(CBS/ AP) President Barack Obama made a midnight dash to this air base Wednesday to honor the return of fallen soldiers, absorbing the ultimate cost of war as the United States endures its deadliest month of the Afghanistan campaign.
On a clear fall night, Mr. Obama flew by Marine One helicopter to Dover Air Force Base to greet the flag-draped cases of 18 Americans killed in action this week.
After landing, the president, wearing a dark topcoat, got into a motorcade to a base chapel, where he met privately with families of the fallen Americans. He had arrived on the base at 12:34 a.m. Thursday and returned to the White House before dawn.
Mr. Obama was taking part in a solemn process, to unfold in four movements: the transfer of the fallen 15 soldiers and three Drug Enforcement Agency agents from the back of the C-17 to a transport vehicle to a base mortuary.
As part of the official party, Mr. Obama was to go on the plane, each time witnessing silently as a chaplain said a prayer for the fallen, the family, the country and the war effort.
A president of two inherited wars, Mr. Obama is winding down U.S. involvement in Iraq, but the troubled war in Afghanistan is only widening. His dramatic visit to witness remains of the fallen comes as he weighs whether to send more troops into the Afghan war zone.
Mr. Obama meets tomorrow with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and other military leaders as he weighs whether to send more troops into the war zone, reports CBS News senior White House correspondent Bill Plante.
The White House kept Mr. Obama's plans off his schedule, informing a small group of traveling reporters in advance on condition of secrecy.
The Pentagon this year lifted its 18-year ban on media covering the return of U.S. service members killed in action if family permission is provided. With Mr. Obama in attendance, the media were to witness the transfer of one fallen soldier: Sgt. Dale R. Griffin of Terre Haute, Ind.
The flag-draped remains of Griffin were to be carried off the plane by six Army soldiers in fatigues and black berets. The transfer case then was being placed in a vehicle to be taken to the mortuary facility on the base.
The rest of the solemn morning was kept out of sight of the press on family wishes.
The Dover base, about 100 miles from the White House, is the entry point for service personnel killed overseas.
Mr. Obama's predecessor, President George W. Bush, visited the families of hundreds of fallen soldiers but did not attend any military funerals or go to Dover to receive the coffins.
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President Obama shows Class and Respect for the fallen where Chickenhawk Bush could not !!
"Rogue" describes Palin perfectly !!
$arah the Cu*t, deserves a GetBig *Bump*!
This.
The term is used seamlessly with Republican/Conservative when it's not the case. But, it's to be expected from someone whose depth and understanding of these situations is surface level at best.
Politics aside, Mons does nothing but troll, and the mods should do something about it.
^^^^You're wrong EVERYTIME and it feels sooooooooooooooooooo good! :-*
Venus admits he's fully of shit and never served and then hoped more of our service men die in IED attacks...when u agree with Mons..u agree with that as well. Mons is a piece of shit wannbe ex soldier.
I want him to post his shit so some of the guys on the major milblogs can verify he's full of shit and go after him on criminal charges..like they have a bunch of times before.
Mons is a piece of shit.wannbe ex soldier.
Nopoe all DOUCHEBAGS like u. Die in a fire shitbag.
Nopoe all DOUCHEBAGS like u. Die in a fire shitbag.
If I said I hope YOU and your FRIENDS die fighting George W Bush's illegal War....how would you feel?
Nopoe all DOUCHEBAGS like u.
Die in a fire shitbag.
Nopoe all DOUCHEBAGS like u. Die in a fire shitbag.
Hey 33333333's,,,,, THIS is your buddy?
Die in a fire shitbag.
^^^^^
My Buddy HH6 defends this country. You mock it and make a joke of it. You wish for our soldiers to be killed via IED attack.^^^^^^
Die in a fire shitbag.
Just telling you what I've experienced.
The only thing you have experienced are overdoses of meth, coke, X, heroin, and alcohol.
There are plenty of examples on this board of why law abiding muslims might be worried
Nopoe all DOUCHEBAGS like u. Die in a fire shitbag.
