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In a case of mistaken identity, a 90 yr old granny, home alone was shot to death by 3 police officers.
Three plain clothes police came to her home to serve a warrant. Granny got a gun to protect herself...
and the rest is history. :'( The officers were wounded, but will recover. Granny is dead. :-\
If you're gonna serve a warrant, wear a uniform. ::)
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Where was this story published? Do you have a link for it?
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Where was this story published? Do you have a link for it?
Just heard it on my morning news. I will check their website to see if they have a story posted.
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You're so fvcking biased.
The old bag starts shooting at the police; the police shoot back and somehow it's the police's fault?
It'll teach her to get so trigger-happy.
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The old bag starts shooting at the police; the police shoot back and somehow it's the police's fault?
If they got the wrong address and didn't properly identify themselves, yeah.
If I'm an innocent person who's committed no crime, and some guys come busting into my home, I'm probably gonna start shooting too unless I am clearly sure that they are police.
These guys weren't wearing uniforms, probably didn't clearly identify themselves that the old lady could hear, and if they're like most cops today who overreact to the point of using a sledgehammer to swat a fly, they probably came in breaking her door down with guns drawn.
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Hahahaha!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
I'd love to see a video of this - when I was reading the post I had a picture in my head of Granny screaming like a banshee while pumping rounds into the pollice officers only to be shot down in a hail of bullets hollywood style. ;D
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You're so fvcking biased.
The old bag starts shooting at the police; the police shoot back and somehow it's the police's fault?
It'll teach her to get so trigger-happy.
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Did I assign blame? Did I say the police were wrong for discharging their fire-arms?
sit back...take a deep breathe... click your heels and say 3 X's... "There's no place like home".
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Did I assign blame?
I inferred it from your use of smilies, Sweetcheeks.
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Hahahaha!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
I'd love to see a video of this - when I was reading the post I had a picture in my head of Granny screaming like a banshee while pumping rounds into the pollice officers only to be shot down in a hail of bullets hollywood style. ;D
:o I can't believe you conjured up a mind picture that actually made me laugh at this! >:( you're an evil man.
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Woman, 92, dies in shootout with police
POSTED: 9:17 a.m. EST, November 22, 2006
ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Narcotics officers were justified in returning fire on a 92-year-old woman they shot to death as they tried to serve a warrant at her house, a police official said.
Neighbors and relatives said it was a case of mistaken identity. But police said the woman, identified as Kathryn Johnston, was the only resident in the house at the time and had lived there for about 17 years.
Assistant Chief Alan Dreher said the officers had a legal warrant and "knocked and announced" before they forced open the door. He said they were justified in shooting once they were fired upon. (Watch niece's fury at police shooting )
As the plainclothes Atlanta police officers approached the house about 7 p.m. Monday, a woman inside started shooting, striking each of them, said Officer Joe Cobb, a police spokesman.
One was hit in the arm, another in a thigh and the third in a shoulder. The officers were taken to a hospital for treatment, and all three were conscious and alert, police said.
Sarah Dozier, identified as a niece of the woman, told WAGA-TV that there were never any drugs at the house.
"My aunt was in good health. I'm sure she panicked when they kicked that door down," Dozier said. "There was no reason they had to go in there and shoot her down like a dog."
The Rev. Markel Hutchins, a civil rights leader, said Johnston's family deserves an apology.
"Of the police brutality cases we've had, this is the most egregious because of the woman's age," Hutchins said.
Hutchins said he would try to meet with Atlanta Police Chief Richard Pennington and would also meet with lawyers.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/22/woman.shot.ap/index.html
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Did I assign blame?
It appears you did:
If you're gonna serve a warrant, wear a uniform. ::)
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An innocent black woman getting shot to death by law enforcement officers in the South. Surprise! Surprise!
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You're so fvcking biased.
The old bag starts shooting at the police; the police shoot back and somehow it's the police's fault?
It'll teach her to get so trigger-happy.
those cops should recieve the death penalty, plain and simple.
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those cops should recieve the death penalty, plain and simple.
Objective as per usual, Dave.
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well amc1980 is a cop. :D
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Objective as per usual, Dave.
why should they be any exception to the law, if i was the judge they'd be finished, the death warrants would be signed that day.
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well amc1980 is a cop. :D
No, Dude, I'm a law student in England.
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No, Dude, I'm a law student in England.
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Then it looks like you're the bias mother fucker here ;)
http://www.local6.com/news/10379029/detail.html?rss=orlpn&psp=news
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No matter what happened, the cops will cover it up to minimize bad publicity. If any of the 3 are pensionable, he will be the fall guy.
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I fail to see the problem. Police enter the premises after announcing that they are there, they are then are shot at by crazed nonagenarian and return fire killing the perp.
Justified homicide, in my opinion.
Medals all round for the boys in blue. :)
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I fail to see the problem. Police enter the premises after announcing that they are there, they are then are shot at by crazed nonagenarian and return fire killing the perp.
Justified homicide, in my opinion.
Medals all round for the boys in blue. :)
My mistake... amc1980 is a federal agent ;D
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She was 90+, she's had a good innings, most of us won't be that lucky!
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She was 90+, she's had a good innings, most of us won't be that lucky!
shit, you're right, target practice this saturday on 90+ year olds ;D
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She was 90+, she's had a good innings, most of us won't be that lucky!
Exactamundo, Manni!
