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Re: Man Stabs Wife and Daughter over Plans to Leave Islam...
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2006, 10:27:24 AM »
2 successive posts? M E L T D O W N!

Ozmo owned me? Sorry brother, but the only one siding with Ozmos liberal apologist views is..            A FUCKING MUZZY!

My point about apostates in islams still stands, full ownership of this thread is mine!

It is clear quite clear that under Islamic Law an apostate must be put to death. There is no dispute on this ruling among classical Muslim or modern scholars, and we shall return to the textual evidence for it. Some modern scholars have argued that in the Koran the apostate is threatened with punishment only in the next world, as for example at XVI.106, “Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief –save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom.” Similarly in III.90-91, “Lo! those who disbelieve after their (profession of) belief, and afterward grow violent in disbelief, their repentance will not be accepted. And such are those who are astray. Lo! those who disbelieve, and die in disbelief, the (whole) earth full of gold would not be accepted from such an one if it were offered as a ransom (for his soul).Theirs will be a painful doom and they will have no helpers.”

However, Sura II.217 is interpreted by no less an authority than al-Shafi’i(died 820 C.E.), the founder of one of the four orthodox schools of law of Sunni Islam to mean that the death penalty should be prescribed for apostates. Sura II.217 reads: “… But whoever of you recants and dies an unbeliever , his works shall come to nothing in this world and the next, and they are the companions of the fire for ever.” Al-Thalabi and al -Khazan concur. Al-Razi in his commentary on II:217 says the apostate should be killed.

Similarly, IV. 89: “They would have you disbelieve as they themselves have disbelieved, so that you may be all like alike. Do not befriend them until they have fled their homes for the cause of God. If they desert you seize them and put them to death wherever you find them. Look for neither friends nor helpers among them…” Baydawi (died c. 1315-16), in his celebrated commentary on the Koran, interprets this passage to mean: “Whosover turns back from his belief ( irtada ), openly or secretly, take him and kill him wheresoever ye find him, like any other infidel. Separate yourself from him altogether. Do not accept intercession in his regard”. Ibn Kathir in his commentary on this passage quoting Al Suddi (died 745) says that since the unbelievers had manifested their unbelief they should be killed.

Abul Ala Mawdudi [1903-1979], the founder of the Jamat-i Islami, is perhaps the most influential Muslim thinker of the 20th century, being responsible for the Islamic resurgence in modern times. He called for a return to the Koran and a purified sunna as a way to revive and revitalise Islam. In his book on apostasy in Islam, Mawdudi argued that even the Koran prescribes the death penalty for all apostates. He points to sura IX for evidence:
“But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief Lo! they have no binding oaths in order that they may desist.”(IX: 11,12)

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Re: Man Stabs Wife and Daughter over Plans to Leave Islam...
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2006, 10:37:35 AM »
Lovely copy paste there idiot  ::) Apostate's may be prescribed death under Sharia LAW (arguable point), BUT this guy is no one to carry out the punishment for Sharia law... he in no way holds that authority. Also, there's no sharia law where he lives. This guy must be held accountable for his own actions, just like the actions of those who murder muslim converts from christianity.
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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2006, 11:00:14 AM »
Lovely copy paste there idiot  ::) Apostate's may be prescribed death under Sharia LAW (arguable point), BUT this guy is no one to carry out the punishment for Sharia law... he in no way holds that authority. Also, there's no sharia law where he lives. This guy must be held accountable for his own actions, just like the actions of those who murder muslim converts from christianity.

Of course he is accountable for his own actions ???

My point is islam has a role to play in brainwashing him, and justifying his actions (which it does).

Who was the last muslim convert from christianity murdered haider?

The majority of apostates are murdered in the name of islam? Can you admit that? The facts don't lie muzzy!
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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2006, 11:11:45 AM »
Of course he is accountable for his own actions ???

My point is islam has a role to play in brainwashing him, and justifying his actions (which it does).


Who was the last muslim convert from christianity murdered haider?

The majority of apostates are murdered in the name of islam? Can you admit that? The facts don't lie muzzy!
Yes, I can believe that, though we dont have any numbers on our hands. Just because you hear about one thing more than the other doesn't mean it occurs more frequently than the other(%age occurrence is also relevant). You also have to take into account how religious people are in the west (where the majority of chrisitans are found) as compared to the middle-east; how people in the middle-east(muslims AND christians) tend to be [a lot] more religiously conservative as compared to people in the west. This is why you see this kind of thing happening more amongst middle-eastern people (+ south asian, etc). It has very little to do with the respective religions.
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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2006, 11:14:27 AM »
Yes, I can believe that, though we dont have any numbers on our hands. Just because you hear about one thing more than the other doesn't mean it occurs more frequently than the other(%age occurrence is also relevant). You also have to take into account how religious people are in the west (where the majority of chrisitans are found) as compared to the middle-east; how people in the middle-east(muslims AND christians) tend to be [a lot] more religiously conservative as compared to people in the west. This is why you see this kind of thing happening more amongst middle-eastern people (+ south asian, etc). It has very little to do with the respective religions.

