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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Old_Rooster on November 15, 2006, 12:54:21 PM
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I find that interesting since so far personally at contests i've either competed in or went to watch, all the pro's I talked to: Jay Cutler, Craig Titus, Gunter, markus Ruhl, Milos Sarvev(spelling?) and 2 or three others whoms names I don't remember, ah yes Dennis James, they all told me taking GH was useless unless you also mixed some Insulin in with it.
And hey wow, it took me 2 days here to get blasted as a roid head. UM, i've done about 3 cycles in my life, the rest of whats left of my body was built on 29 years lifting and knowing what it takes most about 5 years to figure out, eating enough and getting enough rest.
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Do you have any factual claims to back this up? Insulin will make gains greater, I won't disagree with that, but all you've provided is some "he said this" statements...come back with some data.
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I find that interesting since so far personally at contests i've either competed in or went to watch, all the pro's I talked to: Jay Cutler, Craig Titus, Gunter, markus Ruhl, Milos Sarvev(spelling?) and 2 or three others whoms names I don't remember, ah yes Dennis James, they all told me taking GH was useless unless you also mixed some Insulin in with it.
And hey wow, it took me 2 days here to get blasted as a roid head. UM, i've done about 3 cycles in my life, the rest of whats left of my body was built on 29 years lifting and knowing what it takes most about 5 years to figure out, eating enough and getting enough rest.
ive never heard of a "gh" induced coma....
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ive never heard of a "gh" induced coma....
Lolol
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ive never heard of a "gh" induced coma....
ive never heard of a someone who uses insulin correctly induced coma either.
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I find that interesting since so far personally at contests i've either competed in or went to watch, all the pro's I talked to: Jay Cutler, Craig Titus, Gunter, markus Ruhl, Milos Sarvev(spelling?) and 2 or three others whoms names I don't remember, ah yes Dennis James, they all told me taking GH was useless unless you also mixed some Insulin in with it.
And hey wow, it took me 2 days here to get blasted as a roid head. UM, i've done about 3 cycles in my life, the rest of whats left of my body was built on 29 years lifting and knowing what it takes most about 5 years to figure out, eating enough and getting enough rest.
No, bro.
Realize those guys are speaking the context of being a pro bodybuilder and what goals they want to achieve.
For the common guy who goes to the gym and just wants an edge, 3-4IU of GH ed is fine with very little incidence of sides.
When you start fucking with Insulin you are setting yourself up for potential health complications.
You make a mistake with GH and perhaps you have some carpal tunnel pain or even some cartiliage growth.
You make a mistake with Insulin and you could become dependant on it for the rest of your life or kill yourself experimenting with it.
And for what? Muscle growth?
Those guys who are pro bodybuilders are risking their health much more than the average AAS user, they are essentially risking everything.
Of course, Insulin has a synergistic effect when used with AAS and GH because they are all working toward the same goal of anabolism.
That doesn't mean it's worth the risk.....
DIV
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Thats true you really need to know what you are doing while taking slin. Lots of people do it wrong, at the wrong times and get sick or fat from it. Agree that someone is really pushing the envelop if they are taking, AAS, GH, insulin, ancillarys, eating tons of protien, risks probally not worth it for the average gym rat or a guy going for a plastic trophy.
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No, bro.
Realize those guys are speaking the context of being a pro bodybuilder and what goals they want to achieve.
For the common guy who goes to the gym and just wants an edge, 3-4IU of GH ed is fine with very little incidence of sides.
When you start fucking with Insulin you are setting yourself up for potential health complications.
You make a mistake with GH and perhaps you have some carpal tunnel pain or even some cartiliage growth.
You make a mistake with Insulin and you could become dependant on it for the rest of your life or kill yourself experimenting with it.
And for what? Muscle growth?
Those guys who are pro bodybuilders are risking their health much more than the average AAS user, they are essentially risking everything.
Of course, Insulin has a synergistic effect when used with AAS and GH because they are all working toward the same goal of anabolism.
That doesn't mean it's worth the risk.....
