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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Special Ed on October 26, 2006, 10:30:43 AM
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Like Blockhead said, the ads are all targeted to newbies. People who have used steroids or tried supplements over an extended period of time all know that the entire industry is one big scam. Here's my list of supplements I remember taking over the years:
1. Weider Weight Gainer and Muscle Builder when I was in HS/college. I couldn't afford Cybergenics but it was brilliantly marketed.
2. METRX shakes and bars (great for producing gains in the size of your doodie)
3. Phosphagen and other creatine products (The industry's #1 Greatest Scam)
4. Beverly Hills Nutrition Protein and a crapload of junk from Ultimate Strength Systems including Yohimbe!
5. Labrada Bars, especially the amazing but discontinued Peanut Butter and Jelly bars.
6. Enough Promax bars to feed the entire nation of Somalia.
7. Detour, One-Way, Yield, DoNotPassGo, GototheHeadoftheClass Bars
8. Ripped Fuel and other absurd products.
9. Aminos, Liver Tabs, BCAAs and other elephant pills that probably went undigested.
10. CarboForce (fond memories of Joe's World Class Gym in Nanuet, NY)
I remember when Egg Protein was rated a 4.0 perfect protein and all the companies ragged on milk and whey protein as being cheap and worthless. I remember when Milk Protein came back and egg protein lost its luster. I remember when Whey protein made a comeback and it was the new big thing (Designer Whey!!). I remember VPX or some other joke of a company selling products loaded into SYRINGES WITHOUT NEEDLES. I remember Pros telling me how they sold all the free product they got from their endorsement deals because they needed the money and had no use for the supplements. I remember being in the kitchens of 2 of this year's Top 5 Olympians and not seeing any nutritional supplements ANYWHERE. I remember being in the kitchen of a perennial Mr. Olympia contender over a two year period and never seeing a single nutritional supplement. I remember asking a former NOC winner if he used nutritional supplements and him laughing out loud at my ignorance.
It only took a smart fellow like me 15 years to realize my stupidity. Like Adonis says, "calories are calories". Wanna gain weight? Save your money and eat SNICKERS bars, drink lots of WHOLE MILK, and LIFT HEAVY. Wanna lose weight? Save your money and cut your calories in HALF, drink nothing but WATER, and do 45 Min of cardio/day.
Special "Real Simple" Ed
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3. Phosphagen and other creatine products (The industry's #1 Greatest Scam)
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Blasphemy! You'll pay for that sander, sir. I'm calling Danny Hestor right now. >:(
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Blasphemy! You'll pay for that sander, sir. I'm calling Danny Hestor right now. >:(
I don't use a sander...I use sandpaper. Works better. Bill Phillips is here with me now and he wants to know who Danny Hestor is.
Special "Alexslander the Great" Ed
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3. Phosphagen and other creatine products (The industry's #1 Greatest Scam)
Bill Phillips lied? ???
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Bill Phillips lied? ???
feels like deca.
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Very good, Special'TrickorTreatSmellmyButt'Ed!
It all target's the demographics of age 16-24 because by the time they are 24 and haven't figured it out there will be a whole new generation of buyers. It took me a plethora of years to figure it out as well...my life changed two yrs ago when a pro BB who we all know that used to live in WISCONSIN but now lives in TX who's a mega mass monster freak with weird looking pecs told me straight up...the ONLY thing he uses is protein powder and a jug will last him almost two months.
He told me straight up to SAVE your money and spend it on food and groceries. He reminded me that there are PLENTY of quality stage worthy physiques and 500lb + benchpressers and 700lb squatters in PRISON, some having over 19 arms and they have 3 crappy starchy carbohydrate meals with mystery meat for protein daily and NO access to any supps. MAYBE a multi vitamin if they are lucky.
Now I save lots of money and just use a protein powder(Pride Nutrition) Liquid Egg Whites(E.W.I.), creatine(Pride) and Mens multi(Pride). That's it. Holla!
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Like Blockhead said, the ads are all targeted to newbies. People who have used steroids or tried supplements over an extended period of time all know that the entire industry is one big scam. Here's my list of supplements I remember taking over the years:
1. Weider Weight Gainer and Muscle Builder when I was in HS/college. I couldn't afford Cybergenics but it was brilliantly marketed.