Mons, why don't you just apologize for what you said? You know you don't have to be mortal enemies with the people here to oppose them politically. HH6 is actually a good fella. I disagree with 3333 on how he posts his opinions but other than that he seems like a good fella too. There are a lot of Vets and active military posting here. Even if you were joking or whatever, it wasn't cool to say what you said. It might not be a bad idea to recognize what you said was fucked up and apologize. But that's up to you.
Thats all he has to do Hugo.Mons, what do you say? Not trying to force you because it doesn't mean anything unless you mean it so it's your call?
Oh and he needs to come clean on the "vet" thing as well.Ok, Mons, I understand if you don't want to share that info online. Perhaps it can be sent to me via pm and I can confirm for HH? That is if that would be satisfactory to you both? There are several people here that can testify to my honesty. I will not give out information shared via pm so anything on your DD 214 sent will only be confirmed and not shared. HH if you have any stipulations for this, express them now, such as the pic of the 214 being taken with a sticky saying "this is mons" or whatever... I don't know if this will fly but I'm happy to act as a middleman to settle this dispute and everyone has my word that I'll be an honest and removed mediary.
Ok, Mons, I understand if you don't want to share that info online. Perhaps it can be sent to me via pm and I can confirm for HH? That is if that would be satisfactory to you both? There are several people here that can testify to my honesty. I will not give out information shared via pm so anything on your DD 214 sent will only be confirmed and not shared. HH if you have any stipulations for this, express them now, such as the pic of the 214 being taken with a sticky saying "this is mons" or whatever... I don't know if this will fly but I'm happy to act as a middleman to settle this dispute and everyone has my word that I'll be an honest and removed mediary.
Why are you guys wasting time on this tard?
Fagboy Mons commented on the Happy Birthday Marine Corps thread on the G&O...."Baby killers...." How is this guy not in TO or banned? Sad.
Fagboy Mons commented on the Happy Birthday Marine Corps thread on the G&O...."Baby killers...." How is this guy not in TO or banned? Sad.
U.S. soldier Steven Green has been charged with murder and rape, allegedly committed while serving in Iraq. Green is accused of raping a 15-year-old girl and then shooting and killing her. He is also charged with murdering her mother, father, and 5-year-old sister. At least three other soldiers may be involved.
U.S. soldier Steven Green has been charged with murder and rape, allegedly committed while serving in Iraq. Green is accused of raping a 15-year-old girl and then shooting and killing her. He is also charged with murdering her mother, father, and 5-year-old sister. At least three other soldiers may be involved.
What does that have to do with the whole marine corps you nasty POFS?
BTW - you backed down from the challenge you gave to me.
Care to man up bitch?
Thank you solider.....for the truth!
Keep it up shitbag.
Interesting. I guess all Americans are baby killers then.
Bump.
Bezerk, people can say whatever they want to me, I give it and get it, its all good.
However, when someone says shit like mons did, and refuses to take it back, then I dont back down, ever.
The guy is a lying scumbag that has been run off pretty much every board on Getbig. His rationale that because three soldiers killed a family (nevermind the fact that they were ARRESTED) means all soldiers are baby killers is idiotic. And let's be honest, how many former soldiers would call their fellow soldiers baby killers? ::)
FT Dix closed as a basic training base in 1988/89......so thats possible. Who at Benning....U were with 3rd Ranger Bat? Good, one of my best friends dropped in with 3rd. This also makes u in ur 40's. Nobody else from Benning was there, unless it was a small unit.
Fort Dix
V
Fort Benning
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Panama
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Desert Storm
Tommorrow's Veteran's Day......make sure you THANK ME for my service.
You're correct on all counts "solider". :-*
Fort Dix
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Fort Benning
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Panama
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Desert Storm
Tommorrow's Veteran's Day......make sure you THANK ME for my service.
You're correct on all counts "solider". :-*
Mons - is this you?