(To plagiarise Bill Hicks) How would you rather remember Granny going? Dying all alone of cancer on a cold hospital ward, or, going out all guns-a-blazing Steven Segal style?
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I fail to see the problem. Police enter the premises after announcing that they are there, they are then are shot at by crazed nonagenarian and return fire killing the perp.
Justified homicide, in my opinion.
Medals all round for the boys in blue. :)
Are you not able to put yourself in the old lady's place?
You're home alone, you're not a criminal, you don't associate with criminals, and you have absolutely no reason to expect the police to come busting into your house. All of a sudden, your door comes smashing in, and three guys (not in uniforms of any kind that would identify them as police) with guns charge at you. What do you do? Probably the same thing the old lady did. Is it so hard to see it from her perspective? ::)
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Are you not able to put yourself in the old lady's place?
You're home alone, you're not a criminal, you don't associate with criminals, and you have absolutely no reason to expect the police to come busting into your house. All of a sudden, your door comes smashing in, and three guys (not in uniforms of any kind that would identify them as police) with guns charge at you. What do you do? Probably the same thing the old lady did. Is it so hard to see it from her perspective? ::)
he would never understand, he's the type of guy who would let a cop give him a cavity search just because he asked.
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Are you not able to put yourself in the old lady's place?
You're home alone, you're not a criminal, you don't associate with criminals, and you have absolutely no reason to expect the police to come busting into your house. All of a sudden, your door comes smashing in, and three guys (not in uniforms of any kind that would identify them as police) with guns charge at you. What do you do? Probably the same thing the old lady did. Is it so hard to see it from her perspective? ::)
If I'm being honest, I'm really bored and doing a "Jimmy".
I think there is a cultural barrier here. We don't have a right to arm ourselves in England, and nor do the police routinely kick in our front doors and shoot people. (Unless you are a suspected terrorist, that is.) I feel bad for the old women and I can see why she may have reacted in the way she did, but I also think that people are being too quick in condemning the police.
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Exactamundo, Manni!
(To plagiarise Bill Hicks) How would you rather remember Granny going? Dying all alone of cancer on a cold hospital ward, or, going out all guns-a-blazing Steven Segal style?
listen up bitch... :D
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If I'm being honest, I'm really bored and doing a "Jimmy".
I think there is a cultural barrier here. We don't have a right to arm ourselves in England, and nor do the police routinely kick in our front doors and shoot people. (Unless you are a suspected terrorist, that is.) I feel bad for the old women and I can see why she may have reacted in the way she did, but I also think that people are being too quick in condemning the police.
You need to fix that bullshit. :-\
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What bullshit, dude?
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Woman, 92, dies in shootout with policeAs the plainclothes Atlanta police officers approached the house about 7 p.m. Monday, a woman inside started shooting, striking each of them, said Officer Joe Cobb, a police spokesman.
If they were fired on "as they approached the house", as the article says, they are completly justified if firing back.
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If they were fired on "as they approached the house", as the article says, they are completly justified if firing back.
You fogot to highlight this part; "said Officer Joe Cobb, a police spokesman"
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Ma Baker, she taught her four sons,
Ma Baker, to handle their guns,
Ma Baker, she never could cry,
MA Baker but she knew how to die!!
;D
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You fogot to highlight this part; "said Officer Joe Cobb, a police spokesman"
No, thats why I started the sentence with IF. 8)
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If they were fired on "as they approached the house", as the article says, they are completly justified if firing back.
You are naive if you believe that... :P
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You are naive if you believe that... :P
No, just don't care.
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I heard the cops went to UCLA.
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It appears you did:
I hadn't assigned blame, ...but the more that I think about it, the more I'm leaning in that direction.
Supposedly, she didn't fire until after they forced her door down and entered the home.
In a nation where people have the right to bear arms, it's ridiculous to expect that plainclothes officers can serve "'JOHN DOE' NO KNOCK" warrants, and not expect trouble. I think if an officer is being fired on, they have every right to fire back... no question about it, ...but for crying out loud! ::)
The police spokesman couldn't even release the name of the drug that was supposedly bought at the house, because the lab had yet to certify the substance supposedly purchased as a drug. Well if your crime lab hadn't even certified it as a drug, ...where do you get off issuing an arrest warrant? And who's bright idea was it to have a NO KNOCK warrant served by plain clothes officers?
It wouldn't surprise me if they got the address wrong. An actor friend of mine in NYC was terrorized in his apartment one night when offficers kicked his door in, they came in with guns drawn. Turned out they were at the wrong apartment. They left... no apologies, and he was stuck in an apartment with no door on it.
Why do I have the feeling that if it was Patty Hearst, a no knock john doe warrant would not have been issued, but a phone call would more than likely have been made requesting Ms Hearst present herself to the station accompanied by her legal team?
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I don't see the issue, she FIRED A GUN AT POLICE. They had every right to shoot this woman. It doesnt matter that she wasnt a criminal or that she was a sweet old lady, she shot at the cops and she got shot. How many 92 yr old ladies do you know that have a gun sitting next to them at all times. Unless, as the cops were rushing the home, she ran to another room loaded the gun and then waited for them to come in. Either way she should not have shot at the police.