2. METRX shakes and bars (great for producing gains in the size of your doodie)
3. Phosphagen and other creatine products (The industry's #1 Greatest Scam)
4. Beverly Hills Nutrition Protein and a crapload of junk from Ultimate Strength Systems including Yohimbe!
5. Labrada Bars, especially the amazing but discontinued Peanut Butter and Jelly bars.
6. Enough Promax bars to feed the entire nation of Somalia.
7. Detour, One-Way, Yield, DoNotPassGo, GototheHeadoftheClass Bars
8. Ripped Fuel and other absurd products.
9. Aminos, Liver Tabs, BCAAs and other elephant pills that probably went undigested.
10. CarboForce (fond memories of Joe's World Class Gym in Nanuet, NY)
I remember when Egg Protein was rated a 4.0 perfect protein and all the companies ragged on milk and whey protein as being cheap and worthless. I remember when Milk Protein came back and egg protein lost its luster. I remember when Whey protein made a comeback and it was the new big thing (Designer Whey!!). I remember VPX or some other joke of a company selling products loaded into SYRINGES WITHOUT NEEDLES. I remember Pros telling me how they sold all the free product they got from their endorsement deals because they needed the money and had no use for the supplements. I remember being in the kitchens of 2 of this year's Top 5 Olympians and not seeing any nutritional supplements ANYWHERE. I remember being in the kitchen of a perennial Mr. Olympia contender over a two year period and never seeing a single nutritional supplement. I remember asking a former NOC winner if he used nutritional supplements and him laughing out loud at my ignorance.
It only took a smart fellow like me 15 years to realize my stupidity. Like Adonis says, "calories are calories". Wanna gain weight? Save your money and eat SNICKERS bars, drink lots of WHOLE MILK, and LIFT HEAVY. Wanna lose weight? Save your money and cut your calories in HALF, drink nothing but WATER, and do 45 Min of cardio/day.
Special "Real Simple" Ed
Spoken like a catholic priest on sunday...
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5. Labrada Bars, especially the amazing but discontinued Peanut Butter and Jelly bars.
I ate these - thought they would be a good flavor. I thought wrong.
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how about an add taken out saying how jay cutler gained 10 pnds of muscle using gasparis size on product...and winning the MRO.
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I have really taken supplements. I make protein shakes sometimes. But any other supplement has never done a thing for me. Whne I competed I took nothing. Just ate and trained heavy. Test was the only thing I ever took. And I would much rather have a good meal than take a bunch of supplements.
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If I drink Whole Milk I need to walk around with a diaper on cause i shit so much...can't i just use russian bear?
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All the good ones get the hook from the FDA. Remember Renewtrient? That stuff had a nice buzz and helped you sleep like a baby. It's back, but now called Somatomax. I used to love the stuff and was bumbed when it went south. It's back and day's and night's are much nicer now. Protein, creatine, ephedrine based fat burners and glousamine are some of the ones that keep selling, they must work for some people. And every once in a while something comes out that does work, but I agree that most of the stuff is just a promise in a bottle and it would cost a small fortune to fine ones that do what they promise, but their are a few that are far from worthless, IMO.
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I love how creatine needs transportation to get into your muscles. ..hahaha
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Like Blockhead said, the ads are all targeted to newbies. People who have used steroids or tried supplements over an extended period of time all know that the entire industry is one big scam. Here's my list of supplements I remember taking over the years:
1. Weider Weight Gainer and Muscle Builder when I was in HS/college. I couldn't afford Cybergenics but it was brilliantly marketed.
2. METRX shakes and bars (great for producing gains in the size of your doodie)
3. Phosphagen and other creatine products (The industry's #1 Greatest Scam)
4. Beverly Hills Nutrition Protein and a crapload of junk from Ultimate Strength Systems including Yohimbe!
5. Labrada Bars, especially the amazing but discontinued Peanut Butter and Jelly bars.
6. Enough Promax bars to feed the entire nation of Somalia.
7. Detour, One-Way, Yield, DoNotPassGo, GototheHeadoftheClass Bars
8. Ripped Fuel and other absurd products.
9. Aminos, Liver Tabs, BCAAs and other elephant pills that probably went undigested.
10. CarboForce (fond memories of Joe's World Class Gym in Nanuet, NY)
I remember when Egg Protein was rated a 4.0 perfect protein and all the companies ragged on milk and whey protein as being cheap and worthless. I remember when Milk Protein came back and egg protein lost its luster. I remember when Whey protein made a comeback and it was the new big thing (Designer Whey!!). I remember VPX or some other joke of a company selling products loaded into SYRINGES WITHOUT NEEDLES. I remember Pros telling me how they sold all the free product they got from their endorsement deals because they needed the money and had no use for the supplements. I remember being in the kitchens of 2 of this year's Top 5 Olympians and not seeing any nutritional supplements ANYWHERE. I remember being in the kitchen of a perennial Mr. Olympia contender over a two year period and never seeing a single nutritional supplement. I remember asking a former NOC winner if he used nutritional supplements and him laughing out loud at my ignorance.
It only took a smart fellow like me 15 years to realize my stupidity. Like Adonis says, "calories are calories". Wanna gain weight? Save your money and eat SNICKERS bars, drink lots of WHOLE MILK, and LIFT HEAVY. Wanna lose weight? Save your money and cut your calories in HALF, drink nothing but WATER, and do 45 Min of cardio/day.
