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http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,20560551-3102,00.html
A RELIGIOUS feud between a Muslim father and his teenage daughter may have sparked a bloody domestic dispute on the Gold Coast which left the man's wife dead and him fighting for life in hospital.
Police are investigating suggestions the violence erupted after the 17-year-old girl told her father she wanted to opt out of the Islamic faith and convert to Christianity. The girl's mother is believed to have stepped in to protect her daughter, only to be fatally stabbed with a kitchen knife.
Neighbours reported hearing "blood-curdling" screams before the hysterical girl ran half-naked from their Southport home unit covered in scratches.
Police later found the body of the girl's mother, 41, inside the blood-smeared unit. Her husband was taken to the Gold Coast Hospital with a stab wound to the chest. He was last night in a critical condition under police guard.
Neighbour Caitlin Dalton was taking out the rubbish about 7pm on Monday when she heard "loud, huge, terrifying screams" coming from the unit complex.
"She (the teenager) was yelling, 'Help me, help me, they're trying to kill me'," Ms Dalton said. "Everybody heard the screams but we couldn't work out which unit they were coming from. Then this girl emerged in the stairwell hysterical and crying.
"Her clothes had been ripped off, she was just in her underwear and she had quite severe scratches down her arm and across her back."
Ms Dalton said that as residents tried to comfort the sobbing girl, she told how she had wanted to "convert from the Islam religion . . . and obviously her father didn't handle it very well".
"She said her parents were really strict," Ms Dalton said.
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SCENE of tragedy . . . police investigators at the blood-splattered unit yesterday, and, below, the building containing the unit. Picture: Paul Riley
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That's terrible.
Just like that Amish school shooting in Pensylvania or that school shooting in colorado. Just aweful.
Did someone just murder their entire family in the US recently also? VEry bad stuff.
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Oh yeah what about the preachers wife who kill her husband.....? aweful terrible. :(
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GOOD OLD RADICAL ISLAM.... ::)
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Hahaha, look at you Ozmo, trying to bring Christianity down to islams level... ::)
He bahaved like he did due to islams teachings, and the whole situation was to do with the religion. Did the 2 accounts you posted about revolve around Christianity?
Trying to allign Christianity with islam after reading this story is just out right disgusting.
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http://www.vdare.com/taylor/050913_crime.htm :)
look whose talking....you gonna believe a black dood on this? :)
Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. Hispanics commit violent crimes at about three times the white rate.
The proportion of blacks and Hispanics in an area is the single best indicator of how dangerous it is. The racial mix is a much better predictor of crime rates than poverty, unemployment, and dropout rates combined.
Although Jesse Jackson and Bill Cosby wring their hands over black-on-black mayhem, blacks actually commit more violent crime against whites than blacks. A black is about 39 times more likely to do violence to a white than the other way around, and no less than 130 times more likely to rob a white.
And yes, everyone's suspicions about rape are correct: Every year there are about 15,000 black-on-white rapes but fewer than 900 white-on-black rapes. There are more than 3,000 gang rapes of whites by blacks—but white-on-black gang rapes are so rare they do not even show up in the statistics.
There is plenty more—but just
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Hahaha, look at you Ozmo, trying to bring Christianity down to islams level... ::)
He bahaved like he did due to islams teachings, and the whole situation was to do with the religion. Did the 2 accounts you posted about revolve around Christianity?
Trying to allign Christianity with islam after reading this story is just out right disgusting.
Not trying ot allign it at all.......are you kidding me? Just putting it in it's proper perspective......... Just another nut case on a murder spree. No different than many of the other murderers who were probably christains.
Islam is an extreme out dated religion with followers from 3rd world countries who do wacked out brutal shit. Killing is worng regardless of religous motivations or not. Those wack jobs would have killed with or with out Islam. (or...with or with out christianity) As a result it's getting massive attention in the media and on this board. It's not right and it's no different than any other murder. That's my point here.
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Not trying ot allign it at all.......are you kidding me? Just putting it in it's proper perspective......... Just another nut case on a murder spree. No different than many of the other murderers who were probably christains.
Islam is an extreme out dated religion with followers from 3rd world countries who do wacked out brutal shit. Killing is worng regardless of religous motivations or not. Those wack jobs would have killed with or with out Islam. (or...with or with out christianity) As a result it's getting massive attention in the media and on this board. It's not right and it's no different than any other murder. That's my point here.
That wasn't your point at all, but now you've made it your point because I called you up on it!
The only relationship these murders had were the religious connections, and in the case of the christian murders, the only part christianity had to play was that he was a pastor, and the other happened in a Amish village.
This murder however... was directly because of the "religion" of islam. Islam WAS a motive in this case.
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Oh yeah what about the preachers wife who kill her husband.....? aweful terrible. :(
I think she was a Christian who committed a murder, not someone who committed a murder because of her Christianity. There isn't much killing in the name of Christianity in this country. At least not anymore.
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That wasn't your point at all, but now you've made it your point because I called you up on it!
The only relationship these murders had were the religious connections, and in the case of the christian murders, the only part christianity had to play was that he was a pastor, and the other happened in a Amish village.
This murder however... was directly because of the "religion" of islam. Islam WAS a motive in this case.
NO! If it wasn't purely religous there would far more murders like this. that guy decided to "harm" his daughter in the heat of the arguement. That's a emotionally/anger motivated killing............... Now we can assume he used Islam to jusify his actions but in the heat of the moment he chose to try and kill his daughter. he didn;t say.... "hmmm Mohammad says i can kill her.... OK then I'll kill her." A father isn't going ot robotically follow his religion and kill his daughter.... Even Abraham hesitated and thought about it!
Islam WAS a motive in this case.
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Get a grip.
Pretty soon you'll be wearing pillow cases on your head.
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Are you fucking blind brother?
She told him she wanted to convert to christianity from islam. This was the seed that was planted in his head. He would be dishonoured by her and she would become an apostate (punishable by death under sharia law [note: this is in the koran haider you fagtard!]).
But you're right, the brainwashing cult of islam has nothing to do with this.
Have a nice day brother!
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Are you fucking blind brother?
She told him she wanted to convert to christianity from islam. This was the seed that was planted in his head. He would be dishonoured by her and she would become an apostate (punishable by death under sharia law [note: this is in the koran haider you fagtard!]).
Oh really? You mean fathers haven't got mad before when their daughters decided not to do what the they wanted and inturn embarrassed them publically? That's never happened before? The only difference here is that this wack job, decided to deal with it violently.
I'll spell it out differently:
- THE KORAN DIDN'T CONTROL THIS GUY TO KILL HIS DAUGHTER.
- IT WAS HIS CHOICE.
- THE KORAN IS A BOOK, NOT A LIVING BEING. THEREFORE IT CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE DO ANYTHING.
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Islam is an ideolic cult, which infact my friend... does have effect on ones mind.
Principles of islam and it's teachings via the koran and hadiths have effected this mans beliefs since the first day his own father force the curse of islam upon his young head.
If there was a small sect of people living on a island who's "book" contained things that justified killing your daughter such as satanic richtuals, killing those who dishonour you etc... would it have an effect on the people? You are a product of your enviroment.
Remember: being an apostate in islam is punishable by death, is it so far from the realm of reality that this "man" believed this?
