Author Topic: THE GREAT SUPPLEMENT/ADVERTISING SCAM  (Read 22085 times)

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Re: THE GREAT SUPPLEMENT/ADVERTISING SCAM
« Reply #75 on: October 26, 2006, 09:57:24 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, one of the creators and backers of Ultimate Orange was none other than my former penpal and the 80's #1 Steroid Dealer James Bradshaw who did a few years in federal lockup. Wouldn't surprise me if they "loaded" Ultimate Orange with some "Hot Stuff".

Speaking of Hot Stuff, anyone remember their KITCHEN FRIGGIN SINK approach?

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« Reply #76 on: October 27, 2006, 05:58:47 AM »
Hahahahahaha! No he didn't. He said that at his shop and being under contract with a supp company...all he got was free supps for his shop and they paid his plane and hotel tickets ONLY for the ASC...and 'O'.

 Lot's of people are under the impression when a BB gets a supp contract that they automatically get fortune and glory. That's hardly ever the case.

 He didn't mention Vitargo. This was 3 yrs ago...I took him to get some food in between a guest posing gig he did before the nightshow. Kind of off record but he said it...just protein powder "IF HE REMEMBERS". He gave me the jailhouse, prison inmate lecture and what they are able to achieve and pointed to his double Denver Omlet with german pancake on the side and said..."this is what works".   

A double denver omelet sounds good about now...
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« Reply #77 on: October 27, 2006, 09:58:05 AM »
Just about anything that's sold at GNC. Or over the counter,anywhere. T-nation.com comes out with a new wonder supplement just about every three month. This of course replaces their former wonder supplement, that was the final word in building muscle and strength. Getting more like the old Muscle Media and Bill Phillps every week. No wonder, most of their present staff worked there. So sell overpriced and hyped supplements.

Want a  real buzz than try Red Line. Stronger than a double Cuban expresso. Takes you through a workout and beyond. Creatine (pure grade) does work for most. Some say you need a transfer, some don't. I believe most people do. Studies suggest it also helps brain function and repair,also. Good for older people.

 Pretty much agree with Bruffy and also that Denver omlet idea. Start with good quality food first.  Good Luck.

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« Reply #78 on: October 27, 2006, 10:44:29 AM »
Wasn't Renewtrient a GHB analogue? GBL? That's just a recreational drug... not a supplement really.

Sold as a GH releaser.  If taken correctly it gives you the best and fullest nights sleep you can get.  When abused, it's just another drug.  Like ephedrine, Kava or Valerian but people like this one better.

If any of you guys remember Dan D's Opus diet.  The original Muscle Milk.  The problem was He was so far ahead of his time that fat was one of the worst things in a bodybuilders diet.  We didn't know about the good fats vs. the bad fats yet.   He included 1 or 2 single dose glass vials of Nubian.  No shit, it wasn't illegal at the time and Dan promised it helped overtraining.  What He didn't tell was that it's an opiate and now a sec III drug, like roids or vicodan.  God old Dan, may he rest in peace where ever He is.
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« Reply #79 on: October 27, 2006, 11:34:09 AM »
For me, it has to be Desiccated Liver Tablets!

But only the Argentinian beef derived variety. I can really feel than iron boost working, and it has definite anabolic properties, not sure if it androgenic, but I've definetely felt some agression whilst "on".
On my first cycle, I put on 3lbs, in a month!

I'm sure its only a matter of time until its banned...

But I've heard of this stuff, arginine which stacked with ornithine, is the bomb!

Anybody know where I can get some glandulars? And soy protein? Is it legal, btw?

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Re: THE GREAT SUPPLEMENT/ADVERTISING SCAM
« Reply #80 on: October 27, 2006, 01:01:23 PM »
For me, it has to be Desiccated Liver Tablets!

But only the Argentinian beef derived variety. I can really feel than iron boost working, and it has definite anabolic properties, not sure if it androgenic, but I've definetely felt some agression whilst "on".
On my first cycle, I put on 3lbs, in a month!

I'm sure its only a matter of time until its banned...

But I've heard of this stuff, arginine which stacked with ornithine, is the bomb!

