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I tell ya. Get someone angry and their true colors shine through.
'Kramer' Shocks Los Angeles Comedy Club Audience by Spewing Racial Slurs
Monday, November 20, 2006
Actor Michael Richards, known for playing 'Kramer' on 'Seinfeld.'
LOS ANGELES — Michael Richards stunned a comedy club audience, shouting racial epithets at people who heckled him during a stand-up routine.
The 57-year-old actor-comedian, best known for playing Jerry Seinfeld's eccentric neighbor Kramer on the hit TV show "Seinfeld," was performing at the Laugh Factory in West Hollywood Friday night when he launched into the verbal rampage, according to video posted on TMZ.com.
The tirade apparently began after two black audience members started shouting at him that he wasn't funny.
Richards retorted: "Shut up! Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f——— fork up your a—."
He then paced across the stage taunting the men for interrupting his show, peppering his speech with racial slurs and profanities.
"You can talk, you can talk, you're brave now mother———. Throw his a— out. He's a n——-!" Richards shouts before repeating the racial epithet over and over again.
While there is some audible chuckling in the audience throughout the outburst, someone can be heard gasping "Oh my God" and various people "0oh" after Richard uses the n-word.
Richards performed the next night at the Laugh Factory without incident.
Calls to Richards' representatives were not immediately returned early Monday.
He refused to comment on-camera when reached by CNN, but the network reported that he said off-camera he felt sorry for what had happened and had made amends.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230727,00.html
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Sounds like it was a right laugh
Here's the vid but it won't work for me
http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1772645
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when you put down somebody's passion and what they do for a living don't cry when they put you down
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i think the hecklers were wrong but for his first comeback to be racial was tasteless. He could have gotten back at them a different way. The first thing out his mouth was racial.
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Damn!
Kramer shut that bi*ch down didn't he. :-X
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Damn!
Kramer shut that bi*ch down didn't he. :-X
hahalaolololol he sure as hell did, damn!!
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Here we go
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Michael Richard's live act sucks. He seems like a bitter dude because in spite of his money and past success, his "Kramer" persona prevents him from ever getting another gig.
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it also keeps his royalty checks coming in at a large and regular pace
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Sometimes you just fucking lose it... it happens to every person.
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True. On the other hand, people tend to say things in anger that they truly believe, but otherwise wouldn't say if they weren't angry. I would imagine "Kramer" uses this kind of language in private all the time.
On a somewhat related note, I talked to someone who worked in a nursing home and she told me that some of the white residents who suffered from dementia would routinely use racial epithets when talking to some of the workers.
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:o :-\ :'(
Wow. I wish I hadn't watched the video. Everyone has their low points. I hope this is just one of those days for Michael Richards. Dag, I feel bad for him. The hecklers were wrong too though. Were the people getting up and walking out? It look like it.
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Here we go
wow. that was a meltdown.
kinda sad to see that he has so much bitterness in him, despite having enjoyed more success than most people ever see.
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He just misses Newman :-\
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:o :-\ :'(
Wow. I wish I hadn't watched the video. Everyone has their low points. I hope this is just one of those days for Michael Richards. Dag, I feel bad for him. The hecklers were wrong too though. Were the people getting up and walking out? It look like it.
My man was just having a bad day man. We all have them. I know I've had mine before. Gotta check that sh*t though man.
Yeah he went overboard on that "release" there, but honestly if he was one of my boys later on I would have been like damn man you o.k? I feel he just lost it. I would have just rolled out (probably laughing my a$$ off thinking this mofo has lost his mind) had I been in the crowd though.
He DID shut that ENTIRE mofo down though. I give him that. He closed the show! ;D
You could tell after he was done, he was like "it's over man!"
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True. On the other hand, people tend to say things in anger that they truly believe, but otherwise wouldn't say if they weren't angry. I would imagine "Kramer" uses this kind of language in private all the time.
On a somewhat related note, I talked to someone who worked in a nursing home and she told me that some of the white residents who suffered from dementia would routinely use racial epithets when talking to some of the workers.
True.
The racial slurs got some giggles out of the crowd tho :o
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Why did he have to go that route. I seen guys deal with hecklers before, hell some stand comedians heckle the audience.
I wonder what "Kramer" had to say to the suits who shut his show down after a couple of airings...
He couldn't say anything then ;)
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yes, meltdown. He looked a little pill'd up.
And yes, he does feel those things deep down. With wine or anger comes truth.
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He may be frustrated because his career has been stagnant since Seinfeld? Still, no excuse.
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Michael Richards will apologize on David Letterman. Just saw a preview on the CBS Nightly News. Jerry Seinfeld asked him to be on. Michael admits to going into a rage, and "lost it"
He says, the dreaded, "...I'm not a racist."
Remember the "You might be a Redneck if..."
Well, "You might be a Racist if...you get angry at a heckler and called the person a racist name"
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Michael Richards will apologize on David Letterman. Just saw a preview on the CBS Nightly News. Jerry Seinfeld asked him to be on. Michael admits to going into a rage, and "lost it"
He says, the dreaded, "...I'm not a racist, that's what is so insane."
Remember the "You might be a Redneck if..."
Well, "You might be a Racist if...you get angry at a heckler and called the person a racist name"
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:o :-\ :'(
Wow. I wish I hadn't watched the video. Everyone has their low points. I hope this is just one of those days for Michael Richards. Dag, I feel bad for him. The hecklers were wrong too though. Were the people getting up and walking out? It look like it.
Yeah, it was painful to watch. Both for Richards and the hecklers.