Can't be......that guy was actually in the military for a little while.
Fort Dix
V
Fort Benning
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Panama
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Desert Storm
Tommorrow's Veteran's Day......make sure you THANK ME for my service.
You're correct on all counts "solider". :-*
He can easily be vetted at SOCNET, they have a whole section dedicated to Rangers.have no idea what socnet is? explain? That might be an easy answer here.
have no idea what socnet is? explain? That might be an easy answer here.
SOCNET is a message board run by former and current spec ops members ( seals, rangers.......) they can and will vet anyone who claims military service who joins the board, a word of caution, they don't fuck around, if someone was to go over there with some BS they will go after them.ok, sounds good but how will we know here?
ok, sounds good but how will we know here?
Hugo - I trust you to do the right thing if mons steps up and gives you the info.I will, I promise that to all.
According to a study released by the Harvard Medical School, 2,266 veterans under the age of 65 died last year as a result of not having health insurance. Researchers emphasize that "that figure is more than 14 times the number of deaths (155) suffered by U.S. troops in Afghanistan in 2008, and more than twice as many as have died (911 as of Oct. 31) since the war began in 2001."
The 1.46 million working-age veterans that did not have health insurance last year all experienced reduced access to care as a consequence, leading to "six preventable deaths a day."
Like other uninsured Americans, most uninsured vets are working people -- too poor to afford private coverage but not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid or means-tested VA care," said Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, a professor at Harvard Medical School. [...]
Dr. David Himmelstein, the co-author of the report and associate professor of medicine at Harvard, commented, "On this Veterans Day we should not only honor the nearly 500 soldiers who have died this year in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also the more than 2,200 veterans who were killed by our broken health insurance system. That's six preventable deaths a day."
The study's authors warn that the health care legislation "would do virtually nothing for the uninsured until 2013" and would "leave at least 17 million uninsured over the long run when reform kicks in," leaving many veterans still without care.
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No wonder Republicans are voting AGAINST Healthcare reform.
WWJD?
Seems as if Republicans enjoy DEATH.
WWJD?
Kazan...thats what I've warned him about. The guys I was going through were gonna send the stuff to those guys and they don't play. If he has ever used his "vet status" for monetary gain or worn a uniform with faudulent medals etc..they will persue felony charges. Mons thinks this is a joke..its not shitbag. That DD214 better be real.
Kazan...thats what I've warned him about. The guys I was going through were gonna send the stuff to those guys and they don't play. If he has ever used his "vet status" for monetary gain or worn a uniform with faudulent medals etc..they will persue felony charges. Mons thinks this is a joke..its not shitbag. That DD214 better be real.
do a lot of people really do that?
I go to SOCNET daily to see what's going on, good people, but they will unleash hell if you are a poser.
do a lot of people really do that?
You would be surprised how many fake vets there are out there.
Notice how the mental patient has not responded on this thread?
Because he is full of shit, it is not that hard to find enough information on the internet to make it appear you were in the Military. The problem is when you get called on it and have to prove it. He tried the jump wing crap, when those and just about any other decoration can be purchased on line.
WWJD?
Not a believer myself, but I think even he might just slap the shit outta you.
No answers from the supedouchbag...he knows he's been caught and he has nothing....Hugo don't let him post to he admits he's full of shit or produces something otherwise we should be free to flame him anywhere he posts here.
WHERE ARE YOU MONS?
Bush defended us....so come shoot me dead tough guy. I'll nail ur bleeding ass to the door of the local VFW...with a sign detailing ur bullshit.
There still is ZERO evidence of credible 9/11 CT, yet these morons still post this trash.
A lot of military, FDNY, and NYPD disagree with you. Also a nice stack of mechanical engineers, physicists, etc.
I tend to think these people know more about the topic than you, or I.
240 - a CT requires participants, motive, opportunity, and most especially - EVIDENCE!
Give me your best evidence of credible CT that not only makes sense, but does not fall all over itself with contradictions, half-truths, and other gross leaps of faith.
that anti-obama Alex Jones video you were loving on a few weeks back was PACKED with 911 truthers.
