Man Stabs Wife and Daughter over Plans to Leave Islam...

[Deedee]

And your post shows how westerners love to jump to conclusions. All I said is that his film didn't have the best of interests and it's misleading how people thought he made the film to benedit opressed muslim women. I didn't say that he didn't have the right to make the film, nor did I say that he should have been murdered in such a brutal way.

And you automatically started whining about free speech, you assumed that's what I took issue with.

And I never said he made the film to benefit oppressed muslim women. All I said, in response to Ozmo's post, was that  Hollywood documentary producers making critical films do not get murdered in this country. If they did, there would be just as much outrage. So what was the point of your post, then, other than to rationalize Van Gogh's murder.  Just giving the back story?

[Diesel1]

You think that Dutch film producer actually gave a shit about the rights of muslim women, or opressed muslim people in general? His documentary was produced exclusively to discredit a people, all of whom he thinks are inferior.
That man refered to all muslims "goat fuckers", yeah I'm sure he had great intentions when he made that film. 

Theo van Gogh? The film he made was made jointly with a muslim woman who had suffered greatly under her religion

[Hedgehog]

You think that Dutch film producer actually gave a shit about the rights of muslim women, or opressed muslim people in general? His documentary was produced exclusively to discredit a people, all of whom he thinks are inferior.
That man refered to all muslims "goat fuckers", yeah I'm sure he had great intentions when he made that film. 

I have to strongly disagree with you on this one. Actually, I don't think you have your facts straight.

"that Dutch film producer", Theo Van Gogh was his name, and he was a director, the movie he was killed over was a collaboration with the female Dutch-Somalian feminist politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali , who is one of the fiercest critics of Islam in the world.

Hirsi Ali earlier on this year felt she had to leave the Netherlands, due to the harassments from the Muslim community.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali has numerous times spoken out on her views on what kind of person Theo Van Gogh was, and what she feels his motives were.

Check out the movie. It's called "Submission".

Here's the wikipedia material on Ayaan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali

YIP
Zack

[haider]

shit, how much sympathy I hold for someone making a critical movie about a people he refers to as "goat fuckers"   I'd love to see a racist movie come out in America, if free speech is to be taken as a black cheque to say whatever the hell u want. I completely agree with what the other goat f***** is saying in this thread.

[Camel Jockey]

Theo van Gogh? The film he made was made jointly with a muslim woman who had suffered greatly under her religion

The Etheopian(correct spelling?) woman. So what if he did? The man went around calling muslims goatfuckers.  

I want to make a film that's critical of islam myself, but with good intentions and to promote education about the religion's falacies. This Dutch guy did not have good intentions, he was guided by hate.

[Deedee]

Actually he was a beloved radio host whose big schtick was to slam everybody, a Dutch version of Howard Stern if you like. Perhaps Howard Stern should meet with the same fate.

Just listen to you two. Very sad on a human level.

[Camel Jockey]

shit, how much sympathy I hold for someone making a critical movie about a people he refers to as "goat fuckers"   I'd love to see a racist movie come out in America, if free speech is to be taken as a black cheque to say whatever the hell u want. I completely agree with what the other goat f***** is saying in this thread.

Amen, bhai.

meh nordic koh mar dalengo bandook se.

Argh, my urdu sucks.  

[Hedgehog]

shit, how much sympathy I hold for someone making a critical movie about a people he refers to as "goat fuckers"  I'd love to see a racist movie come out in America, if free speech is to be taken as a black cheque to say whatever the hell u want. I completely agree with what the other goat f***** is saying in this thread.

Get your facts straight mate.

Camel Jockey is an Atheist, he's merely in disagreement with the description of Muslims in that movie.

I however, disagrees with CJ's take on Van Gogh's motives for doing the movie. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been harassed by the Muslim community to the point that she felt the need to leave Holland.

That's a huge blow to democracy and to the feminist movement.

With all that being said, I of course can never accept racial slurs such as "goat fcukers" being used.

The difference between democratic persons as you and me and these medieval barbarians who killed Van Gogh, of course being that I would protest by voicing my opinion in democratic ways, such as protest lists et al.

Not kill the man.



YIP
Zack

[Camel Jockey]

Actually he was a beloved radio host whose big schtick was to slam everybody, a Dutch version of Howard Stern if you like. Perhaps Howard Stern should meet with the same fate.

Just listen to you two. Very sad on a human level.

He should have come to America, we could have smoked a spliff or two together. Shame he's dead.

[haider]

Actually he was a beloved radio host whose big schtick was to slam everybody, a Dutch version of Howard Stern if you like. Perhaps Howard Stern should meet with the same fate.

Just listen to you two. Very sad on a human level.

Oh please! Where have CJ or I said that it was ok for him to be killed? I just dont have any sympathy for him cuz he was a racist f***

[haider]

Amen, bhai.

meh nordic koh mar dalengo bandook se.