Special "Real Simple" Ed
it's all true
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I don't use a sander...I use sandpaper. Works better. Bill Phillips is here with me now and he wants to know who Danny Hestor is.
Special "Alexslander the Great" Ed
Hey Special'Counsler'Ed...tell Bill Phillips that HMB I bought 5 yrs ago didn't work as good as that QualityVet Deca300 did.
Ask him if I can still get my refund...I think I lost the recipt though.
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The industry is all about selling magic powders, fruit drinks, and chocolate bars.
Once you understand that, everything else makes sense.
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All the good ones get the hook from the FDA. Remember Renewtrient? That stuff had a nice buzz and helped you sleep like a baby. It's back, but now called Somatomax. I used to love the stuff and was bumbed when it went south. It's back and day's and night's are much nicer now. Protein, creatine, ephedrine based fat burners and glousamine are some of the ones that keep selling, they must work for some people. And every once in a while something comes out that does work, but I agree that most of the stuff is just a promise in a bottle and it would cost a small fortune to fine ones that do what they promise, but their are a few that are far from worthless, IMO.
Wasn't Renewtrient a GHB analogue? GBL? That's just a recreational drug... not a supplement really.
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Here's what I use as far as supplements:
Stimulants. No question whether or not they work.
Protein and carb powders. Could be classified as food.
Creatine. Does help strength and gives as fuller appearance.
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I love how creatine needs transportation to get into your muscles. ..hahaha
hahaha, and the funny thing is, you also need to buy a ticket. it's called alkalyne. ::) ::)
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I agree for the most part. I use whey, the occasional MRP, creatine, glutamine and stimulants. I've come to find that the other crap does nothing but empty my wallet.
We are all MUCH better off spanding that cash on FOOD!!!
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Here's what I use as far as supplements:
Stimulants. No question whether or not they work.
Protein and carb powders. Could be classified as food.
Creatine. Does help strength and gives as fuller appearance.
yeah man the basics. a mulit and aminos i use too. fuck all this NO shit and P70, bullshit nonsense.
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They put roids in the supps now.. I heard that in the gym last night..
oh cool.
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They put roids in the supps now.. I heard that in the gym last night..
Your humor sucks.
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Man I loved GHB. I slept like a baby. Would get it from a friend who was a pharmasist. I never asked but why couldn't you drink it plain. I tried a little and if I remember it was really salty. What made it like that
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oh cool.
hahahaha!
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I like me some Arginine
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hahahaha!
;D
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yeah man the basics. a mulit and aminos i use too. f**k all this NO shit and P70, bullshit nonsense.
It's amazing how even some competitive, steroid using, bodybuilders are falling for this NO scam. They put some stimulants in the NO formulas so you get a "kick" thinking it is actually doing something for growth and strength when it's just the caffeine etc.
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It's amazing how even some competitive, steroid using, bodybuilders are falling for this NO scam. They put some stimulants in the NO formulas so you get a "kick" thinking it is actually doing something for growth and strength when it's just the caffeine etc.
they aren't falling for it, they are helping to sell it.
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I fell for it once when I got started as a kid in '92 with cybergentics.. 120 bucks, it came with the video tape and some pills and some before and after pics of "people that got huge on this in 2 months" As a kid 120 bucks is some big bucks..
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Cybergenics, damn that brings back memories. The pitch man Franco Santorellio I recall, claimed "cybergenetics" helped him get big. He couldnt even get the name out right :-\
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Armz you beat me to it ;D
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Micronized creatine mixed with gycerol and dextrose (grape juice) works well for me (I heard if you eat allot of red meat creatine won't due shit. I take whey, sugar and BCAA's after a work out.
ECA ripped allot of weight off me back in the day
Pro-hormones helped me take weight off my pockets
And finally when I took a real "supplement" Winstrol, it helped me bust through a platue and make strenght gains week after week but I only take it for 5 weeks at a time - and keep the strenght when go off. ;D
Winstrol (every now and than) creatine, protein powder, sugar, and tuna is all I need ;D
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I fell for it once when I got started as a kid in '92 with cybergentics.. 120 bucks, it came with the video tape and some pills and some before and after pics of "people that got huge on this in 2 months" As a kid 120 bucks is some big bucks..
I can't believe it was still around in '92. When I was a freshman at Maryland in 1987, only one guy had the moola to do the Cybergenics scam. The recommended workout was insanely IMPOSSIBLE, thus guaranteeing that since no one could possibly follow it, no one could prove it didn't work and be entitled to a refund. I remember the jackass trying to do the workout which called for every single set to be performed to POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE FAILURE, which basically meant having someone lift the weight for you on every rep beyond positive failure. What a joke. When the Cybergenics douchebag came into the gym, everyone pretended not to see him so he wouldn't ask you for a "spot".
I think the Cybergenics guy was the same dude behind Xenadrine. At least he comes up with cool names.
