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God, if only our politicians would grow some balls and just say it like this.
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on
Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted
radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister
John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists
would face a crackdown.
Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted
that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if
they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws
were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want
a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia
is not for you", he said on national television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he
said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to
the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told
reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values
should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be
Australians, and who don't want ! to live by Australian values and
understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility
that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a
better life by coming to Australia."
"However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand."
"This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served
only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles,
trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought
freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to
become part of our society, Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right
wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women,
on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls
of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider
another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of
our culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask
is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment
with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go",
then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this
planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change,
and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By
all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done
complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take
advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO
LEAVE'."
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come
here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted"
Beautiful 8)
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We have a huge 'skilled labour' shortage here in Australia and that story dosnt really represent our current immigration policies.
France banned the birka...thats affirmative action
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Nothing against any Muslim's but they should realize the pent up anger felt by many non Muslim's in the USA, Canada, Europe, Australia etc... This anger has been brought on by the extremists. Its unfortunate but Muslim's who love their adopted countries may someday not be wanted in these countries. They may well face a severe backlash by doing nothing to help stop extremism.
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Sharia law...man someone please read the fucking koran already.....just 1 white dood..please facking read the translation..
Sharia law is NOT islamic and anyone actually following that crap is an uber douche..
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Sharia law...man someone please read the fucking koran already.....just 1 white dood..please facking read the translation..
Sharia law is NOT islamic and anyone actually following that crap is an uber douche..
Don't insult our intelligence.
You obviously don't know Islam.
Good thing that there are others on this board that do.
I don't claim to be a specialist, but at least I know that sharia consists of the Quran and the Sunnas.
Your stupidity obviously knows no boundaries.
And you claim to be intelligent... Wow.
I-ones "animal or mammal" or jags Bush/Hitler post isn't even close to this level of stupidity.
How do you mean that sharia law ISN'T Islamic?
Tool.
YIP
Zack
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Toxic thinks the moon landings were fake and that the World Trade Center was brought down by a "controlled demolition". I would say that his credibility is less than stellar.
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it would be nice if certain european countries, hell the US too, would start thinking this way.
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The Rothschilds created fundamentalist Islam!
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Sharia law...man someone please read the fucking koran already.....just 1 white dood..please facking read the translation..
Sharia law is NOT islamic and anyone actually following that crap is an uber douche..
Forgot to add this question:
What have you read of the Quran, Toxie?
YIP
Zack
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God, if only our politicians would grow some balls and just say it like this.
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on
Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted
radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister
John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists
would face a crackdown.
Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted
that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if
they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws
were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want
a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia
is not for you", he said on national television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he
said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to
the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told
reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values
should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be
Australians, and who don't want ! to live by Australian values and
understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility
that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a
better life by coming to Australia."
"However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand."
"This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served
only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles,
trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought
freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to
become part of our society, Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right
wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women,
on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls
of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider
another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of
our culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask
is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment
with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go",
then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this
planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change,
and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By
all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done
complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take
advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO
LEAVE'."
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come
here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted"
Beautiful 8)
Yes Brother! Europe must wake up and stop pretending that noting is happening! Don't listen or answer to these "left wingers", they talk too much and their philosophy is "let it go someone will solve this, in the mean time I am free to call those who are against me, liars". This weak and selfish concept transformed the world in the pie of shit that is today! We must not allow muslim cultures to influentiate our european culture! Preservation is a must. HAIL TO EUROPE!
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That was indeed beautiful!
With the current crop of politicians in the EU nothing like this will ever be said until it civil war breaks out.
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AAhh,the joys of living in a tiny island that no one cares about means we can do all sorts of politically incorrect things and get away with it :D
We have stupefying immigration rules, which are only good for temporary immigration anyway. No single parents, must pass an AIDS test, must have post secondary education etc
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Good point of view by the Australians there - I only wish Tony Blair would adopt the same policy in this country.