Argh, my urdu sucks.  

haha I understand. "daloonga" would have been the correct word to use. Too bad I can't speak any bengali myself, though I do have some god bengali friends.

[Camel Jockey]

Oh please! Where have CJ or I said that it was ok for him to be killed? I just dont have any sympathy for him cuz he was a racist f***

Good point. We're not excited or thrilled about his death, nor did we praise the savage that slayed him. Originally, I was just pointing out his intentions, but deedee took it the wrong way.

Maybe deedee is an angry dyke?  

[haider]

Get your facts straight mate.

Camel Jockey is an Atheist, he's merely in disagreement with the description of Muslims in that movie.

I however, disagrees with CJ's take on Van Gogh's motives for doing the movie. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been harassed by the Muslim community to the point that she felt the need to leave Holland.

That's a huge blow to democracy and to the feminist movement.

With all that being said, I of course can never accept racial slurs such as "goat fcukers" being used.

The difference between democratic persons as you and me and these medieval barbarians who killed Van Gogh, of course being that I would protest by voicing my opinion in democratic ways, such as protest lists et al.

Not kill the man.



YIP
Zack

Ofcourse.

Yours In Peace
Haider

[Hedgehog]

Actually he was a beloved radio host whose big schtick was to slam everybody, a Dutch version of Howard Stern if you like. Perhaps Howard Stern should meet with the same fate.

Just listen to you two. Very sad on a human level.

deedee, very good post.

Theo Van Gogh had made blasphemous attacks on just about every institution in Holland.

Why couldn't the Muslim community handle it?

I know that we once again lands with the problem of blaming a group as a whole for the crimes committed by individuals.

But there is a difference: The harassments of Ayaan Hirsi Ali has continued after the Van Gogh slaying. The Dutch Muslim community hasn't dealt with their extremist branches.

I know this may be hard for a lot of Americans to grasp, as USA is a land of immigrants, and there is a set tradition where immigrants instantly assimilitates into the US society. These Muslim immigrants however, for whatever reason, in general, refuses to assimilate.

It's a problem for the countries in the European Union.

YIP
Zack

[haider]

Good point. We're not excited or thrilled about his death, nor did we praise the savage that slayed him. Originally, I was just pointing out his intentions, but deedee took it the wrong way.

Maybe deedee is an angry dyke?  

How sad that she took your post as a "rationale for his murder". Absolutely insane.

yea, maybe she is an angry..errr...woman.

[Deedee]

Maybe deedee is an angry dyke?  

Lol, of course, what other reason could there be?

And, a whiny one at that too...

[Hedgehog]

Good point. We're not excited or thrilled about his death, nor did we praise the savage that slayed him. Originally, I was just pointing out his intentions, but deedee took it the wrong way.

Maybe deedee is an angry dyke? 

Honestly, we're having a good discussion here IMO, not the usual NS haterade going on (sorry NS  )

So what's with the "angry dyke" comment?

That's fcuked up. Show some class mate.

You claim to have issues with racist slurs in a movie by a "dutch film producer". Yet you have to try to dismiss deedee's efforts as "angry dyke"?

You're better than that.

YIP
Zack

[Camel Jockey]

Honestly, we're having a good discussion here IMO, not the usual NS haterade going on (sorry NS  )

So what's with the "angry dyke" comment?

That's fcuked up. Show some class mate.

You claim to have issues with racist slurs in a movie by a "dutch film producer". Yet you have to try to dismiss deedee's efforts as "angry dyke"?

You're better than that.

YIP
Zack

A tasteless joke. My apologies.

[Deedee]

Thanks Hedge.  I'm going to assume it's just good-natured poking.

My original post didn't really have much to do with Van Gogh himself, just the fact that he was murdered for being critical. Oh well, at least it got interesting for a bit, and that's fine. 

[Al-Gebra]

Amen, bhai.

meh nordic koh mar dalengo bandook se.

Argh, my urdu sucks. 

amen, brother

I will kill Nordic with a gun.

thought I'd translate, just in case anyone cared

[haider]

amen, brother

I will kill Nordic with a gun.

thought I'd translate, just in case anyone cared

damn bro

I'm impressed.

[haider]

Are you able to speak hindi/urdu flutently? If so, howcome? Or did u get one of your desi friends to translate that for you 

[Al-Gebra]

I'm pretty fluent. Like I've said before, I've done a lot of work in that part of the world.

[haider]

I'm intrigued. Wont ask many questions, but it's good to have people here who've experienced so much. I wonder what the hell brings you here, and keeps you here.

[Al-Gebra]

I wonder what the hell brings you here, and keeps you here.

it's like going to the neighborhood bar . . . just better. Nobody knows who I am, so I don't have to worry about what I say . . . in real life, b/c of what I do, and what I hope to do, I have to bite my tongue a lot. 

and the crowd here is pretty diverse, I like that . . . the people I encounter on a day-to-day basis are all pretty much cast in the same mold.