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I don't see the issue, she FIRED A GUN AT POLICE. They had every right to shoot this woman. It doesnt matter that she wasnt a criminal or that she was a sweet old lady, she shot at the cops and she got shot. How many 92 yr old ladies do you know that have a gun sitting next to them at all times. Unless, as the cops were rushing the home, she ran to another room loaded the gun and then waited for them to come in. Either way she should not have shot at the police.
In some of the roughest parts of town, ...I'm sure there are many, but that's besides the point.
You have no idea how vulnerable the elderly feel living alone. They are scary vulnerable.
There is no question in my mind that if officers are being fired upon, they have every right to return fire. I just think it's sad, and that this should have had an entirely different outcome. I don't think it unreasonable to speculate that had they waited to ensure what they had was actually a drug, ...and actually had the right address, and presented a warrant without kicking her door in, things might have been different. Wtf goes in all dirty harry without a little surveillance first?
Granny should be in her house right now, and those cops should be filing paperwork instead of being in the hospital.
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In some of the roughest parts of town, ...I'm sure there are many, but that's besides the point.
You have no idea how vulnerable the elderly feel living alone. They are scary vulnerable.
There is no question in my mind that if officers are being fired upon, they have every right to return fire. I just think it's sad, and that this should have had an entirely different outcome. I don't think it unreasonable to speculate that had they waited to ensure what they had was actually a drug, ...and actually had the right address, and presented a warrant without kicking her door in, things might have been different. Wtf goes in all dirty harry without a little surveillance first?
Granny should be in her house right now, and those cops should be filing paperwork instead of being in the hospital.
It doesn't matter what part of town your in, 90+ yr old woman do not always have loaded firearms next to them. I do know how the elderly feel, especially living alone in a bad area. I grew up in a very dangerous city that was run by drugs. Also, you do not do a drug raid by knocking on the door and asking if the address is correct and shaking hands. Any cop, drug enforcement agnet, or anyone that has ever raided a home will tell you that. I don't think it's sad at all. Unfortunate, maybe, but definetly not sad.
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You don't think the fact that a person is dead, and three officers were hospitalized is sad? :o
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It's not good, I don't want to come off as a meanie. I just don't think it deserves nationwide attention, and constant debate. Yes I suppose it could be a sad time, I'm not a very emotional person. For people, not nessecarily you, to consider blaming the police is crazy. We have to stop telling people to protect us and then questioning everything they do. (paraphrased from "A Few Good Men")
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We have to stop telling people to protect us and then questioning everything they do.
Who's gonna protect us from them?
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Dont commit a crime, fire a gun at police, or go to the library without a pass and you'll be just fine. ;D
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Dont commit a crime, fire a gun at police, or go to the library without a pass and you'll be just fine. ;D
You forgot, "don't be minding your own business at home alone when you're 90." ::)
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That too. So :
No firing at the police
No crimes
No undocumented library presence
No hanging around the house after the age of 90
and last but not least..for all you reverse racists...
No being black.
Does that sum everything up?
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pssst - you forgot about being a swarthy middle easterner... or looking like one
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ok so no beards or turbans. anything else?
how about NO taking LSD, getting into a high speed chase, then attcking police?
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No being within gunshot of a storm trooper. ...covers all the bases. :)
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you forgot, "no being a pyramid schemer".
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you forgot, "no being a pyramid schemer".
HAHAHAHAHA
How about no stealing back the Sankara stones from the Maharajah of Pankot. Even if it is to save a village.
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Everyone knows how the police "announce" themselves when serving a search warrant. ::) They bang on the door,yell "POLICE! SEARCH WARRANT" and then immediately bash the door in with a battering ram. So don't try and give me this shit that they announced they were police. ::) Of coarse if she was shooting at them they had no choice but to defend themselves,so in that regards I suppose the shooting was justified(sort of :-\ ?) but the police are the ones responsible because THEY SHOULD KNOW WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that they have the correct location before they do one of their GUNG HO,bash the door in search warrants.
They no doubt will not be punished by the law,however,they have to live with themselves and I hope they are miserable over this.
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"Atlanta Police Asst. Chief Alan Dreher said at a news conference Wednesday that an undercover officer made a drug purchase at Johnston's address late Tuesday afternoon from a male suspect. Officers were able to obtain a search warrant after that.
Dreher said as the officers were executing the search warrant, the officers announced themselves and then forced open the door. Officials said the warrant was a "No Knock" warrant -- meaning that the officers did not knock before forcing open the door, but they did announce themselves.
Dreher said as soon as the officers forced open the door, Johnston shot at the officers and the officers returned fire to protect themselves. One officer was shot 3 times -- once in the leg, on the side of the face and once in his bulletproof vest. One officer was hit in the leg and another hit in their arm.
Dreher said a marked patrol vehicle was parked in front of the residence and the word "Police" was written across the front and back of the narcotics team's vests. He also said only a matter of minutes passed between when officers arrived at the scene and when they forced open the door."
http://www.local6.com/news/10379029/detail.html?rss=orlpn&psp=news
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weird story. sounds like her grandson was making meth and she got stupid. Or, they made up a good story quick.
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"Atlanta Police Asst. Chief Alan Dreher said at a news conference Wednesday that an undercover officer made a drug purchase at Johnston's address late Tuesday afternoon from a male suspect. Officers were able to obtain a search warrant after that.
Dreher said as the officers were executing the search warrant, the officers announced themselves and then forced open the door. Officials said the warrant was a "No Knock" warrant -- meaning that the officers did not knock before forcing open the door, but they did announce themselves.