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Michael Richard's live act sucks. He seems like a bitter dude because in spite of his money and past success, his "Kramer" persona prevents him from ever getting another gig.
That's why actors demand royalty & residual payments for the continued use of their images in TV, Film, & commercials.
A successful commercial can kill a career in it's tracks! :-\
I'm a happy camper today, ...cause I just got another residual cheque for a movie made 8 yrs ago. ;D
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Repost from the other thread:
I could see Russell Peters saying what Richards did, and pulling it off. He'd have a smile on his face,
and probably so would the entire audience, including the loud people he was heckling in return
It looked to me like Richards was having a meltdown, and he DID go too far.
We all saw what happened to Mel Gibson after his bigotted tirade, ...lets see what happens to Richards.
The best part of the video for me, was watching all the audience members getting up and walking out. :D
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Michael Richard's live act sucks. He seems like a bitter dude because in spite of his money and past success, his "Kramer" persona prevents him from ever getting another gig.
was just gonna post the same thing. a bitter man because he has had no success after "kramer".
yes the hecklers shouldnt have started but he went over the line with the racist stuff.
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He DID shut that ENTIRE mofo down though. I give him that. He closed the show! ;D
You could tell after he was done, he was like "it's over man!"
ya he thought it was over because most of the crowd got up and walked out
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man that was the funniest thing i have seen in a long time. that guy has some huge balls
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man that was the funniest thing i have seen in a long time. that guy has some huge balls
He could be bigger after this.. ;D
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He says, the dreaded, "...I'm not a racist, that's what is so insane."
Remember the "You might be a Redneck if..."
Well, "You might be a Racist if...you get angry at a heckler and called the person a racist name"
this doesn't mean he hates black people
if I call a short guy a midget when he insults me does that mean i hate short people? no
race isn't any different
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this doesn't mean he hates black people
if I call a short guy a midget when he insults me does that mean i hate short people? no
race isn't any different
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The only positive thing I can say about your comment is that if this level of ignorance (lack of understanding) of the implications of Richard's remarks by this generation is any indication... we really have come a long way. Not sure if it's a good thing or bad, ...but the lack of understanding is notably interesting. :-\
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fuckem
richards RULES!
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:-\ :-X
The only positive thing I can say about your comment is that if this level of ignorance (lack of understanding) of the implications of Richard's remarks by this generation is any indication... we really have come a long way. Not sure if it's a good thing or bad, ...but the lack of understanding is notably interesting. :-\
explain to me how it's different
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explain to me how it's different
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Earl I see a huge difference between a person who utters a racial epithet in the heat of an argument and Kramer's tirade. Both scenarios raise the presumption that the person is a bigot IMO, but Kramer's lynching comments were way over the top. I don't think a person makes the comments Kramer did, in the manner in which he did, unless he or she is a bigot.
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explain to me how it's different
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If you don't know the difference between poking fun at a guy's height, ...and implying that 600 yrs of slavery, legislated oppression, legislated lynchings, raping & pillaging was appropriate then you have some serious problems. Because that's what it represents. And to purposely bring up the memory of that, and shove it in their faces, for saying he's not funny, indicates a man with some very deep seated and disguised hostilities.
He claimed "I'm not a bigot, but it just gushes forth from me" What's his next excuse ...Tourettes? ::)
The people who lived through and saw regular afternoon lynchings after Church service, know all too well the legacy that is steeped in that label. For you to see it as just a word without the baggage it does infact carry is shortsighted & ignorant, and reflects your lack of awareness.
To tell the guy to shut up 50 yrs ago he would have been hanging upside down with a fork up his ass, so he should be silent and not interrupt a white man is to conjure up ghosts from the past that should be well & buried. It does not even compare to telling a guy he is short.
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If you don't know the difference between poking fun at a guy's height, ...and implying that 600 yrs of slavery, legislated oppression, legislated lynchings, raping & pillaging was appropriate then you have some serious problems. Because that's what it represents. And to purposely bring up the memory of that, and shove it in their faces, for saying he's not funny, indicates a man with some very deep seated and disguised hostilities.
He claimed "I'm not a bigot, but it just gushes forth from me" What's his next excuse ...Tourettes? ::)
The people who lived through and saw regular afternoon lynchings after Church service, know all too well the legacy that is steeped in that label. For you to see it as just a word without the baggage it does infact carry is shortsighted & ignorant, and reflects your lack of awareness.
To tell the guy to shut up 50 yrs ago he would have been hanging upside down with a fork up his ass, so he should be silent and not interrupt a white man is to conjure up ghosts from the past that should be well & buried. It does not even compare to telling a guy he is short.
I have been thinking about this for a couple days now and I have come to one basic conclusion:
We are unable--in our society today--to voice in public every single thought that comes across our brain. This is the very reason that this episode is very public. What I mean is that you are not allowed to say certain things in public, and the topics brought up by Richards happen to be on those list of things in our society.
E.g. you cannot run into a room and yell "Fire!", you can't tell someone "there is a bomb in my backpack", I would go to jail if I told someone I would kill them or hurt them in anyway. I can't even tell that girl down the hall what I think of doing to her when she wears those leather boots and short skirt.
That is the society in which we live, Richards has to understand this since he has lived in it for so long, but he misspoke. It is too bad it was an ingredious and very touching misstep. If I was him, I would work on becoming a better standup comic and learn how to combat the "talking crowd" and making fun of them in a more proffesional manner.
Therefore, speaking your mind is okay....not okay with certain key subjects and certain places.
Fair dinkum.