There are lots of cases like this across the globe.
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I think she was a Christian who committed a murder, not someone who committed a murder because of her Christianity. There isn't much killing in the name of Christianity in this country. At least not anymore.
listen to this, ozmo. the point was, was that although this guy may have been a nutter, his motive for killing his family was that they wanted to leave islam. his religion was the motivating factor behind this killing. he wasnt a guy who killed someone in a barfight who just happened to follow islam. islam itself WAS his reason for doing this.
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listen to this, ozmo. the point was, was that although this guy may have been a nutter, his motive for killing his family was that they wanted to leave islam. his religion was the motivating factor behind this killing. he wasnt a guy who killed someone in a barfight who just happened to follow islam. islam itself WAS his reason for doing this.
Why even bother? Ozmo has truly shown how much of a liberal apologist he is, STILL unable to name and shame the "religion" of islam as the cause of the death of this person. He's so dillusional it begs belief!
I picture Ozmo as the most hippy fucker ever... :-\
(http://www.namedbystrangers.com/summer04/hippy.jpg)
Need to work on those arms brother... but you do have those pipe veins in your arms like ronnie coleman!
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yet another reason why i hate all muslims
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Why even bother? Ozmo has truly shown how much of a liberal apologist he is, STILL unable to name and shame the "religion" of islam as the cause of the death of this person. He's so dillusional it begs belief!
I picture Ozmo as the most hippy fucker ever... :-\
(http://www.namedbystrangers.com/summer04/hippy.jpg)
Need to work on those arms brother... but you do have those pipe veins in your arms like ronnie coleman!
So now we are going to pull out the "apologist card" complete swith an insulting picture?
You are pathetic. Seriously. I feel sorry for you. :P
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listen to this, ozmo. the point was, was that although this guy may have been a nutter, his motive for killing his family was that they wanted to leave islam. his religion was the motivating factor behind this killing. he wasnt a guy who killed someone in a barfight who just happened to follow islam. islam itself WAS his reason for doing this.
Yeah, i hear you, but i come from the school of thought that if you want to justify a violent action you find something that will fit in perfect. So to me, the guy, whether he was a product of his enviroment or not, was un balanced and prone ot violence to begin with and that was the main factor in his actioins and not Islam.
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Islam is an ideolic cult, which infact my friend... does have effect on ones mind.
Principles of islam and it's teachings via the koran and hadiths have effected this mans beliefs since the first day his own father force the curse of islam upon his young head.
If there was a small sect of people living on a island who's "book" contained things that justified killing your daughter such as satanic richtuals, killing those who dishonour you etc... would it have an effect on the people? You are a product of your enviroment.
Remember: being an apostate in islam is punishable by death, is it so far from the realm of reality that this "man" believed this?
There are lots of cases like this across the globe.
What happened Nordic? Did you lose your girlfriend to a muslim? Is that what your crusade against muslims is really about?
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http://www.vdare.com/taylor/050913_crime.htm :)
look whose talking....you gonna believe a black dood on this? :)
Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. Hispanics commit violent crimes at about three times the white rate.
The proportion of blacks and Hispanics in an area is the single best indicator of how dangerous it is. The racial mix is a much better predictor of crime rates than poverty, unemployment, and dropout rates combined.
Although Jesse Jackson and Bill Cosby wring their hands over black-on-black mayhem, blacks actually commit more violent crime against whites than blacks. A black is about 39 times more likely to do violence to a white than the other way around, and no less than 130 times more likely to rob a white.
And yes, everyone's suspicions about rape are correct: Every year there are about 15,000 black-on-white rapes but fewer than 900 white-on-black rapes. There are more than 3,000 gang rapes of whites by blacks—but white-on-black gang rapes are so rare they do not even show up in the statistics.
There is plenty more—but just
Can you tell me about all those white kids that go to schools and shoot up people just because they saw it on a video game or somebody was being mean to them. What about those grown white men who goes to schools to molest and kill a innocent girl in colorado? What about that guy that shot innocent girls between the age of 6-13, killing 5 of them and hurting more? What about all those grown white men who go around raping women(more than any race).What about that guy that bombed that building in oklahoma killing all those kids? What about the KKK killing innocent african americans for many years? What about those guys that bombed the birmingham school killing innocent 4 black girls. Think before you speak
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Can you tell me about all those white kids that go to schools and shoot up people just because they saw it on a video game or somebody was being mean to them. What about those grown white men who goes to schools to molest and kill a innocent girl in colorado? What about that guy that shot innocent girls between the age of 6-13, killing 5 of them and hurting more? What about all those grown white men who go around raping women(more than any race).What about that guy that bombed that building in oklahoma killing all those kids? What about the KKK killing innocent african americans for many years? What about those guys that bombed the birmingham school killing innocent 4 black girls. Think before you speak
Let me guess your next comment is: Meltdown
Then your next comment is: You must be black
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Let me guess your next comment is: Meltdown
Then your next comment is: You must be black
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No, their next comment will be: You must be muslim
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Toxy, I don't understand why you are sinking to that level and I think it's pretty pathetic. :-[
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uhh...obviously what he did was wrong ??? Ozmo just completely owned manni, exposing him for the dumbass zealot he is. I know a christian girl whose dad is muslim... and she's still alive. I guess in this case he was able to hold back the terrorist muslim within him? ::) Jackass.
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Also, its funny how you think similar incidents don't happen when a christian to muslim conversion is involved. I guess you could hold christianity liable for the murderer's actions in that case too?
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2 successive posts? M E L T D O W N!
Ozmo owned me? Sorry brother, but the only one siding with Ozmos liberal apologist views is.. A FUCKING MUZZY!
My point about apostates in islams still stands, full ownership of this thread is mine!
It is clear quite clear that under Islamic Law an apostate must be put to death. There is no dispute on this ruling among classical Muslim or modern scholars, and we shall return to the textual evidence for it. Some modern scholars have argued that in the Koran the apostate is threatened with punishment only in the next world, as for example at XVI.106, “Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief –save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom.” Similarly in III.90-91, “Lo! those who disbelieve after their (profession of) belief, and afterward grow violent in disbelief, their repentance will not be accepted. And such are those who are astray. Lo! those who disbelieve, and die in disbelief, the (whole) earth full of gold would not be accepted from such an one if it were offered as a ransom (for his soul).Theirs will be a painful doom and they will have no helpers.”
However, Sura II.217 is interpreted by no less an authority than al-Shafi’i(died 820 C.E.), the founder of one of the four orthodox schools of law of Sunni Islam to mean that the death penalty should be prescribed for apostates. Sura II.217 reads: “… But whoever of you recants and dies an unbeliever , his works shall come to nothing in this world and the next, and they are the companions of the fire for ever.” Al-Thalabi and al -Khazan concur. Al-Razi in his commentary on II:217 says the apostate should be killed.
Similarly, IV. 89: “They would have you disbelieve as they themselves have disbelieved, so that you may be all like alike. Do not befriend them until they have fled their homes for the cause of God. If they desert you seize them and put them to death wherever you find them. Look for neither friends nor helpers among them…” Baydawi (died c. 1315-16), in his celebrated commentary on the Koran, interprets this passage to mean: “Whosover turns back from his belief ( irtada ), openly or secretly, take him and kill him wheresoever ye find him, like any other infidel. Separate yourself from him altogether. Do not accept intercession in his regard”. Ibn Kathir in his commentary on this passage quoting Al Suddi (died 745) says that since the unbelievers had manifested their unbelief they should be killed.