DIV
Thanks for info I consider knowledgeable. I did insulin one time, had a minor crash on it, scared me so much i'll never touch it again. I was a fool to fiddle with that stuff.
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wow. I'm impressed some of y'all are pretty.....intelligent.. ....good work.......
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wow. I'm impressed some of y'all are pretty.....intelligent.. ....good work.......
intelligent no,google masters yes ;)
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intelligent no,google masters yes ;)
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!!!!!!COMIN' AGAIN TO SAVE THA MOTHA FUCKIN DAY YEAH!!!!!!
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AMERICA, f**k YEAH!!!!!!COMIN' AGAIN TO SAVE THA MOTHA FUCKIN DAY YEAH!!!!!!
my thoughts exactly,go team america :'(
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Insulin can be used safely and effectively IF the person knows what they are doing, just like any other drug.
I do agree with not using it unless you are a top national competitor or a pro. Why even bother?
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Thanks for info I consider knowledgeable. I did insulin one time, had a minor crash on it, scared me so much i'll never touch it again. I was a fool to fiddle with that stuff.
What does an insulin crash feel like?
I'll never use it, so you're going to have to tell me.
DIV
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I just finished a 3 week insulin cycle and really found the fuss to be overexaggerated. I went all the way up to 20 ius with no problems.
I did run in some trouble stacking it with IGF though, that was a big mistake which hit me like a ton of bricks and scared the shit out of me. I was walking to my office from my car, which I had to park a block away because they were working on the building and I couldn't park at work. Half way there I went hypo and fast. I some how made it the rest of the way and went straight for the candy bowl. After eating as much candy I could, I devoured a couple chicken breasts and 2 cups of rice. 20-30 minutes later I had two cans of tuna and 2 cups of oatmeal. I was so fucking hungry. Everyone at work was staring at me it was embarrassing.
anyway, just thought people should know:
NEVER stack slin with IGF.
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I just finished a 3 week insulin cycle and really found the fuss to be overexaggerated. I went all the way up to 20 ius with no problems.
What exactly did 20IU of Insulin do for you compared with before?
DIV
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What exactly did 20IU of Insulin do for you compared with before?
DIV
What do you mean? Before what?
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What do you mean? Before what?
Before you used it.......what advantage did you gain by using Insulin?
DIV
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Before you used it.......what advantage did you gain by using Insulin?
DIV
It was during the start of PCT coming off a 12 week cutting cycle. For one thing it greatly increased my appetite, but despite all the extra calories including a lot from high glycemic sources, I didn't gain any fat. I switched my workouts from a higher rep, lower rest scheme to a lower rep, higher rest scheme, so my strength went up, as expected. It seemed to go up a lot more than I would expect, which I suspect was due to the insulin.
I'm three weeks into a IGF cycle now. The first week was great but this past week has been marked by some strength decreases. I'm not sure if it is because my shoulder and wrists have been bothering me or something else. I also suspect all the gear finally cleared my system and I'm feeling a suppressed HPTA. Also, I might have damaged the IGF by accidentaly shooting some sodium chloride into the bottle.
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I used insulin during my whole contest prep last year (until I was 3 weeks out) and it worked very well. I had 4 low carb days where my diet was a usual, bland 6 meal per day contest diet and 3 HIGH carb days a week. I took 10 iu's, 3 x day, before meals 1,3 and 5. Those meals were all the same, consisting of 1 cup oatmeal, 1/2 can pie filling and 40 grams whey protein. Meals 2,4,6 were chicken and brown rice or a sweet potato. I followed this for 11 weeks and stayed FULL as hell! I never once had a problem with my blood sugar levels, but if you don't fully understand insulin, you shouldn't use it. If you do know how to use it, it will be a very valuable and anabolic substance.
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its true :-\
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What does an insulin crash feel like?
I'll never use it, so you're going to have to tell me.