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If you don't know the difference between poking fun at a guy's height, ...and implying that 600 yrs of slavery, legislated oppression, legislated lynchings, raping & pillaging was appropriate then you have some serious problems. Because that's what it represents. And to purposely bring up the memory of that, and shove it in their faces, for saying he's not funny, indicates a man with some very deep seated and disguised hostilities.
He claimed "I'm not a bigot, but it just gushes forth from me" What's his next excuse ...Tourettes? ::)
The people who lived through and saw regular afternoon lynchings after Church service, know all too well the legacy that is steeped in that label. For you to see it as just a word without the baggage it does infact carry is shortsighted & ignorant, and reflects your lack of awareness.
To tell the guy to shut up 50 yrs ago he would have been hanging upside down with a fork up his ass, so he should be silent and not interrupt a white man is to conjure up ghosts from the past that should be well & buried. It does not even compare to telling a guy he is short.
Monster exaggerations and distortions.
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If you don't know the difference between poking fun at a guy's height, ...and implying that 600 yrs of slavery, legislated oppression, legislated lynchings, raping & pillaging was appropriate then you have some serious problems.
short people have been discriminated, disrespected and shit on in every way since the beginning of time and that will never ever change
some day people might not even notice or care about skin color but short people will always be looked down on literally and figuratively
get over the past already things aren't like that anymore ::)
it's not like these hecklers were just sitting in a corner minding their own business when all of a sudden kramer attacked them with racial remarks
90% of the time they bring it on themselves
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If only he said "nigg....a" Maybe he didn't know only black people can say that. He hears the blacks calling the whitey cracker in their comedy acts all day long..
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maybee jerry took his spare apartment key again.
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Uh oh.
Richards' Rant -- Not The First Time
Posted Nov 22nd 2006 2:10PM by TMZ Staff
Filed under: Train Wrecks, TV
Did Michael Richards attack the Jews? Two Los Angeles residents have come forward and said that's exactly what happened last Spring at L.A. comedy club, The Improv.
Carol Oschin and J.P. Fillet say they were at The Improv on April 22 when Richards took the stage. They say that in the middle of Richards' skit, a man in the audience said something to the comedian, when Richards allegedly launched into an anti-Semitic rant. According to Oschin, Richards screamed at the audience member, "You f***ing Jew. You people are the cause of Jesus dying."
Oschin says the rant continued and Richards stormed off the stage. Oschin and Fillet say that, at first, they thought Richards' tirade was part of his act, but claim that it quickly became apparent it was not.
Richards' publicist, Howard Rubenstein, confirmed to TMZ that Richards did make derogatory comments about Jews, but says it was part of his act. Rubenstein says Richards told him, "I'm not anti-Semitic. I was playing a role and poking fun at the rednecks."
http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/22/richards-rant-not-the-first-time/
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All those ameriblacks and african-americans and black americans should try and tell their own people to publicly appologize for using their N word(I'll spell it backwards Z A G G I N)after it was coined as a good ol' catch phrase by the rapper hip-hoppers on the urban streets.
If all those people acted very brown and rarely black then I wouldn't have to talk about the R word after the year 2000.
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why do people like gloria allred ignore the fact that these guys called kramer a cracker?
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why do people like gloria allred ignore the fact that these guys called kramer a cracker?
More importantly was their impled threat they were going to their vehicles then return to "show him what's up now".
Would this mean anything BUT a weapon?
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i saw their interview and they said it was a good thing they weren't close to the stage or else they would've had to "throw down" ::)
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Gloria Allred is the most irritating person in the country. She should never have access to a microphone or camera.
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Man, this is getting hyped.
Imo, Kramer was wrong, and his burst shows that he has predjudices.
But, the other guy also called him "cracker", which nobody talks about. And this media attention shows the double standard. Had the comedian been from a minority, nobody would have cared. A lot blacks use the N-word (or other racial/cultural slurs) all the time, nobody objects.
I'm not defending Kramer, he was utterly wrong and not funny at all. But this episode shows a lot of things that are going wrong in America.
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Do you even know what a cracker is, ...and where the term came from?
No, it's not something the holds your caviar or gets crumbled in soup ::)
Back on Florida plantations, the overseers who intimidated, harrassed, bullied, and meted out punishment to slaves, did so with a whip that made a harsh cracking noise. These sadistic, intimidating bullies became known as crackers, because they cracked the whips.
Calling someone a cracker is not saying they are as pale as a Mr. Christies unsalted soup cracker,
...it is saying they are like the overseer with the whip. Did Kramer spout off like a cracker? Clearly he did.
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Do you even know what a cracker is, ...and where the term came from?
No, it's not something the holds your caviar or gets crumbled in soup ::)
Back on Florida plantations, the overseers who intimidated, harrassed, bullied, and meted out punishment to slaves, did so with a whip that made a harsh cracking noise. These sadistic, intimidating bullies became known as crackers, because they cracked the whips.
Calling someone a cracker is not saying they are as pale as a Mr. Christies unsalted soup cracker,
...it is saying they are like the overseer with the whip. Did Kramer spout off like a cracker? Clearly he did.
jag, I'm curious why you might think hardly any whites are upset about being called cracker?
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jag, I'm curious why you might think hardly any whites are upset about being called cracker?
I didn't say that.
I said based on the definition of the term, he was acting like a cracker, ...not like a white person, ...like a cracker.
Anyone who would have had him turned upside down with a fork up his ass, is not a typical white person, but a cracker, ...those who meted out the punishment.