Abul Ala Mawdudi [1903-1979], the founder of the Jamat-i Islami, is perhaps the most influential Muslim thinker of the 20th century, being responsible for the Islamic resurgence in modern times. He called for a return to the Koran and a purified sunna as a way to revive and revitalise Islam. In his book on apostasy in Islam, Mawdudi argued that even the Koran prescribes the death penalty for all apostates. He points to sura IX for evidence:
“But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief Lo! they have no binding oaths in order that they may desist.”(IX: 11,12)
I bid you good day!
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Lovely copy paste there idiot ::) Apostate's may be prescribed death under Sharia LAW (arguable point), BUT this guy is no one to carry out the punishment for Sharia law... he in no way holds that authority. Also, there's no sharia law where he lives. This guy must be held accountable for his own actions, just like the actions of those who murder muslim converts from christianity.
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Lovely copy paste there idiot ::) Apostate's may be prescribed death under Sharia LAW (arguable point), BUT this guy is no one to carry out the punishment for Sharia law... he in no way holds that authority. Also, there's no sharia law where he lives. This guy must be held accountable for his own actions, just like the actions of those who murder muslim converts from christianity.
Of course he is accountable for his own actions ???
My point is islam has a role to play in brainwashing him, and justifying his actions (which it does).
Who was the last muslim convert from christianity murdered haider?
The majority of apostates are murdered in the name of islam? Can you admit that? The facts don't lie muzzy!
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Of course he is accountable for his own actions ???
My point is islam has a role to play in brainwashing him, and justifying his actions (which it does).
Who was the last muslim convert from christianity murdered haider?
The majority of apostates are murdered in the name of islam? Can you admit that? The facts don't lie muzzy!
Yes, I can believe that, though we dont have any numbers on our hands. Just because you hear about one thing more than the other doesn't mean it occurs more frequently than the other(%age occurrence is also relevant). You also have to take into account how religious people are in the west (where the majority of chrisitans are found) as compared to the middle-east; how people in the middle-east(muslims AND christians) tend to be [a lot] more religiously conservative as compared to people in the west. This is why you see this kind of thing happening more amongst middle-eastern people (+ south asian, etc). It has very little to do with the respective religions.
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Yes, I can believe that, though we dont have any numbers on our hands. Just because you hear about one thing more than the other doesn't mean it occurs more frequently than the other(%age occurrence is also relevant). You also have to take into account how religious people are in the west (where the majority of chrisitans are found) as compared to the middle-east; how people in the middle-east(muslims AND christians) tend to be [a lot] more religiously conservative as compared to people in the west. This is why you see this kind of thing happening more amongst middle-eastern people (+ south asian, etc). It has very little to do with the respective religions.
Oh brother... yeah right ::)
It happens mostly in islamic households, because of the "religion" of islam.
Deal with it, your denial is pathetic.
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ZERO proof...nada..just all hateful talk. Caveman.
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ZERO proof...nada..just all hateful talk. Caveman.
Zero proof? ??? It's in the news almost everyday you assclown.
Did someone say caveman?
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Hahaha, look at you Ozmo, trying to bring Christianity down to islams level... ::)
He bahaved like he did due to islams teachings, and the whole situation was to do with the religion. Did the 2 accounts you posted about revolve around Christianity?
Trying to allign Christianity with islam after reading this story is just out right disgusting.
Christianity is far more secular.
Islam is 500 years younger, and also has the slight problem of having a text that is the direct words of God.
The validity of Islam should be questioned. If any enlightened person reads the Quran, he or she will see that it's a bunch of bullshit. Islam acknowledges slavery and different laws for females and males. Just to name a few examples.
The PRACTICE of Islam should also be questioned.
YIP
Zack
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Christianity is far more secular.
Islam is 500 years younger, and also has the slight problem of having a text that is the direct words of God.
The validity of Islam should be questioned. If any enlightened person reads the Quran, he or she will see that it's a bunch of bullshit. Islam acknowledges slavery and different laws for females and males. Just to name a few examples.
The PRACTICE of Islam should also be questioned.
YIP
Zack
Wow, nice post... and here I was believing you was an appeaser of the devil worshippers!
Congrats brother "Hedge"!
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Wow, nice post... and here I was believing you was an appeaser of the devil worshippers!
Congrats brother "Hedge"!
If you would read my posts, you would know that I am a hard critic of Islam.
However, I could never tolerate Muslims being harassed.
Their faith cannot be accepted into world law. Every woman should also be offered protection from Islamic practice, since Islam house laws are unequal and unjust.
I still believe we must hold ourselves to a higher standard. Namecalling and hatemongering will lead to nothing.
It will only make the secular Muslims more protective of Islam in general. Forcing them to one day take side.
Why not instead ask these secular Muslims if they honestly believe in the Quran?
It doesn't really matter what they answer. If they lie, they will know inside that their faith is just a hoax.
YIP
Zack
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If you would read my posts, you would know that I am a hard critic of Islam.
However, I could never tolerate Muslims being harassed.
Their faith cannot be accepted into world law. Every woman should also be offered protection from Islamic practice, since Islam house laws are unequal and unjust.
I still believe we must hold ourselves to a higher standard. Namecalling and hatemongering will lead to nothing.
It will only make the secular Muslims more protective of Islam in general. Forcing them to one day take side.
Why not instead ask these secular Muslims if they honestly believe in the Quran?
It doesn't really matter what they answer. If they lie, they will know inside that their faith is just a hoax.
YIP
Zack
It matters if these "lies" harm my fellow countrymen, and the countrymen of my allies.
You think we can afford to just sit back?
One day I might have children to protect, I'm not being mentally lazy by "just sitting back" and appeasing this immoral satanists.
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Of course he is accountable for his own actions ???
My point is islam has a role to play in brainwashing him, and justifying his actions (which it does).
Who was the last muslim convert from christianity murdered haider?
The majority of apostates are murdered in the name of islam? Can you admit that? The facts don't lie muzzy!
Go to Death row................... they ALL have some thing they use to justify their actions that shifts the blame from them.....dosn't mean jack. They still chose to commit their crime.
Manni yiou are smarter than this aren't you?
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Christianity is far more secular.
Islam is 500 years younger, and also has the slight problem of having a text that is the direct words of God.
The validity of Islam should be questioned. If any enlightened person reads the Quran, he or she will see that it's a bunch of bullshit. Islam acknowledges slavery and different laws for females and males. Just to name a few examples.
The PRACTICE of Islam should also be questioned.
YIP
Zack
Just to add a point: Same with anyone with any sense reading the BIBle. It's mostly BS.
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Just to add a point: Same with anyone with any sense reading the BIBle. It's mostly BS.
No it isn't.
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I believe the islamic language is nothing more than a cult.
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Let me preface my comment by stating that I think all religions are bullshit. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc., to me they're all pure crap.