Dreher said as soon as the officers forced open the door, Johnston shot at the officers and the officers returned fire to protect themselves. One officer was shot 3 times -- once in the leg, on the side of the face and once in his bulletproof vest. One officer was hit in the leg and another hit in their arm.
Dreher said a marked patrol vehicle was parked in front of the residence and the word "Police" was written across the front and back of the narcotics team's vests. He also said only a matter of minutes passed between when officers arrived at the scene and when they forced open the door."
http://www.local6.com/news/10379029/detail.html?rss=orlpn&psp=news
Like I said,everyone knows how they announce and then bash in the door as soon as they say it.No doubt this is to prevent someone from having time to escape/arm themselves or what have you.The error wasn't in the fact that they were forced to defend themselves;It was the fact they were apparently at the wrong place.(this is my understanding from this thread)The woman would not be dead if they had not gone there by mistake.
One thing that does seem weird.Why would a 90 year old woman open fire on the police? That just seems strange to me.It isn't the way you would expect an old woman to behave,even if someone barged into her house.
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Like I said,everyone knows how they announce and then bash in the door as soon as they say it.No doubt this is to prevent someone from having time to escape/arm themselves or what have you.The error wasn't in the fact that they were forced to defend themselves;It was the fact they were apparently at the wrong place.(this is my understanding from this thread)The woman would not be dead if they had not gone there by mistake.
One thing that does seem weird.Why would a 90 year old woman open fire on the police? That just seems strange to me.It isn't the way you would expect an old woman to behave,even if someone barged into her house.
An undercover officer purchased drugs from a male at the old woman's residence. The article also states that suspected narcotics were recovered from the home but police are awaiting lab results to confirm that. Let's assume that it turns out the police had the wrong address. This doesn't change the fact that the elderly woman opened fire on the officers. One officer was shot 3 times. Another was hit in the leg and yet another was hit in their arm. They announced themselves before they entered and were wearing bullet proof vests with the word "Police" written across both the front and back. There is no way the woman could have pulled off at least 5 shots (only counting the ones that landed) and still mistaken them for robbers, especially with the word "Police" written across the front and back of their vests.
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weird story. sounds like her grandson was making meth and she got stupid. Or, they made up a good story quick.
She had no kids. Her closest relative was her 75 yr. old neice who bought her the house. She lived there alone for the past 12 yrs.
I really don't see what the police car sitting out front has to do with anything. If someone is breaking in your door, ...you're not going to stop to run outside to see what kind of a ride they came in.
And what's to stop ANYONE from claiming to be cops trying to effect an arrest warrant. Any cop coming into my home claiming to have a warrant, had better knock on my door, and show me that warrant or convince me they are infact police officers, before s/he gets my co-operation.
And let's not kid ourselves, warrants are often executed in different manners, in different neighbourhoods.
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An undercover officer purchased drugs from a male at the old woman's residence. The article also states that suspected narcotics were recovered from the home but police are awaiting lab results to confirm that. Let's assume that it turns out the police had the wrong address. This doesn't change the fact that the elderly woman opened fire on the officers. One officer was shot 3 times. Another was hit in the leg and yet another was hit in their arm. They announced themselves before they entered and were wearing bullet proof vests with the word "Police" written across both the front and back. There is no way the woman could have pulled off at least 5 shots (only counting the ones that landed) and still mistaken them for robbers, especially with the word "Police" written across the front and back of their vests.
Maybe in Toronto, because police uniforms are hard to come by, ...but in the USA, ANYONE can purchase a police uniform. Just about every professional working actor in NYC owns their own NYPD uniform. and at 92, who says she can see well enough to read.
I just think it's horrible that the police went there to arrest a late 20's early 30 something man, and a 92 yr old woman is dead, and they are hospitalized. One of those cops got shot in the face! :o That's a horrible outcome.
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. Let's assume that it turns out the police had the wrong address. This doesn't change the fact that the elderly woman opened fire on the officers. One officer was shot 3 times. Another was hit in the leg and yet another was hit in their arm.
I agree. I said that they had no choice but to defend themselves. I did not know about the under cover drug buy at that house. I was under the impresion that they were there by mistake....But as far as the announcing goes give me a break. DO they or Do they not,yell "POLICE ! SEARCH WARRANT," about a half second before they bash in the door? I am not saying that is a bad thing,if they are 100% sure that they have a legit reason to be there.They for sure would not want to give someone time to escape,arm themselves or perhaps flush dope down the toilet...all I am saying is that split second warning is not enough to keep someone from being alarmed.
I am thinking that this little old lady probably wasn't so Innocent.Maybe she was trying to protect her son or something..The way this thread started it was made out like the cops busted into the completely wrong place and scared her and she shot at them.( I believe it was called A case of mistaken identity)Evidentally there is much more to it than that.
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weird story. sounds like her grandson was making meth and she got stupid. Or, they made up a good story quick.
Hmmm! So you are saying this could be some kind of conspiracy?
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yep - ppl do use fake badges to gain entrance. when the cops knock on my door, i always make sure i see there are a group in a well lit area and that I can see their car. I used to live in a high crime area and they'd be knocking frequently and it was always the same thing - ppl don't wanna ip en their door up to the law.