But since you bring it up... I don't think many whites are offended by the term cracker, and if so, certainly not to the degree that the N- word offends Blacks. If I am mistaken, I apologize. No malice intended, just a reflection of my lack of awareness on this front. Would you be horrifically offended if called a cracker?
I doubt many whites could be as offended because the term cracker is simply a name that has never been a legislated instrument for their oppression.
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Would you be offended if I called you an America-bashing uppety c unt?
GO F**K YOURSELF!
ps - don't be offended, ...just following your instructions :D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=108577.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=108577.0)
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GO F**K YOURSELF!
ps - don't be offended, ...just following your instructions :D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=108577.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=108577.0)
LOL... Score!!!
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Jag, I was asking why you thought whites aren't offended by being called cracker, not that's what you said.
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Jag, I was asking why you thought whites aren't offended by being called cracker, not that's what you said.
For the reasons I explained earlier, ...that and the fact that most whites I've ever heard called that burst out laughing.
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i laugh at that name, but i instantly recognize the person using it is trying his hardest to insult my race, a ploy that - if reversed- would make put me on CNN. Go figure!
Kramer is a racist but so were those kids. Only difference is, they went to his job and attempted to disrupt his livelihood. Heckling, they were the aggressors. Then, after his very wrong rant, they did threaten to go to their cars and return with something (presumably a weapon).
I will make it my mission to put up a website punking the shit out of those 2 idiots if they get one cent.
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i laugh at that name, but i instantly recognize the person using it is trying his hardest to insult my race, a ploy that - if reversed- would make put me on CNN. Go figure!
Kramer is a racist but so were those kids. Only difference is, they went to his job and attempted to disrupt his livelihood.
:-\ man oh man I could say a gadzillion things about "attempting to disrupt peoples livelihoods, ...but I won't. :-X
They were paying customers who paid to be entertained, not personally attacked.
Heckling, they were the aggressors.
I heard they weren't so much heckling as they were speaking too loudly while ordering their drinks. And when one said he wasn't funny, that's when Richards lost it. {shrug}
Sinbad was in the audience that night, and here's what he had to say about the whole thing. I really have to agree with his perspective on his apology. It was a joke, even the Letterman audience agrees, as they could barely contain their laughter as he spoke. Sinbad's perspective (http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailToID=1843322284)
Then, after his very wrong rant, they did threaten to go to their cars and return with something (presumably a weapon).
I didn't hear that part.
I will make it my mission to put up a website punking the shit out of those 2 idiots if they get one cent.
If the $5 million figure I've heard thrown about is true, ...you couldn't possibly punk them no matter how hard you tried. {lol} I'd even let you call me a NeoCon Republican Rush groupie for $5 mill. :P
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I watched the Sinbad clip last night. Great perspective.
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I will make it my mission to put up a website punking the shit out of those 2 idiots if they get one cent.
WOW lot of anger and dedication in that proclimation there. MAKE IT YOUR MISSION. Jesus Christ thats a life goal for ya,
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WOW lot of anger and dedication in that proclimation there. MAKE IT YOUR MISSION. Jesus Christ thats a life goal for ya,
Are you looking to have a reason to call 240 racist? These two people do not deserve a cent from this. An apology yes. Money? Give me a break.
If Kramer had just attacked them with that rant for no reason then they would deserve money. But they goaded him into it. Does not make what Kramer did right. But they also called him a cracker lol. Guess they are racists to? You know if one should not spew hateful rhetoric when angry.
I do not like what Kramer said. It was wrong. But these guys do not deserve a single cent over this. The point about african americans being able to call people crackers at will is valid. Same thing with the giant double standerd that is going on today with race.
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They were paying customers who paid to be entertained, not personally attacked.
If you go to a comedy club and sit in the front OR interact with the comedian, you WILL become part of the entertainment and should expect that.
Like other said, many (most) black comedians insult whites in their act...this case should be thrown out of court after the first judge looks at it.
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If you go to a comedy club and sit in the front OR interact with the comedian, you WILL become part of the entertainment and should expect that.
Like other said, many (most) black comedians insult whites in their act...this case should be thrown out of court after the first judge looks at it.
In every African American show they pick on whites and Asians. Hell the put the spotlight on the white members of the audience at times. I wonder what would happen if Dane Cook did that ::) Jesse Jackson would be on the news 4 min later ::)
Not to mention yelling things and antagonizing a comedian during his show negates the point they where attacked. They where insulted after they started the altercation. WHy is this so hard? What he said was wrong, but they called hom a cracker! Sounds like they said racial things when angry. Both of em are exploiting this for money.
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I heard comedian Billy Connelly brought the house down in Toronto last night with his take on the whole Richards thing. I wasn't there, ...but the news showed a clip of him pointing to the balconey and screaming "Look it's whitey, ...he's white, ...he's white, ...throw that man out!" Then he turned to the audience and asked, "...does it have the same effect?" The audience was roaring with laughter.
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2 Mistakes:
I have a few friends who are full-time professional comedians.
One of them even shared a stage with Jay Leno once.
They’ll tell you that there are RULES for dealing with hecklers.
RULE #1 (and the biggest): ALWAYS KEEP YOUR COOL.
Never let emotion get involved and NEVER make the attack a personal vendetta.
In other words, never do what Michael Richards did – that was his 1st mistake.
Instead, I’ve seen performers successfully turn the audience on the heckler (as if proving the heckler is impeding the audience’s enjoyment of the show).
Sometimes, the comedian can “work with” the heckler to enhance the performance: this takes quite a knack. You must know not only how to handle, but IF you can handle a troublemaker.
