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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: bbinsider on October 13, 2006, 08:58:42 PM
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If you owned a product/supplement company would you sign Cutler to endorse your product/company and why? If not, who would you sign and why?
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Sure, he's Mr Olympia
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yeah he has the blonde hair tanned skin look that is appealing to the high disposable income population whom is seeking to improvement their image through supps
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Then a few posts from now is where you drop some huge bombshell of insider info that has zero truth and make bold predictions that never happen?
He's got a lot of size. You can't train for shape, to have better lines, or any of that. But size is more tangible. Nobody wants to be freakishly ripped, and veins can be a turnoff.
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Is this a trick question??? ::)
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Then a few posts from now is where you drop some huge bombshell of insider info that has zero truth and make bold predictions that never happen?
He's got a lot of size. You can't train for shape, to have better lines, or any of that. But size is more tangible. Nobody wants to be freakishly ripped, and veins can be a turnoff.
Are you looking for some "inside" info? No bombshells here just a straight up question.
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Without question. Jay's agent/management should have him hooked up with all sorts of mainstream companies by now.
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No I wouldn't. He's not attractive nor is he marketable enough to move anything except to the hardcore bodybuilding audience.
Nothing has changed with him as Mr. Olympia.
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Without question. Jay's agent/management should have him hooked up with all sorts of mainstream companies by now.
Ummm Are you kidding me?
No mainstream company is going to touch Jay. He isn't sexy enough to sell anything to the mainstream. In fact the only people he could sell to are harcore Bodybuilding fans and horny old grandmas.
His physique is that of a refrigerator. I was at a show where he guest posed, and many of the non bodybuilding audience were thouroughly disgusted by his look.
He also lacks charisma and charm (just like Ronnie)
Again if Bodybuilding was going in a different direction....He is just not it.
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No I wouldn't. He's not attractive nor is he marketable enough to move anything except to the hardcore bodybuilding audience.
Nothing has changed with him as Mr. Olympia.
Bodybuilders and fans of bodybuilding buy stereos, cars, sunglasses, use credit cards...the list goes on and on
Please put some more info to your post why you believe he 'only' has hardcore marketing potential
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Without question. Jay's agent/management should have him hooked up with all sorts of mainstream companies by now.
What do you consider mainstream and how would you use him outside of the BB market? You cannot place Cutler for example in a Costco or Walmart for a signing. Outside the BBmarket Cutler is useless.
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What do you consider mainstream and how would you use him outside of the BB market? You cannot place Cutler for example in a Costco or Walmart for a signing. Outside the BBmarket Cutler is useless.
read above...its this mentality that keeps BB so isolated
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read above...its this mentality that keeps BB so isolated
The mass market is not attracted to the freak show. At some point ESPN was a strong sponsor in BB but they pulled once they were bought by Disney. TLC shows BB but from a circus point of view. Why do you think they keep showing Valentino titled "The man with the expoding arms". BB is like a scary movie to the mass market they have no interest but want to take a few "looks" out of curiosity.
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Ummm Are you kidding me?
No mainstream company is going to touch Jay.
I don't know about that . . . word on the street is that Procter & Gamble (Crest) and Colgate-Palmolive are currently in a bidding war with each other as both companies are trying desperately to sign Jay to a lucrative toothpaste endorsement deal (since they are keenly aware that Jay likes to brush his teeth a lot.)
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Bodybuilders and fans of bodybuilding buy stereos, cars, sunglasses, use credit cards...the list goes on and on
Please put some more info to your post why you believe he 'only' has hardcore marketing potential
Bodybuilding fans are only a small segment of the population. How many folks can I reach at one of your events? Not that many. If you're looking to market only to bodybuilders...cool. But if you're looking for mainstream marketing...not gonna happen.
Not only that bodybuilding can't even get CABLE coverage anymore. That's where the bread and butter of advertising is...television. The Olympia was the other weekend, and I heard nothing about it on any television station.