One time, I heard a pounding (guy upstairs was smacking his woman and they came to our door. I ran outta my room in the middle of the night racking the glock. The cop at the door (my brother had already answered) - his eyes got HUGE as he sees this guy running out in boxer shots and that familiar racking of the piece. I saw them and very slowly put it down and came over and chatted with them. They had no problem, we all actually laughed about it (cop said he nearly shit himeself when he saw a half dressed guy running out racking a handgun) but that shit like that can happen when it's dark, people are confused, and cops came outta nowhere.
if I had lived near a UCLA campus, I might have caught a bullet for racking a gun that day. Luckily down here, it's a bunch of good old boys and 1 in 10 cars has a pistol anyway. You see so many waist and hup bulges you can pretyt much tell who is a 1911, who is a glock man, who is a sig man based upon their shirt printing :)
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Hmmm! So you are saying this could be some kind of conspiracy?
Oh Puleaze! Like a cop wouldn't do that to cover his ass? An accidental shooting has gotta be a one of a cops worst nightmares, ...and a 92 yr old granny to top it off. I wouldn't consider it farfetched for cops to try to head of a PR nightmare, and save a few good men from going down. Think about it.
She shot at THEM, they discharged in self-defense, ...yet who the heck wants to be in that situation?
mistakes happen, ...and sometimes those mistakes are covered up, or compensated for.
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It's that cocked up liberal order of the world you Yanks adopted. Bush and his new liberal passonate Conservative beliefs. You all do know those neo Conservatives are liberals! ::) First your OSS metling over the years gets Britain on commie lockdown now you Yanks have cops gone wild. You can keep it.
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Lacky!
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and at 92, who says she can see well enough to read.
apparently she could see well enough to shoot one officer 3 times and 2 others, once each. ;)
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apparently she could see well enough to shoot one officer 3 times and 2 others, once each. ;)
hahahaha just think what would have happened if she COULD see.
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apparently she could see well enough to shoot one officer 3 times and 2 others, once each. ;)
Touché... but clearly not well enough to make it count... or she'd be alive today.
I'm not an advocate for shooting or killing the police, ...but if you're going to shoot at an armed cop,
you darn well better make sure you toast him ...on the first shot, ...cause he's fer sure gonna kill you.
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Touché... but clearly not well enough to make it count... or she'd be alive today.
I'm not an advocate for shooting or killing the police, ...but if you're going to shoot at an armed cop,
you darn well better make sure you toast him ...on the first shot, ...cause he's fer sure gonna kill you.
are you FRENCH >:(
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are you FRENCH >:(
...sometimes. :P
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(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/23/kathryn_johnston_narrowweb__300x444,0.jpg)
If that picture doesn't scream drug "Kingpin", I don't know what does?
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Uh oh.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/27/atlanta.shooting/index.html
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first off I think the old bat did surprisingly well :o.... how many times did I watch Cops and none of these poor fuckers come even close to what she was capable of WITH 90 FUCKIN YEARS.
I mean think how embarrassing that must be for the cops, they get SHOT and HIT by a 90 YEAR OLD lol.
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In an update to this story, 3 cops are being charged with MURDER.
Turns out, they LIED to a judge in order to receive the 'no-knock' warrant.
An officer DID NOT infact purchase cocaine at the home, as he had stated to obtain the warrant to begin with. He was instead 'told' by an 'informant' (aka police snitch) that drugs were being sold at the house.
One of the officers could also be charged with perjury.
Officials now want to look into both when, as well as how often a 'no-knock' warrant should be used.
I guess this means that all of you who instantly jumped to conclusions about the granny, as well as her grandson (even tho she didn't have any kids) need to rethink your thought processes as well as how and why you come to some of the conclusions you come to. 8)
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An undercover officer purchased drugs from a male at the old woman's residence. The article also states that suspected narcotics were recovered from the home but police are awaiting lab results to confirm that. Let's assume that it turns out the police had the wrong address. This doesn't change the fact that the elderly woman opened fire on the officers. One officer was shot 3 times. Another was hit in the leg and yet another was hit in their arm. They announced themselves before they entered and were wearing bullet proof vests with the word "Police" written across both the front and back. There is no way the woman could have pulled off at least 5 shots (only counting the ones that landed) and still mistaken them for robbers, especially with the word "Police" written across the front and back of their vests.
No drugs were found in the home. The officers lied to obtain the warrant, and are now being charged with MURDER.
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No drugs were found in the home. The officers lied to obtain the warrant, and are now being charged with MURDER.
A COP LIED...imagine that.
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(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/23/kathryn_johnston_narrowweb__300x444,0.jpg)
Dear, "gun-toting" Granny (and Jag).
I am truly sorry I ever doubted your innocence.
I have a sore throat today, so I am feeling your pain. If that's any consolation?
All the best,
AMC1980.
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In an update to this story, 3 cops are being charged with MURDER.
Turns out, they LIED to a judge in order to receive the 'no-knock' warrant.
An officer DID NOT infact purchase cocaine at the home, as he had stated to obtain the warrant to begin with. He was instead 'told' by an 'informant' (aka police snitch) that drugs were being sold at the house.
One of the officers could also be charged with perjury.
Officials now want to look into both when, as well as how often a 'no-knock' warrant should be used.