A lot of comedians have “planned ad-libs” they use to deal with problem situations if and when they arise – sort of like stock comebacks on reserve.
Richards should have known better, and if he’s so far out of touch with real life that he didn’t, then he had no business being on stage in the first place. Stand-up comedy is NOT SOMETHING EVERYONE CAN DO!!!
2nd Mistake:
C’mon, Mike…
Regardless if you feel that white people have the right to say “the word in question” or not, you know what kind of sh it you’re gonna get if you do say it, especially when you’re a mainstream(?) celebrity in today's PC-sensitive climate.
I don’t feel sorry for people who cause their own problems simply out of stupidity.
Bottom line:
Gibson was drunk.
What’s Richards’ excuse?
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Montague I agree with you, but I think his biggest mistake was not telling funny jokes. :)
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Montague I agree with you, but I think his biggest mistake was not telling funny jokes. :)
Funny helps.
Okay,
New RULE #1...
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What’s Richards’ excuse?
...a previously undiagnosed case of Tourettes? ;)
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I heard they weren't so much heckling as they were speaking too loudly while ordering their drinks. And when one said he wasn't funny, that's when Richards lost it. {shrug}
That’s heckling.
When you make negative comments about the show/performer and the comments are loud enough for multiple people to hear, THAT IS HECKLING.
They were paying customers who paid to be entertained, not personally attacked.
If you go to a comedy club and sit in the front OR interact with the comedian, you WILL become part of the entertainment and should expect that.
Expect to be:
Involved? YES.
Attacked? NO.
But to insult anyone’s livelihood (or the way they conduct it) and not expect a retaliation is STUPID.
And when you attack a STUPID person’s livelihood, you’ll likely see a STUPID retaliatory effort in turn.
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Haven’t caught any news lately, but last I heard, the “racially attacked” victims refused to accept Richards’ apology, but they want to sue for five million dollars.
I can see many of you shaking your heads.
Listen,
If you were offered 5 million bucks or an apology, WHICH WOULD YOU CHOOSE?
I don’t think it’s at all pretentious of these guys to go after the money. They’re pursuing it because they know there’s an excellent chance they’ll get it (or at least something).
So don’t blame them for trying.
Instead blame the system and the society that rewards this type of behavior and makes (made) it possible for a dumb bitch who spilled coffee on herself to win an incontrovertibly frivolous settlement from a billion dollar fast food chain.
And if you believe it and it gives you a red ass that badly, then go do something to change it.
Obviously you’re not the only one(s) who feel this way.
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They acted all sad, pathetic, and helpless on the news.
I'm guessing they were a tad more bravado when telling Kramer they were going to their cars to return with something to 'show him what's up'.
Allred knows she has no case - her request to "all of us sit down with a retired judge and talk about it" shows she probably has a handpicked judge in mind and knows her clients would look like absolute shit when put on the stand and asked about THEIR actions.
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People should not get attached to their emotions so easily when it comes to race. Just look at racial jokes and take it with a grain of salt because some of them are not far fetched. You have to be honest, neutral, and realistic when you think about what people like Kramer says or even that germ Jimi Foxx says to arouse himself and his audience.
Just remember the comments by those four ameri-negro comedians when they refered to Bill Clownton as their labeled first black president ???
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i think the hecklers were wrong but for his first comeback to be racial was tasteless. He could have gotten back at them a different way. The first thing out his mouth was racial.
he hurt em where it'd hurt the MOST...i'd have done EXACTLY the same....
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True. On the other hand, people tend to say things in anger that they truly believe, but otherwise wouldn't say if they weren't angry. I would imagine "Kramer" uses this kind of language in private all the time.
you're starting to REALLY piss me off now ....
STFU...you think everyone should go around loving everyone ....riiiight..its not a fucking perfect world..and most american blacks DO have a " ooo i'm oppressed''i'm pmsing...ooo give me preferred treatment cause i'mppressed" attitude...hense most of my black friends..well no ALL my black friends are africans...i frankly dont like amreekan blacks..with VERY few exceptions..u the kinda person why ...
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so he does not like blacks..GET OVER It....
yanno when i say i dont like black chicks the nignogs all start calling me a racist..but when i say i dont like asian chicks the chinese and japs dont give a FLYING f**k....why is that? do tell mate..? plez explain...why is it a big no no for me to say i dont like black chicks here in the US....yanno what an african chick would say if i said that....she wouldn't give a flying fuck....cause she dosen't walk around all day boohooing about how she feels oppressed..pathctic...if the situation were reversed and a black dude had used the word cracker it wouldn't be prime time news...pathetic i tell ya..
its not societies problem to baby you..up your self esteem ...booofuckain hoo he used the word ni gger..get the f**k over it....unless you really see your self as a nignog..only then you'd take such offence..no?
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Montague,
Those are all very good points you make, however where I have to deviate is this one
Instead blame the system and the society that rewards this type of behavior and makes (made) it possible for a dumb bitch who spilled coffee on herself to win an incontrovertibly frivolous settlement from a billion dollar fast food chain.
At first blush the award for the coffee case seems excessive and opportunitistically litigious, ...and that was my first reaction, ...but when I delved deeper into the case, and understood all the factors behind, I see why the damage award was so high. McDonald's needed to be held accountable for what on their part was a clear case of negligence IMO. They knew it would happen sooner or later, but were going for the odds. When the number came up, the jury saw to it that they paid a steep price.
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most of my black friends..well no ALL my black friends are africans...i frankly dont like amreekan blacks..with VERY few exceptions..u the kinda person why ...
:'( what about Canadians?