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finally
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If people want to live on some bogus laws based on a religious script rather than the laws of land, then they should be kicked out period.
Some will argue that this infringes upon their rights, but actually their faith based laws are infringing upon the rights of the people that follow the laws of the land.
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We have a huge 'skilled labour' shortage here in Australia and that story dosnt really represent our current immigration policies.
France banned the birka...thats affirmative action
Don't think France banned it... it's just that religious dress was banned from schools. Catholic symbols like wearing the cross, jewish yarmulkes, along with the hajib are verbotten, but that's about it. I think it's the Netherlands that's proposing the ban, and some small town in Belgium already has.
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My guess is that the ban in Belgium may effect public buildings.
Also, nobody would be allowed to work a public office with any religious attire.
That would be a guess.
Just as you have to be bi-lingual to work public office in Canada. ;D
YIP
Zack
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Don't insult our intelligence.
You obviously don't know Islam.
Good thing that there are others on this board that do.
really..i dont know islam lol..i grew up in a muslim family...parents followed the koran and it came no where close to the sharia idiots
and psst..i have read the koran....
Hedgie..you should stick to suckling shawn cock..u r good at that :)
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really..i dont know islam lol..i grew up in a muslim family...parents followed the koran and it came no where close to the sharia idiots
Don't argue with these guys, after all they get most of their knowledge from some anti-muslim website that points out the Koran's flaws. Remember that what we've been taught is slightly different from the literal definition, which is what Nodick Superman floods the General Topics forum with.
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Don't argue with these guys, after all they get most of their knowledge from some anti-muslim website that points out the Koran's flaws. Remember that what we've been taught is slightly different from the literal definition, which is what Nodick Superman floods the General Topics forum with.
this is what nord does..
the koran says
1) allow peace ..
2) dont force religion on anyone
3) if someone attacks you use diplomacy
4) forgive
5) if the continue attacking you wage jihad on them ...
Nord takes 5 out of context and elaborates on it...
meh..
doesn't the bible say..."who he is without sin cast the first stone" or something like that
i can take it out of context and say the bible teaches self righteousness and if people r not self righteous you should stone em to death...
blah blah...if i actually took more than a passing interest in his crap posts i'd tear him a new one with rebuttals...but..i'm not that enamoured..so meh
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I think John Howard - the aussie leader - would be shocked how few white australians actually believe in a christian god.
Many attend church for the acceptance/credibility factor though...
Overall the statement is a good one... there are many clerics in sydney especially jostling for a following and as a result getting out of hand with what they are preaching.
I once judged a muslim guy down in a contest - he was too fat to win - and nearly got beat up by his friends in the parking lot... attitudes need to change.
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Don't argue with these guys, after all they get most of their knowledge from some anti-muslim website that points out the Koran's flaws. Remember that what we've been taught is slightly different from the literal definition, which is what Nodick Superman floods the General Topics forum with.
CJ, Toxie claims his family followed the Quran.
Following the Quran means following it literally.
Because, as both you and I know, the Quran is written by Allah through his profet Muhammad (PBUH). Every word in the Quran is the actual word, the actual instruction of Allah.
Toxie claims his family followed the Quran.
Either he doesn't know jack shit about Islam.
Or he's lying his ass off.
Which is it?
I don't claim to be a Islamologist. But I know enough about Islam to discard the lies of Toxie.
You should too.
A few excerpts from the Quran about man and woman relations:
"Righteous women are therefore obedient, ... And those you fear may be rebellious (nushuz) admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them."[55]
"And it is for the women to act as they (the husbands) act by them, in all fairness; but the men are a step above them."[7] (Q. 2:228)
"If you fear you can not treat orphans (girls) with fairness, then you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three or four of them. But if you fear that you can not maintain equality among them, marry only one or any slave girls you may own. This will make it easier for you to avoid injustice."[72]
From Hadiths, added writings of Muhammad (PBUH), that makes up Shariah along with Quran:
"The messenger of Allah said: Whenever a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses, and then he passes the night in an angry mood, the angels curse her till she gets up at dawn."[39]
There are lots of other examples on Quran and Hadith laws that are just sick.
