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ive never gotten a good answer to this question. why do libs start crying when you mention 2000 volunteer soldiers killed in a nobel cause, but 1.3 million babies are aborted a year with no problem. which ones worse? so if you dont support the war thats fine,but how is it possible that you feel that a soldier cant be killed but babie can?
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its not a pizza till you put it in the oven
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ive never gotten a good answer to this question. why do libs start crying when you mention 2000 volunteer soldiers killed in a nobel cause, but 1.3 million babies are aborted a year with no problem. which ones worse? so if you dont support the war thats fine,but how is it possible that you feel that a soldier cant be killed but babie can?
This is just an assumption based on your post but I'm guessing you're not particularly intelligent. By the way, it's noble not nobel. Nobel was an inventor and businessman who created dynamite and then founded the Nobel Peace Prize.
Oh, and if you really believe the war in Iraq is noble then I've got a beautiful bridge to sell you. ::)
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By liberals I assume you mean Democrats, as opposed to Liberals (which is a political centre party in Canada), however I think your logic is flawed because it makes the assumption that all democrats are pro-choice, which clearly is not the case. Your premise is further flawed because it assumes the War in Iraq is noble. There are many who would disagree.
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ive never gotten a good answer to this question. why do libs start crying when you mention 2000 volunteer soldiers killed in a nobel cause, but 1.3 million babies are aborted a year with no problem. which ones worse? so if you dont support the war thats fine,but how is it possible that you feel that a soldier cant be killed but babie can?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH
Don't forget the estimated 300,000 to 600,000 Iraqis that have died since the war we started. (far more than Sadaam ever killed in even a ten year period)
The "drone" convention is coming to a town near you, so don't worry, you'll have new things you are told to hate.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH
Don't forget the estimated 300,000 to 600,000 Iraqis that have died since the war we started. (far more than Sadaam ever killed in even a ten year period)
The "drone" convention is coming to a town near you, so don't worry, you'll have new things you are told to hate.
That might be his "noble cause" ::) ;D
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH
Don't forget the estimated 300,000 to 600,000 Iraqis that have died since the war we started. (far more than Sadaam ever killed in even a ten year period)
The "drone" convention is coming to a town near you, so don't worry, you'll have new things you are told to hate.
Not the bogus dead Iraqi numbers . . .
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Not the bogus dead Iraqi numbers . . .
Present valid numbers.
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i didnt realize i was being graded for grammer you dork. im not making any assumptions. this question is for people who believe in abortion but not war. i didnt say all liberals are pro choice. i said the soldiers where noble, not the war. again, ive never got an answer to this. by the way ieffinhate cardio, remember when i said kenny rogers was up to something, and you said i was an idiot?
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Present valid numbers.
lol. Oh sure. Be right back . . . .
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This is just an assumption based on your post but I'm guessing you're not particularly intelligent. By the way, it's noble not nobel. Nobel was an inventor and businessman who created dynamite and then founded the Nobel Peace Prize.
Oh, and if you really believe the war in Iraq is noble then I've got a beautiful bridge to sell you. ::)
I guess saving people from genocide isn't noble :-\??
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lol. Oh sure. Be right back . . . .
Hopkins has it at 600,000.
US Generals have put it at 50,000.
Fifty thousand dead people is still a pretty big number.
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I guess saving people from genocide isn't noble :-\??
Which genocide?
Kurds? Was Sadaam activly and systimatically killing the estimated milliions of kurds in Iraq? How many had he killed? Or did he gas them killing a few hundred or ev en a few thousand 1 time and that's what you call a genocide? please explain the genocide exactly in detail with facts that was going on there.
Or are talking when Clinton tried to prevent Genocide in Bosnia?
Which Mr I.?
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Hopkins has it at 600,000.
US Generals have put it at 50,000.
Fifty thousand dead people is still a pretty big number.
One is a big number. Who killed them?
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One is a big number. Who killed them?
Here's a question (s):
Do you think the American military would be truthful about how many civilians died as a result of our invasion? And would they be truthful about how many poeple have died there since our invasion?