DIV
Its very scary.. Starts with cant concentrate, you turn white and get the sweats.. You book down to your fridge lookin for a coke or cell tech or something before you pass out. Then, you gotta pound carbs every hour...(Very scary) That was my experiance on humilin R, a longer lasting slin with a peak of i think 7 to 8 hrs. I will be using humaloge soon, faster acting and in and out of your system in 3 hrs...
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I see absolutely no reason to use insulin for anabolic purposes, ever. AAS are safer, more predictable and more effective.
Doesn't anyone ever think about the long haul anymore,or is that just a feature of us over-40 types?
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Its very scary.. Starts with cant concentrate, you turn white and get the sweats.. You book down to your fridge lookin for a coke or cell tech or something before you pass out. Then, you gotta pound carbs every hour...(Very scary) That was my experiance on humilin R, a longer lasting slin with a peak of i think 7 to 8 hrs. I will be using humaloge soon, faster acting and in and out of your system in 3 hrs...
I used humalog but I want to switch to humlin, which seems better because it is in your system a lot longer. Humalog doesn't stay in your system very long.
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It was during the start of PCT coming off a 12 week cutting cycle. For one thing it greatly increased my appetite, but despite all the extra calories including a lot from high glycemic sources, I didn't gain any fat. I switched my workouts from a higher rep, lower rest scheme to a lower rep, higher rest scheme, so my strength went up, as expected. It seemed to go up a lot more than I would expect, which I suspect was due to the insulin.
I'm three weeks into a IGF cycle now. The first week was great but this past week has been marked by some strength decreases. I'm not sure if it is because my shoulder and wrists have been bothering me or something else. I also suspect all the gear finally cleared my system and I'm feeling a suppressed HPTA. Also, I might have damaged the IGF by accidentaly shooting some sodium chloride into the bottle.
So basically you think the Insulin allowed you to maintain your gains during PCT while eating more and gaining no fat?
Any reason you decided on running Insulin/IGF-1 during PCT?
.....or just experimenting?
I think you'd have been better off running on or the other during PCT so you could get a real idea of what each is doing.
That's what I do when I start off with something new.
Its very scary.. Starts with cant concentrate, you turn white and get the sweats.. You book down to your fridge lookin for a coke or cell tech or something before you pass out. Then, you gotta pound carbs every hour...(Very scary) That was my experiance on humilin R, a longer lasting slin with a peak of i think 7 to 8 hrs. I will be using humaloge soon, faster acting and in and out of your system in 3 hrs...
I hope you know what you are doing, bro.
That sounds unsafe to me.
I see absolutely no reason to use insulin for anabolic purposes, ever. AAS are safer, more predictable and more effective.
Doesn't anyone ever think about the long haul anymore,or is that just a feature of us over-40 types?
Freaker,
I agree with you completely and I will never use Insulin, for the safety reasons, but you have to realize that many Type-A personalities, the very ones who go in to bodybuilding will make the same risky behaviours when it comes to drug use.
Many of those types live day to day, not year to year.
They may not live to see thirty, so they are living for the now.
I'm looking at the long haul and how these drugs may affect me later, which is why I don't megadose or haven't explored the GH/IGF-1/Insulin options....
I'm still mastering AAS at this point.
DIV
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So basically you think the Insulin allowed you to maintain your gains during PCT while eating more and gaining no fat?
Any reason you decided on running Insulin/IGF-1 during PCT?
.....or just experimenting?
I think you'd have been better off running on or the other during PCT so you could get a real idea of what each is doing.
That's what I do when I start off with something new.
DIV
I am not sure how effective insulin is for me, but it definately helps.
First I ran insulin, then I ran IGF but I overlapped them one week. I switched to IGF because I thought it would be better for right now, in a couple weeks I will switch back to insulin. I really liked the insulin and am anxious to get back on it.
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I used humalog but I want to switch to humlin, which seems better because it is in your system a lot longer. Humalog doesn't stay in your system very long.
Yeah its just because It was tuff pounding carbs like every hour.. I wanted to try the humaloge cus I can handle pounding a few meals then its in and out of my system. Then I can start it again once im done with my workout and still go to bed without worrying about going into shock. How did you do it?