And no. They are not open for "interpretation".
Quran was written by Allah. And Allah told us that Muhammad (PBUH) was righteous, his words were true.
Anyone with the basic knowledge in Islam will tell you this.
I cannot believe why you feel Toxie have any credibility regarding Islam?
After all, he claims that:
"Sharia law is not Islamic".
YIP
Zack
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really..i dont know islam lol..i grew up in a muslim family...parents followed the koran and it came no where close to the sharia idiots
and psst..i have read the koran....
Hedgie..you should stick to suckling shawn cock..u r good at that :)
WTF are you on about?
I've never even met Shawn Ray?
YIP
Zack
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Well, you can't expect a honest responce from Camel Rapist because he has previously stated he protects islam due to his ethnic ties.
Toxic:
Did muhammad molest a 9 year old girl?
Was he a militant?
Did he kill, and order the deaths of many, many humans?
Did he keep slaves?
Was he a pologymist?
Did he congratulate a man for killing his pregnant wife for cursing muhammad?
Do you actually know anything about islam? Other than being from the part of the world where the devil spoke to muhammad?
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Hedge, I respect the way you go about things. You hold people accountable without a trace of bias or prejudice in your posts, and I really respect that.
What I was telling Toxic is that what he grew up with might not be Islam in it's truest and most literal form. Just because someone claimed that they're family was strictly muslim doesn't mean they actually were, otherwise Toxy wouldn't disagree on sharia law.
Let's face it, people take from a religion what they like and don't like. Maybe that's how Toxic's family is? For example, are most of the non-married christians on this forum virgins?
My family is sorta like that, they would all claim to be strict muslims, yet some of my female cousins go around in skirts and tank tops and they would disagree with you on Islam. This is partly because 1) They don't know the true nature of the religion and haven't even looked at the Koran 2) They feel an attachment to it and can't let go. You see what's happening here? How many of the 1 billion plus people are actually text book nutjob muslims? There are quite a few, enough to threaten the world. However there are just some moderates and many who don't really follow the stuff, yet they would call themselves muslim. You see what I'm saying?
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Well, you can't expect a honest responce from Camel Rapist because he has previously stated he protects islam due to his ethnic ties.
Toxic:
Did muhammad molest a 9 year old girl?
Was he a militant?
Did he kill, and order the deaths of many, many humans?
Did he keep slaves?
Was he a pologymist?
Did he congratulate a man for killing his pregnant wife for cursing muhammad?
Do you actually know anything about islam? Other than being from the part of the world where the devil spoke to muhammad?
The question on whether or not he molested Aisha is still something that's up for debate, what is known, is that he married her when she was 9 years old. How old she was when he first fcuked her, is still discussed. But lets give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Lets say he married Aisha at 9, and waited until she was no longer a kid, then fcuked her.
I would definitely say that Muhammad (PBUH) was a successful warlord, much in the way of Genghis Khan, Napoleon and my own Gustav II Adolf (The Lion from the North).
Killings? Yes.
Slaves? Yes.
Polygamist? Yes.
Congratulating? Yes.
The devil didn't spoke to Muhammad (PBUH). Allah did.
Or at least, so the Muslims think.
Christian faith isn't going to describe Allah as a devil. But rather, Muhammad (PBUH) as a big bluff, and non-ecumenical factor.
YIP
Zack
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Brother, Zacharius...
From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
"Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""
Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
"Narrated Urwa: "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""
Bukhari vol. 5, #234 says:
"Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."
If muslims dispute this evidence: married Aisha at 6, consummated the marriage at 9 - then the hadiths should be destroyed and declared false.
You cannot pick and chose which portions of the koran and hadiths are truthful, as soon as any muslim starts doing this they have lost.
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Hedge, I respect the way you go about things. You hold people accountable without a trace of bias or prejudice in your posts, and I really respect that.
What I was telling Toxic is that what he grew up with might not be Islam in it's truest and most literal form. Just because someone claimed that they're family was strictly muslim doesn't mean they actually were, otherwise Toxy wouldn't disagree on sharia law.