But Islam... Islam is more than just normal bullshit. It's more like a rancid diarrhea explosion that contaminates water supplies and spreads sickness and pestilence through the land. Christian Bible beaters are annoying but you're fooling yourself if you think they're anywhere near as bad as Jihadists shouting "Allah Akbar".
Maybe some Christians are stuck in the 1950's. Let's face it: the typical Muslim from a 3rd world country (and some that have moved to the first world) has the mindset of an 11th century barbarian.
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Let me preface my comment by stating that I think all religions are bullshit. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc., to me they're all pure crap.
But Islam... Islam is more than just normal bullshit. It's more like a rancid diarrhea explosion that contaminates water supplies and spreads sickness and pestilence through the land. Christian Bible beaters are annoying but you're fooling yourself if you think they're anywhere near as bad as Jihadists shouting "Allah Akbar".
Maybe some Christians are stuck in the 1950's. Let's face it: the typical Muslim from a 3rd world country (and some that have moved to the first world) has the mindset of an 11th century barbarian.
GetBig post of the year!
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GetBig post of the year!
For a narrow minded alarmist i can see why you say that.
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Let's face it: the typical Muslim from a 3rd world country (and some that have moved to the first world) has the mindset of an 11th century barbarian.
Very untrue. Do you base this upon practical first hand experince or the stream of tainted media you watch every night? There are large groups of radical muslims in these middle eastern countries who are barbaric, mostly in or from the very impoverished areas or the country. But as a whole, they are not that way. And in the western world, muslims, of which i know or have been in contact with in the hundreds over the last 20 years, are no different the average american chasing tail, partying, raising families and accumilating wealth.
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For a narrow minded alarmist i can see why you say that.
Dear Liberal Apologist,
Stop appeasing and wake up:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1546101,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/13/thai.beheading.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest
http://www.mississauga.com/mi/news/story/3729373p-4310675c.html
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Very untrue. Do you base this upon practical first hand experince or the stream of tainted media you watch every night? There are large groups of radical muslims in these middle eastern countries who are barbaric, mostly in or from the very impoverished areas or the country. But as a whole, they are not that way. And in the western world, muslims, of which i know or have been in contact with in the hundreds over the last 20 years, are no different the average american chasing tail, partying, raising families and accumilating wealth.
I have greater experience in dealing with muslim communities than you. I can confirm they behave like cave men in the west too.
They are a disgrace, the pakistani and bangladeshi muslims in britain contain a higher proportion of disgraceful people than anyone.
Just ask Diesel for confirmation.
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Dear Liberal Apologist,
Stop appeasing and wake up:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1546101,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/13/thai.beheading.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest
http://www.mississauga.com/mi/news/story/3729373p-4310675c.html
Dear Narrow minded Alarmist,
Stop steroetyping an entire faith based on extremists and their use of a religion to justify thier actions and incite violence.
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Dear Narrow minded Alarmist,
Stop steroetyping an entire faith based on extremists and their use of a religion to justify thier actions and incite violence.
Laughable, you clearly know NOTHING about islam.
IDIOT.
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I have greater experience in dealing with muslim communities than you. I can confirm they behave like cave men in the west too.
They are a disgrace, the pakistani and bangladeshi muslims in britain contain a higher proportion of disgraceful people than anyone.
Just ask Diesel for confirmation.
Well, maybe in England, but NOT in the USA. Maybe England just tends to attract that type. Or maybe you are just focusing on the "young men". Who like your typical head banger linverpool are unruly anyways.
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Laughable, you clearly know NOTHING about islam.
IDIOT.
I know far more than you. And i'm not a narrow minded alarmist. I'm not so stupid as to label an entire faith as violent based on a extreme radicals. You however are. Because you scare easy................ no different than the white southerner who joins the KKK. Very small minded.
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I know far more than you. And i'm not a narrow minded alarmist. I'm not so stupid as to label an entire faith as violent based on a extreme radicals. You however are. Because you scare easy................ no different than the white southerner who joins the KKK. Very small minded.
Well, you're contradicting yourself if you say you know more than me about islam yet discredit its origins, it's murderous pedophile militant founder, it's total lack of freedom of speech under sharia law, and equal rights for men and women etc etc.
Tell me oh wise brother, do you know how hard it is for a man to be convicted of rape in a islamic state under sharia law?
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Well, you're contradicting yourself if you say you know more than me about islam yet discredit its origins, it's murderous pedophile militant founder, it's total lack of freedom of speech under sharia law, and equal rights for men and women etc etc.
Tell me oh wise brother, do you know how hard it is for a man to be convicted of rape in a islamic state under sharia law?
The original point of the arguement is Islam is responsible for this man killing his daughter with a minor point of Islam being responsible for this violence we hear so much of around the world.
I say no. You say yes.
I say i know many muslims on a personal level in the west who behave like normal people and aren't prone to violence.
I also say this man's choice to kill his daughter wasn't becuase of Islam, but instead becuase of a choice he made based on passion in the heat of the moment. You say it's becuase of Islam, i say no.
You can study the religion all you want. You can find passage after passage to support your views. YOu can do similar things with the BIble regarding women and slaves.
That doesn't change the fact that this nut job is a nut job with or without Islam.
But it's ok, go ahead and get all alarmed and get on your crusade..... becuase it only shows what a scared little boy you really are. :-* Do you need a hug? ;D
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Anyone visiting areas in England with a Muslim immigrant majority, would understand the frustration of NS. I fully understand his anger. I really do. I mean, I've seen examples of young girls getting pulled out of gym class in the name of Islam here in Sweden. Not many, but there are examples, especially in the ghetto of Malmö, southern Sweden.
But I cannot accept NS's anger and posts of hateful posts.
He has an explanation, but it's not an excuse.
We has to hold ourselves to higher standards. We treat women as equals. We believe in freedom of speech. We believe in reason and rational thinking.
However, we need to also accept the fact that we are superior to these societies. We are not racially superior. Of course not. But the single fact that women are treated more equal in Western Democracies, than in 3rd world countries, is a dead give away that we are superior, as societies.
Another fact which IMO proves that our societies are superior: Homosexuals actually has a shot at living a regular life in most Western Democracies, as opposed to in Islamic countries. What happens to gay people in Iran? :-X
A lot of people need to realize that these countries are way behind us, and that these societies aren't exotic, they're just wrong.
To use racist remarks, and show hate, is fcuked up though.
Each and every individual has to be judged by his actions. You cannot say that someone who is a Muslim, will have a medieval view on womens rights, although if he has a modern day view on womens rights, he definitely would not be a real Muslim.
Only a Muslim "on paper".
YIP
Zack
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Wow so an alarmist stereo typical view is ignorant? :o
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Each and every individual has to be judged by his actions. You cannot say that someone who is a Muslim, will have a medieval view on womens rights, although if he has a modern day view on womens rights, he definitely would not be a real Muslim.
Only a Muslim "on paper".
YIP
Zack
You summed up the points that I try to get across to Nordic. I'm sorry if the muslims in your communities do stupid stuff like that and rape your women. As a muslim across the pond I've never had experiences with muslims commiting acts like that, or taking such literal interpretations of the religion. Most muslims that I've encountered are not like what Nordic describes, and you can't say I hold a bias and my opinion should be discredited. It's not like I stand alone on my points as many people of non muslim backgrounds share a similar opinion, such as Ozmo.