Jay does not have what it takes to relate to the non bodybuilding fan. As I said before, when he guest posed at the local show...the only folks creaming their pants were hardcore muscleheads and horny old grandmas. They seem to like him. That's jsut his physique.
You need sex appeal and charisma to really cater to the mainstream crowd. If bodybuilding wants to get some of the steam it had when Arnold was on top, then they will need to find that charismatic, sexy, and smart individual to represent them.
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What do you consider mainstream and how would you use him outside of the BB market? You cannot place Cutler for example in a Costco or Walmart for a signing. Outside the BBmarket Cutler is useless.
LOL... true but there is a lot of $ in BBing :)
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Ok then, lets do this.
Any pro bodybuilders want a 'mainstream' sponsor?
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LOL... true but there is a lot of $ in BBing :)
Then that money needs to be put back into the sport. Paying attention to detail and really working on professionalism will really make a big difference.
Notice the Arnold and how professional that show is.
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Ok so if not Jay, who would you sign, who do you think would have the most appeal to the mainstream or mass of the population?
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Ok so if not Jay, who would you sign, who do you think would have the most appeal to the mainstream or mass of the population?
Richard Jones
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I personally think Phil Heath has the most potential right now, but I would really look into Lee Priest and Shawn Ray maybe a couple years back for various reasons
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What do you consider mainstream and how would you use him outside of the BB market? You cannot place Cutler for example in a Costco or Walmart for a signing. Outside the BBmarket Cutler is useless.
Pretty big gay for pay market outside of the BBmarket. Magazines would suck Cutler up for photo shoots and modeling if he were willing. I am not saying hide the salami or pull the salami here, though it is a highly paid trade if he were to enter it.
So yes outside of BB there is a market just a matter of yes or no to enter it.
-keep it real-
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The drugs in the sport hold it back from the mainstream. Nobody wants to sponser a drug user.
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w/o a doubt
he should be the #1 person sought out right now for a supp contract. Manufactures should be trying to get him to sign & leave the company he's currently with.
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YES! He's reliable, smart, motivated. He'd be extremely valuable. No one negative thing bout the guy.
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Didn't Gunter do a Perdue chicken commercial? And he's in Beerfest and signed for another movie with Broken Lizard I believe. If he can be marketed so can Jay.
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Ummm Are you kidding me?
No mainstream company is going to touch Jay. He isn't sexy enough to sell anything to the mainstream. In fact the only people he could sell to are harcore Bodybuilding fans and horny old grandmas.
His physique is that of a refrigerator. I was at a show where he guest posed, and many of the non bodybuilding audience were thouroughly disgusted by his look.
He also lacks charisma and charm (just like Ronnie)
Again if Bodybuilding was going in a different direction....He is just not it.
Exactly. Mainstream companies would not touch any pro bber. Most people in the mainstream media associate bbing with drug use. The first thing a "regular" person sees when they see a pro bodybuilder is "he takes steroids". BBing will always remain a cult sport.
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Didn't Gunter do a Perdue chicken commercial? And he's in Beerfest and signed for another movie with Broken Lizard I believe. If he can be marketed so can Jay.
Being mainstream means becoming very close to a household name. Getting 5-10 second gigs here and there does not justify being mainstream. Once you hear Gunther's, Chick's, Jay's..etc name being used then you know that person has reached the mass market.
Unless the person decides to walk away from competative bodybuilding and "clean" himself out and drop a few pounds it's not happening.
The Rock was told to lose 40 pounds before he even gets close to a movie screen and he was already a household name in the WWE.
One of the reasons you see a big bodybuilder in a commercial, TV show or movie is because it's angles as a freak show. Let's not forget when Ronnie was on Jay Leno and raced stuttering John on the beach. How insulting was that?
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Let's not forget when Ronnie was on Jay Leno and raced stuttering John on the beach. How insulting was that?
spot on man, that was a spit in the face of all bodybuilders and there fans
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YES! He's reliable, smart, motivated. He'd be extremely valuable. No one negative thing bout the guy.