Special "Cyberdyne Systems" Ed
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Did any of you guys ever take those Joe Weider pre-work out powdered carb sticks (from ca 92-93) - they came in little bags as a powder (kinda like a pixy-stick) and you just dump all the powder in your mouth and it turns into like a gum that you chew and swallow - they didn't due shit but taste pretty good?
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Hey, Special'Model-101'Ed...I knew a guy named Harry Thanos who was 'sponsored' by Cybergenics. He told me the TRUTH!!!! He was paid to deplete for 3 months...super low cal diet, no training whatsoever and was ordered to eat junk and crap and not to tan nothing.
After he went into crap mode...hairy, 40lbs lighter, off gear, hardly eating, unshaven he then was ordered to go back 'on' and start training hard. They came to take the 'After' pics of him when he was shaved down, waxed, tan, peaking and carbed-up. Took a few snap shots holding a current newspaper, wrote him a check and off to the airport.
Only in America.
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Hey, Special'Model-101'Ed...I knew a guy named Harry Thanos who was 'sponsored' by Cybergenics. He told me the TRUTH!!!! He was paid to deplete for 3 months...super low cal diet, no training whatsoever and was ordered to eat junk and crap and not to tan nothing.
After he went into crap mode...hairy, 40lbs lighter, off gear, hardly eating, unshaven he then was ordered to go back 'on' and start training hard. They came to take the 'After' pics of him when he was shaved down, waxed, tan, peaking and carbed-up. Took a few snap shots holding a current newspaper, wrote him a check and off to the airport.
Only in America.
that's how ALL supp ads work.
Just think of that Lee Priest crap.
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Cybergenics, damn that brings back memories. The pitch man Franco Santorellio I recall, claimed "cybergenetics" helped him get big. He couldnt even get the name out right :-\
;D
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I don't use a sander...I use sandpaper. Works better. Bill Phillips is here with me now and he wants to know who Danny Hestor is.
Special "Alexslander the Great" Ed
Damn Special, I did mess that up didn't I. How about "slander" and "Hester"? ;)
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Are you telling me that all muscletech products are not good............damn!!!
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NFL Rookie of the Year and SD Charger LBer Shawn Merriman claims that his NFL suspension for testing positive for NANDROLONE is unfair because it was in a supplement that he was taking.
When asked for the name of the supplement he was taking, his agent replied, "Deca-Durabolin."
Special "Fox Sports Net" Ed
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I got burnt by the met rx scam whe i was in my teens. At the end of the week when i got my wages from my part time job i would rush out and buy that shite. Ha ha ha, in the end a bodybuilder took pity on me and sold me some dbol. I've never looked back :)
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I got burnt by the met rx scam whe i was in my teens. At the end of the week when i got my wages from my part time job i would rush out and buy that shite. Ha ha ha, in the end a bodybuilder took pity on me and sold me some dbol. I've never looked back :)
haha, the amount you spend on met rx could buy you so much stuff.
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Dont forget the rumors that steroids were in early batches of "Hot Stuff"... (Just so people would buy it up after Roids became illegal)..
I wonder if anyone ever bought Vinny Mac's ICOPRO line, when the WBF were around... Garbage..
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haha, the amount you spend on met rx could buy you so much stuff.
Very true! And its worse than ever nowdays. A tub of muscletech snake oil could buy you hundreds of thai beautys!
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Very true! And its worse than ever nowdays. A tub of muscletech snake oil could buy you hundreds of thai beautys!
haha no doubt! a bottle of pump tech i've seen priced at 100$ (can) my god like dave chapelle says thats dick sucking prices!
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NFL Rookie of the Year and SD Charger LBer Shawn Merriman claims that his NFL suspension for testing positive for NANDROLONE is unfair because it was in a supplement that he was taking.
When asked for the name of the supplement he was taking, his agent replied, "Deca-Durabolin."
Special "Fox Sports Net" Ed
This means that lobbyist will be wanting to come down harder on the supplement industry selling fat soccer moms that there are 'dangerous' and 'illegal' and 'poisonous' steroids in everything and anything that can be bought at a punk ass GNC.
Watch for the ban or call of having to be over 18 or 21 to purchase 'whey protein'.
This also shows how lawyers(except for suave pimps like the Collins firm) know dick about supplements and steroids and so does the rest of America and Washington. It's this kind of ignorance that will make US pay for it and the bold face lie by NFL'er recently who pissed hot.
Today on the drive to work I was listening to an AM sports talk station and was baffled by the 'arm chair' know it alls on sports talk radio who were saying things like..."...that's why I dont buy anything from GNC...I don't want my nuts to fall off and I like having hair" or "...yea, I used to drink those protein drinks but had to get off cuz I was getting roid rage all the time..."
You see?
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I remember buying a a big tub of celltech after my first "job", all the ni**as were laughing at my dumb ass.