I guess this means that all of you who instantly jumped to conclusions about the granny, as well as her grandson (even tho she didn't have any kids) need to rethink your thought processes as well as how and why you come to some of the conclusions you come to. 8)
So what happened to innocent until proven guilty? [being sarcastic]
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(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/23/kathryn_johnston_narrowweb__300x444,0.jpg)
If that picture doesn't scream drug "Kingpin", I don't know what does?
Surprised I missed this the first time around, but... that picture screams "Queen for a Day!"
It's not unusual in some cultures to honour and revere family matriarchs, ...especially in African American culture.
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AMC1980 & NeoSeminole you both have egg all over their faces >:(
Two Cops Plead Guilty in Fatal Shooting
Elderly Woman Slain by Police During Botched Raid
By HARRY R. WEBER, AP
ATLANTA (April 26) -- Two police officers pleaded guilty Thursday to federal and state charges, including manslaughter, in the death of a 92-year-old woman during a botched drug raid in which 39 gunshots were fired into her home and marijuana was planted there to cover up the crime.
A third officer still faces charges in the woman's death.
Officer J.R. Smith told a state judge that he regretted what had happened.
"I'm sorry," the 35-year-old said, his voice barely audible. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter, violation of oath, criminal solicitation, making false statements and perjury, which was based on untrue claims in a no-knock warrant obtained to enter Kathryn Johnston's home on Nov. 21.
Former Officer Gregg Junnier, 40, who retired from the Atlanta police force in January, pleaded guilty to manslaughter, violation of oath, criminal solicitation and making false statements.
In a hearing Thursday afternoon in federal court, each man pleaded guilty to a single charge of conspiracy to violate a person's civil rights, resulting in death.
U.S. Attorney David Nahmias told The Associated Press the recommended federal sentence for Junnier will be 10 years and one month in prison.
He said the recommended federal sentence for Smith would be 12 years, seven months.
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Methinks the woman's neice is about to get rich courtesy of the city of Atlanta! :)
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yawn, this incident happened over 5 months ago. The information provided in the latest article contradicts what was said before and therefore, should not be factored as part of our previous discussion. I simply went by the "facts" given to me at the time as any rational person would do. How the f*ck was I supposed to know the police shot a 90 yr old woman for no reason and then planted marijuana in her house to cover up?
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what sucks too is some civil rights guy is wanting her to be declared a hero? WTF a hero. stupid asses.
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what sucks too is some civil rights guy is wanting her to be declared a hero? WTF a hero. stupid asses.
She's a martyr that exposes police misconduct. For some that makes her a hero.
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yawn, this incident happened over 5 months ago. The information provided in the latest article contradicts what was said before and therefore, should not be factored as part of our previous discussion. I simply went by the "facts" given to me at the time as any rational person would do. How the f*ck was I supposed to know the police shot a 90 yr old woman for no reason and then planted marijuana in her house to cover up?
But you sure swallowed the manure they gave out for public consumption without questioning any of the discrepancies or unusual circumstances tho didn't you?
Hey Neo, ...I bet it's gotta burn you that 'conspiracy boy' pegged it right from the start. huh? ;D
A quick story trying to cover their butts. Does anyone even question how or why they would have marijuana on them to even plant to try to further incriminate the victim? Were they already stoned when they got there? Did they just smoke a blunt, and use their left overs to plant? What was the mysterious substance they removed from the premises to test to see if it was cocaine? Was it infact the all-purpose flour she used when baking bread? Enquiring minds want to know?
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She's a martyr that exposes police misconduct. For some that makes her a hero.
No, that makes her dead... there is nothing heroic there.
Now, if she had shot one of them when they busted in her house for no reason, THEN I'd call her a hero.
She has to do something to be heroic... She didn't get that chance.
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Surprised I missed this the first time around, but... that picture screams "Queen for a Day!"
It's not unusual in some cultures to honour and revere family matriarchs, ...especially in African American culture.
i dont think its that deep, looks more like a picture for humor, hence her smile.
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I say they were justified in the shooting...under NO circumstances should it be allowed for someone to shoot at the police. I bet Rev Sharpton and Jesse jackson got involved too saying that race was involved and they were picking on her cause she was black...at least when they shot her they made sure they killed her.
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She's a martyr that exposes police misconduct. For some that makes her a hero.
horse poop! Besides she was 90, almost dead anyway. Seems like most of these civil rights people are more about showing their mugs on camara acting like idjits than, well civil rights.
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You're so fvcking biased.
The old bag starts shooting at the police; the police shoot back and somehow it's the police's fault?
It'll teach her to get so trigger-happy.
if some plain clothed people burst into your house ya wouldn't shoot? what kinda man r you? ya wouldn't protect your family?
..i would..
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But you sure swallowed the manure they gave out for public consumption without questioning any of the discrepancies or unusual circumstances tho didn't you?
ha ha ha ha, nukka please! What discrepancies? Now you are just pulling shit out of your ass.
Hey Neo, ...I bet it's gotta burn you that 'conspiracy boy' pegged it right from the start. huh?
not really. Some 90 yr old lady who opened fire on police is dead. Whoop-tee-doo. It's inconsequential to me whether the officers planted the marijuana afterwards or not. That still doesn't take away from the fact that she shot at them multiple times. If you pull a gun on a police officer, you can expect to get shot at.
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if some plain clothed people burst into your house ya wouldn't shoot? what kinda man r you? ya wouldn't protect your family?
..i would..