It's funny you say that, because you sound like an African. Most Africans don't like North American Blacks either ...with few exceptions.
It's funny that people expect people to be the same all over the world, based on nothing more than skin colour, ...despite different cultures, histories, traditions, and paradigms. To expect that a Black person growing up in a ghetto is going to think the same way or have the same attitudes as someone raised in Africa, or would attract the same friends, is akin to thinking a silver spoon fed kid from a London prep school, is going to be buddies with or attract the same friends as one growing up in the backwoods of Kentucky or Appalachia. Or that the two would feel an automatic kinship.
That said, ...Toxie, you can't move into the heart of Appalachia and declare all those toothless inbreds who may have married their own cousins as representative of all whites, or even all American whites. Look where you are located for crying out loud.
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beach Bum, who cares if kramer uses that language all the time in his life...it's no ones business. I know many people that say that and much worse, just talk to anyone that works the police department in NYC and you'll hear worse all the time. Also, there are many, many blacks that make that talk look like kidergarten talk when talking about whites. Once again, just spend time in a black neighborhhood and you'll see that they all basically hate whites, it works both ways. My view is that there is good and bad in all races and people should be judge individually not as a group.
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Montague,
Those are all very good points you make, however where I have to deviate is this one
At first blush the award for the coffee case seems excessive and opportunitistically litigious, ...and that was my first reaction, ...but when I delved deeper into the case, and understood all the factors behind, I see why the damage award was so high. McDonald's needed to be held accountable for what on their part was a clear case of negligence IMO. They knew it would happen sooner or later, but were going for the odds. When the number came up, the jury saw to it that they paid a steep price.
Sometimes I use a bit of poetic license to prove a point.
Just seems more artistic than many comedians who drop f-bombs faster than Paramount dropped Tom Cruise.
Respectfully, the line where “steep” crosses from justified to frivolous is left to personal interpretation.
Yea, I used to get frustrated when I couldn’t suck a McDonald’s milk shake through the straw they give you, and I remember having to wait for what seemed like hours for their coffee to cool enough to drink it. And I even burned my lip and tongue a few times, but the idea of suing them for it never occurred to me.
Specific to the terms of the case:
I’ll accept the notion that the woman deserved "SOME" compensation. But I also agree that limitations had to be implemented in order to prevent other people from TOTALLY abusing it.
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My view is that there is good and bad in all races and people should be judge individually not as a group.
My God,
If you EVER run for office let me know so I can cast my vote.
I don’t even need to know if you’re a Dem. or Rep. because it doesn’t matter.
You’ve got the RIGHT IDEA!
That’s all that matters.
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Since I aint a phony guy i would never get involved with politics. Also, I can't stand rich, pathetic, soft people with soft, weak kids so i couldn't be a republican....I guess these days my views are more along the lines of a Jesse Ventura. Let me guess, your a republican, right?
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Since I aint a phony guy i would never get involved with politics. Also, I can't stand rich, pathetic, soft people with soft, weak kids so i couldn't be a republican....I guess these days my views are more along the lines of a Jesse Ventura. Let me guess, your a republican, right?
Take it easy.
I'm not rich by any standards, and I don't have any kids (that I know of).
I’m an INDEPENDENT.
I tell people it’s because I refuse to pledge a blind allegiance or devotion to any one political faction.
But really it just means that I don’t vote so I can bitch about no matter who wins.
But I respect the common sense aspect of ideas like yours.
It's honest, straight forward and proves you're NOT a phony, but an independent thinker.
In that respect, you're right: you wouldn't make a very good politician.
Jesse's book is worth reading if you haven't already. ;)
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What did I write that made you suspect I was a Repub?
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Montague, I apologize for thinking you may be a republican, haha. Actually nothing you wrote made me say that, I was just defending my idependent views as well and thought you were bustin my chops about my comment.
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Montague, I apologize for thinking you may be a republican, haha. Actually nothing you wrote made me say that, I was just defending my idependent views as well and thought you were bustin my chops about my comment.
No Prob.
Maybe it's the name - "Montague."
Sounds a little too aristocratic?
Nope, I was serious.
I support whatever ideas make sense to me – REGARDLESS if they come from the Left or Right. Seems foolish not to.
And I happen to agree that it’s wise to judge people individually.
No sarcasm there. 8)
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just spend time in a black neighborhhood and you'll see that they all basically hate whites, it works both ways.
Quickly followed by:
My view is that there is good and bad in all races and people should be judge individually not as a group.
{giggle} Oh ya, your words really have a certain ring of sincerity to them. ::) {lol}
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hahahaha, that's real funny putting it like that, I'm cracking up over here. Truthfully though :-), if a person is good to me, I'm good to them, simple as that. As far as the neighborhoods, go to certain parts of Brooklyn and you'll see what I mean. Even some black guys will say your crazy for being there. Just to make it clear, I'm not racist in any way, I am a realist, however.
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Montague,
Those are all very good points you make, however where I have to deviate is this one
At first blush the award for the coffee case seems excessive and opportunitistically litigious, ...and that was my first reaction, ...but when I delved deeper into the case, and understood all the factors behind, I see why the damage award was so high. McDonald's needed to be held accountable for what on their part was a clear case of negligence IMO. They knew it would happen sooner or later, but were going for the odds. When the number came up, the jury saw to it that they paid a steep price.
Oh horse shit.Any idiot knows coffee is hot. What facts did you discover that makes that case any less ridiculous?
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hahahaha, that's real funny putting it like that, I'm cracking up over here.