Oh brother... yeah right ::)

It happens mostly in islamic households, because of the "religion" of islam.

Deal with it, your denial is pathetic.
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« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2006, 11:15:53 AM »
ZERO proof...nada..just all hateful talk. Caveman.
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« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2006, 11:25:25 AM »
ZERO proof...nada..just all hateful talk. Caveman.

Zero proof? ??? It's in the news almost everyday you assclown.

Did someone say caveman?

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« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2006, 02:27:36 AM »
Hahaha, look at you Ozmo, trying to bring Christianity down to islams level... ::)

He bahaved like he did due to islams teachings, and the whole situation was to do with the religion. Did the 2 accounts you posted about revolve around Christianity?

Trying to allign Christianity with islam after reading this story is just out right disgusting.

Christianity is far more secular.

Islam is 500 years younger, and also has the slight problem of having a text that is the direct words of God.

The validity of Islam should be questioned. If any enlightened person reads the Quran, he or she will see that it's a bunch of bullshit. Islam acknowledges slavery and different laws for females and males. Just to name a few examples.

The PRACTICE of Islam should also be questioned.

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« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2006, 02:35:21 AM »
Christianity is far more secular.

Islam is 500 years younger, and also has the slight problem of having a text that is the direct words of God.

The validity of Islam should be questioned. If any enlightened person reads the Quran, he or she will see that it's a bunch of bullshit. Islam acknowledges slavery and different laws for females and males. Just to name a few examples.

The PRACTICE of Islam should also be questioned.

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Wow, nice post... and here I was believing you was an appeaser of the devil worshippers!

Congrats brother "Hedge"!
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« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2006, 03:07:13 AM »
Wow, nice post... and here I was believing you was an appeaser of the devil worshippers!

Congrats brother "Hedge"!

If you would read my posts, you would know that I am a hard critic of Islam.

However, I could never tolerate Muslims being harassed.

Their faith cannot be accepted into world law. Every woman should also be offered protection from Islamic practice, since Islam house laws are unequal and unjust.

I still believe we must hold ourselves to a higher standard. Namecalling and hatemongering will lead to nothing.

It will only make the secular Muslims more protective of Islam in general. Forcing them to one day take side.

Why not instead ask these secular Muslims if they honestly believe in the Quran?

It doesn't really matter what they answer. If they lie, they will know inside that their faith is just a hoax.

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« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2006, 03:15:37 AM »
If you would read my posts, you would know that I am a hard critic of Islam.

However, I could never tolerate Muslims being harassed.

Their faith cannot be accepted into world law. Every woman should also be offered protection from Islamic practice, since Islam house laws are unequal and unjust.

I still believe we must hold ourselves to a higher standard. Namecalling and hatemongering will lead to nothing.

It will only make the secular Muslims more protective of Islam in general. Forcing them to one day take side.

Why not instead ask these secular Muslims if they honestly believe in the Quran?

It doesn't really matter what they answer. If they lie, they will know inside that their faith is just a hoax.

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It matters if these "lies" harm my fellow countrymen, and the countrymen of my allies.

You think we can afford to just sit back?

One day I might have children to protect, I'm not being mentally lazy by "just sitting back" and appeasing this immoral satanists.
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Re: Man Stabs Wife and Daughter over Plans to Leave Islam...
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2006, 10:10:56 PM »
Of course he is accountable for his own actions ???

My point is islam has a role to play in brainwashing him, and justifying his actions (which it does).

Who was the last muslim convert from christianity murdered haider?

The majority of apostates are murdered in the name of islam? Can you admit that? The facts don't lie muzzy!


Go to Death row...................  they ALL have some thing they use to justify their actions that shifts the blame from them.....dosn't mean jack.  They still chose to commit their crime.

Manni yiou are smarter than this aren't you?

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« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2006, 10:42:35 PM »
Christianity is far more secular.

Islam is 500 years younger, and also has the slight problem of having a text that is the direct words of God.