I'm not saying you white Europeans don't have the right to be angry or that you don't have the right to stand up to something that threatens your culture, but please don't paint everyone with the same brush.
I've had problems with interaction with people different ethnic backgrounds as well, from African Americans to whites. These were't light bad experiences, but sometimes down right violent towards my family and I, yet I don't let that control me. I don't go on a mission to paint the whole group with one brush and to discredit their culture and people. I look at the positives in them, not to be a politically correct hippy, but because I realize when I see the good in them I actually end up liking them and some aspects of their cultures. I also look to some of the friends I've made from those cultures, such as the many black friends who've I'd smoked and played soccer with.
If you think for a second that Nordic's views are based entirely on his dislike of Islam, then you are mistaken and delusional. It's obvious that Islam is not the only thing he hates. I think it's safe to say that his opinions are racially motivated. I don't have a problem if he's like that because I believe in free speech and freedom, but he denies racial hate and claims his views are to discredit Islam only and nothing else. Why cannot he just be honest and say that he dislikes South Asians? Is that so hard?
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You summed up the points that I try to get across to Nordic. I'm sorry if the muslims in your communities do stupid stuff like that and rape your women. As a muslim across the pond I've never had experiences with muslims commiting acts like that, or taking such literal interpretations of the religion. Most muslims that I've encountered are not like what Nordic describes, and you can't say I hold a bias and my opinion should be discredited. It's not like I stand alone on my points as many people of non muslim backgrounds share a similar opinion, such as Ozmo.
I'm not saying you white Europeans don't have the right to be angry or that you don't have the right to stand up to something that threatens your culture, but please don't paint everyone with the same brush.
I've had problems with interaction with people different ethnic backgrounds as well, from African Americans to whites. These were't light bad experiences, but sometimes down right violent towards my family and I, yet I don't let that control me. I don't go on a mission to paint the whole group with one brush and to discredit their culture and people. I look at the positives in them, not to be a politically correct hippy, but because I realize when I see the good in them I actually end up liking them and some aspects of their cultures. I also look to some of the friends I've made from those cultures, such as the many black friends who've I'd smoked and played soccer with.
If you think for a second that Nordic's views are based entirely on his dislike of Islam, then you are mistaken and delusional. It's obvious that Islam is not the only thing he hates. I think it's safe to say that his opinions are racially motivated. I don't have a problem if he's like that because I believe in free speech and freedom, but he denies racial hate and claims his views are to discredit Islam only and nothing else. Why cannot he just be honest and say that he dislikes South Asians? Is that so hard?
I was pretty clear about pointing out that I don't think it's okay to lash out against Muslims.
Don't for a moment think that I am of the opinion that anyone ever is entitled to acts of hate or racism towards Muslims.
I can understand why someone would hate Muslims, because I've seen terrible acts committed in the name of Islam, but I could never tolerate it.
YIP
Zack
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didn't read the trhead
all i have to say is....
fuccking raghead pigs
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Very untrue. Do you base this upon practical first hand experince or the stream of tainted media you watch every night? There are large groups of radical muslims in these middle eastern countries who are barbaric, mostly in or from the very impoverished areas or the country. But as a whole, they are not that way. And in the western world, muslims, of which i know or have been in contact with in the hundreds over the last 20 years, are no different the average american chasing tail, partying, raising families and accumilating wealth.
You know these Jihadists would decapitate your liberal head if they got the chance. Why stick up for them?
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as soon as the opportunity presents itself, i'm going to start dating hot middle eastern chicks from conservative moslem families . . . I'm going to show them the good life. ;)
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raghead is arabic for guy
that's right
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You know these Jihadists would decapitate your liberal head if they got the chance. Why stick up for them?
Can you read? I'm not sticking up for a radical extremists with a track record of chopoing heads off.
All i'm saying is that it's ignorant and false to stereo type all muslims in that light or Islam also. and that guy who tried to kill his daughter for switching to christianity is a nut job with or with out Islam and although he may point to Islamic law as the reason for his actions it's no differnet than death row immates justifying their actions, becuase in the end they are responsible for the choices they make.
The following is NOT directed at you Tesla.
It's such a claissic neo-con thing to be such a scared pussy alarmist and catagorically condem and stereotype whole groups of people. Grow some fucking balls and stop being scared little bitch brainwashed pawns. Maybe if you take your pillow sheets off your heads you could see the world a little better.
Or maybe you are just too intellectually ignorant and have the mental agility of a small discarded soap dish and can't comprehend ideas more complex then violence to solve problems which in my opinion puts you on the same level as those islamic extremists. Seems you learn your social skills from the WWF
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Can you read? I'm not sticking up for a radical extremists with a track record of chopoing heads off.
All i'm saying is that it's ignorant and false to stereo type all muslims in that light or Islam also. and that guy who tried to kill his daughter for switching to christianity is a nut job with or with out Islam and although he may point to Islamic law as the reason for his actions it's no differnet than death row immates justifying their actions, becuase in the end they are responsible for the choices they make.
The following is NOT directed at you Tesla.
It's such a claissic neo-con thing to be such a scared pussy alarmist and catagorically condem and stereotype whole groups of people. Grow some fucking balls and stop being scared little bitch brainwashed pawns. Maybe if you take your pillow sheets off your heads you could see the world a little better.
Or maybe you are just too intellectually ignorant and have the mental agility of a small discarded soap dish and can't comprehend ideas more complex then violence to solve problems which in my opinion puts you on the same level as those islamic extremists. Seems you learn your social skills from the WWF
I'm not stereotyping all individual Muslims. I'm talking about the culture, and the culture is backwards. Suicide bombers who blow up buses of Israeli children are held to be heroes. If that's not backwards and barbaric, then I don't know what is. In the Middle Ages crusaders who slaughtered Muslim women and children in the name of Christianity were praised as heroes back in their French and German hometowns. How is this any different from Islam today? The Islamic world, by and large, is stuck in the Middle Ages.
The problem with Islam is not that some of its adherents are radical extremists. The problem is that Islam promotes and praises these types of people.
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I'm not stereotyping all individual Muslims. I'm talking about the culture, and the culture is backwards. Suicide bombers who blow up buses of Israeli children are held to be heroes. If that's not backwards and barbaric, then I don't know what is. In the Middle Ages crusaders who slaughtered Muslim women and children in the name of Christianity were praised as heroes back in their French and German hometowns. How is this any different from Islam today? The Islamic world, by and large, is stuck in the Middle Ages.
The problem with Islam is not that some of its adherents are radical extremists. The problem is that Islam promotes and praises these types of people.
No, absolutely not. YOu have 2 things here: Palistinians and Al queda...2 different things. That is not the culture that you are seeing. What you are seeing in regards to suicide bombers is Palistinians who have had their land taken away by the jews, who have been oppressed, murdered, economically kept down etc... by the israelis who have had the military machine to accomplish these ends......If you are getting oppressed like this and can't do anything about it what are you to do to fight back? So children or fathers whose family have been killed over the years by the israelis areeasy to want to be suicide bombers. And when this happens..... a small part of these people rejoice when a suicide bomber is successful. The main stream palistinians just want peace and their land back. What you see on the news, when people are rejoicing not representative of every palistinian.