You're on the CT team with the rest of us. You just subscribe to different ones :)
maybe bush would have been able to do more if clinton hadnt spent 8 years downsizing the military and pulling funding from the military , oh and dont forget that there is factual evidence that the planning to perform that attack started 7 years prior , planning the funding , and what was gona take place and recruiting people to do it, so that means this all toook place for 6 years while bill clinton was pres. maybe he shouldnt have pulled so much away from national security . but i guess people forget that , just like how liberals forget the contitution when they impose socialist bills on america
nothing like being 8 years late....
BUSH IS A MURDERER!
Every dead soldiers blood is on his Satanic hands!
Bush FAILED to protect our Country and the 911 families know it! >:(
WHY NO OUTRAGE? >:(
Answer: You pathetic pukes don't give a flying fvvck about our Veterans.
How to Spot a Phony Military Veteran
Don't be fooled by a poser. These are phony military veterans, people who never served, or people claiming to participate in an operation they never conducted. Watching these guys get evasive and tap dance around probing questions is entertaining. Learn how to recognize one; they're leaching from real heroes for their own personal gain. Do our troops a favor by letting these posers know that the gig's up.
Ask to see their DD214.
Track your behavior as well as that of other veterans if you've served. Talk to friends or relatives if you've never served and get to know how military people think and do things. Project your observations to military and veteran personnel you've never met.
Keep your eyes and ears peeled for people that constantly brag about being SEALS, pilots or any specialty that requires danger and action. Pay attention to their rank and specialty claims. They're expecting you to tie them to the recent blockbuster military film you saw.
Be observant during military appreciation days. Seeing enough genuine veterans should give you an idea of what these guys look like. Stop someone that looks out of place, like someone that isn't wearing his uniform properly. Also, stop a person that looks like an overstuffed potato bag in uniform. Or a "vet" in uniform who doesn't look professional; military personnel and veterans look sharp partly because of the inspections they've experienced.
Talk to a "veteran" if you suspect him to be a phony. Listen to his stories. Then ask him basic questions about his jobs. Every service member knows their job specialty and number, or remembers it if they were veterans. If they can't figure that out, they're a phony. Ask a "SEAL" what his BUD'S class number is. They're a phony if they can't spit that information out.
Ask them what they did in between missions. They should relay a description that sounds like they did administrative duties. Use your own experience and knowledge if you're a veteran. Find out from a veteran if you're not one.
Inquire from them their name, rank, where they were stationed and what years they were stationed. Ask them where they went to basic and specialist training. Ask them detailed questions. A veteran will spit these out without effort. A phony will have a little difficulty answering you.
Skip has layed out all the basics Mons...thats the easy stuff and u can't even pass that, and ur on the net. U can't get it right and ur sitting in front of a computer. I bet if we all saw u we'd all burst out laughing. BUt I'm not letting it go shitbag..ur not a Vet, nor a Ranger, nor a Paratrooper...ur a fraud.
How to Spot a Phony Military Veteran
Don't be fooled by a poser. These are phony military veterans, people who never served, or people claiming to participate in an operation they never conducted. Watching these guys get evasive and tap dance around probing questions is entertaining. Learn how to recognize one; they're leaching from real heroes for their own personal gain. Do our troops a favor by letting these posers know that the gig's up.
Ask to see their DD214.
Track your behavior as well as that of other veterans if you've served. Talk to friends or relatives if you've never served and get to know how military people think and do things. Project your observations to military and veteran personnel you've never met.
Keep your eyes and ears peeled for people that constantly brag about being SEALS, pilots or any specialty that requires danger and action. Pay attention to their rank and specialty claims. They're expecting you to tie them to the recent blockbuster military film you saw.