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Man I loved GHB. I slept like a baby. Would get it from a friend who was a pharmasist. I never asked but why couldn't you drink it plain. I tried a little and if I remember it was really salty. What made it like that
Some used sodium as a base some used Ka, the sodium worked the best, yeah back in the day you HAD to cut it because it was to strong unless you had a tolerance for it.
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I actually got great results by mixing MetRx with Optimum Nutrition 100% whey protein power 50:50 ratio. I can't explain it, but for some odd reason mixing the two together gave me fantastic gains. Haven't used MetRx in a few years though, but still have a 5lb tub of protein powder on the counter.
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I actually got great results by mixing MetRx with Optimum Nutrition 100% whey protein power 50:50 ratio. I can't explain it, but for some odd reason mixing the two together gave me fantastic gains. Haven't used MetRx in a few years though, but still have a 5lb tub of protein powder on the counter.
Is met rx even still around??
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whatever happened to Franco Santorellio? I remember that he was pretty thick. I know he worked for Parillo some years back.
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whatever happened to Franco Santorellio? I remember that he was pretty thick. I know he worked for Parillo some years back.
so did Newman.
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Most supps are a waste of money. I agree that you may as well save your money for the real deal than waste it on prohormones/prosteroids. The one company that I feel really puts out a good product is Gaspari Nutrition. That's just my opinion. His stuff has worked well for me.(super pump 250, novaldex, haladrol 50) Those work IMO. So if you can acquire any gear those are decent alternatives.
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Most supps are a waste of money. I agree that you may as well save your money for the real deal than waste it on prohormones/prosteroids. The one company that I feel really puts out a good product is Gaspari Nutrition. That's just my opinion. His stuff has worked well for me.(super pump 250, novaldex, haladrol 50) Those work IMO. So if you can acquire any gear those are decent alternatives.
I concur. Gaspari doesn't make a bad product. Do they have a protein formula if not will they? Their M.One.T was a bad mofo!!! I know guys who used to grind that up and mix it with homemade tren and shoot it.
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I agree that most companies make bogus claims and sell crap products. That is why I started my company. We only sell the highest quality products that work as claimed (note - as claimed - we don't make goofy claims).
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I agree that most companies make bogus claims and sell crap products. That is why I started my company. We only sell the highest quality products that work as claimed (note - as claimed - we don't make goofy claims).
"Guaranteed to give you more body hair than Bigfoot and provide the energy to work 2,349 hours a week!"
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I agree that most companies make bogus claims and sell crap products. That is why I started my company. We only sell the highest quality products that work as claimed (note - as claimed - we don't make goofy claims).
Hey Chris...what say you on the marketing techniques of MuscleTech? As a buisnessman and owner...what is your stance with their slick advertorials and their claims and imagery?
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Hey Chris...what say you on the marketing techniques of MuscleTech? As a buisnessman and owner...what is your stance with their slick advertorials and their claims and imagery?
I will speak about the supplement industry in general. I think there are too many wild and/or bogus claims made about supplements. That's really it in a nutshell and again why I started AtLarge. My thought has always been that people will respect integrity and our no-nonsense approach.
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I try to educate some kids at my gym... sometimes you hit a brick wall ("no way man, protein will make my dick shrink"...), sometimes you just can't deprogram their brainwashed little heads ("NO explode makes me explode man... look how i'm benching 135!!!), and sometimes you get a kid to save his money and spend it on food and real supplements...
I wish so many meatheads out there would wisen up. Would you do business with a company that scams you and insults your intelligence? If not, why do you keep buying this shit from supplement companies that take you for a fool and use false advertising?!
Yes yes I know.... meltdown...
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Ooooh...nice! Good man! Good buisness man. You answered like a politician. Instead of zeroing in on that EXACT company I was speaking of you directed it to the WHOLE industry. You never know who's reading, right?
They say you attract more bee's with honey...
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I will speak about the supplement industry in general. I think there are too many wild and/or bogus claims made about supplements. That's really it in a nutshell and again why I started AtLarge. My thought has always been that people will respect integrity and our no-nonsense approach.
Is that why you sponsor guys with shitty genetics like Rhino... you feel it gives the average Joe a more realistic picture of what he can expect to achieve?
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I try to educate some kids at my gym... sometimes you hit a brick wall ("no way man, protein will make my dick shrink"...), sometimes you just can't deprogram their brainwashed little heads ("NO explode makes me explode man... look how i'm benching 135!!!), and sometimes you get a kid to save his money and spend it on food and real supplements...
I wish so many meatheads out there would wisen up. Would you do business with a company that scams you and insults your intelligence? If not, why do you keep buying this shit from supplement companies that take you for a fool and use false advertising?!
Yes yes I know.... meltdown...
Good post.