Anybody know where I can get some glandulars? And soy protein? Is it legal, btw?
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« Reply #81 on: October 27, 2006, 01:50:27 PM »
reading this thread made me feel like trying out the supps again, so i just pulled the trigger on some glutamine and creatine....amazon.com surprisingly has both at decent prices too

although i had to throw this filler item in to get the free shipping...

"Big Trouble in Little China (Single Disc Edition)" DVD; $4.97
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« Reply #82 on: October 27, 2006, 01:55:41 PM »
creatine will make your muscle hold a tad more water.  caffeine/energy drinks will wake you up during your workouts.  protein powder will let you get 300 grams a day when you don't have time or money to have those complete meals. supplements are a great aid.

and speaking of supplements, i need some glutamine.  anyone wanna trade a tub for some web work? :)

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« Reply #83 on: October 27, 2006, 02:19:15 PM »
"Big Trouble in Little China (Single Disc Edition)" DVD; $4.97

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« Reply #84 on: October 27, 2006, 02:56:39 PM »
Very good, Special'TrickorTreatSmellmyButt'Ed!

 It all target's the demographics of age 16-24 because by the time they are 24 and haven't figured it out there will be a whole new generation of buyers. It took me a plethora of years to figure it out as well...my life changed two yrs ago when a pro BB who we all know that used to live in WISCONSIN but now lives in TX who's a mega mass monster freak with weird looking pecs told me straight up...the ONLY thing he uses is protein powder and a jug will last him almost two months.

 He told me straight up to SAVE your money and spend it on food and groceries. He reminded me that there are PLENTY of quality stage worthy physiques and 500lb + benchpressers and 700lb squatters in PRISON, some having over 19 arms and they have 3 crappy starchy carbohydrate meals with mystery meat for protein daily and NO access to any supps. MAYBE a multi vitamin if they are lucky.

 Now I save lots of money and just use a protein powder(Pride Nutrition) Liquid Egg Whites(E.W.I.), creatine(Pride) and Mens multi(Pride). That's it. Holla!

blockhead, I agree with you..one small point that you forget to mention...are not natty, so clearly you are in a different boat

but yes, everything else you say is true
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Re: THE GREAT SUPPLEMENT/ADVERTISING SCAM
« Reply #85 on: October 27, 2006, 05:27:59 PM »
Is the fact that the FDA doesn't regulate supps the reason why many marketing techniques are false advertising?  Have any supplement companies ever been targeted for false advertising claims before?

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« Reply #86 on: October 27, 2006, 05:48:20 PM »
All the time. Muscletech and Xenadrine were the last two big names i can think of that had class action lawsuits successfully brought against them in the past year or so
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« Reply #87 on: October 27, 2006, 05:51:50 PM »
I fell for it once when I got started as a kid in '92 with cybergentics..  120 bucks, it came with the video tape and some pills and some before and after pics of "people that got huge on this in 2 months"  As a kid 120 bucks is some big bucks.. 

Shit, as a kid, I fell for the Weider protein powder. God that was fucking awful!




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« Reply #88 on: October 27, 2006, 06:04:52 PM »
Any of you hear of "Advocare"?  A friend of mine sells it (and of course swears by it)...it's suppose to be "clean" or "regulated" and athletes (he tells me) are encouraged to use this line in the NCAA versus any other products that could be "tainted".

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« Reply #89 on: October 27, 2006, 07:43:25 PM »
FWIW, from todays Yahoo home page:

[url]Americans Fall Prey to Weight-Loss Supplement 'Hype' By Bruce Sylvester
HealthDay Reporter Fri Oct 27, 7:04 PM ET

FRIDAY, Oct. 27 (HealthDay News) -- American adults think weight-loss supplements are safer and more effective than they actually are, researchers report in a new national survey.
 
More than 60 percent of the 1,444 telephone respondents, all of whom had made significant efforts to lose weight, mistakenly said that such supplements have been tested and are proven to be safe (65 percent) and effective (63 percent).

Over half (54 percent) wrongly stated that such supplements are approved by the U.S.  Food and Drug Administration.

"FDA-approved drugs for weight loss have gone through years of testing with thousands of patients to prove that they are safe and effective. Supplements have not," said Thomas Wadden, president of North American Association for the Study of Obesity-The Obesity Society. "And this survey sounds the alarm that most Americans have the wrong idea about the safety and efficacy of these supplements."