Let's face it, people take from a religion what they like and don't like. Maybe that's how Toxic's family is? For example, are most of the non-married christians on this forum virgins?
My family is sorta like that, they would all claim to be strict muslims, yet some of my female cousins go around in skirts and tank tops and they would disagree with you on Islam. This is partly because 1) They don't know the true nature of the religion and haven't even looked at the Koran 2) They feel an attachment to it and can't let go. You see what's happening here? How many of the 1 billion plus people are actually text book nutjob muslims? There are quite a few, enough to threaten the world. However there are just some moderates and many who don't really follow the stuff, yet they would call themselves muslim. You see what I'm saying?
Sure I do.
This is identical to a lot of Christians. But in their case, sometimes, for some reason, it's the other way? :-\
Trying to hold a Christian Conservative accountable to something like "turning the other cheek"?
Good luck with that mate. ::)
Except with homosexuality and a few other clear cut cases. Christianity definitely speaks out against homosexuality, no acceptance there. If you feel gaying around is A-Okay, then how could you call yourself Christian?
You can't have both.
If the religion has boundaries that you cannot possibly accept, why then, acknowledge the religion?
Be your own person I say (obviously, this is not directed to you ;D).
YIP
Zack
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There IS a discrepancy in the ahadith regarding the issue, and it surely doesn't come as a surpise because....
wait.. Nordic, do you know the difference between a hadtih and the Quran? (without the help of wikipedia or whatever crazy websites u go to)
Here's a good explanation by Johnny (I couldnt come up with anything better), which somehow u managed to skip through:
The age Aisha's was married is a big controversy in Islam. The texts seem to contract themselves in the age she was married. Some imply 9 and others imply much much later.
For instance her supposed age was written down during a time when there was a big upheaval in Islam and the predecessor was Mohammed was unknown. The could of lied about her age and made her seem younger so she couldn't be considered a descendent of Mohammeds cousin ibn Abi and thus the predecessor of prophet of Islam. They didn't want a female prophet.
She was said to of joined Mohammed in the Battle of Badr. No one below 15 was allowed to join in raids. The raid was in 624 AD and she would of had to of been above 15, Meaning she had to of been atleast 13 during the marriage.
In the Sirat Rashul Allah it records Aisha converting to Islam around 610 AD. Meaning she would of had to of been able to atleast talk and walk to convert, meaning at minimum she would of been atleast 15 at 622 AD.
That is the best defense that can be given for that marriage.
Other less credible defenses might be..
1.Mohammed probably didn't have sex with her until she was much older. Or possibly never.
2.During the time of Mohammed many young girls were married at young ages all around the world including Britain where young girls were often married as young as 8 or 9.
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2.During the time of Mohammed many young girls were married at young ages all around the world including Britain where young girls were often married as young as 8 or 9.
;D
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Haider, so, there are discrepancies in the hadiths? So YOU as a muslim get to pick her age? So i'm unable to critisize and say she was 9, which the strongest evidences suggests?
2.During the time of Mohammed many young girls were married at young ages all around the world including Britain where young girls were often married as young as 8 or 9.
Ahh, so muhammad is comparable to the barbarians which were running around in britain in those ages? Hahaha great, confirmation from both haider and Camel Rapist that muhammad was a murdering warlord!
My work here is done!
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Haider, so, there are discrepancies in the hadiths? So YOU as a muslim get to pick her age? So i'm unable to critisize and say she was 9, which the strongest evidences suggests?
Ahh, so muhammad is comparable to the barbarians which were running around in britain in those ages? Hahaha great, confirmation from both haider and Camel Rapist that muhammad was a murdering warlord!
My work here is done!
oh brother. Manni you son of a bitch. You're probably a muslim yourself. No way anyone could make arguments that ridiculous.
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Ahh, so muhammad is comparable to the barbarians which were running around in britain in those ages? Hahaha great, confirmation from both haider and Camel Rapist that muhammad was a murdering warlord!