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back when I worked at a shop one of the guys was about 6'2 and maybe 140lbs. He wanted to gain weight and came in with 2 tubs of creatine. I asked him what that was for and he said it was going to get him up to 200lbs. I told him it would never work cause he has no muscle to begin with and he didn't even work out. That same day for lunch he had 1/2 a sandwich for luch. I just looked at him and shook my head.
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Ooooh...nice! Good man! Good buisness man. You answered like a politician. Instead of zeroing in on that EXACT company I was speaking of you directed it to the WHOLE industry. You never know who's reading, right?
They say you attract more bee's with honey...
No, unfortunately in this day and age you never know who will SUE. The more you have the more people look to take it away. You know, those who can't do try to leech...
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Hey Thebockhead...when you talked to the ex Wisconsinite, did he mention at all if he was still pushing Vitargo? I know when i'd go to his store up here, he really talked it up and said he just used that and like you said, very little protein powder. Just curious. But i agree with you, nutrition and just plain lifting hard and smart is the key.
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Tru...Tru...
Just checked your website out. I like your mission ststement. Saw the link to 'wannabebig' forum.
I'll pay attention to you guys. I'm all for the companies that are in to be honest and straight with their customers not TRICK them using warm colors, psychology and sex.
I'll buy a tub of 'Nitrean' if you guys are at the ASC.
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I'll buy a tub of 'Nitrean' if you guys are at the ASC.
It'll put hair on yer chest!
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Hey Thebockhead...when you talked to the ex Wisconsinite, did he mention at all if he was still pushing Vitargo? I know when i'd go to his store up here, he really talked it up and said he just used that and like you said, very little protein powder. Just curious. But i agree with you, nutrition and just plain lifting hard and smart is the key.
Hahahahahaha! No he didn't. He said that at his shop and being under contract with a supp company...all he got was free supps for his shop and they paid his plane and hotel tickets ONLY for the ASC...and 'O'.
Lot's of people are under the impression when a BB gets a supp contract that they automatically get fortune and glory. That's hardly ever the case.
He didn't mention Vitargo. This was 3 yrs ago...I took him to get some food in between a guest posing gig he did before the nightshow. Kind of off record but he said it...just protein powder "IF HE REMEMBERS". He gave me the jailhouse, prison inmate lecture and what they are able to achieve and pointed to his double Denver Omlet with german pancake on the side and said..."this is what works".
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We may be there Blockhead. We have not yet made a final decision as the Olympia took a big chunk out of our funds for such matters. I appreciate the props and the possibility of you becoming a customer.
As a reference to our mission statement EVERY single one of our athletes or customers pictured on our site TRULY USE our products. We have no bogus testimonials or outlandish claims from any of them.
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No, unfortunately in this day and age you never know who will SUE.
LOL it's a good thing that MT never hears all the crap that's said about them around the BSN offices
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They put roids in the supps now.. I heard that in the gym last night..
You never know... I just heard they put Viagra in Nasutra.
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Supplements are such a scam. I have been lifting for 3 years. I learned quickly that most of my gains came from the following items:
1. Food in the form of eggs, chicken, beef, turkey, fish, veggies, fruits, etc.
2. H20
3. Protein powder
4. Glutamine
5. Multivitamin
6. Consistency
7. Rest
Does anyone the supplement called "Ultimate Orange"?
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Does anyone (remember) the supplement called "Ultimate Orange"?
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Many members here loved Ultimate Orange. They should be jumping in the thread soon. I though it was good but had a bit too steep of a dose-response curve. I preferred Ripped Fuel.
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The only supplement I really saw results for was glutamine ( i didn't lose as much mass when dieting). So noone here has had any results with anything else?
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If I'm not mistaken, one of the creators and backers of Ultimate Orange was none other than my former penpal and the 80's #1 Steroid Dealer James Bradshaw who did a few years in federal lockup. Wouldn't surprise me if they "loaded" Ultimate Orange with some "Hot Stuff".
Speaking of Hot Stuff, anyone remember their KITCHEN FRIGGIN SINK approach?
Special "Fat Stuff" Ed
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Hahahahahaha! No he didn't. He said that at his shop and being under contract with a supp company...all he got was free supps for his shop and they paid his plane and hotel tickets ONLY for the ASC...and 'O'.
Lot's of people are under the impression when a BB gets a supp contract that they automatically get fortune and glory. That's hardly ever the case.
He didn't mention Vitargo. This was 3 yrs ago...I took him to get some food in between a guest posing gig he did before the nightshow. Kind of off record but he said it...just protein powder "IF HE REMEMBERS". He gave me the jailhouse, prison inmate lecture and what they are able to achieve and pointed to his double Denver Omlet with german pancake on the side and said..."this is what works".
A double denver omelet sounds good about now...