Be observant during military appreciation days. Seeing enough genuine veterans should give you an idea of what these guys look like. Stop someone that looks out of place, like someone that isn't wearing his uniform properly. Also, stop a person that looks like an overstuffed potato bag in uniform. Or a "vet" in uniform who doesn't look professional; military personnel and veterans look sharp partly because of the inspections they've experienced.
Talk to a "veteran" if you suspect him to be a phony. Listen to his stories. Then ask him basic questions about his jobs. Every service member knows their job specialty and number, or remembers it if they were veterans. If they can't figure that out, they're a phony. Ask a "SEAL" what his BUD'S class number is. They're a phony if they can't spit that information out.
Ask them what they did in between missions. They should relay a description that sounds like they did administrative duties. Use your own experience and knowledge if you're a veteran. Find out from a veteran if you're not one.
Inquire from them their name, rank, where they were stationed and what years they were stationed. Ask them where they went to basic and specialist training. Ask them detailed questions. A veteran will spit these out without effort. A phony will have a little difficulty answering you.
And nowhere in that post has ur dd214...ur a fraud who is a massive pussy. This thread exists solely for u to back up ur bullshit..nothing else..nothing. Ur a fraud Mons and a pussy.
This guy has never failed at anything...we will see what the shitbag n chief does.
^^^^^^ Needs dentist and a new suit from daddy. ;D
Oxy10 would also help. :-X
Mons, why are you against sending me your 214? A least give a reason so we can figure out a way to settle this once and for all.
I say he has to let us continue to frog stomp Mons on all his threads..I can't allow this guy to say the things he's said..and then claim to be a vet.
Me neither. Hugo - i say you give mons a 30 day deadline to get you the info or he is free game everywhere all the time, regardless, anywhere, all the time.I think you need to shut your drama queen fucking mouth 3333. No, you are not going to keep posting this all over the board. I'm quite sick of it spaming the board daily. This isn't the "get mons board" There's a sticky on this because I would rather have it right here at the top of the forum than in every thread mons posts. You should be thanking me moron. Instead, as usual, you only see things your way with no consideration for anyone else.
I think you need to shut your drama queen fucking mouth 3333. No, you are not going to keep posting this all over the board. I'm quite sick of it spaming the board daily. This isn't the "get mons board" There's a sticky on this because I would rather have it right here at the top of the forum than in every thread mons posts. You should be thanking me moron. Instead, as usual, you only see things your way with no consideration for anyone else.
Oh relax and have a drink. How long are you going to have this stikied up here?until this is over, like I said, I would rather have it sticked than have the forum be about mons, which it is not.
until this is over, like I said, I would rather have it sticked than have the forum be about mons, which it is not.
I know, I do think he needs to man up one way or the other.
Hugo - serious question - if it turns out that mons faked his record - is it appropriate for us to make a formal referral in light of his comments?
It takes 10 sec's to post his 214....this is over. Sorry Hugo...but I will haunt his every post and thread.
I don't freaking know... what does everyone else on the board want? I just know i don't want several threads a day diverted to talk about the mons issue. I'd like to hear from other regulars here. Should mons be banned for saying the things he's said?
I don't freaking know... what does everyone else on the board want? I just know i don't want several threads a day diverted to talk about the mons issue. I'd like to hear from other regulars here. Should mons be banned for saying the things he's said?
Unreal - so now you are a fighter pilot? I didnt realize we had fighter pilots in Panama bombing places.
Pilot? Hell no! Back seat driver. 8)
Ok - you should have no problem then giving hugo your records.
Sorry kid, MY personal records are MINE and I will NEVER release them.
What a fucking asshole, what happened to being a ranger? Remember you were going to post your jump wings? And why black out all the markings on the jet? Affraid someone may be able to identify the squadron? Let me go get my hip boots on before the bullshit gets any deeper
The fact that he is wasting oxygen is a violation
I bet that photo is from top gun or some movie promo.
Hugo - what say you?
I bet that photo is from top gun or some movie promo.
Hugo - what say you?
911 proved our military is inept. Especially the Air Force.
