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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: candidate2025 on November 10, 2006, 02:43:39 PM
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every gram of carbohydrate = 4 calories. (http://diet.ivillage.com/plans/plowcal/0,,gdf,00.html)
one hour of hard working out = 700-1000 calories burned.(http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=10289)
if you consume 250 grams of carbohydrates once daily 2 hours before you workout...you will then burn off all those carbohydrates to lift, and after wards you will return right back to a state of ketosis untill the next day when you consume your pre workout carbs (as long as you dont consume anything but clean protein all day long). this means you can get off-season lifting intensity and strength, with pre contest fat-loss.
your thoughts?
i have been doing something along these lines for about 3 months and have lost 30 lbs but have gotten stronger on most exercises. the only diffderence being i consume only about 90 grams of carbohydrates pre workout, and in the morning i eat half a piece of wheat toast....which im now going to cancel out and d to the pre workout meal.
i know this belongs on nutrition board, but i want a big response to this, as i believe it is quite a big theory.
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this sort of goes along with the adonis principles as well...becuase it doent really matter what your source of carbs are as long as they are the same amount of grams...and you consume them at the right time. (for ice creams and such you would want to eat them like a half hour before you workout, since they are so simple.....)
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f**k up fatty take it to the nutrition board
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Eat consistently and cleanly, cheat once in awhile for sanity, train hard and consistently, cardio consistently....keep it simple.
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You arnt going to burning anywhere near a 1000 calories with an hour of lifting weights, you'd struggle to burn that jogging for an hour.
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you guys frustrate me. please comment on said theory. i didnt ask for a diet plan, or your thoughts on the calorie intake.....just comment on the theory that all you need to do is eat the amount of carbs you are going t burn before your workout, and thats it. that way you are in constant ketosis all day long except during the time you want to gain muscle (when you are lifting)...tghatw ay you can cut all the fat away while still gaining muscle; thus contradicting everything youve ever been told and learned when it comes to bodybuilding.
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you guys frustrate me. please comment on said theory. i didnt ask for a diet plan, or your thoughts on the calorie intake.....just comment on the theory that all you need to do is eat the amount of carbs you are going t burn before your workout, and thats it. that way you are in constant ketosis all day long except during the time you want to gain muscle (when you are lifting)...tghatw ay you can cut all the fat away while still gaining muscle; thus contradicting everything youve ever been told and learned when it comes to bodybuilding.
Again tell me how you will burn your 1000 calories in an hour.
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you guys frustrate me. please comment on said theory. i didnt ask for a diet plan, or your thoughts on the calorie intake.....just comment on the theory that all you need to do is eat the amount of carbs you are going t burn before your workout, and thats it. that way you are in constant ketosis all day long except during the time you want to gain muscle (when you are lifting)...tghatw ay you can cut all the fat away while still gaining muscle; thus contradicting everything youve ever been told and learned when it comes to bodybuilding.
I am convinced that the US gov't had a hand in 9-11.
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Again tell me how you will burn your 1000 calories in an hour.
your a goddamn idiot. it doesnt matter how many calories you burn.... it could be 20, or it can be 5000...thats not what im talking about.
read this part...and forget about the rest: "all you need to do is eat the amount of carbs you are going t burn before your workout, and thats it. that way you are in constant ketosis all day long except during the time you want to gain muscle (when you are lifting)...tghatw ay you can cut all the fat away while still gaining muscle; thus contradicting everything youve ever been told and learned when it comes to bodybuilding."
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Tomr1976 lies about having access to member IP's :-*
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I am convinced that the US gov't had a hand in 9-11.
ok.sweet.
but what do you think about MY theory??
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ok.sweet.
but what do you think about MY theory??
What is your theory?
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What is your theory?
"all you need to do is eat the amount of carbs you are going t burn before your workout, and thats it. that way you are in constant ketosis all day long except during the time you want to gain muscle (when you are lifting)...tghatw ay you can cut all the fat away while still gaining muscle; thus contradicting everything youve ever been told and learned when it comes to bodybuilding."
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"all you need to do is eat the amount of carbs you are going t burn before your workout, and thats it. that way you are in constant ketosis all day long except during the time you want to gain muscle (when you are lifting)...tghatw ay you can cut all the fat away while still gaining muscle; thus contradicting everything youve ever been told and learned when it comes to bodybuilding."
no
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but someone as obese at you surely eats 8000cals a day, i dont think you could burn that off in your lifetime.
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how many calories does an intense bukkake session burn per hour?
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but someone as obese at you surely eats 8000cals a day, i dont think you could burn that off in your lifetime.
ok please shut the fuck up you scrawny end of the rainbow not for the gold but because you want to rail the leprachaun irish son of bitch.
