key word>

sammy1980 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 10, 2006, 05:32:05 AM »

ronnie is better than jay..jay has no vascularity.......but both ronnie and jay suck (ronnie was amazing 97-98)

slayer · « **Reply #43 on:** October 10, 2006, 05:33:10 AM »

Moen · « **Reply #44 on:** October 10, 2006, 05:33:55 AM »

Judging is based on flaws and not on good points so it's obvious ronnie gains a lot of points due to his left lat

slayer · « **Reply #45 on:** October 10, 2006, 05:37:34 AM »

Quote from: Moen on October 10, 2006, 05:33:55 AM

Judging is based on flaws and not on good points so it's obvious ronnie gains a lot of points due to his left lat

good point! ronnie fans see this big ripped monster, but put the blinders on to the all important flaws!

HUGEPECS · « **Reply #46 on:** October 10, 2006, 06:25:34 AM »

Once you start winning the Olympia, every other shows seems to be in your favor, hmm

JimmyTheFish · « **Reply #47 on:** October 10, 2006, 07:35:54 AM »

Quote from: theonlyone on October 09, 2006, 11:28:17 PM

Its called politics. Nothing at all impressive in Cutler at all. Stocky and waist cercumference.

DITTO................... .....

sgt. d · « **Reply #48 on:** October 10, 2006, 07:50:28 AM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on October 10, 2006, 02:13:29 AM

Wannabe must be going through a collapse of some sort. It is good to post on Getbig and find others who feel like you do. However, getting support is not sufficient to win this debate. I do not apply any old Ironage criteria to judging bodybuilding contests although that would be a huge improvement. I think for myself and have always done so. I have been around longer than most here and I must say bodybuilding has changed over the years. We didn't have the internet in the old days and the only way you could find out about contests was to wait forbodybuilding magazines. They came out serveral months after the event. Nowadays everything is instant and you can see photos and make your own mind up about who was the best and so on. Lots of guys showed up in great condition at the Olympia. If Dexter had calves that is the guy I would have voted for. Ronnie Rockel looked great, too. Then Victor and Jay. I don't like Jay's ab pose. That really is awful. So Jay beating Ronnie is sort of the best of the big guys award. It is not for aesthetics. If you watch past Olympias via videos then Ronnie shines. How can you give anyone else the award when he looks so much bigger and harder. However, when you examine all the recent comparison photos then it is clear this year that Ronnie does not have an edge. It was a shock even to the Ronnie haters. The Jay fans are delighted and now the Ronnie lads are assembling and trying to make each other feel good about what went down. God simply no longer had any use for Ronnie. Does that help?

When are you ever going to shut your mouth? Nobody cares that you post here.

Hope this helps

dorkeroo · « **Reply #49 on:** October 10, 2006, 08:05:34 AM »

Quote from: sgt. d on October 10, 2006, 07:50:28 AM

When are you ever going to shut your mouth? Nobody cares that you post here.

Hope this helps

Easy there. At the very least he provokes thoughtful discussion. Your posts on the other hand, are for the most part useless drivel and more suited to people with room temperature I.Q.'s.

Hope this helps.