My work here is done!
Your ancestors.
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You're probably a muslim yourself.
Yeah I probably am, with a probability of 1/98954959843984359640530958956950569065054096509 :-*
Your ancestors.
Well my parents actually came from Norway 1 generation ago, but the brits are of the same blood, so yeah sure, whatever you say!
But please remember didn't we own India/Pakistan in the not so distant past? ??? :-*
Now haven't you got some koran studies to goto brother? :-X
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Ahh, so muhammad is comparable to the barbarians which were running around in britain in those ages? Hahaha great, confirmation from both haider and Camel Rapist that muhammad was a murdering warlord!
My work here is done!
This argument is coming from one of your own, an Atheist. Remember that you and CJ are both Atheists.
Of course Muhammads actions are explainable if you view him as a mere mortal, as a regular bloke, an efficient emperor.
Then the culture of his era is an explanation for his behaviour IMO.
If however, we view him as a prophet, there are no explanations for his behaviors. Allah laid it all out for him.
YIP
Zack
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Yeah I probably am, with a probability of 1/98954959843984359640530958956950569065054096509 :-*
Well my parents actually came from Norway 1 generation ago, but the brits are of the same blood, so yeah sure, whatever you say!
But please remember didn't we own India/Pakistan in the not so distant past? ??? :-*
Now haven't you got some koran studies to goto brother? :-X
So you're of savage viking ancestory? When the brits were "owning" us your ancestors were in some hut in some scandinavian village eating shit.
If by own you mean kissing the asses of the Noble population of the Indian sub-continent then I guess you did. You raked in so much money from the subcontinent's resources and the unfair treaties with China, but now times are changing and England isn't so great anymore. :P
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So you're of savage viking ancestory? When the brits were "owning" us your ancestors were in some hut in some scandinavian village eating shit.
If by own you mean kissing the asses of the Noble population of the Indian sub-continent then I guess you did. You raked in so much money from the subcontinent's resources and the unfair treaties with China, but now times are changing and England isn't so great anymore. :P
Someone sounds bitter ;D
Your ancestors got PIMPED!
(http://www.information-britain.co.uk/images/britflag.jpg)
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Haider, so, there are discrepancies in the hadiths? ?
I've mentioned this before. And you didnt answer my question. Whats the difference between the ahaditha nd the Quran?
So YOU as a muslim get to pick her age? So i'm unable to critisize and say she was 9, which the strongest evidences suggests
what the hell are you talking about?
Explain why you insist that she was a 9 yr old.
Show us all, in light of the counter evidence presented, why you still believe Aisha is 9 yrs old.
Only good at bitching and presenting bits and peices (copy pastes) as "evidence". Very sad.
Ahh, so muhammad is comparable to the barbarians which were running around in britain in those ages? Hahaha great, confirmation from both haider and Camel Rapist that muhammad was a murdering warlord!
You're twisting the argument (which I did not make). Funny how you picked out and attacked us using the weakest argument out of the whole quote.
My work here is done!
Please f*** off ;D
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Someone sounds bitter ;D
Your ancestors got PIMPED!
We are taking our revenge by shitting all over your country! And you're bitter over that. ;D
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I've mentioned this before. And you didnt answer my question. Whats the difference between the ahaditha nd the Quran?
what the hell are you talking about?
Explain why you insist that she was a 9 yr old.
Show us all, in light of the counter evidence presented, why you still believe Aisha is 9 yrs old.
Only good at bitching and presenting bits and peices (copy pastes) as "evidence". Very sad.
You're twisting the argument (which I did not make). Funny how you picked out and attacked us using the weakest argument out of the whole quote.
Please f*** off ;D
Sure I know the differences, the devil created the koran directly via muhammad. The hadiths written after his death by non-divine sources.
So you accept everything in the hadiths is false right? Like I said, every arguement you have ever made on getbig in defence of islam is null and void if you think it's acceptable to pick and chose which portions of the hadiths are factual in order to give strength to your arguements.
Which brings me to the quotes from the hadiths clearly showing she was 9. Read them yourself, in arabic or english if you like.