Like they were truthful in Vietnam about VC deaths? I just a watched a story on that on the Military channel about how bogus all that was.
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i didnt realize i was being graded for grammer you dork. im not making any assumptions. this question is for people who believe in abortion but not war. i didnt say all liberals are pro choice. i said the soldiers where noble, not the war. again, ive never got an answer to this. by the way ieffinhate cardio, remember when i said kenny rogers was up to something, and you said i was an idiot?
Then perhaps you should have titled the subject thread "q for people who believe in abortion but not war" and you might get an answer. BTW you did say the war was noble (even if you didn't mean to)
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Do you think the American military would be truthful about how many civilians died as a results of our invasion? And would they be truthful about how many poeple have died there since our invasion?
LOL... dude, beach bum believes everything the White house says.
Monster Tony Snowjob.
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Then perhaps you should have titled the subject thread "q for people who believe in abortion but not war" and you might get an answer. BTW you did say the war was noble (even if you didn't mean to)
It should have read: "Question from a drone"
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Here's a question (s):
Do you think the American military would be truthful about how many civilians died as a result of our invasion? And would they be truthful about how many poeple have died there since our invasion?
Like they were truthful in Vietnam about VC deaths? I just a watched a story on that on the Military channel about how bogus all that was.
I don't know. Like you pointed out, we have a history of lying. Agent Orange is another. I think we would probably do everything we can to underreport collateral damage and liberal lapdogs will do everything they can to inflate collateral damage.
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I don't know. Like you pointed out, we have a history of lying. Agent Orange is another. I think we would probably do everything we can to underreport collateral damage and liberal lapdogs will do everything they can to inflate collateral damage.
Ok so that leaves us somewhere between 50,000 to 600,000. Let's say it's around 100,000 poeple. If 100,000 died in Iraq in any 3 year span from 1991 to 2003 do you think we had known about it? Do you think the international community, red cross etc... would have found out? How about that many in the last 12 years?
You see that's a lot of people. It's very hard to hide that kind of number. My Point is: Sadaam wasn't killing that many. Yes, he was killing people, but not in the ten of thousands like we have indirectly and directly done with our "noble cuase" ;)
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Ok so that leaves us somewhere between 50,000 to 600,000. Let's say it's around 100,000 poeple. If 100,000 died in Iraq in any 3 year span from 1991 to 2003 do you think we had known about it? Do you think the international community, red cross etc... would have found out? How about that many in the last 12 years?
You see that's a lot of people. It's very hard to hide that kind of number. My Point is: Sadaam wasn't killing that many. Yes, he was killing people, but not in the ten of thousands like we have indirectly and directly done with our "noble cuase" ;)
Ozmo I see a couple of problems with that line of thinking:
1. Whatever the number is, you're assuming we killed them.
2. Information does not flow freely at all in dictatorships. The dictator controls all of the information the comes in and goes out. I have no idea how many people Sadaam murdered, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was thousands.
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Ozmo I see a couple of problems with that line of thinking:
1. Whatever the number is, you're assuming we killed them.
2. Information does not flow freely at all in dictatorships. The dictator controls all of the information the comes in and goes out. I have no idea how many people Sadaam murdered, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was thousands.
No, the logic here is that if we didn't go through with our "noble cuase" or was it our "WMD cuase", oh i forget ::), anyways, those people wouldn;t have died from the resulting insurgency and collateral damge from our invasion.
Information would not have come from the "dictatorship" How do you think we know about mass killings in Chetznia (sp?), Africa, Bosnia? The word gets out. Iraq was no where locked down like N. Korea is now and even then if N. Korea started killing 10k people per year we would have heard about it.
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The US didn't kill most of them.
However we did prevent a strong central govt (read dictatorship) from coming to power and settle everyone the fuck down.
They see democracy as a void- a chance to kill their enemies (invader and tribal) and get paid thru pillaging until the next boss comes in and they get back to work.
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When we invaded Baghdad, we allowed the many ministries to be raided, looted, burned, etc. Guess which one we guarded with tanks?
The Ministry of Oil.
ya know, I bet if many govt and military buildings hadn't been destroyed post-invasion, we might have been able to rebuild faster.
