Author Topic: THE GREAT SUPPLEMENT/ADVERTISING SCAM (Read 20377 times)

Jr. Yates · « **Reply #50 on:** October 26, 2006, 03:40:36 PM »

Quote from: Rudee on October 26, 2006, 03:35:36 PM

I actually got great results by mixing MetRx with Optimum Nutrition 100% whey protein power 50:50 ratio. I can't explain it, but for some odd reason mixing the two together gave me fantastic gains. Haven't used MetRx in a few years though, but still have a 5lb tub of protein powder on the counter.

Is met rx even still around??

rayrod · « **Reply #51 on:** October 26, 2006, 03:42:23 PM »

whatever happened to Franco Santorellio? I remember that he was pretty thick. I know he worked for Parillo some years back.

Jr. Yates · « **Reply #52 on:** October 26, 2006, 03:44:19 PM »

Quote from: rayrod on October 26, 2006, 03:42:23 PM

whatever happened to Franco Santorellio? I remember that he was pretty thick. I know he worked for Parillo some years back.

so did Newman.

barnabas · « **Reply #53 on:** October 26, 2006, 03:57:16 PM »

Most supps are a waste of money. I agree that you may as well save your money for the real deal than waste it on prohormones/prosteroids. The one company that I feel really puts out a good product is Gaspari Nutrition. That's just my opinion. His stuff has worked well for me.(super pump 250, novaldex, haladrol 50) Those work IMO. So if you can acquire any gear those are decent alternatives.

Blockhead · « **Reply #54 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:02:28 PM »

Quote from: barnabas on October 26, 2006, 03:57:16 PM

Most supps are a waste of money. I agree that you may as well save your money for the real deal than waste it on prohormones/prosteroids. The one company that I feel really puts out a good product is Gaspari Nutrition. That's just my opinion. His stuff has worked well for me.(super pump 250, novaldex, haladrol 50) Those work IMO. So if you can acquire any gear those are decent alternatives.

I concur. Gaspari doesn't make a bad product. Do they have a protein formula if not will they? Their M.One.T was a bad mofo!!! I know guys who used to grind that up and mix it with homemade tren and shoot it.

chris_mason · « **Reply #55 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:03:24 PM »

I agree that most companies make bogus claims and sell crap products. That is why I started my company. We only sell the highest quality products that work as claimed (note - as claimed - we don't make goofy claims).

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #56 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:11:41 PM »

Quote from: chris_mason on October 26, 2006, 04:03:24 PM

I agree that most companies make bogus claims and sell crap products. That is why I started my company. We only sell the highest quality products that work as claimed (note - as claimed - we don't make goofy claims).

"Guaranteed to give you more body hair than Bigfoot and provide the energy to work 2,349 hours a week!"

Blockhead · « **Reply #57 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:18:29 PM »

Quote from: chris_mason on October 26, 2006, 04:03:24 PM

I agree that most companies make bogus claims and sell crap products. That is why I started my company. We only sell the highest quality products that work as claimed (note - as claimed - we don't make goofy claims).

Hey Chris...what say you on the marketing techniques of MuscleTech? As a buisnessman and owner...what is your stance with their slick advertorials and their claims and imagery?

chris_mason · « **Reply #58 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:23:31 PM »

Quote from: TheBlockHead on October 26, 2006, 04:18:29 PM

Hey Chris...what say you on the marketing techniques of MuscleTech? As a buisnessman and owner...what is your stance with their slick advertorials and their claims and imagery?

I will speak about the supplement industry in general. I think there are too many wild and/or bogus claims made about supplements. That's really it in a nutshell and again why I started AtLarge. My thought has always been that people will respect integrity and our no-nonsense approach.

columbusdude82 · « **Reply #59 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:26:32 PM »

I try to educate some kids at my gym... sometimes you hit a brick wall ("no way man, protein will make my dick shrink"...), sometimes you just can't deprogram their brainwashed little heads ("NO explode makes me explode man... look how i'm benching 135!!!), and sometimes you get a kid to save his money and spend it on food and real supplements...

I wish so many meatheads out there would wisen up. Would you do business with a company that scams you and insults your intelligence? If not, why do you keep buying this shit from supplement companies that take you for a fool and use false advertising?!

Yes yes I know.... meltdown...

Blockhead · « **Reply #60 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:27:38 PM »

Ooooh...nice! Good man! Good buisness man. You answered like a politician. Instead of zeroing in on that EXACT company I was speaking of you directed it to the WHOLE industry. You never know who's reading, right?

They say you attract more bee's with honey...

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #61 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:30:41 PM »

Quote from: chris_mason on October 26, 2006, 04:23:31 PM

I will speak about the supplement industry in general. I think there are too many wild and/or bogus claims made about supplements. That's really it in a nutshell and again why I started AtLarge. My thought has always been that people will respect integrity and our no-nonsense approach.

Is that why you sponsor guys with shitty genetics like Rhino... you feel it gives the average Joe a more realistic picture of what he can expect to achieve?

Blockhead · « **Reply #62 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:31:03 PM »

Quote from: columbusdude82 on October 26, 2006, 04:26:32 PM

I try to educate some kids at my gym... sometimes you hit a brick wall ("no way man, protein will make my dick shrink"...), sometimes you just can't deprogram their brainwashed little heads ("NO explode makes me explode man... look how i'm benching 135!!!), and sometimes you get a kid to save his money and spend it on food and real supplements...