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Just about anything that's sold at GNC. Or over the counter,anywhere. T-nation.com comes out with a new wonder supplement just about every three month. This of course replaces their former wonder supplement, that was the final word in building muscle and strength. Getting more like the old Muscle Media and Bill Phillps every week. No wonder, most of their present staff worked there. So sell overpriced and hyped supplements.
Want a real buzz than try Red Line. Stronger than a double Cuban expresso. Takes you through a workout and beyond. Creatine (pure grade) does work for most. Some say you need a transfer, some don't. I believe most people do. Studies suggest it also helps brain function and repair,also. Good for older people.
Pretty much agree with Bruffy and also that Denver omlet idea. Start with good quality food first. Good Luck.
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Wasn't Renewtrient a GHB analogue? GBL? That's just a recreational drug... not a supplement really.
Sold as a GH releaser. If taken correctly it gives you the best and fullest nights sleep you can get. When abused, it's just another drug. Like ephedrine, Kava or Valerian but people like this one better.
If any of you guys remember Dan D's Opus diet. The original Muscle Milk. The problem was He was so far ahead of his time that fat was one of the worst things in a bodybuilders diet. We didn't know about the good fats vs. the bad fats yet. He included 1 or 2 single dose glass vials of Nubian. No shit, it wasn't illegal at the time and Dan promised it helped overtraining. What He didn't tell was that it's an opiate and now a sec III drug, like roids or vicodan. God old Dan, may he rest in peace where ever He is.
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For me, it has to be Desiccated Liver Tablets!
But only the Argentinian beef derived variety. I can really feel than iron boost working, and it has definite anabolic properties, not sure if it androgenic, but I've definetely felt some agression whilst "on".
On my first cycle, I put on 3lbs, in a month!
I'm sure its only a matter of time until its banned...
But I've heard of this stuff, arginine which stacked with ornithine, is the bomb!
Anybody know where I can get some glandulars? And soy protein? Is it legal, btw?
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For me, it has to be Desiccated Liver Tablets!
But only the Argentinian beef derived variety. I can really feel than iron boost working, and it has definite anabolic properties, not sure if it androgenic, but I've definetely felt some agression whilst "on".
On my first cycle, I put on 3lbs, in a month!
I'm sure its only a matter of time until its banned...
But I've heard of this stuff, arginine which stacked with ornithine, is the bomb!
Anybody know where I can get some glandulars? And soy protein? Is it legal, btw?
Lee Priest says he likes liver tabs... stacked with a cc of Deca each week of course.
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reading this thread made me feel like trying out the supps again, so i just pulled the trigger on some glutamine and creatine....amazon.com surprisingly has both at decent prices too
although i had to throw this filler item in to get the free shipping...
"Big Trouble in Little China (Single Disc Edition)" DVD; $4.97
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creatine will make your muscle hold a tad more water. caffeine/energy drinks will wake you up during your workouts. protein powder will let you get 300 grams a day when you don't have time or money to have those complete meals. supplements are a great aid.
and speaking of supplements, i need some glutamine. anyone wanna trade a tub for some web work? :)
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"Big Trouble in Little China (Single Disc Edition)" DVD; $4.97
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Pretty good movie.
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Very good, Special'TrickorTreatSmellmyButt'Ed!
It all target's the demographics of age 16-24 because by the time they are 24 and haven't figured it out there will be a whole new generation of buyers. It took me a plethora of years to figure it out as well...my life changed two yrs ago when a pro BB who we all know that used to live in WISCONSIN but now lives in TX who's a mega mass monster freak with weird looking pecs told me straight up...the ONLY thing he uses is protein powder and a jug will last him almost two months.
He told me straight up to SAVE your money and spend it on food and groceries. He reminded me that there are PLENTY of quality stage worthy physiques and 500lb + benchpressers and 700lb squatters in PRISON, some having over 19 arms and they have 3 crappy starchy carbohydrate meals with mystery meat for protein daily and NO access to any supps. MAYBE a multi vitamin if they are lucky.
Now I save lots of money and just use a protein powder(Pride Nutrition) Liquid Egg Whites(E.W.I.), creatine(Pride) and Mens multi(Pride). That's it. Holla!
blockhead, I agree with you..one small point that you forget to mention...are not natty, so clearly you are in a different boat
but yes, everything else you say is true
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Is the fact that the FDA doesn't regulate supps the reason why many marketing techniques are false advertising? Have any supplement companies ever been targeted for false advertising claims before?
SM
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All the time. Muscletech and Xenadrine were the last two big names i can think of that had class action lawsuits successfully brought against them in the past year or so
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I fell for it once when I got started as a kid in '92 with cybergentics.. 120 bucks, it came with the video tape and some pills and some before and after pics of "people that got huge on this in 2 months" As a kid 120 bucks is some big bucks..
Shit, as a kid, I fell for the Weider protein powder. God that was fucking awful!
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Any of you hear of "Advocare"? A friend of mine sells it (and of course swears by it)...it's suppose to be "clean" or "regulated" and athletes (he tells me) are encouraged to use this line in the NCAA versus any other products that could be "tainted".