Hey I'm sure most of us do it occasionally... I know I have
Truthfully though :-), if a person is good to me, I'm good to them, simple as that. As far as the neighborhoods, go to certain parts of Brooklyn and you'll see what I mean. Even some black guys will say your crazy for being there. Just to make it clear, I'm not racist in any way, I am a realist, however.
I know what you're talking about, and it's sad. On one of my trips to NYC, I stayed with my favourite cousin.
As he showed me around the different neighbourhoods, it was SUCH an eye-opener :o You could walk for blocks, and not see a single white face, or at other times, not see a single black face. I found it very disturbing to be in such a homogenous crowd. It was almost like 'Where'd everybody go?'. Shortly after arriving back, I was telling a friend from Arkansas, "It was so weird, ...it was like I was in a different country or something" {lol} pretty stupid thing to say... especially since I WAS in a different country, ...but still. For years we Canadians had never really considered ourselves, or our country any different than the US... until recently :-\
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Oh horse shit.Any idiot knows coffee is hot. What facts did you discover that makes that case any less ridiculous?
{sigh} you really want me to go look it up? :-\ Tell ya what... just for you I will... when I have time. ;)
It mainly come down to the fact that they knew there was SEVERE risk with the temperatures they were serving the coffee. Many incidents, many warnings, but no action to rectify the situation due to financial considerations. They felt the odds were in their favour and if injury occured they could just settle with a token payment and carry on. Further, the victim suffered horrifically. Take it from someone who has experienced burns to the ...umm ...little muffin, it ain't fun.
Ya you know coffee is hot, ...but it wasn't suppose to be THAT hot.
It's like walking into a sauna, ...ya it's supposed to be hot, ...and you are entering of your own free will, yes, you should expect it to be hot, and you are taking a risk, ...but if the inside was the temperature of the inside of a blast furnace, and your foot disintegrated on contact, ...that's just plain blatant disregard for the public that borders on criminal negligence, ...especially if you willfully neglected to lower the temperature upon your first report of someone's foot disintegrating. Ya you expect it to be hot, ...but not like the surface of the Sun.
...and they didn't put the lid on properly. I'll provide more detailed analysis if and when I find them
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you're starting to REALLY piss me off now ....
STFU...you think everyone should go around loving everyone ....riiiight..its not a fucking perfect world..and most american blacks DO have a " ooo i'm oppressed''i'm pmsing...ooo give me preferred treatment cause i'mppressed" attitude...hense most of my black friends..well no ALL my black friends are africans...i frankly dont like amreekan blacks..with VERY few exceptions..u the kinda person why ...
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so he does not like blacks..GET OVER It....
yanno when i say i dont like black chicks the nignogs all start calling me a racist..but when i say i dont like asian chicks the chinese and japs dont give a FLYING f**k....why is that? do tell mate..? plez explain...why is it a big no no for me to say i dont like black chicks here in the US....yanno what an african chick would say if i said that....she wouldn't give a flying f**k....cause she dosen't walk around all day boohooing about how she feels oppressed..pathctic...if the situation were reversed and a black dude had used the word cracker it wouldn't be prime time news...pathetic i tell ya..
its not societies problem to baby you..up your self esteem ...booofuckain hoo he used the word ni gger..get the f**k over it....unless you really see your self as a nignog..only then you'd take such offence..no?
Good grief. O.K. I made an honest effort to try and read and understand your post. Alas, I cannot. Speak English son. This is America. Go to school, take some English courses, learn to write. I'm sure the janitorial service you work for will let you go to school. It's never too late.
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beach Bum, who cares if kramer uses that language all the time in his life...it's no ones business. I know many people that say that and much worse, just talk to anyone that works the police department in NYC and you'll hear worse all the time. Also, there are many, many blacks that make that talk look like kidergarten talk when talking about whites. Once again, just spend time in a black neighborhhood and you'll see that they all basically hate whites, it works both ways. My view is that there is good and bad in all races and people should be judge individually not as a group.
Legbreaker I could care less if Kramer uses that kind language in his private life. He is free to say whatever he wants in private. Speaking on stage, however, is a privilege. Most bigots are smart enough to confine that kind of talk to private conversations.
Believe me, I hear racist talk all the time. It is alarming. We definitely have a race problem in this country. Just look at some of the comments on this board anytime the race issue comes up.
That said, racists who aren't very bright, and there are many (and I won't mention Toxic's name), don't bother me at all. They'll always be the dregs of society. Smart, educated bigots worry me. I know many of them. Bigots are still ingrained in our society. I hope we get past it one day.
I would actually have more respect for Kramer if he came out and just admitted he is a bigot and tried to work through his problem.
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Kramer should be forced to do a televised racial comedy joust with Jimi Foxx. That would be a good way to settle this mess with everyone watching so we could at least hear some good remarks about people who braid their hair, have too many tattoos, hang at the corner, show their thug pride, exclusively listen to rap, worship materialism, have only hoop dreams, act so ghetto, have silver gold teeth, wear big earrings, brag about girlfriend's they've penetrated, attach themselves to their past gang affiliation, live up their lengthy rap careers, pretent to be remorseful, and only have B-E-T BEHAVIOR.
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Oh horse shit.Any idiot knows coffee is hot. What facts did you discover that makes that case any less ridiculous?
Actally I remember some facts about that case where - at the very least- McD should have paid for her burns. Anyone have them handy? She asked for a few grand for the medical bills and they told her to piss off, there were others with that same problem, and issues with the temp being so hot that it wasn't consumable for x amount of time.
shit.. it eludes me... anyone have that handy? I used to think it was pure bunk but looking at the facts, it seems like they should have paid her med bills if nothing else.