Just recently think about all the lebonese Israel killed in their over reaction to 2 kidnapped soilders by Hez for the purpose of prisoner exchange (something the sides have been doing for years). Think about the billions in damge they did to the country of lebanon. Think about the million cluster bombs they dropped there. If that was done here i'd want to do what was in my power to get back at them amd so would you. And if My family or daughter was killed becuase she srepped ona cluster bomb, or was killed by a Israeli tank, i would dress myself in TNT and walk into a crowded Jewish Temple and kill all those fuckers.
Now thats one thing... The other thing is Al Queda Taliban etc.......They are not representative of the Islamic faith. They Barbaric extremist. They are terrorists, and our media (much of which is heaviliy influenced by Jews through owership and political lobby), has no problem subtley lumping everyone together. So you easily make the connected of be-headed kidnapp victims with all of Islam. Very much far from truth. And the majority of these people don't praise this behavior....what you see is only news coverage of the small groups who do. Don't confuse, for example Martin Luther King's message and publisized followin g with Black extremist groups in the 1960' who advocated violence. Same thing here when you see a huge protest against ameircan policy versus and a bunch of insurgents jumping up and don't in their masks.
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What does any of this have to do with the fact that in tribal cultures (any tribal culture) male lineage is the priority, women are property/chattel destined to preserve the purity of the lineage. The incident illustrated in this thread is one form of honor killings, which are routine, or at least accepted, in such cultures.
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Fagmo, muhammad was THE representative of islam, he was a militant, ordered and commit murder, molested a child and supressed freedoms.
He he was muslims believe a great framework for leading your life. The problem is embedded on islam. Accept it, deal with it and acknoledge it before it is too late.
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Fagmo, muhammad was THE representative of islam, he was a militant, ordered and commit murder, molested a child and supressed freedoms.
He he was muslims believe a great framework for leading your life. The problem is embedded on islam. Accept it, deal with it and acknoledge it before it is too late.
I apoligize for your premature alarmist views.
Moses ordered the death of 3000 men, women and children. Ever read ALL of moses law? My point with this is, Mohamad is not the current leader of islam becuase he dead and lived in 600 AD. Nor is the religious extemist you see running Iran or the Taliban. That is far removed the average muslim in Tehran who owns a gas station and wants to get more western DVDs for his collection. Or the 4th grade teacher in Berut who just wants to hangout at the local pub or club on fridays with his friends.
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I apoligize for your premature alarmist views.
Moses ordered the death of 3000 men, women and children. Ever read ALL of moses law? My point with this is, Mohamad is not the current leader of islam becuase he dead and lived in 600 AD. Nor is the religious extemist you see running Iran or the Taliban. That is far removed the average muslim in Tehran who owns a gas station and wants to get more western DVDs for his collection. Or the 4th grade teacher in Berut who just wants to hangout at the local pub or club on fridays with his friends.
Have you ever been outside of the US brother?
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I apoligize for your premature alarmist views.
Moses ordered the death of 3000 men, women and children. Ever read ALL of moses law? My point with this is, Mohamad is not the current leader of islam becuase he dead and lived in 600 AD. Nor is the religious extemist you see running Iran or the Taliban. That is far removed the average muslim in Tehran who owns a gas station and wants to get more western DVDs for his collection. Or the 4th grade teacher in Berut who just wants to hangout at the local pub or club on fridays with his friends.
The average 4th grade teacher wouldn't be drinking in a pub on a friday night, since alcohol consumption is forbidden and punishable. People living in the US and Canada don't understand the frustrations of the Europeans because, first of all, our countries are vast and large influxes of immigrants more easily mix with the greater populations. Secondly, the immigrants coming to our countries tend to be of a certain class, to borrow a word. The europeans on the other hand, have had to make room for a great many uneducated, backwards thinking immigrants who have no desire to assimilate in any way, as well as make room for them in much more cramped communities. (You've obviously never taken a wrong turn in Brussels and found yourself face to face with a street full of hostile, disdainful male faces and found yourself practically having to run the gauntlet because you weren't wearing a head dress.)
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The average 4th grade teacher wouldn't be drinking in a pub on a friday night, since alcohol consumption is forbidden and punishable. People living in the US and Canada don't understand the frustrations of the Europeans because, first of all, our countries are vast and large influxes of immigrants more easily mix with the greater populations. Secondly, the immigrants coming to our countries tend to be of a certain class, to borrow a word. The europeans on the other hand, have had to make room for a great many uneducated, backwards thinking immigrants who have no desire to assimilate in any way, as well as make room for them in much more cramped communities. (You've obviously never taken a wrong turn in Brussels and found yourself face to face with a street full of hostile, disdainful male faces and found yourself practically having to run the gauntlet because you weren't wearing a head dress.)
I obviously haven't taken a wrong turn in Brussels, But my experience with muslims is mostly in the USA, where that kind of shit isn't tolerated. THese people have integrated themselves into our society much much more i guess then where you are from. Ever think those backward thinking immagrats are just that? Nut jobs no matter where they are? I'm mean hell, take a drive down 66th avenue at night in Oakland, or Hunters point in San Francisco or walk into the wrong trailer park in montana with the wrong skin color.
so let me ask you: Do you think these unruley musims are representative of all muslims?
BTW, the 4th grade treacher example in Lebanon who has to watch where walks now becuase of the fucking cluster bombs.........it doesn't matter if there are pubs or not in Lebanon, i can find out, i have friends who's family still live there, but the point is he just wants to live his life free of oppression just like anyone else.
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Exactly. Your interaction has mostly been with people you've met in the US and mine has been mostly my experiences in Canada. Not the same kettle of fish at all. I travel alot, and quite frankly it's occasionally disconcerting.
No I don't think the nut case illustrated at the beginning of this thread is your average wacko. I think his actions were a result of his upbringing in a culture that condones that kind of treatment of women, because in essence they are viewed as possessions without rights. One of the problems in Europe is that these backwards immigrants are bringing their cultural values with them which of course clashes with our westernized world acceptance of women as equals.
This is a big problem in countries such as UK, France, probably the Netherlands has seen their share of them too. But getting away from the female issue for a moment, although it's really the eye of the storm IMO, when was the last time a Hollywood documentary producer stabbed to death in the street for making a critical film about Islam? You say it wouldn't tolerated, but since we don't have those problems to begin with, how can we criticize those who live in countries where these issues are faced every day?
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Exactly. Your interaction has mostly been with people you've met in the US and mine has been mostly my experiences in Canada. Not the same kettle of fish at all. I travel alot, and quite frankly it's occasionally disconcerting.
No I don't think the nut case illustrated at the beginning of this thread is your average wacko. I think his actions were a result of his upbringing in a culture that condones that kind of treatment of women, because in essence they are viewed as possessions without rights. One of the problems in Europe is that these backwards immigrants are bringing their cultural values with them which of course clashes with our westernized world acceptance of women as equals.
This is a big problem in countries such as UK, France, probably the Netherlands has seen their share of them too. But getting away from the female issue for a moment, although it's really the eye of the storm IMO, when was the last time a Hollywood documentary producer stabbed to death in the street for making a critical film about Islam? You say it wouldn't tolerated, but since we don't have those problems to begin with, how can we criticize those who live in countries where these issues are faced every day?