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Yeah its just because It was tuff pounding carbs like every hour.. I wanted to try the humaloge cus I can handle pounding a few meals then its in and out of my system. Then I can start it again once im done with my workout and still go to bed without worrying about going into shock. How did you do it?
I pinned right after working out and then immediately drank a liquid meal consisting of sugar, protein, creatine, vit c, vit e and chromium. About an hour later I would eat a good meal, and an hour after that I would eat another. At first I would panic when I felt my blood sugar getting low, but I later realized that I didn't need to gorge myself everytime I felt that way.
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intelligent no,google masters yes ;)
;D, not all, but some.
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ive never heard of a "gh" induced coma....
exactly, slin can kill you quickly (like if you fuck up and pin the wrong dose). wont happen with gh.
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exactly, slin can kill you quickly (like if you f**k up and pin the wrong dose). wont happen with gh.
I think using Insulin is the bridge I'd never cross.......the difference between someone who likes the advantage of anabolic drugs and how they can influence training is alot different than using any drug, regardless of the risk all for the benefit of size and lean mass growth.
The possibility of dying for the benefit of size?
Seems a bit much to me.
DIV
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I think using Insulin is the bridge I'd never cross.......the difference between someone who likes the advantage of anabolic drugs and how they can influence training is alot different than using any drug, regardless of the risk all for the benefit of size and lean mass growth.
The possibility of dying for the benefit of size?
Seems a bit much to me.
DIV
I think it is silly to waste day after day in the gym not getting the maximum amount of gains you possibly can. If used prudently insulin can be safe and effective. There is a high probablility that you will get injured in a car accident, but I doubt you would waste your time walking everywhere. The same is true for insulin.
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I think it is silly to waste day after day in the gym not getting the maximum amount of gains you possibly can. If used prudently insulin can be safe and effective. There is a high probablility that you will get injured in a car accident, but I doubt you would waste your time walking everywhere. The same is true for insulin.
Bro I'm all for doing whatever you have to do tho reach your goals, but the insulin vs. a car aspect is a stretch IMO. Everyone "has" to drive a car...you do not "have to use insulin.
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I think it is silly to waste day after day in the gym not getting the maximum amount of gains you possibly can. If used prudently insulin can be safe and effective. There is a high probablility that you will get injured in a car accident, but I doubt you would waste your time walking everywhere. The same is true for insulin.
Use whatever justification you deem necessary, bro.
I'm just saying it's a reach for me.
I'm a personal trainer and I'd never in a million years recommend Insulin to anyone.......even a bodybuilder.
There are other ways......
DIV
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Use whatever justification you deem necessary, bro.
I'm just saying it's a reach for me.
I'm a personal trainer and I'd never in a million years recommend Insulin to anyone.......even a bodybuilder.
There are other ways......
DIV
nevermind what you're talking about and back to rose mcgowan...........etc... ..she's hott but what about Kiera Knightly?????
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nevermind what you're talking about and back to rose mcgowan...........etc... ..she's hott but what about Kiera Knightly?????
Knightly can't touch Rose's sweet tight ass.....
Rose is classic gothic beauty....
Rare.
DIV
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Knightly can't touch Rose's sweet tight ass.....
Rose is classic gothic beauty....
Rare.
DIV
she has a great ass don't get me wrong.....but knightly can play ruff n trashy roll's even though she couldn't be more proper....from England......regardless it would be a kick ass 3-some..........either way if you got one of them pregnant you would be MADE!!!!
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she has a great ass don't get me wrong.....but knightly can play ruff n trashy roll's even though she couldn't be more proper....from England......regardless it would be a kick ass 3-some..........either way if you got one of them pregnant you would be MADE!!!!
I wouldn't mind dating Rose, but not sure about marriage.
She's alot to handle.
DIV
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I wouldn't mind dating Rose, but not sure about marriage.
She's alot to handle.
DIV
a lot of money to handle, muahahahahahahahahahaha lol
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a lot of money to handle, muahahahahahahahahahaha lol
Lil' pale goth chicks are the most challenging....