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Legbreaker I could care less if Kramer uses that kind language in his private life. He is free to say whatever he wants in private. Speaking on stage, however, is a privilege. Most bigots are smart enough to confine that kind of talk to private conversations.
Believe me, I hear racist talk all the time. It is alarming. We definitely have a race problem in this country. Just look at some of the comments on this board anytime the race issue comes up.
I would actually have more respect for Kramer if he came out and just admitted he is a bigot and tried to work through his problem.
There is a race problem in this country, but the problem goes both ways. I had to spend some time in kentucky last year and anyone that spent time in kentucky knows racism is still alive. While I was there I went into the Craker Barrel restaurant and couldn't believe the sign in the lobby. I'm not shocked hris Rock's mom has a law suit against them. However, like I said before, if you have spent time in south bornx or any urban community as a white person you ALSO know that racism is still very much alive, lol. With that said, I'm not so sure kramer is a racist even after his comments. He was doing stand up and got flustered when heckeled....he tried to be funny, believe it or not I do think that WAS his (witty) comeback/defense mechanism and it failed real bad. He probably isn't a good stand up, but a racist I'm not so sure.
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:'( what about Canadians?
It's funny you say that, because you sound like an African. Most Africans don't like North American Blacks either ...with few exceptions.
It's funny that people expect people to be the same all over the world, based on nothing more than skin colour, ...despite different cultures, histories, traditions, and paradigms. To expect that a Black person growing up in a ghetto is going to think the same way or have the same attitudes as someone raised in Africa, or would attract the same friends, is akin to thinking a silver spoon fed kid from a London prep school, is going to be buddies with or attract the same friends as one growing up in the backwoods of Kentucky or Appalachia. Or that the two would feel an automatic kinship.
That said, ...Toxie, you can't move into the heart of Appalachia and declare all those toothless inbreds who may have married their own cousins as representative of all whites, or even all American whites. Look where you are located for crying out loud.
i see your point and i i'll stick to mine...most american blacks are insufferable fools...i'll stick to my african and jamican friends...when i'm with em i forget they r black...or white of brown blah..they r just cool confident guys i like hangin with...
PS most r nigerian.euthopian and sierraleonish (sp?)
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Good grief. O.K. I made an honest effort to try and read and understand your post. Alas, I cannot. Speak English son. This is America. Go to school, take some English courses, learn to write. I'm sure the janitorial service you work for will let you go to school. It's never too late.
my high skool diploma..from uni of cambidge...i grad high school at 15..and i go over this again cause you r a relative noob..sans aljebs jeleous shitpile of a brain ..i'm telling ya incase you mistakenly try and feel superior to me or any human child thats got his/her O/A levels..u cant...like all american born you did your SATs...an 8th grader in africa or pakistan can RAPE that test...
so shaddap n igger...and concentrate on what works for ya....ie whining about feeluns oppressed ;D ($ 100 he's gonna whine to ron)
..o wait..i shoulda said " yo..ya u be dissin me gangsta..so yo yo...ho..sh up befo i put a cap in yo ass"
hope this helps.. ;D
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The reality of racial profiling and having pre-conceived notions should be focused on rappers besides the average guy who might get profiled deliberately or accidentally.
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PS most r nigerian.euthopian and sierraleonish (sp?)
Everybody (African) knows you can't trust a Nigerian ;). The only reason why you feel comfortable around non-American blacks, is because they were isolated from the experiences here in the states. So, no chip on the shoulder. But given a awhile , they tend to "understand"
Most of my friends in college were a mixture of Caribbean, African and American blacks ( from PG, NYC,NJ and down south). I called them "Family", and all of us still are "family", regardless of where we came from.
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Actally I remember some facts about that case where - at the very least- McD should have paid for her burns. Anyone have them handy? She asked for a few grand for the medical bills and they told her to piss off, there were others with that same problem, and issues with the temp being so hot that it wasn't consumable for x amount of time.
shit.. it eludes me... anyone have that handy? I used to think it was pure bunk but looking at the facts, it seems like they should have paid her med bills if nothing else.
yeah I withdraw my previous statement...AS ALWAYS there are two sides to everything and I should have reasearched it before making such a post.
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Everybody (African) knows you can't trust a Nigerian ;). The only reason why you feel comfortable around non-American blacks, is because they were isolated from the experiences here in the states. So, no chip on the shoulder. But given a awhile , they tend to "understand"
Most of my friends in college were a mixture of Caribbean, African and American blacks ( from PG, NYC,NJ and down south). I called them "Family", and all of us still are "family", regardless of where we came from.
our manager for all our gas stations is nigerian...cool people ..i trust him and em....
my best friend thru college ws from sierraleon (sp?)...great fucking genes also..shoulda gne pro ...but he preffered drugs.. :-\ great dood though...
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my high skool diploma..from uni of cambidge...i grad high school at 15..and i go over this again cause you r a relative noob..sans aljebs jeleous shitpile of a brain ..i'm telling ya incase you mistakenly try and feel superior to me or any human child thats got his/her O/A levels..u cant...like all american born you did your SATs...an 8th grader in africa or pakistan can RAPE that test...
so shaddap n igger...and concentrate on what works for ya....ie whining about feeluns oppressed ;D ($ 100 he's gonna whine to ron)
..o wait..i shoulda said " yo..ya u be dissin me gangsta..so yo yo...ho..sh up befo i put a cap in yo ass"
hope this helps.. ;D
I doubt you're smart enough to spell SAT. ::)