I can understand where you are coming from DD. But we are talking about a person killing his daughter. Not the oppression of women. Regardless of religion think about what kind of mental state you'd have to be in to seriously attempt to kill you daughter.... Abraham even had issue with it and GOD was directly talking to him.
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This is a big problem in countries such as UK, France, probably the Netherlands has seen their share of them too. But getting away from the female issue for a moment, although it's really the eye of the storm IMO, when was the last time a Hollywood documentary producer stabbed to death in the street for making a critical film about Islam? You say it wouldn't tolerated, but since we don't have those problems to begin with, how can we criticize those who live in countries where these issues are faced every day?
You think that Dutch film producer actually gave a shit about the rights of muslim women, or opressed muslim people in general? His documentary was produced exclusively to discredit a people, all of whom he thinks are inferior.
That man refered to all muslims "goat fuckers", yeah I'm sure he had great intentions when he made that film. ::)
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You think that Dutch film producer actually gave a shit about the rights of muslim women, or opressed muslim people in general? His documentary was produced exclusively to discredit a people, all of whom he thinks are inferior.
That man refered to all muslims "goat fuckers", yeah I'm sure he had great intentions when he made that film. ::)
Yes, well, he didn't have a good word to say about anyone. Good thing he was murdered in the street for invoking his right to free speech. Btw... your opinion here is exactly why people have an issue with Islam.
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I can understand where you are coming from DD. But we are talking about a person killing his daughter. Not the oppression of women. Regardless of religion think about what kind of mental state you'd have to be in to seriously attempt to kill you daughter.... Abraham even had issue with it and GOD was directly talking to him.
You don't know what kind of mental state he was in... do you think the reason was something other than that his patriarchal honor regarding his religion was being compromised? Perhaps you're just projecting your own westernized abhorence for the idea of killing a daughter and can't believe any sane person could so easily take a life. Very often these kinds of killings follow a clan meeting to decide the fate of the girl. Yes, I would say this comes under the heading of oppression of women.
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Yes, well, he didn't have a good word to say about anyone. Good thing he was murdered in the street for invoking his right to free speech. Btw... your opinion here is exactly why people have an issue with Islam.
And your post shows how westerners love to jump to conclusions. All I said is that his film didn't have the best of interests and it's misleading how people thought he made the film to benedit opressed muslim women. I didn't say that he didn't have the right to make the film, nor did I say that he should have been murdered in such a brutal way.
And you automatically started whining about free speech, you assumed that's what I took issue with.
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And your post shows how westerners love to jump to conclusions. All I said is that his film didn't have the best of interests and it's misleading how people thought he made the film to benedit opressed muslim women. I didn't say that he didn't have the right to make the film, nor did I say that he should have been murdered in such a brutal way.
And you automatically started whining about free speech, you assumed that's what I took issue with.
And I never said he made the film to benefit oppressed muslim women. All I said, in response to Ozmo's post, was that Hollywood documentary producers making critical films do not get murdered in this country. If they did, there would be just as much outrage. So what was the point of your post, then, other than to rationalize Van Gogh's murder. Just giving the back story?
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You think that Dutch film producer actually gave a shit about the rights of muslim women, or opressed muslim people in general? His documentary was produced exclusively to discredit a people, all of whom he thinks are inferior.
That man refered to all muslims "goat fuckers", yeah I'm sure he had great intentions when he made that film. ::)
Theo van Gogh? The film he made was made jointly with a muslim woman who had suffered greatly under her religion
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You think that Dutch film producer actually gave a shit about the rights of muslim women, or opressed muslim people in general? His documentary was produced exclusively to discredit a people, all of whom he thinks are inferior.
That man refered to all muslims "goat fuckers", yeah I'm sure he had great intentions when he made that film. ::)
I have to strongly disagree with you on this one. Actually, I don't think you have your facts straight.
"that Dutch film producer", Theo Van Gogh was his name, and he was a director, the movie he was killed over was a collaboration with the female Dutch-Somalian feminist politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali , who is one of the fiercest critics of Islam in the world.
Hirsi Ali earlier on this year felt she had to leave the Netherlands, due to the harassments from the Muslim community.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali has numerous times spoken out on her views on what kind of person Theo Van Gogh was, and what she feels his motives were.
Check out the movie. It's called "Submission".
Here's the wikipedia material on Ayaan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali
YIP
Zack
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shit, how much sympathy I hold for someone making a critical movie about a people he refers to as "goat fuckers" ::) I'd love to see a racist movie come out in America, if free speech is to be taken as a black cheque to say whatever the hell u want. I completely agree with what the other goat f***** is saying in this thread.
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Theo van Gogh? The film he made was made jointly with a muslim woman who had suffered greatly under her religion
The Etheopian(correct spelling?) woman. So what if he did? The man went around calling muslims goatfuckers. ::)
I want to make a film that's critical of islam myself, but with good intentions and to promote education about the religion's falacies. This Dutch guy did not have good intentions, he was guided by hate.
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Actually he was a beloved radio host whose big schtick was to slam everybody, a Dutch version of Howard Stern if you like. Perhaps Howard Stern should meet with the same fate.
Just listen to you two. Very sad on a human level.
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shit, how much sympathy I hold for someone making a critical movie about a people he refers to as "goat fuckers" ::) I'd love to see a racist movie come out in America, if free speech is to be taken as a black cheque to say whatever the hell u want. I completely agree with what the other goat f***** is saying in this thread.
Amen, bhai.
meh nordic koh mar dalengo bandook se.
Argh, my urdu sucks. :P
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shit, how much sympathy I hold for someone making a critical movie about a people he refers to as "goat fuckers" ::) I'd love to see a racist movie come out in America, if free speech is to be taken as a black cheque to say whatever the hell u want. I completely agree with what the other goat f***** is saying in this thread.
Get your facts straight mate.
Camel Jockey is an Atheist, he's merely in disagreement with the description of Muslims in that movie.
I however, disagrees with CJ's take on Van Gogh's motives for doing the movie. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been harassed by the Muslim community to the point that she felt the need to leave Holland.
That's a huge blow to democracy and to the feminist movement.
With all that being said, I of course can never accept racial slurs such as "goat fcukers" being used.
The difference between democratic persons as you and me and these medieval barbarians who killed Van Gogh, of course being that I would protest by voicing my opinion in democratic ways, such as protest lists et al.
Not kill the man.
YIP
Zack
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Actually he was a beloved radio host whose big schtick was to slam everybody, a Dutch version of Howard Stern if you like. Perhaps Howard Stern should meet with the same fate.
Just listen to you two. Very sad on a human level.
He should have come to America, we could have smoked a spliff or two together. Shame he's dead.
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Actually he was a beloved radio host whose big schtick was to slam everybody, a Dutch version of Howard Stern if you like. Perhaps Howard Stern should meet with the same fate.
Just listen to you two. Very sad on a human level.
Oh please! Where have CJ or I said that it was ok for him to be killed? I just dont have any sympathy for him cuz he was a racist f***
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Amen, bhai.
meh nordic koh mar dalengo bandook se.