You were using the arguement in your arguement... of course I will call you up on it... again trying to pick and chose... fucking idiot.
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Whatever... back to today's world and burkas for a minute.
My guess is that the ban in Belgium may effect public buildings.
Also, nobody would be allowed to work a public office with any religious attire.
That would be a guess.
Just as you have to be bi-lingual to work public office in Canada. ;D
YIP
Zack
The rationale behind the ban on the burka in the small Belgian town was exactly that. Security in public places. People are supposed to be recognizable. (Also, the burkas were frightening young children in the public square). I think it will be interesting to see what happens in the Netherlands, and the UK for that matter, since the ban is proposed there too, in the next while.
Hedge I see you're up on the Canadian socio/political scene. So you know how bilingualism has created such a harmonious, homogenous existence, drawing everyone together. :)
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We are taking our revenge by shitting all over your country! And you're bitter over that. ;D
The muzzies will provide me with some game when hunting in the green fields of England once I become the führer! :-*
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The muzzies will provide me with some game when hunting in the green fields of England once I become the führer! :-*
You wont be ruler of anything except for some group that only admits homosexuals and meets for gay sex 4 days a week.
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The muzzies will provide me with some game when hunting in the green fields of England once I become the führer! :-*
Upon your dapple-grey steed...lance in hand...so many enemies to crush, so many sonnets to compose for the lady who awaits you... too bad you ruined the image with führer reference. :-\
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Upon your dapple-grey steed...lance in hand...so many enemies to crush, so many sonnets to compose for the lady who awaits you... too bad you ruined the image with führer reference. :-\
führer actually means leader in germany, I didn't mean for it to come across Hitler-esque. :-\
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führer actually means leader in germany, I didn't mean for it to come across Hitler-esque. :-\
Hello, I'm of German extraction. I know more than you, what it means.
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Sure I know the differences, the devil created the koran directly via muhammad. The hadiths written after his death by non-divine sources.
Good job retard. An atheist who believes in the devil. Great.
So you accept everything in the hadiths is false right? Like I said, every arguement you have ever made on getbig in defence of islam is null and void if you think it's acceptable to pick and chose which portions of the hadiths are factual in order to give strength to your arguements.
You're fucking smoking something. Like seriously, this is useless. We have went over this many times.
No one is picking and choosing. HOWEVER, because ahadith are merely narrations and the word of mouth, discrepancies are bound to occur. This is clearly shown by the conflicting ahadtih and facts mentioned. You, however, being the idiot that you are acting, insist, beyond a spec of doubt that she was 9 yrs old. The ahadith tell a diffrent story.
So you tell me, who is picking and choosing?
You were using the arguement in your arguement... of course I will call you up on it... again trying to pick and chose... fucking idiot.
no, I merely quoted him. The fact remains that you only picked the weakest of the arguments (which btw the author indicated WAS a weak argument), leaving the better part of the argument completely untouched.
did you mention "picking and choosing? ???
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Hedge I see you're up on the Canadian socio/political scene. So you know how bilingualism has created such a harmonious, homogenous existence, drawing everyone together. :)
Well, I try.
It's a big world though. :P
I slightly followed the discussion regarding the Sharia law and Ontario rejecting it.
Important victory for the feminist and secular movement, from what I understand. Hopefully it can build on that momentum.
YIP
Zack
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Well, I try.
It's a big world though. :P
I slightly followed the discussion regarding the Sharia law and Ontario rejecting it.
Important victory for the feminist and secular movement, from what I understand. Hopefully it can build on that momentum.
YIP
Zack
Didn't mean to put you on the spot. The Sharia law thing was probably never really in question. I meant it more in terms of, the rest of Canada appeased and appeased Quebec, and no one has ever really been happy. Cultures always clash.
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I don't anti any Muslims in fact I do have Islamic friends.. but for them to think they could press on their religious laws on any land is so damn wrong.
Islamic teachings are almost similar to the Bible in terms of love, etc etc.. but the difference between those two is Christianity offers love and peace regardless of situation while Islam would encourage you to eliminate the infidels of Islam.