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sorry am i "frustrating" you lol
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how many calories does an intense bukkake session burn per hour?
not as many as running from a fight................... .hahaha fvck off!!!
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ok please shut the f**k up you scrawny end of the rainbow not for the gold but because you want to rail the leprachaun irish son of bitch.
;D ;D
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sorry am i "frustrating" you lol
go eat some corned beef you stupid patty.
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go eat some salad cardio dodger
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goudy you look like you just got out of a concentration camp located in antartica. go buy some tanner and some steak and try again in three years. and tell you mother she needs to come pick up her panties she left at my house last night.
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where you washing them you homo.
candidate ok how about we post sum pics rite now
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Candidate, you have to remember that your body stores (depending on size, sex, etc.) around 300-400 grams of carbs in the form of stored glycogen. You have to also burn all those carbs in addition to the pre-workout carbs you mentioned before your body will start to burn the fat stores.
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Candidate, you have to remember that your body stores (depending on size, sex, etc.) around 300-400 grams of carbs in the form of stored glycogen. You have to also burn all those carbs in addition to the pre-workout carbs you mentioned before your body will start to burn the fat stores.
No. A calorie deficit without glycogen depletion will burn fat just as efficient.
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Candidate, you have to remember that your body stores (depending on size, sex, etc.) around 300-400 grams of carbs in the form of stored glycogen. You have to also burn all those carbs in addition to the pre-workout carbs you mentioned before your body will start to burn the fat stores.
thank you for answering seriously.
so couldnt i just consume 300-4000 less grams carbohydrates before i workout, that way i burn those off durin the workout?
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No. A calorie deficit without glycogen depletion will burn fat just as efficient.
Actually, that's not true.
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Actually, that's not true.
Tell us why, with scientific proof.
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...offf to the gym. hoefully when i get back there will be some more good replies liek the last couple. thanks guys.
out.
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No. A calorie deficit without glycogen depletion will burn fat just as efficient.
I didn't see where he mentioned a calorie deficit, but yes, a calorie deficit will burn fat, but I wouldn't say just as efficiently as going low carb.
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off to the gym having declined my challenge.
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thank you for answering seriously.
so couldnt i just consume 300-4000 less grams carbohydrates before i workout, that way i burn those off durin the workout?
Depending on what kind of workout you're doing, yes, you should burn off the carbs you ingest preworkout. I seriously doubt you could burn through 300 grams of carbs (1200 calories) during a weight training workout though.
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if i threw your fat ass in the fire, how muchenergy would we create ?
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Human fat tissue contains about 87% lipids, so that 1 kg of body-fat tissue has roughly the caloric energy of 870 g of pure fat, or 7800 kcal. Therefore one has to create a −7800 kcal deficit between energy intake and use to lose 1 kg of body-fat. (In U.S. customary units, that is about 3500 kcal per pound.)
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off to the gym having declined my challenge.
Goudy if you want to I will make a thread in the pictures section where i post a couple of mandatories ill take tomorrow for you to compare with.
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Candidate...You need your carbs AFTER the workout.You said that you needed carbs for the time when you want to build the muscle..while lifting weights.That is false.
You do not build muscle while you workout,you tear it down. You only build muscle AFTER the workout when you are recovering.That is when your body needs the nutrients the most.You need to replenish the glycogen stores(carbs) in the muscle.You do not grow in the gym...you grow in the bed.
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you guys frustrate me. please comment on said theory. i didnt ask for a diet plan, or your thoughts on the calorie intake.....just comment on the theory that all you need to do is eat the amount of carbs you are going t burn before your workout, and thats it. that way you are in constant ketosis all day long except during the time you want to gain muscle (when you are lifting)...tghatw ay you can cut all the fat away while still gaining muscle; thus contradicting everything youve ever been told and learned when it comes to bodybuilding.
meltdown.
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fuck the complicated shit. if you wanna loose weight just make sure your in a negativ calorie balance, maybe like 500 cal less than you need to maintain bw...
250 of the deficit from calorie restriction 250 from cardio...increase protein to 3g/kg bw...its fucking easy...and fuck adonis principles..
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I thought it was undesirable to have your body in a ketosis state?
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ketosis is when your body uses itself for energy. as long asyou dotn do anything strenous, your body will burn fat while in ketosis. if you are doing anything physically active, your body will use muscle during ketosis. so as long as you eat carbs before you workout, you will be burning fat al day and all night, esxcept when you are lifting...thats when you are tearing down the muscle. you CAN build muscle while in ketosis, just eat enough healthy fats and proteins. because those are what build muscle back up, not carbohydrates. they only provide energy.