Smart in the world of bodybuilding. What would Bill Gates be then? Then again, an IQ over 100 would be considered smart, so I guess so. Don't forget a great role model to the high school kids aspiring for a honest career. The best is when Cutler gave the seminar at a high school. Probably the most assbackwards thing I've ever seen. Guys on more drugs than a cancer patient. Oh brother. ::)
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Being mainstream means becoming very close to a household name. Getting 5-10 second gigs here and there does not justify being mainstream. Once you hear Gunther's, Chick's, Jay's..etc name being used then you know that person has reached the mass market.
Unless the person decides to walk away from competative bodybuilding and "clean" himself out and drop a few pounds it's not happening.
The Rock was told to lose 40 pounds before he even gets close to a movie screen and he was already a household name in the WWE.
One of the reasons you see a big bodybuilder in a commercial, TV show or movie is because it's angles as a freak show. Let's not forget when Ronnie was on Jay Leno and raced stuttering John on the beach. How insulting was that?
Great points.
Funny, cause the Rock is a big dude in his own right, but he's not "bbing" big.
About Ronnie, according to his "'nut-huggers" his apperance on Leno was a good thing..... ::)
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I think you folks keep forgetting that in Hollywood, Brat pitt is considered huge......... :-\
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MetRx has taken it's company to the masses and yet signs Dexter Jackson which still hasn't really appeared in many MetRx print ads. Why? Davana Medina was also a MetRx athlete and we hardly saw her in print ads.The same is going to happen with Phil Heath.
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Smart in the world of bodybuilding. What would Bill Gates be then? Then again, an IQ over 100 would be considered smart, so I guess so. Don't forget a great role model to the high school kids aspiring for a honest career. The best is when Cutler gave the seminar at a high school. Probably the most assbackwards thing I've ever seen. Guys on more drugs than a cancer patient. Oh brother. ::)
only thing standing between cutler and being 10x mr.o is a moaster maker !
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only thing standing between cutler and being 10x mr.o is a moaster maker !
Yeah. It has automatic updates through the wi fi recipe updater device. It's a steal for $840. I have 2 in my home.
-R. Moaster
Yes. Compared to Coleman, Cutler is a genius.
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if any of these guys got a decent agent they could be huge. look at the guy from green mile....that guy isnt a very good actor, but he is very famous and gets tons of roles just because of his big appearance.
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No, fake smile, tooth implants, jaw, hitler haircut, stocky...
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Didn't Gunter do a Perdue chicken commercial? And he's in Beerfest and signed for another movie with Broken Lizard I believe. If he can be marketed so can Jay.
Gunter also happens to be 6000 times more good looking than Jay.
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if any of these guys got a decent agent they could be huge. look at the guy from green mile....that guy isnt a very good actor, but he is very famous and gets tons of roles just because of his big appearance.
Have you seen him lately? He dropped 50 pounds to pursue more roles.
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Yeah. It has automatic updates through the wi fi recipe updater device. It's a steal for $840. I have 2 in my home.
-R. Moaster
Yes. Compared to Coleman, Cutler is a genius.
Yes, an IQ of 90 and above is a genius by BBing standards.
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Jay is has marketable look as long as he doesn't make those awful faces when he flex's LoL....
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Being mainstream means becoming very close to a household name. Getting 5-10 second gigs here and there does not justify being mainstream. Once you hear Gunther's, Chick's, Jay's..etc name being used then you know that person has reached the mass market.
Unless the person decides to walk away from competative bodybuilding and "clean" himself out and drop a few pounds it's not happening.
The Rock was told to lose 40 pounds before he even gets close to a movie screen and he was already a household name in the WWE.
One of the reasons you see a big bodybuilder in a commercial, TV show or movie is because it's angles as a freak show. Let's not forget when Ronnie was on Jay Leno and raced stuttering John on the beach. How insulting was that?