I read a book called Jesus and/VS Mohammad.. It clearly depict the difference of both "prophets" (Jesus is the Son of God of course but I was prophet as for fairness)
- Jesus heals and forgive all beings (even Romans) while Mohammed fights.
- Jesus won over the land by his love and teachings while Mohammed won over lands via violence and war.
- Jesus is a virgin while Mohammad had 13 wives in 10 years.
- Jesus died after being accused for spreading "false religion" by the Romans while Mohammad was poisoned by his own people who hated him.
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We have a huge 'skilled labour' shortage here in Australia and that story dosnt really represent our current immigration policies.
France banned the birka...thats affirmative action
If that's the case why is it so hard to get into Australia? from this country at least anyway >:(
They should start up the '10 pound pom' scheme again. I'd be at the front of the fucking queue waving my tenner in the air, I tell thee
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If that's the case why is it so hard to get into Australia? from this country at least anyway >:(
They should start up the '10 pound pom' scheme again. I'd be at the front of the fucking queue waving my tenner in the air, I tell thee
what skills do you have?
labour companies have been going to asian for things like welders etc but they pay them stuff all...
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Well, you can't expect a honest responce from Camel Rapist because he has previously stated he protects islam due to his ethnic ties.
Toxic:
Did muhammad molest a 9 year old girl?
Was he a militant?
Did he kill, and order the deaths of many, many humans?
Did he keep slaves?
Was he a pologymist?
Did he congratulate a man for killing his pregnant wife for cursing muhammad?
Do you actually know anything about islam? Other than being from the part of the world where the devil spoke to muhammad?
no no no no no and blah...yeesh...the girl u speak of keeps getting younger in age...
do i know anytbhing about islam...well acording 2 you..i'm a muslim right..lol...
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CJ, Toxie claims his family followed the Quran.
Following the Quran means following it literally.
Because, as both you and I know, the Quran is written by Allah through his profet Muhammad (PBUH). Every word in the Quran is the actual word, the actual instruction of Allah.
Toxie claims his family followed the Quran.
Either he doesn't know jack shit about Islam.
Or he's lying his ass off.
Which is it?
I don't claim to be a Islamologist. But I know enough about Islam to discard the lies of Toxie.
You should too.
A few excerpts from the Quran about man and woman relations:
"Righteous women are therefore obedient, ... And those you fear may be rebellious (nushuz) admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them."[55]
"And it is for the women to act as they (the husbands) act by them, in all fairness; but the men are a step above them."[7] (Q. 2:228)
"If you fear you can not treat orphans (girls) with fairness, then you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three or four of them. But if you fear that you can not maintain equality among them, marry only one or any slave girls you may own. This will make it easier for you to avoid injustice."[72]
From Hadiths, added writings of Muhammad (PBUH), that makes up Shariah along with Quran:
"The messenger of Allah said: Whenever a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses, and then he passes the night in an angry mood, the angels curse her till she gets up at dawn."[39]
There are lots of other examples on Quran and Hadith laws that are just sick.
And no. They are not open for "interpretation".
Quran was written by Allah. And Allah told us that Muhammad (PBUH) was righteous, his words were true.
Anyone with the basic knowledge in Islam will tell you this.
I cannot believe why you feel Toxie have any credibility regarding Islam?
After all, he claims that:
"Sharia law is not Islamic".
YIP
Zack
sigh..hedg...do christians follow the bible EXACTLY in liteal terms...
i'm gonna go to bed...
consider historical prespective and social mores at the time..
and please grow an iq
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no no no no no and blah...yeesh...the girl u speak of keeps getting younger in age...
do i know anytbhing about islam...well acording 2 you..i'm a muslim right..lol...
Muhammad wasn't any of those things?
Wow, most stupid Getbigger ever...
Oh, Diesel my uncle went across for a £10 back in the day, jammy cunt!
It's still pretty easy for the british to move to australia tho mate! Especially if you have family over there like me :D