I wish so many meatheads out there would wisen up. Would you do business with a company that scams you and insults your intelligence? If not, why do you keep buying this shit from supplement companies that take you for a fool and use false advertising?!

Yes yes I know.... meltdown...

Good post.

natural al · « **Reply #63 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:34:12 PM »

back when I worked at a shop one of the guys was about 6'2 and maybe 140lbs. He wanted to gain weight and came in with 2 tubs of creatine. I asked him what that was for and he said it was going to get him up to 200lbs. I told him it would never work cause he has no muscle to begin with and he didn't even work out. That same day for lunch he had 1/2 a sandwich for luch. I just looked at him and shook my head.

chris_mason · « **Reply #64 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:34:32 PM »

Quote from: TheBlockHead on October 26, 2006, 04:27:38 PM

Ooooh...nice! Good man! Good buisness man. You answered like a politician. Instead of zeroing in on that EXACT company I was speaking of you directed it to the WHOLE industry. You never know who's reading, right?

They say you attract more bee's with honey...

No, unfortunately in this day and age you never know who will SUE. The more you have the more people look to take it away. You know, those who can't do try to leech...

mar10s · « **Reply #65 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:41:15 PM »

Hey Thebockhead...when you talked to the ex Wisconsinite, did he mention at all if he was still pushing Vitargo? I know when i'd go to his store up here, he really talked it up and said he just used that and like you said, very little protein powder. Just curious. But i agree with you, nutrition and just plain lifting hard and smart is the key.

Blockhead · « **Reply #66 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:43:11 PM »

Tru...Tru...

Just checked your website out. I like your mission ststement. Saw the link to 'wannabebig' forum.

I'll pay attention to you guys. I'm all for the companies that are in to be honest and straight with their customers not TRICK them using warm colors, psychology and sex.

I'll buy a tub of 'Nitrean' if you guys are at the ASC.

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #67 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:48:11 PM »

Quote from: TheBlockHead on October 26, 2006, 04:43:11 PM

I'll buy a tub of 'Nitrean' if you guys are at the ASC.

It'll put hair on yer chest!

Blockhead · « **Reply #68 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:49:40 PM »

Quote from: mar10s on October 26, 2006, 04:41:15 PM

Hey Thebockhead...when you talked to the ex Wisconsinite, did he mention at all if he was still pushing Vitargo? I know when i'd go to his store up here, he really talked it up and said he just used that and like you said, very little protein powder. Just curious. But i agree with you, nutrition and just plain lifting hard and smart is the key.

Hahahahahaha! No he didn't. He said that at his shop and being under contract with a supp company...all he got was free supps for his shop and they paid his plane and hotel tickets ONLY for the ASC...and 'O'.

Lot's of people are under the impression when a BB gets a supp contract that they automatically get fortune and glory. That's hardly ever the case.

He didn't mention Vitargo. This was 3 yrs ago...I took him to get some food in between a guest posing gig he did before the nightshow. Kind of off record but he said it...just protein powder "IF HE REMEMBERS". He gave me the jailhouse, prison inmate lecture and what they are able to achieve and pointed to his double Denver Omlet with german pancake on the side and said..."this is what works".

chris_mason · « **Reply #69 on:** October 26, 2006, 04:59:30 PM »

We may be there Blockhead. We have not yet made a final decision as the Olympia took a big chunk out of our funds for such matters. I appreciate the props and the possibility of you becoming a customer.

As a reference to our mission statement EVERY single one of our athletes or customers pictured on our site TRULY USE our products. We have no bogus testimonials or outlandish claims from any of them.

El_Spiko · « **Reply #70 on:** October 26, 2006, 05:13:29 PM »

Quote from: chris_mason on October 26, 2006, 04:34:32 PM

No, unfortunately in this day and age you never know who will SUE.

LOL it's a good thing that MT never hears all the crap that's said about them around the BSN offices

Undercover Supp Guy · « **Reply #71 on:** October 26, 2006, 05:46:18 PM »

Quote from: ARMZ on October 26, 2006, 01:16:40 PM

They put roids in the supps now.. I heard that in the gym last night..

You never know... I just heard they put Viagra in Nasutra.

Bruffy · « **Reply #72 on:** October 26, 2006, 09:12:03 PM »

Supplements are such a scam. I have been lifting for 3 years. I learned quickly that most of my gains came from the following items:
1. Food in the form of eggs, chicken, beef, turkey, fish, veggies, fruits, etc.
2. H20
3. Protein powder
4. Glutamine
5. Multivitamin
6. Consistency
7. Rest

Does anyone the supplement called "Ultimate Orange"?

tommywishbone · « **Reply #73 on:** October 26, 2006, 09:31:00 PM »

Does anyone (remember) the supplement called "Ultimate Orange"?
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Many members here loved Ultimate Orange. They should be jumping in the thread soon. I though it was good but had a bit too steep of a dose-response curve. I preferred Ripped Fuel.

andydude00 · « **Reply #74 on:** October 26, 2006, 09:51:56 PM »

The only supplement I really saw results for was glutamine ( i didn't lose as much mass when dieting). So noone here has had any results with anything else?