HA HA, that fucking tool. Looks like he mixed up his Georgia lies - Moody vs Benning.
And no Air Force vet makes comments like this:
He's a drive by Youtube poster, generally never contributes anything to the discussions, and most of the stuff he posts is just to piss people off. He's a troll of the highest order. Seems to me he is just wasting bandwith and oxygen.are you talking about BF or Mons?
Im not the moderator, but I say the next time Mons pulls anything remotely closs to what he did he gets banned.that already stated. If he wishes troops dead again, he's gone
are you talking about BF or Mons?
BF might attack people too much personally, but Mons sometimes just seems like he is on a cocaine binge.Islam is the only serious topic for bf here, everything else posted for him is a trolling mission. he gets deleted more than everyone else here combined. How many times do people like you, hh, tony say things I disagree with and you never get deleted. that's because you all are not trolling. bf gets deleted because he's the biggest troll here and would love to see this board fall to shit with nothing but owning and stoning.
that already stated. If he wishes troops dead again, he's goneAre you gone if you wish the death of certain civilians as well?
Are you gone if you wish the death of certain civilians as well?you wish our troops dead, you're gone. That crosses the line for a lot of people here hedge. Did you hear me mention anything else but that? No I didn't so don't try and change the subject to something that was never in question. If someone wants to wish troops dead, this is the wrong forum for them. As far as censorship goes, this forum is actually pretty darn free. People are even allowed to flood the board with dozens of threads. We have a thousand times more freedom in what gets posted here than we did in general. It was pretty routine to see our threads entirely deleted and or merged into one big mess.
Just kinda interested in what type of censorship you were gonna introduce.
I have brought a tremendous amount of substance, highly relevent articles, and tpoics to this board that otherwise would not be brought up.
Mons- do you want me to post your posts that are the subject of the thread at the top of the page?hahaha, panic... change subject quickly... panic panic... 3333, you are at least admitting that sometimes your rants are racially motivated right? That's what it looks like you're saying.
BTW - what i posted pales in comparison to what i see from almost everyone else.
Because your RANTS are racially motivated. That is abundantly clear.
Racist POS.
You also brought up 2+ year old posts that were taken completely OUT OF CONTEXT which tried to make me appear in favor of killing our soliders. Can you possibly believe that Hugo, Bum, Oz or HH6 would let those comments slide if they thought I was serious? Of course not. Who would? errrr YOU. (2+ years late)
You made something out of NOTHING. Feel better now?
keep reposting the same post I moved BF and I promise you a ban this time.
Haha, you're pathetic. How is it not relevant to the thread? This fake soldier is attacking 333 about a post that may or may not have been racist. As far as I'm concerned, he's fair game. It's funny how you couldn't care less about the fact that this guy is on the record wishing for 50,000 Americans to die by IED attack but you're up in arms and logging a dozen posts about 333 making an off the cuff comment. Your double standard is pathetic. Why are you a moderator again? This board has gone to shit in the last year.fine, ignore me and post it again outside this thread. You were warned so don't blame me when you get banned for it.
Mons, what's it like being so stupid that you yourself gave out the information that proved that you were full of shit about being a vet? An F-22 pilot while fighting on the ground in Panama. Amusing.
fine, ignore me and post it again outside this thread. You were warned so don't blame me when you get banned for it.
This is Ron's board, not yours. ;)no shit ::)
no shit ::)
Bush murdered all those poor soliders w/ his made up 9/11 WMD iraq BS.
Talk to him.
what i posted pales in comparison to what i see from almost everyone else.
not in quantity....
or quality, come to think of it....;)
butt you cut/paste well.
Skip - BF said that is not even him!it's not him.
Unreal. You dont know me that well do you?unfortunately i'm learning more and more as i suffer through your posts... ;D
unfortunately i'm learning more and more as i suffer through your posts... ;D
The feeling is mutual.
Skip - BF said that is not even him!
it's not him.
ok, then, our first thing in common!!! ;D
And that is where any similarity between us ends.
it's not him.
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