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There is a common misconception that dictatorships lie to the people. They don't. Only democracies do that. In a dictatorship, there is no need to lie, ...you can let the people know exactly what you're doing, ...cause there's nothing they can do about it.
It is Western style democracies that lie to their people. They can't let the public know what they're really doing, ...because the public will demand they put an end to nefarious activities. That's why there is so much mis-information, lies, censorship, and outright propaganda in a democracy, ...in order to manipulate public opinion into blindly supporting secret agendas that are not often revealed to them
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There is a common misconception that dictatorships lie to the people. They don't. Only democracies do that. In a dictatorship, there is no need to lie, ...you can let the people know exactly what you're doing, ...cause there's nothing they can do about it.
It is Western style democracies that lie to their people. They can't let the public know what they're really doing, ...because the public will demand they put an end to nefarious activities. That's why there is so much mis-information, lies, censorship, and outright propaganda in a democracy, ...in order to manipulate public opinion into blindly supporting secret agendas that are not often revealed to them
Fidel, Saddam, Jong Il, Gorbachev...none of these dictators ever lie(d)?
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ive never gotten a good answer to this question. why do libs start crying when you mention 2000 volunteer soldiers killed in a nobel cause, but 1.3 million babies are aborted a year with no problem. which ones worse? so if you dont support the war thats fine,but how is it possible that you feel that a soldier cant be killed but babie can?
You're a fucking dumbasss, so I don't really blame you if you can't distinguish between a few developing cells and a complex organism.
By your logic everyone should feel gulity when they scratch themselves because by doing so they are killing skin cells. ;D
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There is a common misconception that dictatorships lie to the people. They don't. Only democracies do that. In a dictatorship, there is no need to lie, ...you can let the people know exactly what you're doing, ...cause there's nothing they can do about it.
It is Western style democracies that lie to their people. They can't let the public know what they're really doing, ...because the public will demand they put an end to nefarious activities. That's why there is so much mis-information, lies, censorship, and outright propaganda in a democracy, ...in order to manipulate public opinion into blindly supporting secret agendas that are not often revealed to them
Spoken like a true socialist.
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Fidel, Saddam, Jong Il, Gorbachev...none of these dictators ever lie(d)?
Of course they do, but the lies spewed out by the United States government is on par with those above mentioned dictators.
It's pretty sad. People like you buy these lies hook, line and sinker. What's even worse is that deep down inside you probably know the current administration is way out of line, yet you'll still defend them and try and turn everything into a liberal v. conservative issue, and then claim that you're right. This is despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, as well domestic and international protest.
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Overwhelming evidence of what? All I hear from liberals is "WMDs." That's about the only issue liberals have to run on. No talk about taxes. No discussion of rising interest rates. No mention of how to increase home ownership. Just "WMDs." They have no message.
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Oh! I'm sorry, CJ, did you say something to me? ::)
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Overwhelming evidence of what? All I hear from liberals is "WMDs." That's about the only issue liberals have to run on. No talk about taxes. No discussion of rising interest rates. No mention of how to increase home ownership. Just "WMDs." They have no message.
Let's talk about the Republicans tried to privatize social security... >:( Let's talk about the huge national debt..
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Let's talk about the Republicans tried to privatize social security... >:( Let's talk about the huge national debt..
O.K. Talk.
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Oh! I'm sorry, CJ, did you say something to me? ::)
Chicken shit.
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Chicken shit.
This would be a first that I've ever been called that. lol
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Camel did you vote for Bush or Kerry?
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Camel did you vote for Bush or Kerry?
I was 17 during the '04 elections. >:( But I guess you were asking to show my age, as if that renders my points and opinions invalid.
One thing for sure is that I'm gonna vote Democrat in '08 as I want to do more than just whine on an internet forum.
Anyways, wrestling is on!
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I was 17 during the '04 elections. >:( But I guess you were asking to show my age, as if that renders my points and opinions invalid.
One thing for sure is that I'm gonna vote Democrat in '08 as I want to do more than just whine on an internet forum.
Anyways, wrestling is on!