You've never dated one or you'd know what I mean.
DIV
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No, bro.
Realize those guys are speaking the context of being a pro bodybuilder and what goals they want to achieve.
For the common guy who goes to the gym and just wants an edge, 3-4IU of GH ed is fine with very little incidence of sides.
When you start fucking with Insulin you are setting yourself up for potential health complications.
You make a mistake with GH and perhaps you have some carpal tunnel pain or even some cartiliage growth.
You make a mistake with Insulin and you could become dependant on it for the rest of your life or kill yourself experimenting with it.
And for what? Muscle growth?
Those guys who are pro bodybuilders are risking their health much more than the average AAS user, they are essentially risking everything.
Of course, Insulin has a synergistic effect when used with AAS and GH because they are all working toward the same goal of anabolism.
That doesn't mean it's worth the risk.....
DIV
Small amounts of insulin, with AAS, for the average gym rat who wants to put some size on, IMO, not that bad. Do you think that after 3-4 short cycles of insulin that a person will become dependent?
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Small amounts of insulin, with AAS, for the average gym rat who wants to put some size on, IMO, not that bad. Do you think that after 3-4 short cycles of insulin that a person will become dependent?
I think the potential for complications is there anytime you are dealing with Insulin.
Genetics determine who is susceptible and who is not.
I train a guy who is close to being diabetic, and he knows it, so his diet is structured a certain way to prevent him from developing it....
Some people out there don't know they may be predisposed and that one Insulin experiment could be enough to trigger full blown diabeties.
DIV
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Lil' pale goth chicks are the most challenging....
You've never dated one or you'd know what I mean.
DIV
true i go for more normal chicks.....like mexicans.....and regular white chicks...they have less baggage.....muahahahahah a
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Bro I'm all for doing whatever you have to do tho reach your goals, but the insulin vs. a car aspect is a stretch IMO. Everyone "has" to drive a car...you do not "have to use insulin.
Yea, but 40,000 people die in car crashes every year. I've never heard of one bodybuilder dying from insulin. The media would be all over a story like that too.
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Lil' pale goth chicks are the most challenging....
You've never dated one or you'd know what I mean.
DIV
Wierd, needy, usually suffer(or pretend to) from depression, have really "deep" thoughts that are usually quite boring and depressing, and massively self obsessed to the point you want to scrub off there pale make up, slap there arse and tell them to grow up and get a job (after they are done self harming of course)
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I find that interesting since so far personally at contests i've either competed in or went to watch, all the pro's I talked to: Jay Cutler, Craig Titus, Gunter, markus Ruhl, Milos Sarvev(spelling?) and 2 or three others whoms names I don't remember, ah yes Dennis James, they all told me taking GH was useless unless you also mixed some Insulin in with it.
And hey wow, it took me 2 days here to get blasted as a roid head. UM, i've done about 3 cycles in my life, the rest of whats left of my body was built on 29 years lifting and knowing what it takes most about 5 years to figure out, eating enough and getting enough rest.
umm i know jay personally and have since he was 18...he never gave me that advice LOL Gh works just fine without it. Doesnt mean it doesnt work better though.
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Wierd, needy, usually suffer(or pretend to) from depression, have really "deep" thoughts that are usually quite boring and depressing, and massively self obsessed to the point you want to scrub off there pale make up, slap there arse and tell them to grow up and get a job (after they are done self harming of course)
You're stereotyping.......and most of them grow out of that stage by the age of 20.
I date women in their mid to late twenties and by then they don't have all the mommy and daddy damage.
When I said "goth chicks", I didn't mean some wallflower you see in a danceclub......but adult women who are just more alternative than your average.
Learn the difference, bro.
DIV
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You're stereotyping.......and most of them grow out of that stage by the age of 20.
I date women in their mid to late twenties and by then they don't have all the mommy and daddy damage.
When I said "goth chicks", I didn't mean some wallflower you see in a danceclub......but adult women who are just more alternative than your average.
Learn the difference, bro.
DIV
Nah ill let you keep em mate :D