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FWIW, from todays Yahoo home page:
[url]Americans Fall Prey to Weight-Loss Supplement 'Hype' By Bruce Sylvester
HealthDay Reporter Fri Oct 27, 7:04 PM ET
FRIDAY, Oct. 27 (HealthDay News) -- American adults think weight-loss supplements are safer and more effective than they actually are, researchers report in a new national survey.
More than 60 percent of the 1,444 telephone respondents, all of whom had made significant efforts to lose weight, mistakenly said that such supplements have been tested and are proven to be safe (65 percent) and effective (63 percent).
Over half (54 percent) wrongly stated that such supplements are approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
"FDA-approved drugs for weight loss have gone through years of testing with thousands of patients to prove that they are safe and effective. Supplements have not," said Thomas Wadden, president of North American Association for the Study of Obesity-The Obesity Society. "And this survey sounds the alarm that most Americans have the wrong idea about the safety and efficacy of these supplements."
There are currently no over-the-counter drugs for weight loss approved by the FDA.
The survey, conducted by the University of Connecticut's Center for Survey Research & Analysis (CSRA), was presented this week at the Obesity Society's annual meeting, in Boston.
The poll was funded by drug maker GlaxoSmithKline, which makes the prescription weight loss drug orlistat, brand named Xenical. Earlier this year, GlaxoSmithKline received conditional FDA approval for an over-the-counter version of the drug, to be sold as Alli.
Other significant findings of the survey include:
34 percent of Americans who have tried to lose weight have used dietary supplements in one or more attempts, double the number who have used FDA-approved prescription medications.
Supplements are used by a higher proportion of blacks (49 percent) and Hispanics (42 percent) than whites (31 percent)
Only 30 percent of respondents said that they would speak to a physician about losing weight, even though 87 percent of them have a primary-care physician and 92 percent see their doctor at least once a year.
"The survey shows many Americans want to and will try to lose weight without a doctor's help and without a prescription medication," said investigator Saul Shiffman, a professor of psychology at the University of Pittsburgh. "To maximize their success, overweight Americans need to be informed about products that have been proven effective, and to use effective products and methods, to increase the effectiveness of Americans' dieting efforts, and improve their health and well-being."
On the same day and at the same meeting, leaders in the obesity field announced a national initiative to attack misleading advertising of weight loss diet supplements, publishing a White Paper call-to-action.
Richard Cleland, assistant director of the U.S. Federal Trade Commissions Division of Advertising Practices said, "This 'White Paper' announcement is a very important step in addressing the obesity epidemic, because what we need, and have been sorely lacking, in a multi-pronged approach to weight-loss fraud in the United States. The weight-loss fraud battle cannot be won by law enforcement alone. Consumers need to learn and to respond."
"We stand for help not hype in the face of the global epidemic of obesity," said MRC Greenwood, a professor of nutrition and internal medicine at the University of California at Davis and member of the newly launched Reality Initiative Council.
The national initiative calls for:
Health-care professionals to teach patients about realistic weight loss goals and to discourage the use of untested and unproven diet products.
Enforcement by governmental regulators of existing laws and regulations pertaining to products making unsubstantiated weight-loss claims.
Communication by the media of potential consequences of use of unverified weight loss products.
"We choose to approach the obesity epidemic by first attacking something specific, the hype of weight-loss products that creates a climate of failure," said Greenwood. "And we believe that by keeping the effort closely targeted and working closely with researchers, clinicians and the media, we can produce concrete results and begin to save lives."
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ripped fuel was the shit. i honestly lost 15 lbs in high school taking only 2/3 of the recommended dosages. why ephedrine is banned is beyond me. obviously more people abuse food than weight loss pills. why don't they ban people who are extremely obese from visiting mcdonalds or ordering pizza. i think that would save more lives than taking ephedra off the market. sure there's a small amount of people who abuse ephedra but there's probably about 10x the number of people abusing other otc drugs and such. not to mention that alcohol kills who knows how many people everyday and it's cheapest legal drug around. why's ephedra banned again?
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I concur. Gaspari doesn't make a bad product. Do they have a protein formula if not will they? Their M.One.T was a bad mofo!!! I know guys who used to grind that up and mix it with homemade tren and shoot it.
Yeah they do, it's called IntraPro. I have never used it but there hasn't been one product I've tried by gaspari that I haven't liked. That M1T was really good. Right now I'm taking 1 Halodrol 50 with 2 Halodrol Liquids. I just started taking it 3 days ago and I'm already feeling positive effects. I would recommend his stuff to anyone. Check out the website gasparinutrition.com
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I got a free gasparinutrition T-shirt from a getbig member and it is absolutely my favorite shirt now. The SizeOn was good... but the shirt is great!
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Scam indeed....