The validity of Islam should be questioned. If any enlightened person reads the Quran, he or she will see that it's a bunch of bullshit. Islam acknowledges slavery and different laws for females and males. Just to name a few examples.

The PRACTICE of Islam should also be questioned.

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Just to add a point:  Same with anyone with any sense reading the BIBle.  It's mostly BS.

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« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2006, 01:48:40 AM »

Just to add a point:  Same with anyone with any sense reading the BIBle.  It's mostly BS.

No it isn't.

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« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2006, 02:03:30 AM »
I believe the islamic language is nothing more than a cult.

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« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2006, 05:07:01 AM »
Let me preface my comment by stating that I think all religions are bullshit.  Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc., to me they're all pure crap. 

But Islam...  Islam is more than just normal bullshit.  It's more like a rancid diarrhea explosion that contaminates water supplies and spreads sickness and pestilence through the land.  Christian Bible beaters are annoying but you're fooling yourself if you think they're anywhere near as bad as Jihadists shouting "Allah Akbar". 

Maybe some Christians are stuck in the 1950's.  Let's face it: the typical Muslim from a 3rd world country (and some that have moved to the first world) has the mindset of an 11th century barbarian.

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« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2006, 05:23:49 AM »
Let me preface my comment by stating that I think all religions are bullshit.  Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc., to me they're all pure crap. 

But Islam...  Islam is more than just normal bullshit.  It's more like a rancid diarrhea explosion that contaminates water supplies and spreads sickness and pestilence through the land.  Christian Bible beaters are annoying but you're fooling yourself if you think they're anywhere near as bad as Jihadists shouting "Allah Akbar". 

Maybe some Christians are stuck in the 1950's.  Let's face it: the typical Muslim from a 3rd world country (and some that have moved to the first world) has the mindset of an 11th century barbarian.

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« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2006, 09:12:50 AM »
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For a narrow minded alarmist i can see why you say that. 


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« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2006, 09:20:10 AM »

 Let's face it: the typical Muslim from a 3rd world country (and some that have moved to the first world) has the mindset of an 11th century barbarian.


Very untrue.   Do you base this upon practical first hand experince or the stream of tainted media you watch every night?  There are large groups of radical muslims in these middle eastern countries who are barbaric, mostly in or from the very impoverished areas or the country.  But as a whole, they are not that way.  And in the western world, muslims, of which i know or have been in contact with in the hundreds over the last 20 years, are no different the average american chasing tail, partying, raising families and accumilating wealth.

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« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2006, 09:23:10 AM »

Very untrue.   Do you base this upon practical first hand experince or the stream of tainted media you watch every night?  There are large groups of radical muslims in these middle eastern countries who are barbaric, mostly in or from the very impoverished areas or the country.  But as a whole, they are not that way.  And in the western world, muslims, of which i know or have been in contact with in the hundreds over the last 20 years, are no different the average american chasing tail, partying, raising families and accumilating wealth.

I have greater experience in dealing with muslim communities than you. I can confirm they behave like cave men in the west too.

They are a disgrace, the pakistani and bangladeshi muslims in britain contain a higher proportion of disgraceful people than anyone.

Just ask Diesel for confirmation.
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« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2006, 10:00:08 AM »
Dear Liberal Apologist,

Stop appeasing and wake up:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1546101,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/13/thai.beheading.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest
http://www.mississauga.com/mi/news/story/3729373p-4310675c.html

Dear Narrow minded Alarmist,


Stop steroetyping an entire faith based on extremists and their use of a religion to justify thier actions and incite violence.


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« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2006, 10:02:21 AM »
Dear Narrow minded Alarmist,

Stop steroetyping an entire faith based on extremists and their use of a religion to justify thier actions and incite violence.

Laughable, you clearly know NOTHING about islam.

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« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2006, 10:04:08 AM »
I have greater experience in dealing with muslim communities than you. I can confirm they behave like cave men in the west too.

They are a disgrace, the pakistani and bangladeshi muslims in britain contain a higher proportion of disgraceful people than anyone.

Just ask Diesel for confirmation.

Well, maybe in England, but NOT in the USA.   Maybe England just tends to attract that type.  Or maybe you are just focusing on the "young men".  Who like your typical head banger linverpool are unruly anyways.

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« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2006, 10:07:31 AM »
Laughable, you clearly know NOTHING about islam.

IDIOT.

I know far more than you.  And i'm not a narrow minded alarmist.  I'm not so stupid as to label an entire faith as violent based on a extreme radicals.  You however are.  Because you scare easy................  no different than the white southerner who joins the KKK.  Very small minded.