Who me? Am I that transparent? ;D
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I was 17 during the '04 elections. >:( But I guess you were asking to show my age, as if that renders my points and opinions invalid.
One thing for sure is that I'm gonna vote Democrat in '08 as I want to do more than just whine on an internet forum.
Anyways, wrestling is on!
CJ, you don't have to wait until 08, ...there's an election coming up in just over a week. You can start now. :D
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CJ, you don't have to wait until 08, ...there's an election coming up in just over a week. You can start now. :D
Yeah, just think, he can vote to screw up the country before 08'.....great idea :D!!
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Overwhelming evidence of what? All I hear from liberals is "WMDs." That's about the only issue liberals have to run on. No talk about taxes. No discussion of rising interest rates. No mention of how to increase home ownership. Just "WMDs." They have no message.
Ok let's discuss rising interest rates.... After 6 years with Bush in the white house, and Republican control of both houses, the national debt is haigher, interest rates are rising.... Is that the democrats fault?
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i didnt realize i was being graded for grammer you dork. im not making any assumptions. this question is for people who believe in abortion but not war. i didnt say all liberals are pro choice. i said the soldiers where noble, not the war. again, ive never got an answer to this. by the way ieffinhate cardio, remember when i said kenny rogers was up to something, and you said i was an idiot?
OK, I'm going to be nice because I'm starting to believe you're a kid. First, I corrected your spelling not your grammar, they are two seperate and distinct things.
You never made the distinction that the soldiers were noble you said a "noble cause" which clearly suggests you were talking about the war itself and not the nobility of the soldiers.
Also, you said Kenny Rogers was throwing 94 and I told you the only way that was possible was if the radar gun was tweaked, I don't remember you saying anything about pinetar. And didn't you say that you weren't a Yankee fan in that thread? Your avatar over at MD is a Yankee logo, that's curious. When you factor in that you didn't know Fenway was NEVER considered friendly to lefthanded hitters and that Yankee stadium IS it's almost unfathomable that you would be a Yankee fan. No true Yankee fan would be so clueless.
Why anyone would attempt to defend that war is beyond me. Is it really that hard to say Bush made a mistake? It's like dealing with petulant 8 year olds. And comparing the war to abortion rights? ::)
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Yeah, just think, he can vote to screw up the country before 08'.....great idea :D!!
bullshit the peoples vote doesnt count anyway
and the country is already fucked up thanks to captain dumbass(bush) so whats the worse he can do by voting
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Spoken like a true socialist.
If you find error in my post, why don't you point it out rather than resort to childish name calling
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Fidel, Saddam, Jong Il, Gorbachev...none of these dictators ever lie(d)?
I was speaking about day-to-day MOs of dictatorships in general (not any one dictator in particular) vs. day-to-day MO's in a western democracy ...however, I would enjoy hearing you elaborate further on lies these particular heads of state you name said.
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I was speaking about day-to-day MOs of dictatorships in general (not any one dictator in particular) vs. day-to-day MO's in a western democracy ...however, I would enjoy hearing you elaborate further on lies these particular heads of state you name said.
They all still lie JAg, They just don't have to be very subtle about it like in the US.
For example in a if America was a Dictatorship we would manfacture the WMD evidence. :D
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If you find error in my post, why don't you point it out rather than resort to childish name calling
There is nothing childish about calling you a socialist. I believe you are a socialist.
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Ok let's discuss rising interest rates.... After 6 years with Bush in the white house, and Republican control of both houses, the national debt is haigher, interest rates are rising.... Is that the democrats fault?
The rising interest rates are the "fault" of the chair of the federal reserve, who thought it was a good idea. Cannot really fault him. Greenspan did a good job. Not sure how the new guy will fare. I'm not sure who to blame for the rising national debt. If all of the budget bills were party line votes, I'd say the Republicans take most of the blame. I doubt that's the case.
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They all still lie JAg, They just don't have to be very subtle about it like in the US.
Ya that's kind of what I meant. In a dictatorship, it doesn't matter 'cause there's nothing they can do about it.
For example in a if America was a Dictatorship we would manfacture the WMD evidence. :D
Didn't those 500 stale duds passed of as WMD's by the Limbaugh groupies all say "Made in the USA"?