There are currently no over-the-counter drugs for weight loss approved by the FDA.

The survey, conducted by the University of Connecticut's Center for Survey Research & Analysis (CSRA), was presented this week at the Obesity Society's annual meeting, in Boston.

The poll was funded by drug maker GlaxoSmithKline, which makes the prescription weight loss drug orlistat, brand named Xenical. Earlier this year, GlaxoSmithKline received conditional FDA approval for an over-the-counter version of the drug, to be sold as Alli.

Other significant findings of the survey include:

34 percent of Americans who have tried to lose weight have used dietary supplements in one or more attempts, double the number who have used FDA-approved prescription medications.
Supplements are used by a higher proportion of blacks (49 percent) and Hispanics (42 percent) than whites (31 percent)
Only 30 percent of respondents said that they would speak to a physician about losing weight, even though 87 percent of them have a primary-care physician and 92 percent see their doctor at least once a year.

"The survey shows many Americans want to and will try to lose weight without a doctor's help and without a prescription medication," said investigator Saul Shiffman, a professor of psychology at the University of Pittsburgh. "To maximize their success, overweight Americans need to be informed about products that have been proven effective, and to use effective products and methods, to increase the effectiveness of Americans' dieting efforts, and improve their health and well-being."

On the same day and at the same meeting, leaders in the obesity field announced a national initiative to attack misleading advertising of weight loss diet supplements, publishing a White Paper call-to-action.

Richard Cleland, assistant director of the U.S. Federal Trade Commissions Division of Advertising Practices said, "This 'White Paper' announcement is a very important step in addressing the obesity epidemic, because what we need, and have been sorely lacking, in a multi-pronged approach to weight-loss fraud in the United States. The weight-loss fraud battle cannot be won by law enforcement alone. Consumers need to learn and to respond."

"We stand for help not hype in the face of the global epidemic of obesity," said MRC Greenwood, a professor of nutrition and internal medicine at the University of California at Davis and member of the newly launched Reality Initiative Council.

The national initiative calls for:

Health-care professionals to teach patients about realistic weight loss goals and to discourage the use of untested and unproven diet products.
Enforcement by governmental regulators of existing laws and regulations pertaining to products making unsubstantiated weight-loss claims.
Communication by the media of potential consequences of use of unverified weight loss products.

"We choose to approach the obesity epidemic by first attacking something specific, the hype of weight-loss products that creates a climate of failure," said Greenwood. "And we believe that by keeping the effort closely targeted and working closely with researchers, clinicians and the media, we can produce concrete results and begin to save lives."


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Re: THE GREAT SUPPLEMENT/ADVERTISING SCAM
« Reply #90 on: October 28, 2006, 09:41:25 AM »
ripped fuel was the shit. i honestly lost 15 lbs in high school taking only 2/3 of the recommended dosages.  why ephedrine is banned is beyond me.  obviously more people abuse food than weight loss pills.  why don't they ban people who are extremely obese from visiting mcdonalds or ordering pizza.  i think that would save more lives than taking ephedra off the market.  sure there's a small amount of people who abuse ephedra but there's probably about 10x the number of people abusing other otc drugs and such.  not to mention that alcohol kills who knows how many people everyday and it's cheapest legal drug around.  why's ephedra banned again?
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« Reply #91 on: October 28, 2006, 11:17:26 AM »
I concur. Gaspari doesn't make a bad product. Do they have a protein formula if not will they? Their M.One.T was a bad mofo!!! I know guys who used to grind that up and mix it with homemade tren and shoot it.

Yeah they do, it's called IntraPro.  I have never used it but there hasn't been one product I've tried by gaspari that I haven't liked.  That M1T was really good.  Right now I'm taking 1 Halodrol 50 with 2 Halodrol Liquids.  I just started taking it 3 days ago and I'm already feeling positive effects.  I would recommend his stuff to anyone.  Check out the website gasparinutrition.com

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« Reply #92 on: October 28, 2006, 11:20:12 AM »
I got a free gasparinutrition T-shirt from a getbig member and it is absolutely my favorite shirt now.  The SizeOn was good... but the shirt is great!

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Re: THE GREAT SUPPLEMENT/ADVERTISING SCAM
« Reply #93 on: October 29, 2006, 02:23:55 AM »
Scam indeed....
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