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Muslims "get out of Australia"
« on: October 16, 2006, 05:25:28 PM »
God, if only our politicians would grow some balls and just say it like this.


Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on
Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted
radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister
John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists
would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted
that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if
they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws
were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want
a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia
is not for you", he said on national television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he
said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to
the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told
reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values
should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be
Australians, and who don't want ! to live by Australian values and
understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility
that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a
better life by coming to Australia."

"However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand."
"This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served
only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles,
trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought
freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to
become part of our society, Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right
wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women,
on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls
of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider
another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of
our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask
is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment
with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go",
then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this
planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change,
and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By
all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done
complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take
advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO
LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come
here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted"

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2006, 05:56:18 PM »
We have a huge 'skilled labour' shortage here in Australia and that story dosnt really represent our current immigration policies.

France banned the birka...thats affirmative action

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2006, 06:00:13 PM »
Nothing against any Muslim's but they should realize the pent up anger felt by many non Muslim's in the USA, Canada, Europe, Australia etc... This anger has been brought on by the extremists. Its unfortunate but Muslim's who love their adopted countries may someday not be wanted in these countries. They may well face a severe backlash by doing nothing to help stop extremism.
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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2006, 07:32:38 PM »
Sharia law...man someone please read the fucking koran already.....just 1 white dood..please facking read the translation..

Sharia law is NOT islamic and anyone actually following that crap is an uber douche..
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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2006, 07:42:24 PM »
Sharia law...man someone please read the fucking koran already.....just 1 white dood..please facking read the translation..

Sharia law is NOT islamic and anyone actually following that crap is an uber douche..

Don't insult our intelligence.

You obviously don't know Islam.

Good thing that there are others on this board that do.

I don't claim to be a specialist, but at least I know that sharia consists of the Quran and the Sunnas.

Your stupidity obviously knows no boundaries.

And you claim to be intelligent... Wow.

I-ones "animal or mammal"  or jags Bush/Hitler post isn't even close to this level of stupidity.

How do you mean that sharia law ISN'T Islamic?

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2006, 07:47:08 PM »
Toxic thinks the moon landings were fake and that the World Trade Center was brought down by a "controlled demolition". I would say that his credibility is less than stellar.
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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2006, 08:59:52 PM »
it would be nice if certain european countries, hell the US too, would start thinking this way.

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2006, 10:07:48 PM »
The Rothschilds created fundamentalist Islam!
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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2006, 12:45:32 AM »
Sharia law...man someone please read the fucking koran already.....just 1 white dood..please facking read the translation..

Sharia law is NOT islamic and anyone actually following that crap is an uber douche..

Forgot to add this question:

What have you read of the Quran, Toxie?

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2006, 02:32:28 AM »
God, if only our politicians would grow some balls and just say it like this.


Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on
Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted
radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister
John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists
would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted
that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if
they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws
were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want
a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia
is not for you", he said on national television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he
said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to
the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told
reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values
should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be
Australians, and who don't want ! to live by Australian values and
understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility
that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a
better life by coming to Australia."

"However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand."
"This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served
only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles,
trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought
freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to
become part of our society, Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right
wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women,
on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls
of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider
another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of
our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask
is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment
with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go",
then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this
planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change,
and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By
all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done
complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take
advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO
LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come
here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted"

Beautiful  8)
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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2006, 02:51:36 AM »
That was indeed beautiful!

With the current crop of politicians in the EU nothing like this will ever be said until it civil war breaks out.
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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2006, 04:15:01 AM »
AAhh,the joys of living in a tiny island that no one cares about means we can do all sorts of politically incorrect things and get away with it :D

We have stupefying immigration rules, which are only good for temporary immigration anyway. No single parents, must pass an AIDS test, must have post secondary education etc

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2006, 04:48:38 AM »
Good point of view by the Australians there - I only wish Tony Blair would adopt the same policy in this country.

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2006, 08:53:51 AM »
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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2006, 09:46:36 AM »
If people want to live on some bogus laws based on a religious script rather than the laws of land, then they should be kicked out period.

Some will argue that this infringes upon their rights, but actually their faith based laws are infringing upon the rights of the people that follow the laws of the land.

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2006, 09:53:07 AM »
We have a huge 'skilled labour' shortage here in Australia and that story dosnt really represent our current immigration policies.

France banned the birka...thats affirmative action

Don't think France banned it... it's just that religious dress was banned from schools.  Catholic symbols like wearing the cross, jewish yarmulkes, along with the hajib are verbotten, but that's about it. I think it's the Netherlands that's proposing the ban, and some small town in Belgium already has.

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2006, 12:04:35 PM »
My guess is that the ban in Belgium may effect public buildings.

Also, nobody would be allowed to work a public office with any religious attire.

That would be a guess.

Just as you have to be bi-lingual to work public office in Canada. ;D

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2006, 01:25:18 PM »
Don't insult our intelligence.

You obviously don't know Islam.

Good thing that there are others on this board that do.



really..i dont know islam lol..i grew up in a muslim family...parents followed the koran and it came no where close to the sharia idiots
and psst..i have read the koran....