Spot on. The only time a BB is ever used in a mainstream commercial it is to promote some weird or freak angle.
Pro BB will never be mainstream or have mass appeal because it is far to extreme. 99.9% of people cannot identify, look up to or relate to any pro BB. Why should a mainstream company which wants to attract the mainstram audience hire/sponser somebody like that.
Like it or not when the man on the street sees Jay, Ronnie, et al all they see are..........Steroids.
Sad but true.
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Spot on. The only time a BB is ever used in a mainstream commercial it is to promote some weird or freak angle.
Pro BB will never be mainstream or have mass appeal because it is far to extreme. 99.9% of people cannot identify, look up to or relate to any pro BB. Why should a mainstream company which wants to attract the mainstram audience hire/sponser somebody like that.
Like it or not when the man on the street sees Jay, Ronnie, et al all they see are..........Steroids.
Sad but true.
Pro BB used to have mass appeal. They used to show it on ABC Wide World of Sports and then after that ESPN, but what happened? The physiques got more grotesque and ridiculous, and hte advertisers realized that it was pointless...no one is watching that crap except for a small segment of the population.
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Have you seen him lately? He dropped 50 pounds to pursue more roles.
no, to pursue different roles. i watched him in an interview saying he was tired of playing the bigg mean guy.....that he was interested in more acting range. and since he is no longer massive,,, there sprouts an opening in hollywood for mr. coleman, quincy taylor, tony freeman, and plenty others.....
theres so many available roles its crazy. they could do commercials for a new "king size" candy bar... and be like "its sooo big, even i cant finish it!!!" , or they could play an all star lineman in moviies about football, or they could be an like an egyption king(they werent muscular, but im sure the public would react well to a bodybuilder playing a pharoa)...the possibilities are endless, you just have to market them.
its easy.
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no, to pursue different roles. i watched him in an interview saying he was tired of playing the bigg mean guy.....that he was interested in more acting range. and since he is no longer massive,,, there sprouts an opening in hollywood for mr. coleman, quincy taylor, tony freeman, and plenty others.....
theres so many available roles its crazy. they could do commercials for a new "king size" candy bar... and be like "its sooo big, even i cant finish it!!!" , or they could play an all star lineman in moviies about football, or they could be an like an egyption king(they werent muscular, but im sure the public would react well to a bodybuilder playing a pharoa)...the possibilities are endless, you just have to market them.
its easy.
It's easy for a "b" role...yes
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Ummm Are you kidding me?
No mainstream company is going to touch Jay. He isn't sexy enough to sell anything to the mainstream. In fact the only people he could sell to are harcore Bodybuilding fans and horny old grandmas.
His physique is that of a refrigerator. I was at a show where he guest posed, and many of the non bodybuilding audience were thouroughly disgusted by his look.
He also lacks charisma and charm (just like Ronnie)
Again if Bodybuilding was going in a different direction....He is just not it.
The truth has been spoken
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If you owned a product/supplement company would you sign Cutler to endorse your product/company and why? If not, who would you sign and why?
No.
I would sign the best natural bodybuilders or track and fielders in the world.
I would never risk getting the bad PR of having any contracted athletes being tested positive for steroids, or in other ways associated with them.
I would definitely have anti-doping clauses in the contract, to prevent from getting any kind of PR crisis.
Even have some clause that would make the athlete have to participate in any doping tests conducted and paid by the company.
All to prevent from PR crisis such as the Balco affair.
YIP
Zack
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Mainstream no, but bodybuilders attract a HELL of alot of attention as long as its not Venice beach. Im by NO means big at all, and when i wear a tank top in public i get tons of attention n stupid comments by all different types and kinds of people. Imagine someone Cutlers size walking out into a highly populated area for one reason or another. Thatl attract a SHITLOAD of attention. People are mezmorized by seeing shit they dont see every day. They might not want to look like that themselves, but they are intrigued. Im sure that has money making potential, somebody just has to figure out how to use it...