The officers announced themselves before entering and wore bullet proof vests with the word "Police" written across the front and back. Now call me crazy but if a bunch of men wearing vests with "Police" written on them burst into my house all of a sudden, the last thing I would do is open fire.
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ha ha ha ha, nukka please! What discrepancies? Now you are just pulling shit out of your ass.
Are you trying to say that the way the entire thing went down didn't strike you as the least bit odd? ???
not really. Some 90 yr old lady who opened fire on police is dead. Whoop-tee-doo. It's inconsequential to me whether the officers planted the marijuana afterwards or not. That still doesn't take away from the fact that she shot at them multiple times. If you pull a gun on a police officer, you can expect to get shot at.
You don't give a crap about Nazi storm troopers busting into someone's house with guns, ...after lying to a judge to get a warrant, bearing false witness and victimizing the very citizens they swore an oth to serve & protect? ???
How misaligned is YOUR moral compass? Wait 'til that happens to you, ...ya I know,
...it could never happen to you, ...cause you don't break the law right? ...neither did granny. ::)
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Are you trying to say that the way the entire thing went down didn't strike you as the least bit odd?
nope. The officers believed drugs were being sold at the house. When they entered the residence, they were met with gun fire. The police responded how any officer would - return fire. Why would this strike me as odd?
You don't give a crap about Nazi storm troopers busting into someone's house with guns, ...after lying to a judge to get a warrant, bearing false witness and victimizing the very citizens they swore an oth to serve & protect?
are you a minority by any chance?
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The officers announced themselves before entering and wore bullet proof vests with the word "Police" written across the front and back. Now call me crazy but if a bunch of men wearing vests with "Police" written on them burst into my house all of a sudden, the last thing I would do is open fire.
announced themselves ::) she ws OLD...old people cant hear well..
they cant see well either..
sometimes i DO miss pakistan..if this had happened there..those officers woulda suffered terrible trajedies in the following weeks.. :)
the memorial services woulda been on the teli and all..the officers woulda even gotton awards with free vacations for the families! :)
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announced themselves she ws OLD...old people cant hear well..
bwahahahaha, sure. Have you ever watched the police raid a house before? They don't exactly whisper "Police. Police. Everybody get down on the ground now."
they cant see well either..
I said this earlier and I'll say it again. Apparently she could see well enough to shoot one officer 3 times and 2 others, once each.
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sometimes i DO miss pakistan..if this had happened there..those officers woulda suffered terrible trajedies in the following weeks.. :)
hahaha
If it were anywhere in that part of the world you'd just pay the head cop to axe the fucker who probably shot up the lady or just create a scapegoat out of the blue. ;D
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I said this earlier and I'll say it again. Apparently she could see well enough to shoot one officer 3 times and 2 others, once each.
kinda easy to aim when someone coming straight at ya! :-\
i kinda have shot a lotta guns in a previous life..
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nope. The officers believed drugs were being sold at the house. When they entered the residence, they were met with gun fire. The police responded how any officer would - return fire. Why would this strike me as odd?
are you a minority by any chance?
Well, it does go back to how information is determined... Did the cops Lie or not... If they did, then it sorta doesn't matter if they "thought" there were drugs there. They can believe in the Invisible Spaghetti Monster in the sky, but that doesn't give them the right to lie to get a warrant to bust into someone's house does it?
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Well, it does go back to how information is determined... Did the cops Lie or not... If they did, then it sorta doesn't matter if they "thought" there were drugs there. They can believe in the Invisible Spaghetti Monster in the sky, but that doesn't give them the right to lie to get a warrant to bust into someone's house does it?
I think you misunderstood the context in which I wrote my post. I was responding to jaguar who asked me if I found anything odd about the initial police report.
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if some plain clothed people burst into your house ya wouldn't shoot? what kinda man r you? ya wouldn't protect your family?
..i would..
Afraid not, old chap.
I am white, middle class and English. We do not have armed strangers bursting through our front doors.
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I think you misunderstood the context in which I wrote my post. I was responding to jaguar who asked me if I found anything odd about the initial police report.
Ah... I stand corrected... Excuse my misunderstanding.
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nope. The officers believed drugs were being sold at the house. When they entered the residence, they were met with gun fire. The police responded how any officer would - return fire. Why would this strike me as odd?
Not referring to the officers' response to the gun fire. I'm talking about the events leading up to it.
are you a minority by any chance?
Don't even pull the race card BS on me. I first heard about the story on my local news, ...which btw doesn't pull BS like that. I had no idea the granny in question happened to be Black until after people here posted stories off the net. The whole procedure sounded off to me. The fact that she was Black is irrelevant to the fact that she was a victim of police misconduct. Misconduct that launched a sequence of events which resulted in her death and the hospitalization of 3 officers.
Just stick your tail between your legs and admit you were wrong. Nip this in the bud and stop making a further fool of yourself by trying to justify and defend the indefensible.
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Afraid not, old chap.
I am white, middle class and English. We do not have armed strangers bursting through our front doors.
well mate, then your previous argument like your cric team.....ws infact moot! ;D
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Not referring to the officers' response to the gun fire. I'm talking about the events leading up to it.
bullshit, and you know it. You're looking at this incident with hindsight bias. Re-read the initial news article. Here is an excerpt in case you are too lazy to find it.
"Narcotics officers were justified in returning fire on a 92-year-old woman they shot to death as they tried to serve a warrant at her house, a police official said.