Even though the USA manufactured those WMD's, I hardly think that could classify as having manufactured WMD's thereby making America a dictatorship. oh no... if America was a dictatorship, her leader would repeatedly do things and engage in conduct that would be considered very Un-American based upon standards set by the US Constitution, and anyone who opposed could be taken off in the dead of night, held indefinitely, without trial, without charge, without the protection of habeus corpus... um, wait a minute... nevermind. :-[
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I'm not sure who to blame for the rising national debt. If all of the budget bills were party line votes, I'd say the Republicans take most of the blame. I doubt that's the case.
:o :o :o Do you have any idea how much the war is costing, or who is paying for it,
...and who is going to continue to be paying for it? I know you don't have grandchildren or great grandchildren yet, ...so you'll just have to substitute with your own kids, ...but can you look them in the eyes and tell them why you so happily support encumbering them and their offspring for generations to come with monumental debtloads?
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Ya that's kind of what I meant. In a dictatorship, it doesn't matter 'cause there's nothing they can do about it.
Didn't those 500 stale duds passed of as WMD's by the Limbaugh groupies all say "Made in the USA"?
Even though the USA manufactured those WMD's, I hardly think that could classify as having manufactured WMD's thereby making America a dictatorship. oh no... if America was a dictatorship, her leader would repeatedly do things and engage in conduct that would be considered very Un-American based upon standards set by the US Constitution, and anyone who opposed could be taken off in the dead of night, held indefinitely, without trial, without charge, without the protection of habeus corpus... um, wait a minute... nevermind. :-[
No, those 500 duds don't. It would have been something that experts would have agreed was a WMD and dangerous. Also to, if we were a dictatorship, Every liberal post would be held against us in here and we'd be carted off. We are not a dictatorship or even close to one. But there have been steps taken in that direction but we are far from it. In years to come we will take steps in the opposite direction.
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No, those 500 duds don't. It would have been something that experts would have agreed was a WMD and dangerous. Also to, if we were a dictatorship, Every liberal post would be held against us in here
Guffaw! Like that's not happening now? Sha right! {lol}
We are not a dictatorship or even close to one. But there have been steps taken in that direction but we are far from it. In years to come we will take steps in the opposite direction.
:o :o :o Years?! Dude, you don't have to wait years! There's an election coming up in just over a week. Start then
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Guffaw! Like that's not happening now? Sha right! {lol}
:o :o :o Years?! Dude, you don't have to wait years! There's an election coming up in just over a week. Start then
Well, there a black helicopter hovering over my house right now! :P
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:o :o :o Do you have any idea how much the war is costing, or who is paying for it,
...and who is going to continue to be paying for it? I know you don't have grandchildren or great grandchildren yet, ...so you'll just have to substitute with your own kids, ...but can you look them in the eyes and tell them why you so happily support encumbering them and their offspring for generations to come with monumental debtloads?
I can't speak for my unborn grandchildren, but if you're asking me whether I can I look my two oldest daughters in the eye, both of whom have expressed a desire join the military (with no urging from me), the answer is "yes."
We were in debt before the war, would have been in debt without the war, and will likely be in debt for years to come.
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I can't speak for my unborn grandchildren, but if you're asking me whether I can I look my two oldest daughters in the eye, both of whom have expressed a desire join the military (with no urging from me), the answer is "yes."
Two trillion dollars with long term health care costs. For what, again?
We were in debt before the war, would have been in debt without the war, and will likely be in debt for years to come.
There is a really big crash coming, my friend. Diversify your holdings.
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CJ, you don't have to wait until 08, ...there's an election coming up in just over a week. You can start now. :D
George W showed us what new Republicans are all about. :o Theres no excuse for backing that party anymore.
Voting Democrat all the way in Nov. :)
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Two trillion dollars with long term health care costs. For what, again?
There is a really big crash coming, my friend. Diversify your holdings.
Already done.
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Yeah, just think, he can vote to screw up the country before 08'.....great idea :D!!
The country is already screwed up! I'll vote in people who will hopefully fix it.