Argh, my urdu sucks. :P
haha I understand. "daloonga" would have been the correct word to use. Too bad I can't speak any bengali myself, though I do have some god bengali friends.
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Oh please! Where have CJ or I said that it was ok for him to be killed? I just dont have any sympathy for him cuz he was a racist f***
Good point. We're not excited or thrilled about his death, nor did we praise the savage that slayed him. Originally, I was just pointing out his intentions, but deedee took it the wrong way.
Maybe deedee is an angry dyke? ;)
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Get your facts straight mate.
Camel Jockey is an Atheist, he's merely in disagreement with the description of Muslims in that movie.
I however, disagrees with CJ's take on Van Gogh's motives for doing the movie. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been harassed by the Muslim community to the point that she felt the need to leave Holland.
That's a huge blow to democracy and to the feminist movement.
With all that being said, I of course can never accept racial slurs such as "goat fcukers" being used.
The difference between democratic persons as you and me and these medieval barbarians who killed Van Gogh, of course being that I would protest by voicing my opinion in democratic ways, such as protest lists et al.
Not kill the man.
YIP
Zack
Ofcourse.
Yours In Peace
Haider
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Actually he was a beloved radio host whose big schtick was to slam everybody, a Dutch version of Howard Stern if you like. Perhaps Howard Stern should meet with the same fate.
Just listen to you two. Very sad on a human level.
deedee, very good post.
Theo Van Gogh had made blasphemous attacks on just about every institution in Holland.
Why couldn't the Muslim community handle it?
I know that we once again lands with the problem of blaming a group as a whole for the crimes committed by individuals.
But there is a difference: The harassments of Ayaan Hirsi Ali has continued after the Van Gogh slaying. The Dutch Muslim community hasn't dealt with their extremist branches.
I know this may be hard for a lot of Americans to grasp, as USA is a land of immigrants, and there is a set tradition where immigrants instantly assimilitates into the US society. These Muslim immigrants however, for whatever reason, in general, refuses to assimilate.
It's a problem for the countries in the European Union.
YIP
Zack
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Good point. We're not excited or thrilled about his death, nor did we praise the savage that slayed him. Originally, I was just pointing out his intentions, but deedee took it the wrong way.
Maybe deedee is an angry dyke? ;)
How sad that she took your post as a "rationale for his murder". Absolutely insane.
yea, maybe she is an angry..errr...woman.
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Maybe deedee is an angry dyke? ;)
Lol, of course, what other reason could there be?
And, a whiny one at that too... ;)
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Good point. We're not excited or thrilled about his death, nor did we praise the savage that slayed him. Originally, I was just pointing out his intentions, but deedee took it the wrong way.
Maybe deedee is an angry dyke? ;)
Honestly, we're having a good discussion here IMO, not the usual NS haterade going on (sorry NS ;D)
So what's with the "angry dyke" comment?
That's fcuked up. Show some class mate.
You claim to have issues with racist slurs in a movie by a "dutch film producer". Yet you have to try to dismiss deedee's efforts as "angry dyke"?
You're better than that.
YIP
Zack
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Honestly, we're having a good discussion here IMO, not the usual NS haterade going on (sorry NS ;D)
So what's with the "angry dyke" comment?
That's fcuked up. Show some class mate.
You claim to have issues with racist slurs in a movie by a "dutch film producer". Yet you have to try to dismiss deedee's efforts as "angry dyke"?
You're better than that.
YIP
Zack
A tasteless joke. My apologies.
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Thanks Hedge. I'm going to assume it's just good-natured poking.
My original post didn't really have much to do with Van Gogh himself, just the fact that he was murdered for being critical. Oh well, at least it got interesting for a bit, and that's fine. :)
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Amen, bhai.
meh nordic koh mar dalengo bandook se.
Argh, my urdu sucks. :P
amen, brother
I will kill Nordic with a gun.
thought I'd translate, just in case anyone cared
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amen, brother
I will kill Nordic with a gun.
thought I'd translate, just in case anyone cared
damn bro :D
I'm impressed.
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Are you able to speak hindi/urdu flutently? If so, howcome? Or did u get one of your desi friends to translate that for you :P
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I'm pretty fluent. Like I've said before, I've done a lot of work in that part of the world.
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I'm intrigued. Wont ask many questions, but it's good to have people here who've experienced so much. I wonder what the hell brings you here, and keeps you here.
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I wonder what the hell brings you here, and keeps you here.
it's like going to the neighborhood bar . . . just better. Nobody knows who I am, so I don't have to worry about what I say . . . in real life, b/c of what I do, and what I hope to do, I have to bite my tongue a lot. :(
and the crowd here is pretty diverse, I like that . . . the people I encounter on a day-to-day basis are all pretty much cast in the same mold.
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it's like going to the neighborhood bar . . . just better. Nobody knows who I am, so I don't have to worry about what I say . . . in real life, b/c of what I do, and what I hope to do, I have to bite my tongue a lot. :(
and the crowd here is pretty diverse, I like that . . . the people I encounter on a day-to-day basis are all pretty much cast in the same mold.
care to expand on all of that? Quite a mouth full there....... no need to bite your tounge here, just come out with it!
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amen, brother
I will kill Nordic with a gun.
thought I'd translate, just in case anyone cared
I for one am suitably impressed.
Is the sentence "I will kill Nordic with a gun" at all disturbing though, lol?
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amen, brother
I will kill Nordic with a gun.
thought I'd translate, just in case anyone cared
Hmm, this goes beyond a threat into a promise! Think I might have to have words with Ron about this brother, death threats are very islamic and very un-cool... :-\
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I was an inside joke between haider and myself. :P
As for al-gebra, he's a bienchod.
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I was an inside joke between haider and myself. :P
As for al-gebra, he's a bienchod.
An inside joke as in: "Only the muslim brotherhood of getbig shall know of my plan to MURDER Mr. Nord"
Is toxic a member of your brotherhood?
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An inside joke as in: "Only the muslim brotherhood of getbig shall know of my plan to MURDER Mr. Nord"
Is toxic a member of your brotherhood?
Murder? LOL ::) It was a fucking joke. Leave it to you to take it seriously.
Btw how many times do I have to tell you that I'm not a muslim?
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An inside joke as in: "Only the muslim brotherhood of getbig shall know of my plan to MURDER Mr. Nord"
Is toxic a member of your brotherhood?
Don't attribute false religious and political beliefs to other people.
I think that's incredibly shitty.
Not to mention, it disrupts the discussion, and fcuks up YOUR credibility.
Neither Toxie or CJ are Muslims. They're both Atheist.
A-T-H-E-I-S-T.
Ok?
YIP
Zack
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Btw how many times do I have to tell you that I'm not a muslim?
Keep up the façade brother! :-*
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Don't attribute false religious and political beliefs to other people.
I think that's incredibly shitty.
Not to mention, it disrupts the discussion, and fcuks up YOUR credibility.
Neither Toxie or CJ are Muslims. They're both Atheist.
A-T-H-E-I-S-T.
Ok?
YIP
Zack
WTF? We're both jesting, what's the problem brother Zackarius?
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WTF? We're both jesting, what's the problem brother Zackarius?
Ah...nothing, dear brother Nordichai.
YIP
Zacharius