Assistant Chief Alan Dreher said the officers had a legal warrant and 'knocked and announced' before they forced open the door. He said they were justified in shooting once they were fired upon."
This is what I based my response off of. Nowhere does it say the officers lied to get a warrant or they planted marijuana in her home to cover up their actions. So spare me your juvenile 'I-told-you-so' bullshit.
Don't even pull the race card BS on me. I first heard about the story on my local news, ...which btw doesn't pull BS like that. I had no idea the granny in question happened to be Black until after people here posted stories off the net. The whole procedure sounded off to me. The fact that she was Black is irrelevant to the fact that she was a victim of police misconduct. Misconduct that launched a sequence of events which resulted in her death and the hospitalization of 3 officers.
just answer the damn question. It sounds to me like you are trying to justify the woman shooting at police b/c you are a minority. >:(
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bullshit, and you know it. You're looking at this incident with hindsight bias. Re-read the initial news article. Here is an excerpt in case you are too lazy to find it.
"Narcotics officers were justified in returning fire on a 92-year-old woman they shot to death as they tried to serve a warrant at her house, a police official said.
Assistant Chief Alan Dreher said the officers had a legal warrant and 'knocked and announced' before they forced open the door. He said they were justified in shooting once they were fired upon."
This is what I based my response off of. Nowhere does it say the officers lied to get a warrant or they planted marijuana in her home to cover up their actions. So spare me your juvenile 'I-told-you-so' bullshit.
just answer the damn question. It sounds to me like you are trying to justify the woman shooting at police b/c you are a minority. >:(
Go re-read this thread from the beginning ...then blush with embarassment, ...and come back and apologize. ;)
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Go re-read this thread from the beginning ...then blush with embarassment, ...and come back and apologize.
actually, you're the one who needs to re-read this thread from the beginning. You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about, but I'm sure in your mind you said something witty as evidenced by your wink. Pay close attention to post #10 and its date. I will accept your apology when you are ready.
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actually, you're the one who needs to re-read this thread from the beginning. You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about, but I'm sure in your mind you said something witty as evidenced by your wink. Pay close attention to post #10 and its date. I will accept your apology when you are ready.
Read post #37, ...then kiss my ass! :)
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Read post #37, ...then kiss my ass!
too bad you contradict what you said in your first post. ;)
In a case of mistaken identity, a 90 yr old granny, home alone was shot to death by 3 police officers.
Three plain clothes police came to her home to serve a warrant. Granny got a gun to protect herself...
and the rest is history. The officers were wounded, but will recover. Granny is dead.
you insinuated the officers were at fault. If you truly wanted to be unbiased, then you should have said "a 90 yr old woman was shot to death in her home after she opened fire on police." You neglected to mention that last part. Hmm, I wonder why? You also have a history of sympathizing with anyone who goes against the police (e.g. UCLA incident). I know your kind too well. You may think you are fooling people with your subtle word choices but you aren't fooling me. I noticed when somebody points out that she shouldn't have fired upon the officers, you immediately jump to her defense. You even came up with an excuse why their bullet proof vests with the word "Police" written across the front and back wasn't enough due to her poor vision. However, you conveniently ignore the fact the old lady could see well enough to shoot 3 officers. Grow up. Stop using government officials as a scapegoat for your problems.
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glad to know I'm not the only person who sees through Jaguar's bullshit. :)
You're so fvcking biased.
The old bag starts shooting at the police; the police shoot back and somehow it's the police's fault?
It'll teach her to get so trigger-happy.
Did I assign blame?
It appears you did
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sometimes i DO miss pakistan..if this had happened there..those officers woulda suffered terrible trajedies in the following weeks.. :)
Wait you're from pakistan?? Then what are you doing here?? You must be gay and like to look and muscular men because we all know that people from pakistan don't have proper gentics to get into bodybuilding :-)
and do us all a favor and please go back to pakistan...but can you make sure you hire someone to run your 7-11 when you go
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too bad you contradict what you said in your first post. ;)
you insinuated the officers were at fault. If you truly wanted to be unbiased, then you should have said "a 90 yr old woman was shot to death in her home after she opened fire on police." You neglected to mention that last part. Hmm, I wonder why? You also have a history of sympathizing with anyone who goes against the police (e.g. UCLA incident). I know your kind too well. You may think you are fooling people with your subtle word choices but you aren't fooling me. I noticed when somebody points out that she shouldn't have fired upon the officers, you immediately jump to her defense. You even came up with an excuse why their bullet proof vests with the word "Police" written across the front and back wasn't enough due to her poor vision. However, you conveniently ignore the fact the old lady could see well enough to shoot 3 officers. Grow up. Stop using government officials as a scapegoat for your problems.
I don't have a history of sympathizing with anyone who goes against the police.
Alot of people go against the police on a regular basis and get their asses handed to them, ...and rightfully so.
I will however sympathize with those who have been wronged by the police, as both those individuals were.
Maybe if you stopped idolizing those who are undeserving of your respect, you might see a little clearer.
...and what problems do I have that I would blame government officials for?
ps - The police are NOT government officials you cop groupie. ::)
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That is her house, if anyone barges in she has the right to kill them. WTF when did police become sacred figues, they are trash, break the law more than most people and are immoral most of them. Why do any of you feel for the police? The older women was in the right and it is just a horrible situation, death by firing squad for the 3 dumbasses who broke in.