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according tothe treadmill (lol) i burn about 110 calories every ten minutes....
whats everybody else get at 10 minutes?
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This is not a theory. This is a hypothesis.
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you guys frustrate me. please comment on said theory. i didnt ask for a diet plan, or your thoughts on the calorie intake.....just comment on the theory that all you need to do is eat the amount of carbs you are going t burn before your workout, and thats it. that way you are in constant ketosis all day long except during the time you want to gain muscle (when you are lifting)...tghatw ay you can cut all the fat away while still gaining muscle; thus contradicting everything youve ever been told and learned when it comes to bodybuilding.
no needtro call everyone guys sheesh calm down guy... but its an interesting theory. i dont believe youll egta anywhere by not picking and choosing carbs. every single bodybuilder ive ever seen thats SUCCESSFUL chooses their calories/ protein carbs and fats wisely. when you eat ice cream and all that bullshit you encounter pissloads of sugar. sugar raises insulin levels and makes you store fat easier. do people forget that?
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no needtro call everyone guys sheesh calm down guy... but its an interesting theory. i dont believe youll egta anywhere by not picking and choosing carbs. every single bodybuilder ive ever seen thats SUCCESSFUL chooses their calories carbs and fats wisely. when you eat ice cream and all that bullshit you encounter pissloads of sugar. sugar raises insulin levels and makes you store fat easier. do people forget that?
yeah i totally agreee with you that ice cream would be a poor choice. i just used it as an example for my "hypothesis" (as debussey corrected me.). although..as long as you burned off the amount of ice cream you ate during the workout, there would be no fat to store, thus negating the raised insulin. I also mentioned not because i thought it was vital to you guys understanding...but i thought it would incorporate more opinions because adonis is constantly talking about his principles....and i was sure any mention of them would throw him and his whole gang into this thread.
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Danielson diets on saliva.
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You arnt going to burning anywhere near a 1000 calories with an hour of lifting weights, you'd struggle to burn that jogging for an hour.
you're right, you'd have to run about 8 miles in an hour to burn that much.
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candidate,if you want to slim down make your most used excersise the "push away"
push away from the dinner table.
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candidate,if you want to slim down make your most used excersise the "push away"
push away from the dinner table.
oooohhh good one!! ::)
and my body fat is around 15% now..
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oooohhh good one!! ::)
and my body fat is around 15% now..
how much weight have you lost? How much strength loss?
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how much weight have you lost? How much strength loss?
around 30-35 lbs...strength has remained stagnant...except shoulders have gotten stronger.
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are you eating all your daily carbs pre workout and that is only 90grams? I don't think the toast is going to mess you up much especially since you have successfully lost so much weight so far. If anything start adding some more carbs and get back to a reasonable way of eating.
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are you eating all your daily carbs pre workout and that is only 90grams? I don't think the toast is going to mess you up much especially since you have successfully lost so much weight so far. If anything start adding some more carbs and get back to a reasonable way of eating.
according to the results and science as of yet it is quite a reasonable way of eating....and i will start consuming more carbs once i see abs..which i want to maintain because i am doing an amatuer show in june.
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C2025-
After > 20 yrs of lifting, dieting + studying, I've really come to believe in SIMPLICITY.
To get nice + lean just do these TWO things:
1. 30-60 min cardio in the AM + after your weights session.
(Stationary bike in front of TV works well for me. Heck, you can even play video games at the same time!)
2. Restrict your intake to ONLY vegetables + clean protein.
(Except right after a workout, when you should eat some fruit and "good" carbs - whole wheat bread, legumes, etc. You can liberalize your carb content depending on your condition/goals )
For a contest, it gets more complicated of course.
But for LIFELONG FITNESS, this is really all you need to do!
Good luck,
bb doc
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every gram of carbohydrate = 4 calories. (http://diet.ivillage.com/plans/plowcal/0,,gdf,00.html)
one hour of hard working out = 700-1000 calories burned.(http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=10289)
if you consume 250 grams of carbohydrates once daily 2 hours before you workout...you will then burn off all those carbohydrates to lift, and after wards you will return right back to a state of ketosis untill the next day when you consume your pre workout carbs (as long as you dont consume anything but clean protein all day long). this means you can get off-season lifting intensity and strength, with pre contest fat-loss.
your thoughts?
i have been doing something along these lines for about 3 months and have lost 30 lbs but have gotten stronger on most exercises. the only diffderence being i consume only about 90 grams of carbohydrates pre workout, and in the morning i eat half a piece of wheat toast....which im now going to cancel out and d to the pre workout meal.
i know this belongs on nutrition board, but i want a big response to this, as i believe it is quite a big theory.
hahaha "clean protien" is still calories
pm me for info on fasting