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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2006, 01:28:44 PM »
really..i dont know islam lol..i grew up in a muslim family...parents followed the koran and it came no where close to the sharia idiots

Don't argue with these guys, after all they get most of their knowledge from some anti-muslim website that points out the Koran's flaws. Remember that what we've been taught is slightly different from the literal definition, which is what Nodick Superman floods the General Topics forum with.

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2006, 01:35:59 PM »
Don't argue with these guys, after all they get most of their knowledge from some anti-muslim website that points out the Koran's flaws. Remember that what we've been taught is slightly different from the literal definition, which is what Nodick Superman floods the General Topics forum with.

this is what nord does..


the koran says

1) allow peace ..
2) dont force religion on anyone
3) if someone attacks you use diplomacy
4) forgive
5) if the continue attacking you wage jihad on them ...


Nord takes 5 out of context and elaborates on it...

meh..


doesn't the bible say..."who he is without sin cast the first stone" or something like that


i can take it out of context and say the bible teaches self righteousness and if people r not self righteous you should stone em to death...

blah blah...if i actually took more than a passing interest in his crap posts i'd tear him a new one with rebuttals...but..i'm not that enamoured..so meh
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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2006, 02:29:12 PM »
I think John Howard - the aussie leader - would be shocked how few white australians actually believe in a christian god.

Many attend church for the acceptance/credibility factor though...

Overall the statement is a good one... there are many clerics in sydney especially jostling for a following and as a result getting out of hand with what they are preaching.

I once judged a muslim guy down in a contest - he was too fat to win - and nearly got beat up by his friends in the parking lot... attitudes need to change.

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2006, 02:30:25 PM »
Don't argue with these guys, after all they get most of their knowledge from some anti-muslim website that points out the Koran's flaws. Remember that what we've been taught is slightly different from the literal definition, which is what Nodick Superman floods the General Topics forum with.

CJ, Toxie claims his family followed the Quran.

Following the Quran means following it literally.

Because, as both you and I know, the Quran is written by Allah through his profet Muhammad (PBUH). Every word in the Quran is the actual word, the actual instruction of Allah.

Toxie claims his family followed the Quran.

Either he doesn't know jack shit about Islam.

Or he's lying his ass off.

Which is it?

I don't claim to be a Islamologist. But I know enough about Islam to discard the lies of Toxie.

You should too.

A few excerpts from the Quran about man and woman relations:

"Righteous women are therefore obedient, ... And those you fear may be rebellious (nushuz) admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them."[55]

"And it is for the women to act as they (the husbands) act by them, in all fairness; but the men are a step above them."[7] (Q. 2:228)

"If you fear you can not treat orphans (girls) with fairness, then you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three or four of them. But if you fear that you can not maintain equality among them, marry only one or any slave girls you may own. This will make it easier for you to avoid injustice."[72]

From Hadiths, added writings of Muhammad (PBUH), that makes up Shariah along with Quran:

"The messenger of Allah said: Whenever a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses, and then he passes the night in an angry mood, the angels curse her till she gets up at dawn."[39]


There are lots of other examples on Quran and Hadith laws that are just sick.

And no. They are not open for "interpretation".

Quran was written by Allah. And Allah told us that Muhammad (PBUH) was righteous, his words were true.

Anyone with the basic knowledge in Islam will tell you this.

I cannot believe why you feel Toxie have any credibility regarding Islam?

After all, he claims that:

"Sharia law is not Islamic".

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2006, 02:32:40 PM »
really..i dont know islam lol..i grew up in a muslim family...parents followed the koran and it came no where close to the sharia idiots
and psst..i have read the koran....


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WTF are you on about?

I've never even met Shawn Ray?

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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2006, 02:35:18 PM »
Well, you can't expect a honest responce from Camel Rapist because he has previously stated he protects islam due to his ethnic ties.

Toxic:
Did muhammad molest a 9 year old girl?
Was he a militant?
Did he kill, and order the deaths of many, many humans?
Did he keep slaves?
Was he a pologymist?
Did he congratulate a man for killing his pregnant wife for cursing muhammad?
Do you actually know anything about islam? Other than being from the part of the world where the devil spoke to muhammad?
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Re: Muslims "get out of Australia"
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2006, 02:45:57 PM »
Hedge, I respect the way you go about things. You hold people accountable without a trace of bias or prejudice in your posts, and I really respect that.

What I was telling Toxic is that what he grew up with might not be Islam in it's truest and most literal form. Just because someone claimed that they're family was strictly muslim doesn't mean they actually were, otherwise Toxy wouldn't disagree on sharia law.
Let's face it, people take from a religion what they like and don't like. Maybe that's how Toxic's family is? For example, are most of the non-married christians on this forum virgins?
My family is sorta like that, they would all claim to be strict muslims, yet some of my female cousins go around in skirts and tank tops and they would disagree with you on Islam. This is partly because 1) They don't know the true nature of the religion and haven't even looked at the Koran 2) They feel an attachment to it and can't let go. You see what's happening here? How many of the 1 billion plus people are actually text book nutjob muslims? There are quite a few, enough to threaten the world. However there are just some moderates and many who don't really follow the stuff, yet they would call themselves muslim. You see what I'm saying?